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  Steam Machine Review cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-10 04:41 -0800
    Re: Steam Machine Review Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-10 08:28 -0500
      Re: Steam Machine Review Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 14:00 +0000
        Re: Steam Machine Review Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-10 10:40 -0500
    Re: Steam Machine Review Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-10 14:06 +0000
      Re: Steam Machine Review Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 14:16 +0000
        Re: Steam Machine Review Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-10 15:36 +0000
          Re: Steam Machine Review chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-10 09:49 -0600
            Re: Steam Machine Review Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 15:58 +0000
              Re: Steam Machine Review Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 08:04 -0800
                Re: Steam Machine Review Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 16:54 +0000
            Re: Steam Machine Review Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-10 11:20 -0500
            Re: Steam Machine Review Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-10 21:36 +0000
              Re: Steam Machine Review Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 22:18 +0000
              Re: Steam Machine Review GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 16:34 -0700
                Re: Steam Machine Review Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-11 07:44 +0000
                  Re: Steam Machine Review GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-11 14:12 -0700
                    Re: Steam Machine Review Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-11-11 15:18 -0600
                    Re: Steam Machine Review Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-12 09:31 +0000
                      Re: Steam Machine Review GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-12 11:49 -0700
                        Re: Steam Machine Review Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-13 11:44 +0000
          Re: Steam Machine Review Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 15:56 +0000
            Re: Steam Machine Review Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-10 21:38 +0000
              Re: Steam Machine Review Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 22:16 +0000
                Re: Steam Machine Review Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-10 23:11 +0000
                  Re: Steam Machine Review Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 23:29 +0000
                    Re: Steam Machine Review Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-11 07:43 +0000
                      Re: Steam Machine Review chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-11 07:29 -0600
                        Re: Steam Machine Review chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-11 07:33 -0600
                        Re: Steam Machine Review chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-11 07:37 -0600
                          Re: Steam Machine Review Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-11 09:17 -0500
                            Re: Steam Machine Review "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-11 10:01 -0500
                              Re: Steam Machine Review Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-11 10:43 -0500
                              Re: I'm not a fan of 3D games, but I love my high_DPI, IPS 4K monitor. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-12 11:49 -0700
                                Re: I don't want a hologram in my room. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-12 16:13 -0700
                          Re: Steam Machine Review JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-13 12:41 -0600
                            Re: Steam Machine Review chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-16 08:24 -0600

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#332224 — Steam Machine Review

http://gizmodo.com/alienware-steam-machine-review-pc-gaming-with-console-1741428623

...

"I also want to emphasize again how much I liked the controller. It succeeds on a couple different levels. First, it really helps in making games developed for PC feel like they were actually developed for consoles. Second, it takes cues from existing console controllers, and improves upon them, like swapping out those dual joysticks for dual trackpads, and allowing for unprecedented customization, from button commands to the degree of rumbling haptic action."

...

"I'm not crazy about the SteamOS UI--sometimes it feels a little too much like a PC, and not in a good way. There's a lot of clutter and a lot of text. You're not sitting a foot way from your laptop anymore, but the Steam Machine kind of treats you like you are. It's the same reason I don't love using an Internet browser on a PlayStation 3 or 4, for example. I'd almost just open my laptop on the couch next to me."

...

"If you love PC gaming, and are specifically a long-time Steam user who loves PC gaming, then you owe it to yourself to give this puppy a go. If you're a gamer who's lukewarm on PC gaming--especially if you don't use Steam--don't do it.

Especially given the price. With the cheapest version set at $450, that's a hundred bucks more than a PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, and a hefty price of admission for a ride you might not enjoy."

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#332237

On 2015-11-10 7:41 AM, cc wrote:
> http://gizmodo.com/alienware-steam-machine-review-pc-gaming-with-console-1741428623
> 
> ...
> 
> "I also want to emphasize again how much I liked the controller. It succeeds on a couple different levels. First, it really helps in making games developed for PC feel like they were actually developed for consoles. Second, it takes cues from existing console controllers, and improves upon them, like swapping out those dual joysticks for dual trackpads, and allowing for unprecedented customization, from button commands to the degree of rumbling haptic action."
> 
> ...
> 
> "I'm not crazy about the SteamOS UI--sometimes it feels a little too much like a PC, and not in a good way. There's a lot of clutter and a lot of text. You're not sitting a foot way from your laptop anymore, but the Steam Machine kind of treats you like you are. It's the same reason I don't love using an Internet browser on a PlayStation 3 or 4, for example. I'd almost just open my laptop on the couch next to me."
> 
> ...
> 
> "If you love PC gaming, and are specifically a long-time Steam user who loves PC gaming, then you owe it to yourself to give this puppy a go. If you're a gamer who's lukewarm on PC gaming--especially if you don't use Steam--don't do it.
> 
> Especially given the price. With the cheapest version set at $450, that's a hundred bucks more than a PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, and a hefty price of admission for a ride you might not enjoy."

