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| First post | 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000 |
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Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:10 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 21:15 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:21 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-15 22:56 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 19:36 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-16 08:53 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 02:26 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 03:01 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 09:48 -0700
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:54 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 17:49 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 19:33 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:39 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-17 21:01 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 20:13 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 14:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 17:44 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-16 17:01 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 16:58 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 13:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 18:59 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:16 -0400
OT (was: Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 21:20 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 16:42 -0400
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 22:21 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:23 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:24 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:40 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:44 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:51 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 11:20 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 10:24 -0700
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:58 +0100
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 20:51 -0400
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:01 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 02:55 +0000
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-19 18:30 +0000
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-19 22:19 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:41 +0000
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:05 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 17:57 +0000
Re: OT "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 18:59 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:48 +0000
Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 21:23 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:50 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:32 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 22:44 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 03:36 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:05 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 22:12 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:16 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-18 08:39 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:15 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:25 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:44 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:18 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 08:36 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:16 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 18:07 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:40 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 19:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:10 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 00:48 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:26 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 08:55 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:24 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:37 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 20:51 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:04 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 20:53 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-19 22:11 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:58 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 21:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-20 21:06 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 04:32 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 05:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:52 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:08 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 04:11 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:25 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 15:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:30 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 22:52 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-19 05:54 +0200
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:47 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:26 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 20:25 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 23:42 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-16 08:45 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 04:59 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-16 08:09 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 15:13 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 16:14 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-16 20:26 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 11:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 13:45 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 13:01 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-16 20:15 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 14:48 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 10:32 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-08-17 18:13 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:12 -0400
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 02:55 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <nehvthFsn63U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720457 |
On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > Some benefits, perhaps. Still, having a physical DVD means that you can > watch it anywhere, anytime, without needing Internet access and saying > "mother may I" (and possibly paying) every time. > And it isn't going to suddenly vanish on the whim of a marketroid. I don't buy too much music anymore but I preferred DVDs. I do have a changer but I've ripped most of them. It's hard stuffing 100 DVDs into a phone. I have a few video DVDs including a couple in Netflix mailers. At the end they said to not bother returning them. I do miss the feature where I could see which DVDs I'd rented. I'm not good with titles and a couple of times I've been a few minutes into a streaming video before I realized I'd seen it before. At least with Kindle books Amazon has my complete history for better or worse.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 18:30 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <11653nv.12s4.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720423 |
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: > (Should we take this to e-s.talk?) And pollute *that* group!? :-) > On 2026/8/17 20:16:48, Joel W. Crump wrote: [...] > >>> The price I paid for Win11 Pro is for a license to use it, the > >>> price I paid for 365 is for a year of MS letting me use what > >>> I want from their apps and OneDrive, it's a equitable way of > >>> always having the latest software. Buying a boxed copy of > >>> MS Office, OTOH, would lock me in to one arbitrary release. > > Depends whether you _want_ what the later releases give you. Granted, I > haven't really _looked_ into what the later ones give me, but I've yet > to find anything I want to do that my Office 2003 (with the patches for > the x versions so I can exchange with those who use them) can't do. (And > I certainly have no desire for OneDrive.) Each to his or her own, though! Exactly! My software ages quite nicely with time. Some important parts are already well over two decades 'old' and still going strong. Example: The software bringing you this post. > >> Given that software has started deteriorating with each successive > >> release, constant upgrades are looking less and less attractive. > > That certainly is the impression I get. Plus needing constant > replacement of OS in order to use them - OK, "constant" is overstating, > but they only support so far back in OSs. The software I mention above started on XP and moved to Vista, 8.1 and now 11 without a hitch. And to stay on topic, the most important part, this newsreader, could run on all the OSs in the Newsgroups:' header! :-) [...] > >>> What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving? > >>> Do you even realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone? > >> > >> Most of my driving is in areas I've driven for 60 years. > >> If I need to find details of one of the few areas I'm not > >> familiar with, I have a map book in the car (and road maps > >> for longer trips). Or I can look it up on my computer > >> before I leave home. (That's called planning, doncha know.) > > > Plus, a lot of map "apps" - like a lot of other apps - are actually only > a gateway to an online database, i. e. won't work where there's no > signal. (OK, if you know you're going to use them in advance, you can in > many "apps" pre-download the maps for the areas you're going to be in.)> There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, etc.) and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-) [...]
