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  Linux largest investor in global electronics markets 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-05-08 11:39 +0000
    Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets frederick <fakeemail@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 14:16 +0100
      Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-05-08 13:41 +0000
        Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets frederick <fakeemail@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 15:23 +0100
          Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-05-08 16:55 +0000
            Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets frederick <fakeemail@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 19:41 +0100
              Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets August West <august@kororaa.com> - 2016-05-08 19:52 +0100
              Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-05-08 20:30 +0000
              Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-05-09 14:38 +0100
                Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-05-09 18:37 +0000
                  Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-05-10 09:22 +0100
                    Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-05-10 11:06 +0200
                    Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-05-10 13:59 +0000
                      Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-05-12 17:56 +0100
                        Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-05-12 19:15 +0000
                          Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-05-12 12:24 -0700
                            Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-05-12 12:42 -0700
                              Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-05-12 14:30 -0700
                          Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-05-12 12:45 -0700
                            Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-05-12 14:30 -0700
                            Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-05-14 18:52 +0000
    Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets X11 Sucks <xsucks@xxx.org/null> - 2016-05-08 22:26 +0100
      Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-05-09 04:47 -0700
      Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-05-09 18:16 +0000
    Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-09 11:05 -0700
      Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-05-09 18:22 +0000
        Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-09 12:20 -0700
          Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-05-09 12:22 -0700
          Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-05-09 21:35 +0000
            Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-09 16:59 -0700
              Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-05-09 19:38 -0700
    BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 09:38 -0700

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#354122 — Linux largest investor in global electronics markets

Linux largest investor in global electronics markets
----------------------------------------------------

Linux has for a very long time been the largest investor
in the electronics market.

Anything up to trillions of dollars worth of electronics
gadgets run Linux inside.

Linux is the free operating system with source code
available to download to reconfigure and make
any gadget you want and sell and make money.

So typically the 2 billion Android smartphones and
tablets out there has Linux as its core operating
system on top of which runs the Android software.

Take any router, ADSL or DSL modem, it has Linux
inside to make it work. That means every household
that has broadband already has a Linux gadget
protecting it from all the bad things the internet
has right there in the router.

Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux inside.
It needs it for the push buttons and the On Screen Display (OSD)
setting manager.

These Linux systems have been evolving all the time.
Many a flat TV has USB and can now play MP3 tunes,
play mpeg movie files and connect to network to become
smart TVs that can download and play content from
10's of thousands of internet radio stations and internet
TV stations.

All the DVD recorders and players contains Linux.
All the IP cameras contains Linux.
All the printers contains Linux.
All the set top boxes contain Linux.

Almost all the major electronics items sold in the high street
has Linux built inside.

For the retailers, they need to send their product
managers and locate and specify more Linux in
more products. So for example, putting a camera
and internet reporting fridge would add 20 dollars
to a fridge but you can sell it for $1000
and tons of money for the extra features.

If you hire clowns for product managers, you will get
stupid products that is not trending. So you need
to push them and specify half of all fridges must come
with Linux and internet and cameras which can be sold at
a premium. And it will be done by the manufactures
because have free access to Linux and to all these
gadgets to add just for you because you requested it.

With all the major corporations now using Linux
such as IBM, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Cisco, Oracle,
NASDAQ, etc, all the tech jobs are now going Linux.
The aim is to bring Linux to every desktop.
Chromebooks have been explosive in this regards,
with Linux powering the machine on which Chrome runs.
But there are a lot more ways to get Linux desktop
such as deleting windopws and installing Linux on
old machines to learn Linux.
So get some experience when at university learning Linux,
because it will be needed for all the great things that
are out there.

http://www.distrowatch.com
http://www.ubuntu.com
http://www.livecdlist.com

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#354128

On 08/05/16 12:39, 7 wrote:
> Linux largest investor in global electronics markets
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Linux has for a very long time been the largest investor
> in the electronics market.

The Linux foundation isn't really an investor, rather companies use 
Linux within their devices.

>
> Anything up to trillions of dollars worth of electronics
> gadgets run Linux inside.
>
> Linux is the free operating system with source code
> available to download to reconfigure and make
> any gadget you want and sell and make money.

Apart from some of the firmware.

>
> So typically the 2 billion Android smartphones and
> tablets out there has Linux as its core operating
> system on top of which runs the Android software.
>
> Take any router, ADSL or DSL modem, it has Linux
> inside to make it work. That means every household
> that has broadband already has a Linux gadget
> protecting it from all the bad things the internet
> has right there in the router.
>
> Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux inside.
> It needs it for the push buttons and the On Screen Display (OSD)
> setting manager.

False.

>
> These Linux systems have been evolving all the time.
> Many a flat TV has USB and can now play MP3 tunes,
> play mpeg movie files and connect to network to become
> smart TVs that can download and play content from
> 10's of thousands of internet radio stations and internet
> TV stations.
>
> All the DVD recorders and players contains Linux.

False.

> All the IP cameras contains Linux.

False.

> All the printers contains Linux.

False.

> All the set top boxes contain Linux.

False.

>
> Almost all the major electronics items sold in the high street
> has Linux built inside.
>
> For the retailers, they need to send their product
> managers and locate and specify more Linux in
> more products. So for example, putting a camera
> and internet reporting fridge would add 20 dollars
> to a fridge but you can sell it for $1000
> and tons of money for the extra features.
>
> If you hire clowns for product managers, you will get
> stupid products that is not trending. So you need
> to push them and specify half of all fridges must come
> with Linux and internet and cameras which can be sold at
> a premium. And it will be done by the manufactures
> because have free access to Linux and to all these
> gadgets to add just for you because you requested it.
>
> With all the major corporations now using Linux
> such as IBM, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Cisco, Oracle,
> NASDAQ, etc, all the tech jobs are now going Linux.
> The aim is to bring Linux to every desktop.
> Chromebooks have been explosive in this regards,
> with Linux powering the machine on which Chrome runs.
> But there are a lot more ways to get Linux desktop
> such as deleting windopws and installing Linux on
> old machines to learn Linux.
> So get some experience when at university learning Linux,
> because it will be needed for all the great things that
> are out there.
>
> http://www.distrowatch.com
> http://www.ubuntu.com
> http://www.livecdlist.com
>

Whilst I generally agree with the enthusiasm for Linux, you can't go 
about making false statements and expect people to believe them. That, 
IMO, taints Linux and it's community rather than aids it.

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#354130

frederick wrote:

> On 08/05/16 12:39, 7 wrote:
>> Linux largest investor in global electronics markets
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Linux has for a very long time been the largest investor
>> in the electronics market.
> 
> The Linux foundation isn't really an investor, rather companies use
> Linux within their devices.

WTF? Troll!!!!

Linux is an operating system.
You can download it from here: https://www.kernel.org/
Its not a foundation!!


>> Anything up to trillions of dollars worth of electronics
>> gadgets run Linux inside.
>>
>> Linux is the free operating system with source code
>> available to download to reconfigure and make
>> any gadget you want and sell and make money.
> 
> Apart from some of the firmware.

Eh?

Linux is free to download operating system
You can download it from here: https://www.kernel.org/


>> So typically the 2 billion Android smartphones and
>> tablets out there has Linux as its core operating
>> system on top of which runs the Android software.
>>
>> Take any router, ADSL or DSL modem, it has Linux
>> inside to make it work. That means every household
>> that has broadband already has a Linux gadget
>> protecting it from all the bad things the internet
>> has right there in the router.
>>
>> Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux inside.
>> It needs it for the push buttons and the On Screen Display (OSD)
>> setting manager.
> 
> False.

So what does it use to make the OSD work troll?!

Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux built into
its controller with Linux running on it for the OSD.


>> These Linux systems have been evolving all the time.
>> Many a flat TV has USB and can now play MP3 tunes,
>> play mpeg movie files and connect to network to become
>> smart TVs that can download and play content from
>> 10's of thousands of internet radio stations and internet
>> TV stations.
>>
>> All the DVD recorders and players contains Linux.
> 
> False.

Liar. They all have it. Which other OS is used for the mpeg decoder
format conversions, and embedded controller?


>> All the IP cameras contains Linux.
> 
> False.


Liar. They all have it.
The video streams and http servers are Linux.



>> All the printers contains Linux.
> 
> False.

The rendering engines are all Linux.
 
>> All the set top boxes contain Linux.
> 
> False.

The MPEG decoders, and cryptographic engines
are all Linux.