It should be noted that the controller is available without the purchase
of a Steam machine. I was looking into it but my $30 Logitech controller
is working out just fine.

-- 
Slimer

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#332250

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 08:28:00 -0500, Slimer wrote:

> On 2015-11-10 7:41 AM, cc wrote:
>> http://gizmodo.com/alienware-steam-machine-review-pc-gaming-with-
console-1741428623
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>> "I also want to emphasize again how much I liked the controller. It
>> succeeds on a couple different levels. First, it really helps in making
>> games developed for PC feel like they were actually developed for
>> consoles. Second, it takes cues from existing console controllers, and
>> improves upon them, like swapping out those dual joysticks for dual
>> trackpads, and allowing for unprecedented customization, from button
>> commands to the degree of rumbling haptic action."
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>> "I'm not crazy about the SteamOS UI--sometimes it feels a little too
>> much like a PC, and not in a good way. There's a lot of clutter and a
>> lot of text. You're not sitting a foot way from your laptop anymore,
>> but the Steam Machine kind of treats you like you are. It's the same
>> reason I don't love using an Internet browser on a PlayStation 3 or 4,
>> for example. I'd almost just open my laptop on the couch next to me."
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>> "If you love PC gaming, and are specifically a long-time Steam user who
>> loves PC gaming, then you owe it to yourself to give this puppy a go.
>> If you're a gamer who's lukewarm on PC gaming--especially if you don't
>> use Steam--don't do it.
>> 
>> Especially given the price. With the cheapest version set at $450,
>> that's a hundred bucks more than a PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, and a
>> hefty price of admission for a ride you might not enjoy."
> 
> It should be noted that the controller is available without the purchase
> of a Steam machine. I was looking into it but my $30 Logitech controller
> is working out just fine.

I keep wondering what advantage having a Steam Machine vice running Steam 
on a Windows box is.  Unless I'm missing something, with the Steam 
Machine you are locked into their games and/or other Linux games which 
leaves out a huge number of games.

With Steam on a Windows box you get it all and won't spend any more money 
doing it that way.  I didn't see anything that makes me think the Steam 
Machines are cheaper or better than equivalent Windows machines, and are 
more restrictive.

What am I missing?




-- 
Lloyd

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#332282

On 2015-11-10 9:00 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 08:28:00 -0500, Slimer wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-11-10 7:41 AM, cc wrote:
>>> http://gizmodo.com/alienware-steam-machine-review-pc-gaming-with-
> console-1741428623
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> "I also want to emphasize again how much I liked the controller. It
>>> succeeds on a couple different levels. First, it really helps in making
>>> games developed for PC feel like they were actually developed for
>>> consoles. Second, it takes cues from existing console controllers, and
>>> improves upon them, like swapping out those dual joysticks for dual
>>> trackpads, and allowing for unprecedented customization, from button
>>> commands to the degree of rumbling haptic action."
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> "I'm not crazy about the SteamOS UI--sometimes it feels a little too
>>> much like a PC, and not in a good way. There's a lot of clutter and a
>>> lot of text. You're not sitting a foot way from your laptop anymore,
>>> but the Steam Machine kind of treats you like you are. It's the same
>>> reason I don't love using an Internet browser on a PlayStation 3 or 4,
>>> for example. I'd almost just open my laptop on the couch next to me."
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> "If you love PC gaming, and are specifically a long-time Steam user who
>>> loves PC gaming, then you owe it to yourself to give this puppy a go.
>>> If you're a gamer who's lukewarm on PC gaming--especially if you don't
>>> use Steam--don't do it.
>>>
>>> Especially given the price. With the cheapest version set at $450,
>>> that's a hundred bucks more than a PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, and a
>>> hefty price of admission for a ride you might not enjoy."
>>
>> It should be noted that the controller is available without the purchase
>> of a Steam machine. I was looking into it but my $30 Logitech controller
>> is working out just fine.
> 
> I keep wondering what advantage having a Steam Machine vice running Steam 
> on a Windows box is.  Unless I'm missing something, with the Steam 
> Machine you are locked into their games and/or other Linux games which 
> leaves out a huge number of games.