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-19 22:19 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <11656kh$307ud$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #720635 |
On 2026/8/19 19:30:4, Frank Slootweg wrote: > J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >> (Should we take this to e-s.talk?) > > And pollute *that* group!? :-) > >> On 2026/8/17 20:16:48, Joel W. Crump wrote: > [...] >>>>> The price I paid for Win11 Pro is for a license to use it, the >>>>> price I paid for 365 is for a year of MS letting me use what >>>>> I want from their apps and OneDrive, it's a equitable way of >>>>> always having the latest software. Buying a boxed copy of >>>>> MS Office, OTOH, would lock me in to one arbitrary release. >> >> Depends whether you _want_ what the later releases give you. Granted, I >> haven't really _looked_ into what the later ones give me, but I've yet >> to find anything I want to do that my Office 2003 (with the patches for >> the x versions so I can exchange with those who use them) can't do. (And >> I certainly have no desire for OneDrive.) Each to his or her own, though! > > Exactly! My software ages quite nicely with time. Some important parts > are already well over two decades 'old' and still going strong. Example: > The software bringing you this post. I would still be using Turnpike if I hadn't been forced to move to both 64 bit and Windows 10 by another requirement (TP6 operates as a shell extension to the 32-bit shell; I used it through XP to 7-32, and I think before XP).> >>>> Given that software has started deteriorating with each successive >>>> release, constant upgrades are looking less and less attractive. >> >> That certainly is the impression I get. Plus needing constant >> replacement of OS in order to use them - OK, "constant" is overstating, >> but they only support so far back in OSs. > > The software I mention above started on XP and moved to Vista, 8.1 and > now 11 without a hitch. I know from other users that TP works on 10-32 (unfortunately I gather there isn't an 11-32).> > And to stay on topic, the most important part, this newsreader, could > run on all the OSs in the Newsgroups:' header! :-) > > [...] > >>>>> What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving? >>>>> Do you even realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone? >>>> >>>> Most of my driving is in areas I've driven for 60 years. >>>> If I need to find details of one of the few areas I'm not >>>> familiar with, I have a map book in the car (and road maps >>>> for longer trips). Or I can look it up on my computer >>>> before I leave home. (That's called planning, doncha know.) >>> >> Plus, a lot of map "apps" - like a lot of other apps - are actually only >> a gateway to an online database, i. e. won't work where there's no >> signal. (OK, if you know you're going to use them in advance, you can in >> many "apps" pre-download the maps for the areas you're going to be in.)> > > There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and > hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in As I say, even Google maps _can_ download quite a large area in advance. > Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no > signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can > easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, etc.) > and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-) > > [...] I still think a dedicated device is _slightly_ better, though obviously single-use, so not as versatile as a smartphone. Yes, the XGODY SatNav I had came with maps of most of the world in its (IIRR) 8G of memory; since I was actually unlikely to leave the UK or at most Europe, I actually removed some regions (I think Russia, might have been Aus and NZ as well) to make room for more music, since (as, like you, most of my driving was in areas I could drive while asleep) it spent most of its time as an mp3 player (and in theory BlueTooth gateway for a mobile) through the car's FM radio. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Capital flows toward lower costs like a river to lowest ground. "MJ", 2015-12-05
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 15:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1167cqv.t78.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720645 |
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: > On 2026/8/19 19:30:4, Frank Slootweg wrote: > > J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: [...] > >> Plus, a lot of map "apps" - like a lot of other apps - are actually only > >> a gateway to an online database, i. e. won't work where there's no > >> signal. (OK, if you know you're going to use them in advance, you can in > >> many "apps" pre-download the maps for the areas you're going to be in.)> > > > > There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and > > hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in > > As I say, even Google maps _can_ download quite a large area in advance. > > > Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no > > signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can > > easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, etc.) > > and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-) > > > > [...] > > I still think a dedicated device is _slightly_ better, though obviously > single-use, so not as versatile as a smartphone. Yes, the XGODY SatNav I > had came with maps of most of the world in its (IIRR) 8G of memory; > since I was actually unlikely to leave the UK or at most Europe, I > actually removed some regions (I think Russia, might have been Aus and > NZ as well) to make room for more music, since (as, like you, most of my > driving was in areas I could drive while asleep) it spent most of its > time as an mp3 player (and in theory BlueTooth gateway for a mobile) > through the car's FM radio. For use in countries like your and mine, a dedicated device is fine. But for more sparsely populated areas it's nice and often essential to have several different map sources (TomTom, HERE/NAVTEQ, OSM). A dedicated device doesn't offer that flexibility. (N.B. The OSM (OpenStreetMaps) maps often show roads where the vehicles of the commercial map providers don't bother/dare to come.) Case in point: In Queensland (Australia), we encountered a couple with a car and caravan who were about to take a 500km detour, because the road they were on was not on their dedicated device and they didn't dare to continue. We could show them that the road would take them where they wanted to go, saving them some 400km. A long, long time ago, in Australia, I was about to buy my first dedicated navigation device, but hesitated several times. Eventually I bit the bullet and bought my very first 'smartphone', with a whopping '4GB' - actually 1GB 'free', if that 'much' - (non-volatile) storage. Added a MicroSD card for the maps and never looked back. But, as always, YMMV/YMWV.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 17:05 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <11678kd$3kgkp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #720699 |
On 2026/8/20 16:41:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
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> For use in countries like your and mine, a dedicated device is fine.