>> Almost all the major electronics items sold in the high street
>> has Linux built inside.
>>
>> For the retailers, they need to send their product
>> managers and locate and specify more Linux in
>> more products. So for example, putting a camera
>> and internet reporting fridge would add 20 dollars
>> to a fridge but you can sell it for $1000
>> and tons of money for the extra features.
>>
>> If you hire clowns for product managers, you will get
>> stupid products that is not trending. So you need
>> to push them and specify half of all fridges must come
>> with Linux and internet and cameras which can be sold at
>> a premium. And it will be done by the manufactures
>> because have free access to Linux and to all these
>> gadgets to add just for you because you requested it.
>>
>> With all the major corporations now using Linux
>> such as IBM, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Cisco, Oracle,
>> NASDAQ, etc, all the tech jobs are now going Linux.
>> The aim is to bring Linux to every desktop.
>> Chromebooks have been explosive in this regards,
>> with Linux powering the machine on which Chrome runs.
>> But there are a lot more ways to get Linux desktop
>> such as deleting windopws and installing Linux on
>> old machines to learn Linux.
>> So get some experience when at university learning Linux,
>> because it will be needed for all the great things that
>> are out there.
>>
>> http://www.distrowatch.com
>> http://www.ubuntu.com
>> http://www.livecdlist.com
>>
> 
> Whilst I generally agree with the enthusiasm for Linux, you can't go
> about making false statements and expect people to believe them. That,
> IMO, taints Linux and it's community rather than aids it.

You really are a total ignoramus beginning with failure to understand
Linux is not a foundation but just source code for building an operating
systems. And that this operating system is critical to all the
software written on top of it such as graphics engines, window managers,
audio and video encoders and decoders, web servers etc.

Nearly everything is done with Linux and if it isn't you merely
have to say what OSen and firmware they are running on.

A long time ago, it was popular to make your own embedded OS
for products.

These days, it is not possible because big items such as mpeg decoders,
window managers, ethernet controllers etc are not something
you can keep redesigning and redeveloping with every new product. You 
instead take it from Linux with all the drivers built in and management
software for all the peripherals such as cameras, storage, USB,
ethernet, video streams etc built into Linux and the chip so that it
all works after configuration files have been set up and the entire
thing recompiled.

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#354131

On 08/05/16 14:41, 7 wrote:
> frederick wrote:
>
>> On 08/05/16 12:39, 7 wrote:
>>> Linux largest investor in global electronics markets
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Linux has for a very long time been the largest investor
>>> in the electronics market.
>>
>> The Linux foundation isn't really an investor, rather companies use
>> Linux within their devices.
>
> WTF? Troll!!!!
>
> Linux is an operating system.
> You can download it from here: https://www.kernel.org/
> Its not a foundation!!
>

You've never heard of the Linux Foundation?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation

Linux is in-fact a kernel, and Linux has never "invested" in anything.

>
>>> Anything up to trillions of dollars worth of electronics
>>> gadgets run Linux inside.
>>>
>>> Linux is the free operating system with source code
>>> available to download to reconfigure and make
>>> any gadget you want and sell and make money.
>>
>> Apart from some of the firmware.
>
> Eh?
>
> Linux is free to download operating system
> You can download it from here: https://www.kernel.org/
>

It's free to download, but not all the firmware in vanilla Linux has 
"source code available to download" [1].

[1] 
http://www.fsfla.org/svn/fsfla/software/linux-libre/releases/branches/4.5/deblob-check

>
>>> So typically the 2 billion Android smartphones and
>>> tablets out there has Linux as its core operating
>>> system on top of which runs the Android software.
>>>
>>> Take any router, ADSL or DSL modem, it has Linux
>>> inside to make it work. That means every household
>>> that has broadband already has a Linux gadget
>>> protecting it from all the bad things the internet
>>> has right there in the router.
>>>
>>> Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux inside.
>>> It needs it for the push buttons and the On Screen Display (OSD)
>>> setting manager.
>>
>> False.
>
> So what does it use to make the OSD work troll?!
>
> Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux built into
> its controller with Linux running on it for the OSD.

It probably uses something like µITRON, or runs bare metal.

Linux would be somewhat overkill to run a flat-screen monitor.

>
>
>>> These Linux systems have been evolving all the time.
>>> Many a flat TV has USB and can now play MP3 tunes,
>>> play mpeg movie files and connect to network to become
>>> smart TVs that can download and play content from
>>> 10's of thousands of internet radio stations and internet
>>> TV stations.
>>>
>>> All the DVD recorders and players contains Linux.
>>
>> False.
>
> Liar. They all have it. Which other OS is used for the mpeg decoder
> format conversions, and embedded controller?

It may have a DSP chip or be running something else.

>
>
>>> All the IP cameras contains Linux.
>>
>> False.
>
>
> Liar. They all have it.
> The video streams and http servers are Linux.

Granted, most probably do use some form of Linux, but not all.

>
>
>
>>> All the printers contains Linux.
>>
>> False.
>
> The rendering engines are all Linux.
>
>>> All the set top boxes contain Linux.
>>
>> False.
>
> The MPEG decoders, and cryptographic engines
> are all Linux.

That's wrong. Linux is just a kernel. Furthermore, if we're talking 
about the entire operating system there are MPEG decoders and 
cryptographic engines that don't use Linux.

Nero Digital, QuickTime, DivX Pro Codec, 3ivx are examples of MPEG 
decoders that are proprietary (evil) and don't have to run on Linux.

>
>
>>> Almost all the major electronics items sold in the high street
>>> has Linux built inside.
>>>
>>> For the retailers, they need to send their product
>>> managers and locate and specify more Linux in
>>> more products. So for example, putting a camera
>>> and internet reporting fridge would add 20 dollars
>>> to a fridge but you can sell it for $1000
>>> and tons of money for the extra features.
>>>
>>> If you hire clowns for product managers, you will get
>>> stupid products that is not trending. So you need
>>> to push them and specify half of all fridges must come
>>> with Linux and internet and cameras which can be sold at
>>> a premium. And it will be done by the manufactures
>>> because have free access to Linux and to all these
>>> gadgets to add just for you because you requested it.
>>>
>>> With all the major corporations now using Linux
>>> such as IBM, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Cisco, Oracle,
>>> NASDAQ, etc, all the tech jobs are now going Linux.
>>> The aim is to bring Linux to every desktop.
>>> Chromebooks have been explosive in this regards,
>>> with Linux powering the machine on which Chrome runs.
>>> But there are a lot more ways to get Linux desktop
>>> such as deleting windopws and installing Linux on
>>> old machines to learn Linux.
>>> So get some experience when at university learning Linux,
>>> because it will be needed for all the great things that
>>> are out there.
>>>
>>> http://www.distrowatch.com
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com
>>> http://www.livecdlist.com
>>>
>>
>> Whilst I generally agree with the enthusiasm for Linux, you can't go
>> about making false statements and expect people to believe them. That,
>> IMO, taints Linux and it's community rather than aids it.
>
> You really are a total ignoramus beginning with failure to understand
> Linux is not a foundation but just source code for building an operating
> systems. And that this operating system is critical to all the
> software written on top of it such as graphics engines, window managers,
> audio and video encoders and decoders, web servers etc.
>
> Nearly everything is done with Linux and if it isn't you merely
> have to say what OSen and firmware they are running on.
>
> A long time ago, it was popular to make your own embedded OS
> for products.
>
> These days, it is not possible because big items such as mpeg decoders,
> window managers, ethernet controllers etc are not something
> you can keep redesigning and redeveloping with every new product. You
> instead take it from Linux with all the drivers built in and management
> software for all the peripherals such as cameras, storage, USB,
> ethernet, video streams etc built into Linux and the chip so that it
> all works after configuration files have been set up and the entire
> thing recompiled.
>
>

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#354145

frederick wrote:

> On 08/05/16 14:41, 7 wrote:
>> frederick wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/05/16 12:39, 7 wrote:
>>>> Linux largest investor in global electronics markets
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Linux has for a very long time been the largest investor
>>>> in the electronics market.
>>>
>>> The Linux foundation isn't really an investor, rather companies use
>>> Linux within their devices.
>>
>> WTF? Troll!!!!
>>
>> Linux is an operating system.
>> You can download it from here: https://www.kernel.org/
>> Its not a foundation!!
>>
> 
> You've never heard of the Linux Foundation?
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation
> 
> Linux is in-fact a kernel, and Linux has never "invested" in anything.


Troll!!! 

This is you and your sideways interpretations and
your speed trolling.

The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.

When Linux invests its time in CPUs, products and gadgets,
it means all the developers who make Linux have invested
their time and code to make Linux work better onto
those numerous devices.

Linux has invested heavily in ARM processors for example
which results in several billion Linux computing
devices in the market today.

The Linux foundation has nothing directly to do with this.
They started long AFTER Linux had been around.



>>>> Anything up to trillions of dollars worth of electronics
>>>> gadgets run Linux inside.
>>>>
>>>> Linux is the free operating system with source code
>>>> available to download to reconfigure and make
>>>> any gadget you want and sell and make money.
>>>
>>> Apart from some of the firmware.
>>
>> Eh?
>>
>> Linux is free to download operating system
>> You can download it from here: https://www.kernel.org/
>>
> 
> It's free to download, but not all the firmware in vanilla Linux has
> "source code available to download" [1].
> 
> [1]
> http://www.fsfla.org/svn/fsfla/software/linux-libre/releases/branches/4.5/deblob-check


The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
This doesn't represent anything of significance.