A Steam machine is nothing more than a properly-configured Linux box and
indeed offers you nothing more than the crap currently being shoveled
down Linux gamers' throats.

> With Steam on a Windows box you get it all and won't spend any more money 
> doing it that way.  I didn't see anything that makes me think the Steam 
> Machines are cheaper or better than equivalent Windows machines, and are 
> more restrictive.
> 
> What am I missing?

They're not cheaper. If anything, not even the cost of the operating
system is removed from the machine. You are essentially buying a
heavily-compromised Windows box except that we don't even know if it
will allow you to easily install Windows once you realize that you are
not being offered decent titles on the original machine.



-- 
Slimer

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#332257

In article <6a0f9253-f079-4eb1-8a07-646c53c28106@googlegroups.com>, cc wrote:

> http://gizmodo.com/alienware-steam-machine-review-pc-gaming-with-console-
1741428623

> ...

> "I also want to emphasize again how much I liked the controller. It
> succeeds on a couple different levels. First, it really helps in
> making games developed for PC feel like they were actually developed
> for consoles. Second, it takes cues from existing console
> controllers, and improves upon them, like swapping out those dual
> joysticks for dual trackpads, and allowing for unprecedented
> customization, from button commands to the degree of rumbling haptic
> action."

> ...

> "I'm not crazy about the SteamOS UI--sometimes it feels a little too
> much like a PC, and not in a good way. There's a lot of clutter and
> a lot of text. You're not sitting a foot way from your laptop
> anymore, but the Steam Machine kind of treats you like you are. It's
> the same reason I don't love using an Internet browser on a
> PlayStation 3 or 4, for example. I'd almost just open my laptop on
> the couch next to me."

> ...

> "If you love PC gaming, and are specifically a long-time Steam user
> who loves PC gaming, then you owe it to yourself to give this puppy
> a go. If you're a gamer who's lukewarm on PC gaming--especially if
> you don't use Steam--don't do it.

> Especially given the price. With the cheapest version set at $450,
> that's a hundred bucks more than a PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, and a
> hefty price of admission for a ride you might not enjoy."

I'll probably get one soon enough.

-- 
Sandman

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#332260

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 14:06:02 +0000, Sandman wrote:

> In article <6a0f9253-f079-4eb1-8a07-646c53c28106@googlegroups.com>, cc
> wrote:
> 
>> http://gizmodo.com/alienware-steam-machine-review-pc-gaming-with-
console-
> 1741428623
> 
>> ...
> 
>> "I also want to emphasize again how much I liked the controller. It
>> succeeds on a couple different levels. First, it really helps in making
>> games developed for PC feel like they were actually developed for
>> consoles. Second, it takes cues from existing console controllers, and
>> improves upon them, like swapping out those dual joysticks for dual
>> trackpads, and allowing for unprecedented customization, from button
>> commands to the degree of rumbling haptic action."
> 
>> ...
> 
>> "I'm not crazy about the SteamOS UI--sometimes it feels a little too
>> much like a PC, and not in a good way. There's a lot of clutter and a
>> lot of text. You're not sitting a foot way from your laptop anymore,
>> but the Steam Machine kind of treats you like you are. It's the same
>> reason I don't love using an Internet browser on a PlayStation 3 or 4,
>> for example. I'd almost just open my laptop on the couch next to me."
> 
>> ...
> 
>> "If you love PC gaming, and are specifically a long-time Steam user who
>> loves PC gaming, then you owe it to yourself to give this puppy a go.
>> If you're a gamer who's lukewarm on PC gaming--especially if you don't
>> use Steam--don't do it.
> 
>> Especially given the price. With the cheapest version set at $450,
>> that's a hundred bucks more than a PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, and a
>> hefty price of admission for a ride you might not enjoy."
> 
> I'll probably get one soon enough.

Why?



