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  Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL Windows and Mac, ZERO Linux DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 11:03 -0500
    Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL x86, ZERO ARM Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:57 +0000
      Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL x86, ZERO ARM rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-05 00:31 +0000
        Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL x86, ZERO ARM RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 13:48 +0000
          Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL x86, ZERO ARM rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-05 21:23 +0000
            Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL x86, ZERO ARM RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 10:25 +0000
              Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL x86, ZERO ARM rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-06 18:22 +0000
    Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL Windows and Mac, ZERO Linux Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 20:45 -0500
      Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL Windows and Mac, ZERO Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-06 07:42 -0500
        Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL Windows and Mac, ZERO Linux DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-06 13:46 -0500
      Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL Windows and Mac, ZERO Linux Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-06 10:22 -0500
        Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL Windows and Mac, ZERO Linux Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 10:29 -0500
        Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL Windows and Mac, ZERO Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-06 18:41 +0000

#682788 — Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL Windows and Mac, ZERO Linux

...as it ever was and ever will be.

The word "Linux" is the kiss of death for retail computers.

"Linux" in the specs = automatic rejection by shoppers.

"GNU/Linux" is even worse; it conjures images of idiots dancing around 
shamelessly in public in ugly antelope-head costumes tossing empty boxes 
of Windows into a big trash can.


https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-mini-desktop-pcs/
https://www.techradar.com/best/mini-pcs
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Mini-Computers/zgbs/pc/13896591011
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/gaming-pcs/best-mini-pcs-for-gaming/
https://www.zdnet.com/article/best-mini-pc/


Before you get your panties in a wad:
https://itsfoss.com/linux-based-mini-pc/

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#682838 — Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL x86, ZERO ARM

So when is the year of Windows-on-ARM?

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#682858 — Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL x86, ZERO ARM

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 21:57:24 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> So when is the year of Windows-on-ARM?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIgnHPqp0Dk

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#682940 — Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL x86, ZERO ARM

On 2025-01-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 21:57:24 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> So when is the year of Windows-on-ARM?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIgnHPqp0Dk

I didn't even know that was Judy Collins song. This is the first version of 
the song that I heard...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3O0TP03KIE

A couple decades later than yours. (I found there are a lot of "country" 
songs that are borrowed from the pop world.)

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#683020 — Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL x86, ZERO ARM

On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 13:48:36 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> On 2025-01-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 21:57:24 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> So when is the year of Windows-on-ARM?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIgnHPqp0Dk
> 
> I didn't even know that was Judy Collins song. This is the first version
> of the song that I heard...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4d0R0uI79Y

Ian Tyson wrote it.  He also wrote 'Four Strong Winds'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3m7ckGhnsc

Ian & Sylvia had some popularity in the '60s but covers by other artists 
made a bigger splash. Tyson wrote many other songs that only he recorded. 
He was the real deal, a rodeo cowboy before an accident ended that career 
and he turned to music. After Sylvia split he was a rancher in Alberta, 
still writing but never made it big and didn't do many live performances. 
I saw him in the '90s when he played in a meeting room at UM, not a huge 
venue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DqxWiX0fnE

That's one of his later ones. Dallas was recaptured and served 22 years 
before he was released.  There was no doubt he killed the game wardens but 
they were a long way from home. I've been in the Owyhee and from Boise you 
have to go down through Nevada to get there. In 1981 there were no GPSs so 
in the middle of nowhere the Idaho/Nevada line isn't marked on the 
sagebrush. Besides that there was a general feeling that Pogue needed to 
be shot but Elms was a nice guy. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFzY6xZKrmY

The 'springtime in Alberta' line works for Montana too.

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#683097 — Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL x86, ZERO ARM

On 2025-01-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 13:48:36 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> On 2025-01-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 21:57:24 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> So when is the year of Windows-on-ARM?
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIgnHPqp0Dk
>> 
>> I didn't even know that was Judy Collins song. This is the first version
>> of the song that I heard...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4d0R0uI79Y
>
> Ian Tyson wrote it.  He also wrote 'Four Strong Winds'.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3m7ckGhnsc

So it was originally a country song, that became a pop song and then a 
country again. I like the origina. Never heard of Ian Tyson before. I think 
I'll look up some of his music.