>>>> So typically the 2 billion Android smartphones and
>>>> tablets out there has Linux as its core operating
>>>> system on top of which runs the Android software.
>>>>
>>>> Take any router, ADSL or DSL modem, it has Linux
>>>> inside to make it work. That means every household
>>>> that has broadband already has a Linux gadget
>>>> protecting it from all the bad things the internet
>>>> has right there in the router.
>>>>
>>>> Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux inside.
>>>> It needs it for the push buttons and the On Screen Display (OSD)
>>>> setting manager.
>>>
>>> False.
>>
>> So what does it use to make the OSD work troll?!
>>
>> Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux built into
>> its controller with Linux running on it for the OSD.
> 
> It probably uses something like µITRON, or runs bare metal.
> 
> Linux would be somewhat overkill to run a flat-screen monitor.

The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.

No such thing as "probably bare metal".
Things like µITRON have long ago faded - and you probably have to 
pay good money to get it while Linux is free.

The Linux chips are about $2 to $5, RAM $1, and run
all the graphical stuff, window management and fonts.

It would be your job to collect all the relevant
datasheets and libraries to make the Linux OSD
before releasing a TV, and then make it work
better than competing OSD.

>>>> These Linux systems have been evolving all the time.
>>>> Many a flat TV has USB and can now play MP3 tunes,
>>>> play mpeg movie files and connect to network to become
>>>> smart TVs that can download and play content from
>>>> 10's of thousands of internet radio stations and internet
>>>> TV stations.
>>>>
>>>> All the DVD recorders and players contains Linux.
>>>
>>> False.
>>
>> Liar. They all have it. Which other OS is used for the mpeg decoder
>> format conversions, and embedded controller?
> 
> It may have a DSP chip or be running something else.

TROLL!!!!

It doesn't!! No such thing these days!! :)

The DSP is now all silicon IP and tied together
with Linux and an ARM or MIPS processor to make the
product. The products need to do video, sound, display,
touch screen, internet, USB, infra-red, and many other functions all of 
which are available as IP for silicon along with code
for Linux CPUs such as ARM. These kinds of SoCs cost around $5.
And they all run Linux.


>>>> All the IP cameras contains Linux.
>>>
>>> False.
>>
>>
>> Liar. They all have it.
>> The video streams and http servers are Linux.
> 
> Granted, most probably do use some form of Linux, but not all.

The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.

It would be your education that would tell you
which is out there and which are not.

For most things you can download all the necessary
things to make your own IP cameras.
Example is cubieboard.


>>>> All the printers contains Linux.
>>>
>>> False.
>>
>> The rendering engines are all Linux.
>>
>>>> All the set top boxes contain Linux.
>>>
>>> False.
>>
>> The MPEG decoders, and cryptographic engines
>> are all Linux.
> 
> That's wrong. Linux is just a kernel. Furthermore, if we're talking
> about the entire operating system there are MPEG decoders and
> cryptographic engines that don't use Linux.
> 
> Nero Digital, QuickTime, DivX Pro Codec, 3ivx are examples of MPEG
> decoders that are proprietary (evil) and don't have to run on Linux.

You are confused between PC formats, hardware decoders,
software encoders and decoders, open source and closed sources.
All closed sources version of Nero, quicktime, divx, etc will
run on Linux. You just compile it for fsck sake to make product!!! You buy 
it from closed sources companies.

If you have the sources, you compile and run anything in Linux.
So it will run on Linux. There are also open sourced
version of closed sources divx for example. It can
be freely used anywhere where the divx patent has not
been filed.


>>>> Almost all the major electronics items sold in the high street
>>>> has Linux built inside.
>>>>
>>>> For the retailers, they need to send their product
>>>> managers and locate and specify more Linux in
>>>> more products. So for example, putting a camera
>>>> and internet reporting fridge would add 20 dollars
>>>> to a fridge but you can sell it for $1000
>>>> and tons of money for the extra features.
>>>>
>>>> If you hire clowns for product managers, you will get
>>>> stupid products that is not trending. So you need
>>>> to push them and specify half of all fridges must come
>>>> with Linux and internet and cameras which can be sold at
>>>> a premium. And it will be done by the manufactures
>>>> because have free access to Linux and to all these
>>>> gadgets to add just for you because you requested it.
>>>>
>>>> With all the major corporations now using Linux
>>>> such as IBM, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Cisco, Oracle,
>>>> NASDAQ, etc, all the tech jobs are now going Linux.
>>>> The aim is to bring Linux to every desktop.
>>>> Chromebooks have been explosive in this regards,
>>>> with Linux powering the machine on which Chrome runs.
>>>> But there are a lot more ways to get Linux desktop
>>>> such as deleting windopws and installing Linux on
>>>> old machines to learn Linux.
>>>> So get some experience when at university learning Linux,
>>>> because it will be needed for all the great things that
>>>> are out there.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.distrowatch.com
>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com
>>>> http://www.livecdlist.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> Whilst I generally agree with the enthusiasm for Linux, you can't go
>>> about making false statements and expect people to believe them. That,
>>> IMO, taints Linux and it's community rather than aids it.
>>
>> You really are a total ignoramus beginning with failure to understand
>> Linux is not a foundation but just source code for building an operating
>> systems. And that this operating system is critical to all the
>> software written on top of it such as graphics engines, window managers,
>> audio and video encoders and decoders, web servers etc.
>>
>> Nearly everything is done with Linux and if it isn't you merely
>> have to say what OSen and firmware they are running on.
>>
>> A long time ago, it was popular to make your own embedded OS
>> for products.
>>
>> These days, it is not possible because big items such as mpeg decoders,
>> window managers, ethernet controllers etc are not something
>> you can keep redesigning and redeveloping with every new product. You
>> instead take it from Linux with all the drivers built in and management
>> software for all the peripherals such as cameras, storage, USB,
>> ethernet, video streams etc built into Linux and the chip so that it
>> all works after configuration files have been set up and the entire
>> thing recompiled.
>>
>>

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#354205

On 08/05/16 17:55, 7 wrote:
> frederick wrote:
>
>> On 08/05/16 14:41, 7 wrote:
>>> frederick wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/05/16 12:39, 7 wrote:
>>>>> Linux largest investor in global electronics markets
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux has for a very long time been the largest investor
>>>>> in the electronics market.
>>>>
>>>> The Linux foundation isn't really an investor, rather companies use
>>>> Linux within their devices.
>>>
>>> WTF? Troll!!!!
>>>
>>> Linux is an operating system.
>>> You can download it from here: https://www.kernel.org/
>>> Its not a foundation!!
>>>
>>
>> You've never heard of the Linux Foundation?
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation
>>
>> Linux is in-fact a kernel, and Linux has never "invested" in anything.
>
>
> Troll!!!
>
> This is you and your sideways interpretations and
> your speed trolling.
>
> The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
>
> When Linux invests its time in CPUs, products and gadgets,
> it means all the developers who make Linux have invested
> their time and code to make Linux work better onto
> those numerous devices.
>
> Linux has invested heavily in ARM processors for example
> which results in several billion Linux computing
> devices in the market today.
>
> The Linux foundation has nothing directly to do with this.
> They started long AFTER Linux had been around.
>

So when you say things like: "Linux has for a very long time been the 
largest investor in the electronics market." What you really mean is the 
largest investor of time?

>
>
>>>>> Anything up to trillions of dollars worth of electronics
>>>>> gadgets run Linux inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux is the free operating system with source code
>>>>> available to download to reconfigure and make
>>>>> any gadget you want and sell and make money.
>>>>
>>>> Apart from some of the firmware.
>>>
>>> Eh?
>>>
>>> Linux is free to download operating system
>>> You can download it from here: https://www.kernel.org/
>>>
>>
>> It's free to download, but not all the firmware in vanilla Linux has
>> "source code available to download" [1].
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.fsfla.org/svn/fsfla/software/linux-libre/releases/branches/4.5/deblob-check
>
>
> The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
> This doesn't represent anything of significance.
>

It represents that there is firmware in the Linux kernel for which there 
is no source code.