>
> But for more sparsely populated areas it's nice and often essential to
> have several different map sources (TomTom, HERE/NAVTEQ, OSM). A
> dedicated device doesn't offer that flexibility. (N.B. The OSM
> (OpenStreetMaps) maps often show roads where the vehicles of the
> commercial map providers don't bother/dare to come.)
In this country they do get to soee pretty obscure places - I remember
being at a remote farm in Northumberland and most surprised to see the
Google car there! For many years I used to show people me and my friends
on Google (Rivergreen mill), though you had to pick your angle. But yes,
I take your point.
>
> Case in point: In Queensland (Australia), we encountered a couple with
> a car and caravan who were about to take a 500km detour, because the
> road they were on was not on their dedicated device and they didn't dare
> to continue. We could show them that the road would take them where they
> wanted to go, saving them some 400km.
Probably apocryphal story - someone going to an address in, I think it
was, Alice Springs. The SatNav said turn right (or left), then didn't
say anything for the next 500 miles or whatever. ("And then I missed the
turn ...")
>
> A long, long time ago, in Australia, I was about to buy my first
> dedicated navigation device, but hesitated several times. Eventually I
> bit the bullet and bought my very first 'smartphone', with a whopping
> '4GB' - actually 1GB 'free', if that 'much' - (non-volatile) storage.
> Added a MicroSD card for the maps and never looked back.
>
> But, as always, YMMV/YMWV.
I would imagine smartphones - plus the incorporation of SatNavs into new
cars (are they a standard thing these days? I rarely buy a car - mine's
twenty this half) - has more or less done for standalone devices, except
for people wanting to drive old cars in areas where there's no cellular
coverage, which can't be a very big market, so the price of standalones
has probably rocketed.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
If a cluttered desk is characteristic of a cluttered mind, what does an
empty desk mean ?
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 17:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1167m66.qsk.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720700 |
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
[...]
> Probably apocryphal story - someone going to an address in, I think it
> was, Alice Springs. The SatNav said turn right (or left), then didn't
> say anything for the next 500 miles or whatever. ("And then I missed the
> turn ...")
I have similar story: Driving the A7 Gregory Developmental Road from
Charters Towers to Clermont (Australia). While a bit on the road, the
navigation app shows an upcoming round-about. Nothing special, but it
shows it's still 353km away! I was shaking in my wooden boots from all
the stress. I still have the photo of the tablet's screen [1].
> I would imagine smartphones - plus the incorporation of SatNavs into new
> cars (are they a standard thing these days? I rarely buy a car - mine's
> twenty this half) - has more or less done for standalone devices, except
> for people wanting to drive old cars in areas where there's no cellular
> coverage, which can't be a very big market, so the price of standalones
> has probably rocketed.
My car was 22 years old, so I bought a 'new' one, which is only 17
years old! :-)
But yes, most new cars have built-in navigation systems. An exception
was a rental car in the US. That didn't have a navigation system, but it
had a display, etc., which had Android Auto (and Apple <whatever>)
functionality, so you could use your phone's navigation app and display
it on the big screen. That's actually an advantage, because you use the
stuff you know and 'love', just with a nice big screen.
[1] Note to self: 2019, IMG_4324.JPG.