-- 
Lloyd

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#332279

In article <daechvFd88pU1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons wrote:

> > > "I also want to emphasize again how much I liked the controller.
> > > It succeeds on a couple different levels. First, it really helps
> > > in making games developed for PC feel like they were actually
> > > developed for consoles. Second, it takes cues from existing
> > > console controllers, and improves upon them, like swapping out
> > > those dual joysticks for dual trackpads, and allowing for
> > > unprecedented customization, from button commands to the degree
> > > of rumbling haptic action."
> > 
> > > ...
> > 
> > > "I'm not crazy about the SteamOS UI--sometimes it feels a little
> > > too much like a PC, and not in a good way. There's a lot of
> > > clutter and a lot of text. You're not sitting a foot way from
> > > your laptop anymore, but the Steam Machine kind of treats you
> > > like you are. It's the same reason I don't love using an
> > > Internet browser on a PlayStation 3 or 4, for example. I'd
> > > almost just open my laptop on the couch next to me."
> > 
> > > ...
> > 
> > > "If you love PC gaming, and are specifically a long-time Steam
> > > user who loves PC gaming, then you owe it to yourself to give
> > > this puppy a go. If you're a gamer who's lukewarm on PC
> > > gaming--especially if you don't use Steam--don't do it.
> > 
> > > Especially given the price. With the cheapest version set at
> > > $450, that's a hundred bucks more than a PlayStation 4 and Xbox
> > > One, and a hefty price of admission for a ride you might not
> > > enjoy."
> > 
> > Sandman:
> > I'll probably get one soon enough.
> 
> Why?

I love to game, and gaming is the only reason to get a PC. Sure, the Steam 
Machines are more limited than a PC, but you get that sofa experience so I think 
I'll like it.

-- 
Sandman

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#332286

Sandman wrote:

>I love to game, and gaming is the only reason to get a PC. Sure, the Steam 
>Machines are more limited than a PC, but you get that sofa experience so I think 
>I'll like it.

Yeah, I lost my love for PC gaming when it went-away from joysticks.
I don't like being stuck to the desk via the keyboard and mouse.

-- 
"I post to COLA as Snit. Only name I have ever used."  -  some thing,
lying shamelessly (but no one can quote it lying)

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#332291

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:49:04 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> Sandman wrote:
> 
>>I love to game, and gaming is the only reason to get a PC. Sure, the
>>Steam Machines are more limited than a PC, but you get that sofa
>>experience so I think I'll like it.
> 
> Yeah, I lost my love for PC gaming when it went-away from joysticks.
> I don't like being stuck to the desk via the keyboard and mouse.

That's why years ago I switched over to the consoles.  Even though I'm 
not an avid gamer, I do enjoy them on many occasions.  I have the PS3&4, 
Xbox One and Wii u.  All of them enjoyable for different reasons.



-- 
Lloyd

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#332293

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 8:58:26 AM UTC-7, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:49:04 -0600, chrisv wrote:
> 
> > Sandman wrote:
> > 
> >>I love to game, and gaming is the only reason to get a PC. Sure, the
> >>Steam Machines are more limited than a PC, but you get that sofa
> >>experience so I think I'll like it.
> > 
> > Yeah, I lost my love for PC gaming when it went-away from joysticks.
> > I don't like being stuck to the desk via the keyboard and mouse.
> 
> That's why years ago I switched over to the consoles.  Even though I'm 
> not an avid gamer, I do enjoy them on many occasions.  I have the PS3&4, 
> Xbox One and Wii u.  All of them enjoyable for different reasons.

If you're not a avid gamer why do you own all of those? Grandkids?

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#332313

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 08:04:59 -0800, Steve Carroll wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 8:58:26 AM UTC-7, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:49:04 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>> 
>> > Sandman wrote:
>> > 
>> >>I love to game, and gaming is the only reason to get a PC. Sure, the
>> >>Steam Machines are more limited than a PC, but you get that sofa
>> >>experience so I think I'll like it.
>> > 
>> > Yeah, I lost my love for PC gaming when it went-away from joysticks.
>> > I don't like being stuck to the desk via the keyboard and mouse.
>> 
>> That's why years ago I switched over to the consoles.  Even though I'm
>> not an avid gamer, I do enjoy them on many occasions.  I have the
>> PS3&4,
>> Xbox One and Wii u.  All of them enjoyable for different reasons.
> 
> If you're not a avid gamer why do you own all of those? Grandkids?

And great granddaughter too!

But I play all of them at different times.  I'm about ready to sell my PS4 
as it is the least used though.