>
>>>>> So typically the 2 billion Android smartphones and
>>>>> tablets out there has Linux as its core operating
>>>>> system on top of which runs the Android software.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take any router, ADSL or DSL modem, it has Linux
>>>>> inside to make it work. That means every household
>>>>> that has broadband already has a Linux gadget
>>>>> protecting it from all the bad things the internet
>>>>> has right there in the router.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux inside.
>>>>> It needs it for the push buttons and the On Screen Display (OSD)
>>>>> setting manager.
>>>>
>>>> False.
>>>
>>> So what does it use to make the OSD work troll?!
>>>
>>> Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux built into
>>> its controller with Linux running on it for the OSD.
>>
>> It probably uses something like µITRON, or runs bare metal.
>>
>> Linux would be somewhat overkill to run a flat-screen monitor.
>
> The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
>
> No such thing as "probably bare metal".
> Things like µITRON have long ago faded - and you probably have to
> pay good money to get it while Linux is free.

µITRON is still very much alive, and is in more devices than Linux. 
There are free versions of µITRON.

>
> The Linux chips are about $2 to $5, RAM $1, and run
> all the graphical stuff, window management and fonts.
>
> It would be your job to collect all the relevant
> datasheets and libraries to make the Linux OSD
> before releasing a TV, and then make it work
> better than competing OSD.
>
>>>>> These Linux systems have been evolving all the time.
>>>>> Many a flat TV has USB and can now play MP3 tunes,
>>>>> play mpeg movie files and connect to network to become
>>>>> smart TVs that can download and play content from
>>>>> 10's of thousands of internet radio stations and internet
>>>>> TV stations.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the DVD recorders and players contains Linux.
>>>>
>>>> False.
>>>
>>> Liar. They all have it. Which other OS is used for the mpeg decoder
>>> format conversions, and embedded controller?
>>
>> It may have a DSP chip or be running something else.
>
> TROLL!!!!
>
> It doesn't!! No such thing these days!! :)

There are such things. Texas instruments makes them, Blackfin makes 
them. Many people make them.

>
> The DSP is now all silicon IP and tied together
> with Linux and an ARM or MIPS processor to make the
> product. The products need to do video, sound, display,
> touch screen, internet, USB, infra-red, and many other functions all of
> which are available as IP for silicon along with code
> for Linux CPUs such as ARM. These kinds of SoCs cost around $5.
> And they all run Linux.

They do not "all run Linux". DVD firmware is often distributed as a hex 
file, or bin file, which suggests to me that they don't run Linux.

>
>
>>>>> All the IP cameras contains Linux.
>>>>
>>>> False.
>>>
>>>
>>> Liar. They all have it.
>>> The video streams and http servers are Linux.
>>
>> Granted, most probably do use some form of Linux, but not all.
>
> The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
>
> It would be your education that would tell you
> which is out there and which are not.
>
> For most things you can download all the necessary
> things to make your own IP cameras.
> Example is cubieboard.
>

And? The people manufacturing the IP cameras may have decided to do 
things differently.

>
>>>>> All the printers contains Linux.
>>>>
>>>> False.
>>>
>>> The rendering engines are all Linux.
>>>
>>>>> All the set top boxes contain Linux.
>>>>
>>>> False.
>>>
>>> The MPEG decoders, and cryptographic engines
>>> are all Linux.
>>
>> That's wrong. Linux is just a kernel. Furthermore, if we're talking
>> about the entire operating system there are MPEG decoders and
>> cryptographic engines that don't use Linux.
>>
>> Nero Digital, QuickTime, DivX Pro Codec, 3ivx are examples of MPEG
>> decoders that are proprietary (evil) and don't have to run on Linux.
>
> You are confused between PC formats, hardware decoders,
> software encoders and decoders, open source and closed sources.

You mentioned MPEG decoders.

> All closed sources version of Nero, quicktime, divx, etc will
> run on Linux. You just compile it for fsck sake to make product!!! You buy
> it from closed sources companies.

They may run on Linux, but that does not mean they are "all Linux". How 
can you trust a proprietary program to do what it says it will do and 
only that?

>
> If you have the sources, you compile and run anything in Linux.
> So it will run on Linux. There are also open sourced
> version of closed sources divx for example. It can
> be freely used anywhere where the divx patent has not
> been filed.

Irrelevant.

>
>
>>>>> Almost all the major electronics items sold in the high street
>>>>> has Linux built inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the retailers, they need to send their product
>>>>> managers and locate and specify more Linux in
>>>>> more products. So for example, putting a camera
>>>>> and internet reporting fridge would add 20 dollars
>>>>> to a fridge but you can sell it for $1000
>>>>> and tons of money for the extra features.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you hire clowns for product managers, you will get
>>>>> stupid products that is not trending. So you need
>>>>> to push them and specify half of all fridges must come
>>>>> with Linux and internet and cameras which can be sold at
>>>>> a premium. And it will be done by the manufactures
>>>>> because have free access to Linux and to all these
>>>>> gadgets to add just for you because you requested it.
>>>>>
>>>>> With all the major corporations now using Linux
>>>>> such as IBM, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Cisco, Oracle,
>>>>> NASDAQ, etc, all the tech jobs are now going Linux.
>>>>> The aim is to bring Linux to every desktop.
>>>>> Chromebooks have been explosive in this regards,
>>>>> with Linux powering the machine on which Chrome runs.
>>>>> But there are a lot more ways to get Linux desktop
>>>>> such as deleting windopws and installing Linux on
>>>>> old machines to learn Linux.
>>>>> So get some experience when at university learning Linux,
>>>>> because it will be needed for all the great things that
>>>>> are out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.distrowatch.com
>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com
>>>>> http://www.livecdlist.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Whilst I generally agree with the enthusiasm for Linux, you can't go
>>>> about making false statements and expect people to believe them. That,
>>>> IMO, taints Linux and it's community rather than aids it.
>>>
>>> You really are a total ignoramus beginning with failure to understand
>>> Linux is not a foundation but just source code for building an operating
>>> systems. And that this operating system is critical to all the
>>> software written on top of it such as graphics engines, window managers,
>>> audio and video encoders and decoders, web servers etc.
>>>
>>> Nearly everything is done with Linux and if it isn't you merely
>>> have to say what OSen and firmware they are running on.
>>>
>>> A long time ago, it was popular to make your own embedded OS
>>> for products.
>>>
>>> These days, it is not possible because big items such as mpeg decoders,
>>> window managers, ethernet controllers etc are not something
>>> you can keep redesigning and redeveloping with every new product. You
>>> instead take it from Linux with all the drivers built in and management
>>> software for all the peripherals such as cameras, storage, USB,
>>> ethernet, video streams etc built into Linux and the chip so that it
>>> all works after configuration files have been set up and the entire
>>> thing recompiled.
>>>
>>>
>

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#354207

The entity calling itself frederick wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It may have a DSP chip or be running something else.
>>
>> TROLL!!!!
>>
>> It doesn't!! No such thing these days!! :)
>
> There are such things. Texas instruments makes them, Blackfin makes
> them. Many people make them.

The Blackfin is made by Analog Devices, who aso make the SHARC DSP.
They can both run Linux...

-- 
my sweetheart's on the barricade

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#354209

frederick wrote:

> On 08/05/16 17:55, 7 wrote:
>> frederick wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/05/16 14:41, 7 wrote:
>>>> frederick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 08/05/16 12:39, 7 wrote:
>>>>>> Linux largest investor in global electronics markets
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux has for a very long time been the largest investor
>>>>>> in the electronics market.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Linux foundation isn't really an investor, rather companies use
>>>>> Linux within their devices.
>>>>
>>>> WTF? Troll!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Linux is an operating system.
>>>> You can download it from here: https://www.kernel.org/
>>>> Its not a foundation!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> You've never heard of the Linux Foundation?
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation
>>>
>>> Linux is in-fact a kernel, and Linux has never "invested" in anything.
>>
>>
>> Troll!!!
>>
>> This is you and your sideways interpretations and
>> your speed trolling.
>>
>> The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
>>
>> When Linux invests its time in CPUs, products and gadgets,
>> it means all the developers who make Linux have invested
>> their time and code to make Linux work better onto
>> those numerous devices.
>>
>> Linux has invested heavily in ARM processors for example
>> which results in several billion Linux computing
>> devices in the market today.
>>
>> The Linux foundation has nothing directly to do with this.
>> They started long AFTER Linux had been around.
>>
> 
> So when you say things like: "Linux has for a very long time been the
> largest investor in the electronics market." What you really mean is the
> largest investor of time?


Clearly you are clueless are you not as to what Linux is now?

Anyone who downloads owns that Linux and can invest time
and money to make products. And if they want support,
the contribute drivers and updates back to the Linux kernel maintainers.
There are also vested interests that pay developers to
maintain drivers. Most products have a driver man.
So you bring out a new USB webcam, you can mail the right guy
with the numbers and it will magically work on all the billions
of PCs and gadgets that have update facilities.