> Ian & Sylvia had some popularity in the '60s but covers by other artists 
> made a bigger splash. Tyson wrote many other songs that only he recorded. 
> He was the real deal, a rodeo cowboy before an accident ended that career 
> and he turned to music. After Sylvia split he was a rancher in Alberta, 
> still writing but never made it big and didn't do many live performances. 
> I saw him in the '90s when he played in a meeting room at UM, not a huge 
> venue.

Sorry to hear about the split.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DqxWiX0fnE
>
> That's one of his later ones. Dallas was recaptured and served 22 years 
> before he was released.  There was no doubt he killed the game wardens but 
> they were a long way from home. I've been in the Owyhee and from Boise you 
> have to go down through Nevada to get there. In 1981 there were no GPSs so 
> in the middle of nowhere the Idaho/Nevada line isn't marked on the 
> sagebrush. Besides that there was a general feeling that Pogue needed to 
> be shot but Elms was a nice guy. 

I was living in Weiser, Idaho at the time. So now I remember it, but it had 
completely slipped my mind. That was a well produced record. It's a shame 
Ian Tyson was better known. (At least not by me.)

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFzY6xZKrmY
>
> The 'springtime in Alberta' line works for Montana too.

The guy had a good voice. My father lived in Langdon, North Dakota for a 
while. They talked about those spring blizzards coming through so hard that 
people froze to death between the barn and the house. It's hard to imagine, 
but it apparently it was true.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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#683143 — Re: Recommended Mini-PCs: ALL x86, ZERO ARM

On Mon, 6 Jan 2025 10:25:52 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:


> So it was originally a country song, that became a pop song and then a
> country again. I like the origina. Never heard of Ian Tyson before. I
> think I'll look up some of his music.

Tyson never was mainstream country. There are quite a few singer-
songwriters that had a song or two that were covered by country artists 
but never made it big time themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTwUpkEK6yk

Jerry Jeff Walker did pretty good with it. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOctHMWoYyc

Nelson and Haggard had a hit with it. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaP8NGML_QE

Emmylou Harris and Don Williams charted with that one. David Allen Coe 
reworked it into 'Would You Lay With Me' but Tanya Tucker's cover is the 
best known. Coe was a little too outlaw for outlaw country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9UhOwfUAMA

Crystal Gale's cover is the best known. I think Kristofferson did it too.

Steve Earle did okay with 'Guitar Town' and 'Copperhead Road' but some of 
his other songs are better known by other artists. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartworn_Highways

Quite a few of the writers hung out together so there was a lot of cross 
pollination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OU4ZhZc5Zw

Waylon doing a Steve Young cover.

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#683062

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

>...as it ever was and ever will be.
>
>The word "Linux" is the kiss of death for retail computers.
>
>"Linux" in the specs = automatic rejection by shoppers.
>
>"GNU/Linux" is even worse; it conjures images of idiots dancing around 
>shamelessly in public in ugly antelope-head costumes tossing empty boxes 
>of Windows into a big trash can.
>
>
>https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-mini-desktop-pcs/
>https://www.techradar.com/best/mini-pcs
>https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Mini-Computers/zgbs/pc/13896591011
>https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/gaming-pcs/best-mini-pcs-for-gaming/
>https://www.zdnet.com/article/best-mini-pc/
>
>
>Before you get your panties in a wad:
>https://itsfoss.com/linux-based-mini-pc/


A lot of Winblows licenses are over- or co-written with Linux, I would
buy 11 Home on an ARM laptop and switch it to Linux.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#683104

Joel wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>
>>...as it ever was and ever will be.
>>
>>The word "Linux" is the kiss of death for retail computers.
>>
>>"Linux" in the specs = automatic rejection by shoppers.
>>
>>"GNU/Linux" is even worse; it conjures images of idiots dancing around 
>>shamelessly in public in ugly antelope-head costumes tossing empty boxes 
>>of Windows into a big trash can.