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| From | "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-20 18:59 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <20260820185915.2d1f89fd4bcfe5d9d9729af5@127.0.0.1> |
| In reply to | #720700 |
On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 17:05:33 +0100
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> On 2026/8/20 16:41:47, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> []
> > For use in countries like your and mine, a dedicated device is fine.
> >
> > But for more sparsely populated areas it's nice and often essential to
> > have several different map sources (TomTom, HERE/NAVTEQ, OSM). A
> > dedicated device doesn't offer that flexibility. (N.B. The OSM
> > (OpenStreetMaps) maps often show roads where the vehicles of the
> > commercial map providers don't bother/dare to come.)
>
> In this country they do get to soee pretty obscure places - I remember
> being at a remote farm in Northumberland and most surprised to see the
> Google car there! For many years I used to show people me and my friends
> on Google (Rivergreen mill), though you had to pick your angle. But yes,
> I take your point.
>
> >
> > Case in point: In Queensland (Australia), we encountered a couple with
> > a car and caravan who were about to take a 500km detour, because the
> > road they were on was not on their dedicated device and they didn't dare
> > to continue. We could show them that the road would take them where they
> > wanted to go, saving them some 400km.
>
> Probably apocryphal story - someone going to an address in, I think it
> was, Alice Springs. The SatNav said turn right (or left), then didn't
> say anything for the next 500 miles or whatever. ("And then I missed the
> turn ...")
>
BT,Didn'tDT - "Take the (Hume?) Highway, after 500km take the third
exit at the roundabout".
> >
> > A long, long time ago, in Australia, I was about to buy my first
> > dedicated navigation device, but hesitated several times. Eventually I
> > bit the bullet and bought my very first 'smartphone', with a whopping
> > '4GB' - actually 1GB 'free', if that 'much' - (non-volatile) storage.
> > Added a MicroSD card for the maps and never looked back.
> >
> > But, as always, YMMV/YMWV.
>
> I would imagine smartphones - plus the incorporation of SatNavs into new
> cars (are they a standard thing these days? I rarely buy a car - mine's
> twenty this half) - has more or less done for standalone devices, except
> for people wanting to drive old cars in areas where there's no cellular
> coverage, which can't be a very big market, so the price of standalones
> has probably rocketed.
> --
> J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
>
> If a cluttered desk is characteristic of a cluttered mind, what does an
> empty desk mean ?
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 18:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1167p5r.12tk.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720712 |
Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 17:05:33 +0100
> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
[...]
> > Probably apocryphal story - someone going to an address in, I think it
> > was, Alice Springs. The SatNav said turn right (or left), then didn't
> > say anything for the next 500 miles or whatever. ("And then I missed the
> > turn ...")
>
> BT,Didn'tDT - "Take the (Hume?) Highway, after 500km take the third
> exit at the roundabout".
If it was about Alice Springs, it probably was the Stuart Highway.
The Hume is in Victoria and New South Wales, i.e. in the east.
Funny that in Oz, you call the highways by their names, not their
numbers.
Apparently the Stuart Highway is the A87 and (from south to north)
becomes the 1 at Daly Waters. Never knew that in all those thirty years.
[...]
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| From | "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-20 21:23 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs |
| Message-ID | <20260820212337.8b673230f8c1e6f92d6a6990@127.0.0.1> |
| In reply to | #720714 |
On 20 Aug 2026 18:48:05 GMT
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 17:05:33 +0100
> > "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> [...]
> > > Probably apocryphal story - someone going to an address in, I think it
> > > was, Alice Springs. The SatNav said turn right (or left), then didn't
> > > say anything for the next 500 miles or whatever. ("And then I missed the
> > > turn ...")
> >
> > BT,Didn'tDT - "Take the (Hume?) Highway, after 500km take the third
> > exit at the roundabout".
>
> If it was about Alice Springs, it probably was the Stuart Highway.
>
> The Hume is in Victoria and New South Wales, i.e. in the east.
Seems I guessed wrong; the road I was on was the A1/Pacific Highway
from a suburb of Sydney going to a barrier reef excursion launch at erm
Yeppoon. (Seems it's no longer a roundabout). First few instructions were
mundane to get onto the A1, maybe a few name changes to out of Sydney
then the infamous n00km to the next junction of interest.
>
> Funny that in Oz, you call the highways by their names, not their
> numbers.