>>>>>> Anything up to trillions of dollars worth of electronics
>>>>>> gadgets run Linux inside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux is the free operating system with source code
>>>>>> available to download to reconfigure and make
>>>>>> any gadget you want and sell and make money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apart from some of the firmware.
>>>>
>>>> Eh?
>>>>
>>>> Linux is free to download operating system
>>>> You can download it from here: https://www.kernel.org/
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's free to download, but not all the firmware in vanilla Linux has
>>> "source code available to download" [1].
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://www.fsfla.org/svn/fsfla/software/linux-libre/releases/branches/4.5/deblob-check
>>
>>
>> The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
>> This doesn't represent anything of significance.
>>
> 
> It represents that there is firmware in the Linux kernel for which there
> is no source code.

The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
This doesn't represent anything of significance such
as show stopping functionality that anyone cares about.

More than likely the companies that are submitting this
kind of crap wants the attention or to ride on the coat
tails of Linux because they want their product
to work across the billions of devices out there.


>>>>>> So typically the 2 billion Android smartphones and
>>>>>> tablets out there has Linux as its core operating
>>>>>> system on top of which runs the Android software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take any router, ADSL or DSL modem, it has Linux
>>>>>> inside to make it work. That means every household
>>>>>> that has broadband already has a Linux gadget
>>>>>> protecting it from all the bad things the internet
>>>>>> has right there in the router.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux inside.
>>>>>> It needs it for the push buttons and the On Screen Display (OSD)
>>>>>> setting manager.
>>>>>
>>>>> False.
>>>>
>>>> So what does it use to make the OSD work troll?!
>>>>
>>>> Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux built into
>>>> its controller with Linux running on it for the OSD.
>>>
>>> It probably uses something like µITRON, or runs bare metal.
>>>
>>> Linux would be somewhat overkill to run a flat-screen monitor.
>>
>> The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
>>
>> No such thing as "probably bare metal".
>> Things like µITRON have long ago faded - and you probably have to
>> pay good money to get it while Linux is free.
> 
> µITRON is still very much alive, and is in more devices than Linux.
> There are free versions of µITRON.

You are confused between devices that need an OS and embedded
that may need an RTOS.
uITRON is not something you would build a decent OS with.
So its faded in the sense its not important for gadgets
that need an OS like a smartphone or an IoT device with
ethernet, wifi stack and so on.


>> The Linux chips are about $2 to $5, RAM $1, and run
>> all the graphical stuff, window management and fonts.
>>
>> It would be your job to collect all the relevant
>> datasheets and libraries to make the Linux OSD
>> before releasing a TV, and then make it work
>> better than competing OSD.
>>
>>>>>> These Linux systems have been evolving all the time.
>>>>>> Many a flat TV has USB and can now play MP3 tunes,
>>>>>> play mpeg movie files and connect to network to become
>>>>>> smart TVs that can download and play content from
>>>>>> 10's of thousands of internet radio stations and internet
>>>>>> TV stations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the DVD recorders and players contains Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> False.
>>>>
>>>> Liar. They all have it. Which other OS is used for the mpeg decoder
>>>> format conversions, and embedded controller?
>>>
>>> It may have a DSP chip or be running something else.
>>
>> TROLL!!!!
>>
>> It doesn't!! No such thing these days!! :)
> 
> There are such things. Texas instruments makes them, Blackfin makes
> them. Many people make them.

Custom DSP chips? 
Not any more they don't.


>> The DSP is now all silicon IP and tied together
>> with Linux and an ARM or MIPS processor to make the
>> product. The products need to do video, sound, display,
>> touch screen, internet, USB, infra-red, and many other functions all of
>> which are available as IP for silicon along with code
>> for Linux CPUs such as ARM. These kinds of SoCs cost around $5.
>> And they all run Linux.
> 
> They do not "all run Linux". DVD firmware is often distributed as a hex
> file, or bin file, which suggests to me that they don't run Linux.

Doh!

What do you think is in that hex file?
it can be uCLinux, but more likely an app that Linux will then run.


>>>>>> All the IP cameras contains Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> False.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Liar. They all have it.
>>>> The video streams and http servers are Linux.
>>>
>>> Granted, most probably do use some form of Linux, but not all.
>>
>> The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
>>
>> It would be your education that would tell you
>> which is out there and which are not.
>>
>> For most things you can download all the necessary
>> things to make your own IP cameras.
>> Example is cubieboard.
>>
> 
> And? The people manufacturing the IP cameras may have decided to do
> things differently.

They run a minimalist uCLinux on a minimalist ARM with IP for DSP.
Standard procedure.

>>>>>> All the printers contains Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> False.

>>>> The rendering engines are all Linux.
>>>>
>>>>>> All the set top boxes contain Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> False.
>>>>
>>>> The MPEG decoders, and cryptographic engines
>>>> are all Linux.
>>>
>>> That's wrong. Linux is just a kernel. Furthermore, if we're talking
>>> about the entire operating system there are MPEG decoders and
>>> cryptographic engines that don't use Linux.
>>>
>>> Nero Digital, QuickTime, DivX Pro Codec, 3ivx are examples of MPEG
>>> decoders that are proprietary (evil) and don't have to run on Linux.
>>
>> You are confused between PC formats, hardware decoders,
>> software encoders and decoders, open source and closed sources.
> 
> You mentioned MPEG decoders.
> 
>> All closed sources version of Nero, quicktime, divx, etc will
>> run on Linux. You just compile it for fsck sake to make product!!! You
>> buy it from closed sources companies.
> 
> They may run on Linux, but that does not mean they are "all Linux". How
> can you trust a proprietary program to do what it says it will do and
> only that?


Don't use it if you don't trust it.
Or pay the owner of the software if you must use it.
He will sell you a binary blob and an API.
Just like all commercial vendors of software - Linux or proprietary.
None should require root permissions if done properly.


>> If you have the sources, you compile and run anything in Linux.
>> So it will run on Linux. There are also open sourced
>> version of closed sources divx for example. It can
>> be freely used anywhere where the divx patent has not
>> been filed.
> 
> Irrelevant.
> 
>>
>>
>>>>>> Almost all the major electronics items sold in the high street
>>>>>> has Linux built inside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the retailers, they need to send their product
>>>>>> managers and locate and specify more Linux in
>>>>>> more products. So for example, putting a camera
>>>>>> and internet reporting fridge would add 20 dollars
>>>>>> to a fridge but you can sell it for $1000
>>>>>> and tons of money for the extra features.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you hire clowns for product managers, you will get
>>>>>> stupid products that is not trending. So you need
>>>>>> to push them and specify half of all fridges must come
>>>>>> with Linux and internet and cameras which can be sold at
>>>>>> a premium. And it will be done by the manufactures
>>>>>> because have free access to Linux and to all these
>>>>>> gadgets to add just for you because you requested it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With all the major corporations now using Linux
>>>>>> such as IBM, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Cisco, Oracle,
>>>>>> NASDAQ, etc, all the tech jobs are now going Linux.
>>>>>> The aim is to bring Linux to every desktop.
>>>>>> Chromebooks have been explosive in this regards,
>>>>>> with Linux powering the machine on which Chrome runs.
>>>>>> But there are a lot more ways to get Linux desktop
>>>>>> such as deleting windopws and installing Linux on
>>>>>> old machines to learn Linux.
>>>>>> So get some experience when at university learning Linux,
>>>>>> because it will be needed for all the great things that
>>>>>> are out there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.distrowatch.com
>>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com
>>>>>> http://www.livecdlist.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Whilst I generally agree with the enthusiasm for Linux, you can't go
>>>>> about making false statements and expect people to believe them. That,
>>>>> IMO, taints Linux and it's community rather than aids it.
>>>>
>>>> You really are a total ignoramus beginning with failure to understand
>>>> Linux is not a foundation but just source code for building an
>>>> operating systems. And that this operating system is critical to all
>>>> the software written on top of it such as graphics engines, window
>>>> managers, audio and video encoders and decoders, web servers etc.
>>>>
>>>> Nearly everything is done with Linux and if it isn't you merely
>>>> have to say what OSen and firmware they are running on.
>>>>
>>>> A long time ago, it was popular to make your own embedded OS
>>>> for products.
>>>>
>>>> These days, it is not possible because big items such as mpeg decoders,
>>>> window managers, ethernet controllers etc are not something
>>>> you can keep redesigning and redeveloping with every new product. You
>>>> instead take it from Linux with all the drivers built in and 
management
>>>> software for all the peripherals such as cameras, storage, USB,
>>>> ethernet, video streams etc built into Linux and the chip so that it
>>>> all works after configuration files have been set up and the entire
>>>> thing recompiled.
>>>>
>>>>
>>