:-D

What image does "Micro Soft" conjure?  :-D

>> <nsip>
>>
>
> A lot of Winblows licenses are over- or co-written with Linux, I would
> buy 11 Home on an ARM laptop and switch it to Linux.

DFS is a trolling clown. A great source of laffs!

-- 
<jgoerzen> stu: ahh that machine.  Don't you think that something named
           stallman deserves to be an Alpha? :-)
<stu> jgoerzen: no, actually, I'd prolly be more inclined to name a 386
      with 4 megs of ram and a 40 meg hard drive stallman.
<stu> with a big fat case that makes tons of noise and rattles the floor
* Knghtbrd falls to the floor holding his sides laughing
<stu> and..
<stu> double-height hard drive

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#683148

On 1/6/2025 7:42 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Joel wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
> 
>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>
>>> ...as it ever was and ever will be.
>>>
>>> The word "Linux" is the kiss of death for retail computers.
>>>
>>> "Linux" in the specs = automatic rejection by shoppers.
>>>
>>> "GNU/Linux" is even worse; it conjures images of idiots dancing around
>>> shamelessly in public in ugly antelope-head costumes tossing empty boxes
>>> of Windows into a big trash can.
> 
> :-D
> 
> What image does "Micro Soft" conjure?  :-D


Still hiding in a killfile and replying 3rd party... very creepy, 
Creepy.  shitv does it too.

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#683128

On 2025-01-05 20:45, Joel wrote:
> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
> 
>> ...as it ever was and ever will be.
>>
>> The word "Linux" is the kiss of death for retail computers.
>>
>> "Linux" in the specs = automatic rejection by shoppers.
>>
>> "GNU/Linux" is even worse; it conjures images of idiots dancing around
>> shamelessly in public in ugly antelope-head costumes tossing empty boxes
>> of Windows into a big trash can.
>>
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-mini-desktop-pcs/
>> https://www.techradar.com/best/mini-pcs
>> https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Mini-Computers/zgbs/pc/13896591011
>> https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/gaming-pcs/best-mini-pcs-for-gaming/
>> https://www.zdnet.com/article/best-mini-pc/
>>
>>
>> Before you get your panties in a wad:
>> https://itsfoss.com/linux-based-mini-pc/
> 
> 
> A lot of Winblows licenses are over- or co-written with Linux, I would
> buy 11 Home on an ARM laptop and switch it to Linux.

And you would probably have a superior experience. My understanding is 
that if I had an ARM machine, a Linux distribution with full software 
support would already be available to me. With Windows, _some_ 
applications might have been ported over to work natively, whereas most 
would be running in emulation and not allowing me to benefit from ARM's 
features.

-- 
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

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#683131

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:

>> A lot of Winblows licenses are over- or co-written with Linux, I would
>> buy 11 Home on an ARM laptop and switch it to Linux.
>
>And you would probably have a superior experience. My understanding is 
>that if I had an ARM machine, a Linux distribution with full software 
>support would already be available to me. With Windows, _some_ 
>applications might have been ported over to work natively, whereas most 
>would be running in emulation and not allowing me to benefit from ARM's 
>features.


Interesting point.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#683147

On Mon, 6 Jan 2025 10:22:35 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> And you would probably have a superior experience. My understanding is
> that if I had an ARM machine, a Linux distribution with full software
> support would already be available to me. With Windows, _some_
> applications might have been ported over to work natively, whereas most
> would be running in emulation and not allowing me to benefit from ARM's
> features.

It isn't meant to be a full laptop experience but the Raspberry Pi 5 
running the Debian derived Raspberry Pi OS shows what is possible. It has 
Chromium or Firefox for broswers, a modified LXDE DE and move importantly 
for me, VS Code. It has Vim but not Gvim. I think that has to do with the 
Gtk version.  People have put other distros on as well.

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