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Re: Linux largest investor in global electronics markets

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On 08/05/16 17:55, 7 wrote:
> frederick wrote:
>
>> On 08/05/16 14:41, 7 wrote:
>>> frederick wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/05/16 12:39, 7 wrote:
>>>>> Linux largest investor in global electronics markets
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux has for a very long time been the largest investor
>>>>> in the electronics market.
>>>>
>>>> The Linux foundation isn't really an investor, rather companies use
>>>> Linux within their devices.
>>>
>>> WTF? Troll!!!!
>>>
>>> Linux is an operating system.
>>> You can download it from here: https://www.kernel.org/
>>> Its not a foundation!!
>>>
>>
>> You've never heard of the Linux Foundation?
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation
>>
>> Linux is in-fact a kernel, and Linux has never "invested" in anything.
>
>
> Troll!!!
>
> This is you and your sideways interpretations and
> your speed trolling.
>
> The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
>
> When Linux invests its time in CPUs, products and gadgets,
> it means all the developers who make Linux have invested
> their time and code to make Linux work better onto
> those numerous devices.
>
> Linux has invested heavily in ARM processors for example
> which results in several billion Linux computing
> devices in the market today.
>
> The Linux foundation has nothing directly to do with this.
> They started long AFTER Linux had been around.
>

So when you say things like: "Linux has for a very long time been the 
largest investor in the electronics market." What you really mean is the 
largest investor of time?

>
>
>>>>> Anything up to trillions of dollars worth of electronics
>>>>> gadgets run Linux inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux is the free operating system with source code
>>>>> available to download to reconfigure and make
>>>>> any gadget you want and sell and make money.
>>>>
>>>> Apart from some of the firmware.
>>>
>>> Eh?
>>>
>>> Linux is free to download operating system
>>> You can download it from here: https://www.kernel.org/
>>>
>>
>> It's free to download, but not all the firmware in vanilla Linux has
>> "source code available to download" [1].
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.fsfla.org/svn/fsfla/software/linux-libre/releases/branches/4.5/deblob-check
>
>
> The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
> This doesn't represent anything of significance.
>

It represents that there is firmware in the Linux kernel for which there 
is no source code.

>
>>>>> So typically the 2 billion Android smartphones and
>>>>> tablets out there has Linux as its core operating
>>>>> system on top of which runs the Android software.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take any router, ADSL or DSL modem, it has Linux
>>>>> inside to make it work. That means every household
>>>>> that has broadband already has a Linux gadget
>>>>> protecting it from all the bad things the internet
>>>>> has right there in the router.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux inside.
>>>>> It needs it for the push buttons and the On Screen Display (OSD)
>>>>> setting manager.
>>>>
>>>> False.
>>>
>>> So what does it use to make the OSD work troll?!
>>>
>>> Every flat screen TV and monitor has Linux built into
>>> its controller with Linux running on it for the OSD.
>>
>> It probably uses something like µITRON, or runs bare metal.
>>
>> Linux would be somewhat overkill to run a flat-screen monitor.
>
> The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
>
> No such thing as "probably bare metal".
> Things like µITRON have long ago faded - and you probably have to
> pay good money to get it while Linux is free.

µITRON is still very much alive, and is in more devices than Linux. 
There are free versions of µITRON.

>
> The Linux chips are about $2 to $5, RAM $1, and run
> all the graphical stuff, window management and fonts.
>
> It would be your job to collect all the relevant
> datasheets and libraries to make the Linux OSD
> before releasing a TV, and then make it work
> better than competing OSD.
>
>>>>> These Linux systems have been evolving all the time.
>>>>> Many a flat TV has USB and can now play MP3 tunes,
>>>>> play mpeg movie files and connect to network to become
>>>>> smart TVs that can download and play content from
>>>>> 10's of thousands of internet radio stations and internet
>>>>> TV stations.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the DVD recorders and players contains Linux.
>>>>
>>>> False.
>>>
>>> Liar. They all have it. Which other OS is used for the mpeg decoder
>>> format conversions, and embedded controller?
>>
>> It may have a DSP chip or be running something else.
>
> TROLL!!!!
>
> It doesn't!! No such thing these days!! :)

There are such things. Texas instruments makes them, Blackfin makes 
them. Many people make them.

>
> The DSP is now all silicon IP and tied together
> with Linux and an ARM or MIPS processor to make the
> product. The products need to do video, sound, display,
> touch screen, internet, USB, infra-red, and many other functions all of
> which are available as IP for silicon along with code
> for Linux CPUs such as ARM. These kinds of SoCs cost around $5.
> And they all run Linux.