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#354275

On 08/05/2016 19:41, frederick wrote:
> On 08/05/16 17:55, 7 wrote:
>> frederick wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/05/16 14:41, 7 wrote:
>>>> frederick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 08/05/16 12:39, 7 wrote:
>>>>>> Linux largest investor in global electronics markets
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux has for a very long time been the largest investor
>>>>>> in the electronics market.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Linux foundation isn't really an investor, rather companies use
>>>>> Linux within their devices.
>>>>
>>>> WTF? Troll!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Linux is an operating system.
>>>> You can download it from here: https://www.kernel.org/
>>>> Its not a foundation!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> You've never heard of the Linux Foundation?
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation
>>>
>>> Linux is in-fact a kernel, and Linux has never "invested" in anything.
>>
>>
>> Troll!!!
>>
>> This is you and your sideways interpretations and
>> your speed trolling.
>>
>> The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
>>
>> When Linux invests its time in CPUs, products and gadgets,
>> it means all the developers who make Linux have invested
>> their time and code to make Linux work better onto
>> those numerous devices.
>>
>> Linux has invested heavily in ARM processors for example
>> which results in several billion Linux computing
>> devices in the market today.
>>
>> The Linux foundation has nothing directly to do with this.
>> They started long AFTER Linux had been around.
>>
>
> So when you say things like: "Linux has for a very long time been the
> largest investor in the electronics market." What you really mean is the
> largest investor of time?
>
>>
>>
>>>>>> Anything up to trillions of dollars worth of electronics
>>>>>> gadgets run Linux inside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux is the free operating system with source code
>>>>>> available to download to reconfigure and make
>>>>>> any gadget you want and sell and make money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apart from some of the firmware.
>>>>
>>>> Eh?
>>>>
>>>> Linux is free to download operating system
>>>> You can download it from here: https://www.kernel.org/
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's free to download, but not all the firmware in vanilla Linux has
>>> "source code available to download" [1].
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://www.fsfla.org/svn/fsfla/software/linux-libre/releases/branches/4.5/deblob-check
>>>
>>
>>
>> The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
>> This doesn't represent anything of significance.
>>
>
> It represents that there is firmware in the Linux kernel for which there
> is no source code.
>
>>
>>>>>> So typically the 2 billion Android smartphones and
>>>>>> tablets out there has Linux as its core operating
>>>>>> system on top of which runs the Android software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take any router, ADSL or DSL modem, it has Linux
>>>>>> inside to make it work. That means every household
>>>>>> that has broadband already has a Linux gadget
>>>>>> protecting it from all the bad things the internet
>>>>>> has right there in the router.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux inside.
>>>>>> It needs it for the push buttons and the On Screen Display (OSD)
>>>>>> setting manager.
>>>>>
>>>>> False.
>>>>
>>>> So what does it use to make the OSD work troll?!
>>>>
>>>> Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux built into
>>>> its controller with Linux running on it for the OSD.
>>>
>>> It probably uses something like µITRON, or runs bare metal.
>>>
>>> Linux would be somewhat overkill to run a flat-screen monitor.
>>
>> The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
>>
>> No such thing as "probably bare metal".
>> Things like µITRON have long ago faded - and you probably have to
>> pay good money to get it while Linux is free.
>
> µITRON is still very much alive, and is in more devices than Linux.
> There are free versions of µITRON.
>
>>
>> The Linux chips are about $2 to $5, RAM $1, and run
>> all the graphical stuff, window management and fonts.
>>
>> It would be your job to collect all the relevant
>> datasheets and libraries to make the Linux OSD
>> before releasing a TV, and then make it work
>> better than competing OSD.
>>
>>>>>> These Linux systems have been evolving all the time.
>>>>>> Many a flat TV has USB and can now play MP3 tunes,
>>>>>> play mpeg movie files and connect to network to become
>>>>>> smart TVs that can download and play content from
>>>>>> 10's of thousands of internet radio stations and internet
>>>>>> TV stations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the DVD recorders and players contains Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> False.
>>>>
>>>> Liar. They all have it. Which other OS is used for the mpeg decoder
>>>> format conversions, and embedded controller?
>>>
>>> It may have a DSP chip or be running something else.
>>
>> TROLL!!!!
>>
>> It doesn't!! No such thing these days!! :)
>
> There are such things. Texas instruments makes them, Blackfin makes
> them. Many people make them.
>
>>
>> The DSP is now all silicon IP and tied together
>> with Linux and an ARM or MIPS processor to make the
>> product. The products need to do video, sound, display,
>> touch screen, internet, USB, infra-red, and many other functions all of
>> which are available as IP for silicon along with code
>> for Linux CPUs such as ARM. These kinds of SoCs cost around $5.
>> And they all run Linux.
>
> They do not "all run Linux". DVD firmware is often distributed as a hex
> file, or bin file, which suggests to me that they don't run Linux.
>
>>
>>
>>>>>> All the IP cameras contains Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> False.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Liar. They all have it.
>>>> The video streams and http servers are Linux.
>>>
>>> Granted, most probably do use some form of Linux, but not all.
>>
>> The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
>>
>> It would be your education that would tell you
>> which is out there and which are not.
>>
>> For most things you can download all the necessary
>> things to make your own IP cameras.
>> Example is cubieboard.
>>
>
> And? The people manufacturing the IP cameras may have decided to do
> things differently.
>
>>
>>>>>> All the printers contains Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> False.
>>>>
>>>> The rendering engines are all Linux.
>>>>
>>>>>> All the set top boxes contain Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> False.
>>>>
>>>> The MPEG decoders, and cryptographic engines
>>>> are all Linux.
>>>
>>> That's wrong. Linux is just a kernel. Furthermore, if we're talking
>>> about the entire operating system there are MPEG decoders and
>>> cryptographic engines that don't use Linux.
>>>
>>> Nero Digital, QuickTime, DivX Pro Codec, 3ivx are examples of MPEG
>>> decoders that are proprietary (evil) and don't have to run on Linux.
>>
>> You are confused between PC formats, hardware decoders,
>> software encoders and decoders, open source and closed sources.
>
> You mentioned MPEG decoders.
>
>> All closed sources version of Nero, quicktime, divx, etc will
>> run on Linux. You just compile it for fsck sake to make product!!! You
>> buy
>> it from closed sources companies.
>
> They may run on Linux, but that does not mean they are "all Linux". How
> can you trust a proprietary program to do what it says it will do and
> only that?
>
>>
>> If you have the sources, you compile and run anything in Linux.
>> So it will run on Linux. There are also open sourced
>> version of closed sources divx for example. It can
>> be freely used anywhere where the divx patent has not
>> been filed.
>
> Irrelevant.
>
>>
>>
>>>>>> Almost all the major electronics items sold in the high street
>>>>>> has Linux built inside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the retailers, they need to send their product
>>>>>> managers and locate and specify more Linux in
>>>>>> more products. So for example, putting a camera
>>>>>> and internet reporting fridge would add 20 dollars
>>>>>> to a fridge but you can sell it for $1000
>>>>>> and tons of money for the extra features.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you hire clowns for product managers, you will get
>>>>>> stupid products that is not trending. So you need
>>>>>> to push them and specify half of all fridges must come
>>>>>> with Linux and internet and cameras which can be sold at
>>>>>> a premium. And it will be done by the manufactures
>>>>>> because have free access to Linux and to all these
>>>>>> gadgets to add just for you because you requested it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With all the major corporations now using Linux
>>>>>> such as IBM, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Cisco, Oracle,
>>>>>> NASDAQ, etc, all the tech jobs are now going Linux.
>>>>>> The aim is to bring Linux to every desktop.
>>>>>> Chromebooks have been explosive in this regards,
>>>>>> with Linux powering the machine on which Chrome runs.
>>>>>> But there are a lot more ways to get Linux desktop
>>>>>> such as deleting windopws and installing Linux on
>>>>>> old machines to learn Linux.
>>>>>> So get some experience when at university learning Linux,
>>>>>> because it will be needed for all the great things that
>>>>>> are out there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.distrowatch.com
>>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com
>>>>>> http://www.livecdlist.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Whilst I generally agree with the enthusiasm for Linux, you can't go
>>>>> about making false statements and expect people to believe them. That,
>>>>> IMO, taints Linux and it's community rather than aids it.
>>>>
>>>> You really are a total ignoramus beginning with failure to understand
>>>> Linux is not a foundation but just source code for building an
>>>> operating
>>>> systems. And that this operating system is critical to all the
>>>> software written on top of it such as graphics engines, window
>>>> managers,
>>>> audio and video encoders and decoders, web servers etc.
>>>>
>>>> Nearly everything is done with Linux and if it isn't you merely
>>>> have to say what OSen and firmware they are running on.
>>>>
>>>> A long time ago, it was popular to make your own embedded OS
>>>> for products.
>>>>
>>>> These days, it is not possible because big items such as mpeg decoders,
>>>> window managers, ethernet controllers etc are not something
>>>> you can keep redesigning and redeveloping with every new product. You
>>>> instead take it from Linux with all the drivers built in and management
>>>> software for all the peripherals such as cameras, storage, USB,
>>>> ethernet, video streams etc built into Linux and the chip so that it
>>>> all works after configuration files have been set up and the entire
>>>> thing recompiled.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>


You are arguing with an idiot who inhabits his own world and makes up 
and modifies facts. I'll wager he even believes the bike he rides to 
work at the burger joint runs on Linux.