>
> Apparently the Stuart Highway is the A87 and (from south to north)
> becomes the 1 at Daly Waters. Never knew that in all those thirty years.
>
SA Bill Bryson notes there's a Sturt Highway as well, just to keep you
on your toes!
> [...]
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 20:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <nep7kmFpub2U35@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720714 |
On 20 Aug 2026 18:48:05 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Funny that in Oz, you call the highways by their names, not their > numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_trail The US started out that way but had went to route numbers by the '30s. Most are completely forgotten but there are historical markers and visitor centers that keep ones like the Lincoln Highway alive. Even the numbered routes like 'Route 66' are now interstates. The small towns that were bypassed by the interstate often have nostalgic stretches of the old Route 66. Around here US 10 became I-90. There still addresses that refer to US Highway 10 but since there was never a song or TV show there's no nostalgia.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 20:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <nep6ikFpub2U34@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720712 |
On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 18:59:15 +0100, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote: > BT,Didn'tDT - "Take the (Hume?) Highway, after 500km take the third exit > at the roundabout". That's not uncommon here. If I wanted to go to Billings it would be 'Get on I-90 and proceed east for 555 km.' I got tired of it but there was an option in the GPS to change the voice to a sort of Boris Karloff character. On long trip it would make remarks at random intervals like 'I think I hear the person in the trunk moving around.'
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <nep670Fpub2U33@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720700 |
On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 17:05:33 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In this country they do get to soee pretty obscure places - I remember
> being at a remote farm in Northumberland and most surprised to see the
> Google car there! For many years I used to show people me and my friends
> on Google (Rivergreen mill), though you had to pick your angle. But yes,
> I take your point.
The Google car came snooping around the dead end road where I live. The
amusing part was it captured my neighbor out on the porch. His face was
blurred and camera didn't catch his query of 'WTF are you doing?'. It
could have been worse; he could have shot the camera when the car had to
turn around and retrace its path.
> Probably apocryphal story - someone going to an address in, I think it
> was, Alice Springs. The SatNav said turn right (or left), then didn't
> say anything for the next 500 miles or whatever. ("And then I missed the
> turn ...")
When I was going to the Teddy Roosevelt National Park I played along with
the GPs although I was skeptical about heading north from Beach ND rather
than proceeding east on I94. After about 15 miles it said to turn right,
so at least I was headed in the right direction. I thought there might be
an entrance on the north side of the park. The pavement ended and it
turned into a well graded gravel road. No big deal. After about 5 more
miles it suggested I take another right down a jeep trail along a gas
pipeline. My Toyota Yaris is a wiling vehicle but it certainly isn't high
clearance, so I retraced my steps and got on I94.
>> A long, long time ago, in Australia, I was about to buy my first
>> dedicated navigation device, but hesitated several times. Eventually I
>> bit the bullet and bought my very first 'smartphone', with a whopping
>> '4GB' - actually 1GB 'free', if that 'much' - (non-volatile) storage.
>> Added a MicroSD card for the maps and never looked back.
I've been a geocacher since 2002 and have been through several generations
of Garmin handheld receivers. Lately I've been using the phone unless I
plan to be in an area with no cell service. The app shows the caches and
provided a description without having to download the info into the
handheld. After finding the cache I can then log it.