They do not "all run Linux". DVD firmware is often distributed as a hex 
file, or bin file, which suggests to me that they don't run Linux.

>
>
>>>>> All the IP cameras contains Linux.
>>>>
>>>> False.
>>>
>>>
>>> Liar. They all have it.
>>> The video streams and http servers are Linux.
>>
>> Granted, most probably do use some form of Linux, but not all.
>
> The law of diminishing returns apply to all your trolls.
>
> It would be your education that would tell you
> which is out there and which are not.
>
> For most things you can download all the necessary
> things to make your own IP cameras.
> Example is cubieboard.
>

And? The people manufacturing the IP cameras may have decided to do 
things differently.

>
>>>>> All the printers contains Linux.
>>>>
>>>> False.
>>>
>>> The rendering engines are all Linux.
>>>
>>>>> All the set top boxes contain Linux.
>>>>
>>>> False.
>>>
>>> The MPEG decoders, and cryptographic engines
>>> are all Linux.
>>
>> That's wrong. Linux is just a kernel. Furthermore, if we're talking
>> about the entire operating system there are MPEG decoders and
>> cryptographic engines that don't use Linux.
>>
>> Nero Digital, QuickTime, DivX Pro Codec, 3ivx are examples of MPEG
>> decoders that are proprietary (evil) and don't have to run on Linux.
>
> You are confused between PC formats, hardware decoders,
> software encoders and decoders, open source and closed sources.

You mentioned MPEG decoders.

> All closed sources version of Nero, quicktime, divx, etc will
> run on Linux. You just compile it for fsck sake to make product!!! You buy
> it from closed sources companies.

They may run on Linux, but that does not mean they are "all Linux". How 
can you trust a proprietary program to do what it says it will do and 
only that?

>
> If you have the sources, you compile and run anything in Linux.
> So it will run on Linux. There are also open sourced
> version of closed sources divx for example. It can
> be freely used anywhere where the divx patent has not
> been filed.

Irrelevant.

>
>
>>>>> Almost all the major electronics items sold in the high street
>>>>> has Linux built inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the retailers, they need to send their product
>>>>> managers and locate and specify more Linux in
>>>>> more products. So for example, putting a camera
>>>>> and internet reporting fridge would add 20 dollars
>>>>> to a fridge but you can sell it for $1000
>>>>> and tons of money for the extra features.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you hire clowns for product managers, you will get
>>>>> stupid products that is not trending. So you need
>>>>> to push them and specify half of all fridges must come
>>>>> with Linux and internet and cameras which can be sold at
>>>>> a premium. And it will be done by the manufactures
>>>>> because have free access to Linux and to all these
>>>>> gadgets to add just for you because you requested it.
>>>>>
>>>>> With all the major corporations now using Linux
>>>>> such as IBM, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Cisco, Oracle,
>>>>> NASDAQ, etc, all the tech jobs are now going Linux.
>>>>> The aim is to bring Linux to every desktop.
>>>>> Chromebooks have been explosive in this regards,
>>>>> with Linux powering the machine on which Chrome runs.
>>>>> But there are a lot more ways to get Linux desktop
>>>>> such as deleting windopws and installing Linux on
>>>>> old machines to learn Linux.
>>>>> So get some experience when at university learning Linux,
>>>>> because it will be needed for all the great things that
>>>>> are out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.distrowatch.com
>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com
>>>>> http://www.livecdlist.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Whilst I generally agree with the enthusiasm for Linux, you can't go
>>>> about making false statements and expect people to believe them. That,
>>>> IMO, taints Linux and it's community rather than aids it.
>>>
>>> You really are a total ignoramus beginning with failure to understand
>>> Linux is not a foundation but just source code for building an operating
>>> systems. And that this operating system is critical to all the
>>> software written on top of it such as graphics engines, window managers,
>>> audio and video encoders and decoders, web servers etc.
>>>
>>> Nearly everything is done with Linux and if it isn't you merely
>>> have to say what OSen and firmware they are running on.
>>>
>>> A long time ago, it was popular to make your own embedded OS
>>> for products.
>>>
>>> These days, it is not possible because big items such as mpeg decoders,
>>> window managers, ethernet controllers etc are not something
>>> you can keep redesigning and redeveloping with every new product. You
>>> instead take it from Linux with all the drivers built in and management
>>> software for all the peripherals such as cameras, storage, USB,
>>> ethernet, video streams etc built into Linux and the chip so that it
>>> all works after configuration files have been set up and the entire
>>> thing recompiled.
>>>
>>>
>

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