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#354333

Desk Rabbit wrote:

> You are arguing

Says an anti-Linux microshat appile 
paid shill who works the newsgroups for troll money :)


Here troll, read again the original post again and weep:


Linux largest investor in global electronics markets
----------------------------------------------------

Linux has for a very long time been the largest investor
in the electronics market.

Anything up to trillions of dollars worth of electronics
gadgets run Linux inside.

Linux is the free operating system with source code
available to download to reconfigure and make
any gadget you want and sell and make money.

So typically the 2 billion Android smartphones and
tablets out there has Linux as its core operating
system on top of which runs the Android software.

Take any router, ADSL or DSL modem, it has Linux
inside to make it work. That means every household
that has broadband already has a Linux gadget
protecting it from all the bad things the internet
has right there in the router.

Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux inside.
It needs it for the push buttons and the On Screen Display (OSD)
setting manager.

These Linux systems have been evolving all the time.
Many a flat TV has USB and can now play MP3 tunes,
play mpeg movie files and connect to network to become
smart TVs that can download and play content from
10's of thousands of internet radio stations and internet
TV stations.

All the DVD recorders and players contains Linux.
All the IP cameras contains Linux.
All the printers contains Linux.
All the set top boxes contain Linux.

Almost all the major electronics items sold in the high street
has Linux built inside.

For the retailers, they need to send their product
managers and locate and specify more Linux in
more products. So for example, putting a camera
and internet reporting fridge would add 20 dollars
to a fridge but you can sell it for $1000
and tons of money for the extra features.

If you hire clowns for product managers, you will get
stupid products that is not trending. So you need
to push them and specify half of all fridges must come
with Linux and internet and cameras which can be sold at
a premium. And it will be done by the manufactures
because have free access to Linux and to all these
gadgets to add just for you because you requested it.

With all the major corporations now using Linux
such as IBM, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Cisco, Oracle,
NASDAQ, etc, all the tech jobs are now going Linux.
The aim is to bring Linux to every desktop.
Chromebooks have been explosive in this regards,
with Linux powering the machine on which Chrome runs.
But there are a lot more ways to get Linux desktop
such as deleting windopws and installing Linux on
old machines to learn Linux.
So get some experience when at university learning Linux,
because it will be needed for all the great things that
are out there.

http://www.distrowatch.com
http://www.ubuntu.com
http://www.livecdlist.com

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#354430

On 09/05/2016 19:37, 7 wrote:
> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>
>> You are arguing
>
> Says an anti-Linux microshat appile
> paid shill who works the newsgroups for troll money :)

You have no evidence and no proof of that, fancy a libel case against 
you Mr Joseph Michael of 23 Portland Place London?

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#354431

Desk Rabbit babbled:

> On 09/05/2016 19:37, 7 wrote:
>> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>
>>> You are arguing
>>
>> Says an anti-Linux microshat appile
>> paid shill who works the newsgroups for troll money :)
> 
> You have no evidence and no proof of that, fancy a libel case against
> you Mr Joseph Michael of 23 Portland Place London?

Libel case? Are you really *that* nuts, DimRabbit?

You should be flattered that anyone would deem you smart enough to troll for 
money. I am convinced that you are much dumber than a dried loaf of bread.

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#354444

On Tue, 10 May 2016 09:22:53 +0100, Desk Rabbit wrote:

> On 09/05/2016 19:37, 7 wrote:
>> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>
>>> You are arguing
>>
>> Says an anti-Linux microshat appile paid shill who works the newsgroups
>> for troll money :)
> 
> You have no evidence and no proof of that, fancy a libel case against
> you Mr Joseph Michael of 23 Portland Place London?

How do you libel an anonym?

-- 
 -v
"Desktops, workstations and servers are and Microsoft
is doing very well. AS well as Linux." -"Slimer"
"I do not see desktop Linux as a failure." -"Snit"

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#354888

On 10/05/2016 14:59, vallor wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2016 09:22:53 +0100, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>
>> On 09/05/2016 19:37, 7 wrote:
>>> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are arguing
>>>
>>> Says an anti-Linux microshat appile paid shill who works the newsgroups
>>> for troll money :)
>>
>> You have no evidence and no proof of that, fancy a libel case against
>> you Mr Joseph Michael of 23 Portland Place London?
>
> How do you libel an anonym?
>

Did you start using the Internet last week? It is not impossible to sue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrey_v_Demon_Internet_Service
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/24/usenet_libel_law/

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#354918

On Thu, 12 May 2016 17:56:31 +0100, Desk Rabbit wrote:

> On 10/05/2016 14:59, vallor wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 May 2016 09:22:53 +0100, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/05/2016 19:37, 7 wrote:
>>>> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You are arguing
>>>>
>>>> Says an anti-Linux microshat appile paid shill who works the
>>>> newsgroups for troll money :)
>>>
>>> You have no evidence and no proof of that, fancy a libel case against
>>> you Mr Joseph Michael of 23 Portland Place London?
>>
>> How do you libel an anonym?
>>
>>
> Did you start using the Internet last week? It is not impossible to sue.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrey_v_Demon_Internet_Service
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/24/usenet_libel_law/

Those are examples where the "libel-ee"'s name is known.

But sue someone for "libeling" an *anonym*?  I suppose that is possible, 
but I don't think you can find any example of that ever having actually 
happened.

And I've had to deal with online libel an defamation since the days of 
Cubby v. Compuserve.  Teach your grandmother to suck eggs, pally. :P

Note that if you've actually disclosed what your name is, then that's a 
different story.  That would make "Desk Rabbit" a nom de plume.  But if 
nobody knows who you are, then "you" can't be libeled...or at least, I've 
never heard of any court case where that has been determined.  
(Naturally, someone can sue for anything.)

-- 
 -v
"Desktops, workstations and servers are and Microsoft
is doing very well. AS well as Linux." -"Slimer"
"I do not see desktop Linux as a failure." -"Snit"

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#354921

On Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:15:12 UTC, vallor  wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2016 17:56:31 +0100, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> 
> > On 10/05/2016 14:59, vallor wrote:
> >> On Tue, 10 May 2016 09:22:53 +0100, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 09/05/2016 19:37, 7 wrote:
> >>>> Desk Rabbit wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> You are arguing
> >>>>
> >>>> Says an anti-Linux microshat appile paid shill who works the
> >>>> newsgroups for troll money :)
> >>>
> >>> You have no evidence and no proof of that, fancy a libel case against
> >>> you Mr Joseph Michael of 23 Portland Place London?
> >>
> >> How do you libel an anonym?
> >>
> >>
> > Did you start using the Internet last week? It is not impossible to sue.
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrey_v_Demon_Internet_Service
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/24/usenet_libel_law/
> 
> Those are examples where the "libel-ee"'s name is known.
> 
> But sue someone for "libeling" an *anonym*?  I suppose that is possible, 
> but I don't think you can find any example of that ever having actually 
> happened.
> 
> And I've had to deal with online libel an defamation since the days of 
> Cubby v. Compuserve.  Teach your grandmother to suck eggs, pally. :P
> 
> Note that if you've actually disclosed what your name is, then that's a 
> different story.  That would make "Desk Rabbit" a nom de plume.  But if 
> nobody knows who you are, then "you" can't be libeled...or at least, I've 
> never heard of any court case where that has been determined.  
> (Naturally, someone can sue for anything.)
> 
> -- 
>  -v
> "Desktops, workstations and servers are and Microsoft
> is doing very well. AS well as Linux." -"Slimer"
> "I do not see desktop Linux as a failure." -"Snit"

Desk Rabbit's real name and information is easy to find but since he does not attack people with their personal information I will not reveal it.