The GPS in my car is a 2014 Garmin Nuvi that doesn't have any connections
other than the GPS signals. I haven't traveled enough lately to both but I
can update the maps using the Garmin Express app. The annoyance is the app
is only available for Windows and Mac.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-20 22:44 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <4rLhS.31564$EDc8.9023@fx24.iad> |
| In reply to | #720721 |
On 2026-08-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > The GPS in my car is a 2014 Garmin Nuvi that doesn't have any connections > other than the GPS signals. I haven't traveled enough lately to both but I > can update the maps using the Garmin Express app. The annoyance is the app > is only available for Windows and Mac. The same applies to their aviation equipment. Usually I just do the update on my wife's Macbook, although if I was really stuck I do have Win7 tucked away on my laptop as a dual boot. (I run XP under VirtualBox but their app won't run on that either.) -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-21 03:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <nepvdbFpub2U46@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720743 |
On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 22:44:16 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > The same applies to their aviation equipment. Usually I just do the > update on my wife's Macbook, although if I was really stuck I do have > Win7 tucked away on my laptop as a dual boot. (I run XP under > VirtualBox but their app won't run on that either.) A few years ago I flew into a back country airstrip in a Maule. I was impressed by the GPS. I had been about 20 years since I'd been in a light plane and the game had changed a bit. It was interesting. It was a Forest Service airstrip although anyone could use it and was close to a river. The Maule was overkill since there were a few 182s with people who flew in to hang out in the woods for the weekend.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 20:05 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <nep4vcFpub2U32@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720699 |
On 20 Aug 2026 15:41:47 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Case in point: In Queensland (Australia), we encountered a couple with > a car and caravan who were about to take a 500km detour, because the > road they were on was not on their dedicated device and they didn't dare > to continue. We could show them that the road would take them where they > wanted to go, saving them some 400km. There have been several tragic episodes in the US for the opposite reason. The GPS showed a shortcut that would require 4WD or wasn't maintained in the winter. I have placed a couple of geocaches that played off my knowing the DeLorme maps many people used didn't reflect reality. One was a bridge that had been pedestrian only since the '80s and had washed out entirely in '96. Another inexplicably showed a road leading up a ridge. There was no evidence there had ever been a road. There was a trail that would challenge a mountain goat in places. The more rural the area the less frequently the map is updated. Much of the work I did involved GIS both to locate the call for service location and to provide routing for the emergency responders. part of the task for a new site was reviewing the GIS data they submitted. Errors included different segments of a street with the same street numbers, completely different streets with the same name, street segments that failed to connect to an intersection and were not routable, and so forth. I did web map applications using the Esri API and the basemaps provided by Esri. Often when the vector data used by the site was overlaid on the basemap streets would not line up. Using OSM basemaps had the same problem, as did satellite imagery. Sometimes when traveling I'll play along with the GPS. Heading north on 93 in Las Vegas feeds you onto interstates but you swing off to the west before going east. The algorithm saw that as inefficient and directed me onto surface streets. Not only were there stop lights and more traffic but it led through parts of North LV where most people prefer not to go.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <HpJhS.11662$VnG4.7499@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #720718 |
On 2026-08-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > Much of the work I did involved GIS both to locate the call for service > location and to provide routing for the emergency responders. part of the > task for a new site was reviewing the GIS data they submitted. Errors > included different segments of a street with the same street numbers, > completely different streets with the same name, street segments that > failed to connect to an intersection and were not routable, and so forth. The street we live on is a one-block segment, terminated by a school at each end. On the other side of one of the schools the street continues for another block. It took a while for Google Maps to get that second segment properly into its database. From time to time I would see a delivery van stopped outside our house with a confused driver trying to figure out why the house numbers didn't match up. I helped more than one such driver on his way. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 22:12 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <nepcf7Fpub2U42@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720722 |
On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 20:26:15 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > The street we live on is a one-block segment, terminated by a school at > each end. On the other side of one of the schools the street continues > for another block. It took a while for Google Maps to get that second > segment properly into its database. From time to time I would see a > delivery van stopped outside our house with a confused driver trying to > figure out why the house numbers didn't match up. I helped more than > one such driver on his way. There are a number of historical reasons including dueling developers but one section of the city is at a 45 degree angle to the general north/south orientation. That resulted in what became the main drag also being misaligned, followed by further chaotic development. That's resulted in several streets with one or more segments that don't connect to each other. Getting from one chunk to the other can be a problem so you really need to know which piece has the address you're looking for, GPSs have improved matters. 25 years ago most addresses were 'geocoded'. Basically you know a segment of Maple St is X feet long and has the ranges from 300 to 399, hopefully even and odd addresses on alternate sides but that's not guaranteed. Which side they're on is also not guaranteed. Anyway, subtract about 5% from each end to account for the intersections, set back from the center line, and divide. Oila, a coordinate usually in a State Plane Coordinate System projection since that's a lot nicer than messing with spherical trig. Worked for years...