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#354927

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 1:24:37 PM UTC-6, Snit using his 'tmelmosfire' sock puppet drooled the following with the scent of medicine on his breath:
> On Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:15:12 UTC, vallor  wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 May 2016 17:56:31 +0100, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> > 
> > > On 10/05/2016 14:59, vallor wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 10 May 2016 09:22:53 +0100, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On 09/05/2016 19:37, 7 wrote:
> > >>>> Desk Rabbit wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> You are arguing
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Says an anti-Linux microshat appile paid shill who works the
> > >>>> newsgroups for troll money :)
> > >>>
> > >>> You have no evidence and no proof of that, fancy a libel case against
> > >>> you Mr Joseph Michael of 23 Portland Place London?
> > >>
> > >> How do you libel an anonym?
> > >>
> > >>
> > > Did you start using the Internet last week? It is not impossible to sue.
> > > 
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrey_v_Demon_Internet_Service
> > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/24/usenet_libel_law/
> > 
> > Those are examples where the "libel-ee"'s name is known.
> > 
> > But sue someone for "libeling" an *anonym*?  I suppose that is possible, 
> > but I don't think you can find any example of that ever having actually 
> > happened.
> > 
> > And I've had to deal with online libel an defamation since the days of 
> > Cubby v. Compuserve.  Teach your grandmother to suck eggs, pally. :P
> > 
> > Note that if you've actually disclosed what your name is, then that's a 
> > different story.  That would make "Desk Rabbit" a nom de plume.  But if 
> > nobody knows who you are, then "you" can't be libeled...or at least, I've 
> > never heard of any court case where that has been determined.  
> > (Naturally, someone can sue for anything.)
> > 
> > -- 
> >  -v
> > "Desktops, workstations and servers are and Microsoft
> > is doing very well. AS well as Linux." -"Slimer"
> > "I do not see desktop Linux as a failure." -"Snit"
> 
> Desk Rabbit's real name and information is easy to find but since he does not attack people with their personal information I will not reveal it.

Are you having your 'I'm powerful' delusion again, Snit? LOL!

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#354941

Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll is a nearly 60 year old guy who is single, broke and has no skills. He blames Snit for his loss of his wife and girlfriend. Steven is jealous of what Snit has and in a narcissistic rage repeatedly works to take it away from him. For over 10 years he has failed at even this. Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll is an utter failure in life.

Of his online life Steven says

    I've been booted off by past providers before because people
    complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't want to lose my ISP
    *again* but I still need my army of sock puppets so I continually
    search usenet for whatever servers I haven't yet been booted
    from.
    
Some examples where Steven has been booted

X10 Hosting booted Steven for inappropriate activity (http://tinyurl.com/z92qmz4)

Comcast booted Steven for inappropriate activity 
(http://tinyurl.com/h75nh9l)

FreeHostingEU booted Steven for copyright infringement (http://devsite.eu.pn)

AwardSpace (atwebpages.com) booted Steven for breaking terms of service (http://demsites.atwebpages.com/pokeman)

His wife booted Steven to the curb for cheating on her
    
    
Only site Steven Petruzzellis has pointed to that is still available
http://www.oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net
http://tinyurl.com/zgby6mp

Made by the Go Daddy Website builder and is utter crap. Later he denied he said he was merely taking credit for someone else's work but Steven is the contact person http://tinyurl.com/hcw6dul http://tinyurl.com/hc7ee9q

He likely went to the Go Daddy Website Builder after he failed to get WordPress installed.

https://mu.wordpress.org/forums/topic/13879


This is why Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll attacks Snit. 


Steven Petruzzellis was is divorced because his wife caught him screwing another woman.

Snit is married and by all appearances happily so. 
He never complains about his wife in COLA.


Steven Petruzzellis is living on charity of a friend in a single room.

Snit does not live in a mansion or even a high end home but has a house and a yard.


Steven Petruzzellis has two kids but no respect. He repeatedly called Ryan his "little screwup" and refers to his son Steve as a "dick" and worse. He mocks his possible future daughter-in-law as someone who takes too many selfies and is focused only on herself

Snit has two kids (or more) and never speaks poorly of them in public. 
No reason to think they are not a happy family.


Steven Petruzzellis claims to be a stay at home dad who pays thousands of dollars for day care. Steven has no job and no purpose in life. Steven has given up and now seeks a mother-figure to date. 

Snit has his own business doing technical work and also teaches. 
Snit offers a true contribution to society. 
Teachers are truly under appreciated.

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#354929

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 1:15:12 PM UTC-6, vallor wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2016 17:56:31 +0100, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> 
> > On 10/05/2016 14:59, vallor wrote:
> >> On Tue, 10 May 2016 09:22:53 +0100, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 09/05/2016 19:37, 7 wrote:
> >>>> Desk Rabbit wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> You are arguing
> >>>>
> >>>> Says an anti-Linux microshat appile paid shill who works the
> >>>> newsgroups for troll money :)
> >>>
> >>> You have no evidence and no proof of that, fancy a libel case against
> >>> you Mr Joseph Michael of 23 Portland Place London?
> >>
> >> How do you libel an anonym?
> >>
> >>
> > Did you start using the Internet last week? It is not impossible to sue.
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrey_v_Demon_Internet_Service
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/24/usenet_libel_law/
> 
> Those are examples where the "libel-ee"'s name is known.
> 
> But sue someone for "libeling" an *anonym*?  I suppose that is possible, 
> but I don't think you can find any example of that ever having actually 
> happened.

Even with real names it's extremely difficult to be successful out of a newsgroup the nature of this one, at least, in the U.S. He's pointing to across the pond... so maybe it's easier there. I dunno.

> And I've had to deal with online libel an defamation since the days of 
> Cubby v. Compuserve.  Teach your grandmother to suck eggs, pally. :P

Then you're probably aware that if the person bringing the suit is initiating BS, say, to the level of someone like Glasser,  he'd be hard pressed to even find a willing attorney (he'd have to be fool) because they know how heavily frowned upon it is by the court. 

The cops generally don't even get involved in this silly stuff because it's just wastes resources for no reason. As Im sure you've seen, Snit has threatened lawsuits *tons* of times, but he knows he has to show damage to his "business". His biggest problem on that count? No one has shown more damage to it then he has with the kinds of behavior he's chosen to undertake online. Judges get pissed off with bar members who neglect their due diligence to this level in an attempt to fleece a client.

> Note that if you've actually disclosed what your name is, then that's a 
> different story.

Unless you are known for baiting people, then it's the same story and he'll likely pay *all* associated costs along with his attorney fees... whom he should turn around and sue... strange paradox, I know. But that's why It's so tough to find a willing one... and they'd also have to be lazy as hell because it'd mean they simply took Snit at his word that he is an 'angel' who has been wronged (meaning: they didn't check Snit's online behavior to see if the case was solid).

>  That would make "Desk Rabbit" a nom de plume.  But if 
> nobody knows who you are, then "you" can't be libeled...or at least, I've 
> never heard of any court case where that has been determined.  

It doesn't happen.

> (Naturally, someone can sue for anything.)

With few guarantees, one of them being a loss if you've baited people. 

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#354942

Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll is a nearly 60 year old guy who is single, broke and has no skills. He blames Snit for his loss of his wife and girlfriend. Steven is jealous of what Snit has and in a narcissistic rage repeatedly works to take it away from him. For over 10 years he has failed at even this. Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll is an utter failure in life.

Of his online life Steven says

    I've been booted off by past providers before because people
    complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't want to lose my ISP
    *again* but I still need my army of sock puppets so I continually
    search usenet for whatever servers I haven't yet been booted
    from.
    
Some examples where Steven has been booted

X10 Hosting booted Steven for inappropriate activity (http://tinyurl.com/z92qmz4)

Comcast booted Steven for inappropriate activity 
(http://tinyurl.com/h75nh9l)

FreeHostingEU booted Steven for copyright infringement (http://devsite.eu.pn)

AwardSpace (atwebpages.com) booted Steven for breaking terms of service (http://demsites.atwebpages.com/pokeman)

His wife booted Steven to the curb for cheating on her
    
    
Only site Steven Petruzzellis has pointed to that is still available
http://www.oldneighborhoodrestaurant.net
http://tinyurl.com/zgby6mp

Made by the Go Daddy Website builder and is utter crap. Later he denied he said he was merely taking credit for someone else's work but Steven is the contact person http://tinyurl.com/hcw6dul http://tinyurl.com/hc7ee9q

He likely went to the Go Daddy Website Builder after he failed to get WordPress installed.

https://mu.wordpress.org/forums/topic/13879


This is why Steve "Steven Petruzzellis" Carroll attacks Snit. 


Steven Petruzzellis was is divorced because his wife caught him screwing another woman.

Snit is married and by all appearances happily so. 
He never complains about his wife in COLA.


Steven Petruzzellis is living on charity of a friend in a single room.

Snit does not live in a mansion or even a high end home but has a house and a yard.


Steven Petruzzellis has two kids but no respect. He repeatedly called Ryan his "little screwup" and refers to his son Steve as a "dick" and worse. He mocks his possible future daughter-in-law as someone who takes too many selfies and is focused only on herself

Snit has two kids (or more) and never speaks poorly of them in public. 
No reason to think they are not a happy family.


Steven Petruzzellis claims to be a stay at home dad who pays thousands of dollars for day care. Steven has no job and no purpose in life. Steven has given up and now seeks a mother-figure to date. 

Snit has his own business doing technical work and also teaches. 
Snit offers a true contribution to society. 
Teachers are truly under appreciated.

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