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 01:16 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1165h0d$33bfm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #720635 |
On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote: > J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >> (Should we take this to e-s.talk?) > > And pollute *that* group!? :-) > >> On 2026/8/17 20:16:48, Joel W. Crump wrote: > [...] >>>>> The price I paid for Win11 Pro is for a license to use it, the >>>>> price I paid for 365 is for a year of MS letting me use what >>>>> I want from their apps and OneDrive, it's a equitable way of >>>>> always having the latest software. Buying a boxed copy of >>>>> MS Office, OTOH, would lock me in to one arbitrary release. >> >> Depends whether you _want_ what the later releases give you. Granted, I >> haven't really _looked_ into what the later ones give me, but I've yet >> to find anything I want to do that my Office 2003 (with the patches for >> the x versions so I can exchange with those who use them) can't do. (And >> I certainly have no desire for OneDrive.) Each to his or her own, though! > > Exactly! My software ages quite nicely with time. Some important parts > are already well over two decades 'old' and still going strong. Example: > The software bringing you this post. > >>>> Given that software has started deteriorating with each successive >>>> release, constant upgrades are looking less and less attractive. >> >> That certainly is the impression I get. Plus needing constant >> replacement of OS in order to use them - OK, "constant" is overstating, >> but they only support so far back in OSs. > > The software I mention above started on XP and moved to Vista, 8.1 and > now 11 without a hitch. > > And to stay on topic, the most important part, this newsreader, could > run on all the OSs in the Newsgroups:' header! :-) > > [...] > >>>>> What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving? >>>>> Do you even realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone? >>>> >>>> Most of my driving is in areas I've driven for 60 years. >>>> If I need to find details of one of the few areas I'm not >>>> familiar with, I have a map book in the car (and road maps >>>> for longer trips). Or I can look it up on my computer >>>> before I leave home. (That's called planning, doncha know.) >>> >> Plus, a lot of map "apps" - like a lot of other apps - are actually only >> a gateway to an online database, i. e. won't work where there's no >> signal. (OK, if you know you're going to use them in advance, you can in >> many "apps" pre-download the maps for the areas you're going to be in.)> > > There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and > hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in > Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no > signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can > easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, etc.) > and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-) > +1. I use Tomtom GO and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest reports on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does. > [...] -- "Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will let them."
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-17 22:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nehhikFpk4lU37@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #720418 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 15:16:48 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote: > Bill Gates did one initiative to install flushing toilets in people's > houses, that's a big deal, something people in the first world just take > for granted. I'm not sure indoor plumbing is all it's cracked up to be. It does keep the plumbers in business though. https://www.welthungerhilfe.org/hunger-due-to-drought-in-east-africa I think East Africa needs something other than flush toilets. https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-wants-world-to-move-past-flush- toilets-2018-11 Gates drinking recycled piss reminded me of another thirsty person. It seems he doesn't really want flush toilets. That's just as well as third world countries have shit for sewage systems. (bad pun intended) https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/03/radioactive-cleanup-at-idaho- nuclear-site-working/ I may have the wrong person but I think it was Watt that downed a glass of glow-in-the-dark water, smacked his lips, and said 'See, no problem.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_G._Watt
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| From | "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2026-08-18 08:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20260818083956.12aac8fcffc3d63e888e01c1@127.0.0.1> |
| In reply to | #720405 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 13:45:19 -0400 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote: > On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > On 2026-08-17, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> On 8/16/26 13:01, L Thorpe wrote: > >>> On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 17:44:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: [] > >> And then it all went SO BAD ... > >> > >> At some point soon I'm gonna need to buy a > >> half-ass big-screen "phone". HATE 'em. Keep > >> a little FLIP as my mobile now. > > > > I'll give up my flip phone when they pry it from > > my cold dead fingers. It sends and receives calls > > and texts (including pictures). I neither need > > nor want anything more. They're not hard to > > find, either. I got my latest one for $100; > > its $50 predecessor was just too shitty, but > > as with anything else you get what you pay for.. > > > What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving? Do you even > realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone? > > > >> My carrier is > >> not gonna support my great old landline much > >> longer - they've already raised the PRICE > >> insanely, hoping I'll quit. Clue, I'm NOT > >> gonna buy the new crap-phone from THEM - but > >> from another. Pref Android. Samsung phones > >> are gonna be IT. > > > > In our latest account update with the telco, they > > threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar. It sits > > on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my > > attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible. > > > The Pixel doesn't appeal to me, Samsung is the best smartphone maker, > IMO. Fuck Apple. > You might want to take continue this discussion in a mobile phone NG; it's nowt to do with linux, mac,w11,or w10. PS the Samsung Keyboard applet has 5 "privacy notices". FU set to cma -- Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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