-- 
Lloyd

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#332294

On 2015-11-10 10:49 AM, chrisv wrote:
> Sandman wrote:
> 
>> I love to game, and gaming is the only reason to get a PC. Sure, the Steam 
>> Machines are more limited than a PC, but you get that sofa experience so I think 
>> I'll like it.
> 
> Yeah, I lost my love for PC gaming when it went-away from joysticks.
> I don't like being stuck to the desk via the keyboard and mouse.

Just about every game nowadays supports joysticks. People prefer the
keyboard and mouse in FPS games simply because it gives them a greater
level of control.

-- 
Slimer

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#332404

In article <28444b12ilmtga2coekgrfopcc1l755436@4ax.com>, chrisv wrote:

> > Sandman:
> > I love to game, and gaming is the only reason to get a PC. Sure,
> > the Steam  Machines are more limited than a PC, but you get that
> > sofa experience so I think  I'll like it.
> 
> Yeah, I lost my love for PC gaming when it went-away from joysticks.
> I don't like being stuck to the desk via the keyboard and mouse.

I think it's ok. I have a kickass PC rig that handles anything, and it's really 
nice. I don't mind gaming at the desk. I also have a PS4, Xbox One, Xbox 360, PS3 
and WiiU as well :)

-- 
Sandman

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#332417

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 21:36:17 +0000, Sandman wrote:

> In article <28444b12ilmtga2coekgrfopcc1l755436@4ax.com>, chrisv wrote:
> 
>> > Sandman:
>> > I love to game, and gaming is the only reason to get a PC. Sure,
>> > the Steam  Machines are more limited than a PC, but you get that sofa
>> > experience so I think  I'll like it.
>> 
>> Yeah, I lost my love for PC gaming when it went-away from joysticks.
>> I don't like being stuck to the desk via the keyboard and mouse.
> 
> I think it's ok. I have a kickass PC rig that handles anything, and it's
> really nice. I don't mind gaming at the desk. I also have a PS4, Xbox
> One, Xbox 360, PS3 and WiiU as well :)

Us boys and our toys, huh?  :)

I just got the Wii u after ignoring Nintendo for a long while.  Enjoying 
the hell out of it.  I missed those great platformers as well as the new 
ones.




-- 
Lloyd

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#332447

On 11/10/15 14:36, Sandman wrote:
> In article<28444b12ilmtga2coekgrfopcc1l755436@4ax.com>, chrisv wrote:
>
>>> Sandman:
>>> I love to game, and gaming is the only reason to get a PC. Sure,
>>> the Steam  Machines are more limited than a PC, but you get that
>>> sofa experience so I think  I'll like it.
>>
>> Yeah, I lost my love for PC gaming when it went-away from joysticks.
>> I don't like being stuck to the desk via the keyboard and mouse.
>
> I think it's ok. I have a kickass PC rig that handles anything, and it's really
> nice. I don't mind gaming at the desk. I also have a PS4, Xbox One, Xbox 360, PS3
> and WiiU as well :)
>
I see on CNN tech page that Tim Cook says the PC is going away.
How is Apple going to build iPhone apps without an iMac or Mac Pro?

-- 
My problem is that I don't have enough middle fingers.

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#332505

In article <FeidnaS65-Rv49_LnZ2dnUU7-WWdnZ2d@bresnan.com>, GreyCloud wrote:

> > > > Sandman:
> > > > I love to game, and gaming is the only reason to get
> > > > a PC. Sure, the Steam  Machines are more limited than a PC,
> > > > but you get that sofa experience so I think  I'll like it.
> > > 
> > > chrisv:
> > > Yeah, I lost my love for PC gaming when it went-away from
> > > joysticks. I don't like being stuck to the desk via the keyboard
> > > and mouse.
> > 
> > Sandman:
> > I think it's ok. I have a kickass PC rig that handles anything,
> > and it's really nice. I don't mind gaming at the desk. I also have
> > a PS4, Xbox One, Xbox 360, PS3 and WiiU as well :)
> 
> I see on CNN tech page that Tim Cook says the PC is going away. How
> is Apple going to build iPhone apps without an iMac or Mac Pro?

There were a time when people couldn't browse their Facebook stream on their 
phone either.

Whether the PC is going away or not is debatable, but it is certainly in decline 
when people are using mobile units more and more. 

-- 
Sandman

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#332619

On 11/11/15 00:44, Sandman wrote:
> In article<FeidnaS65-Rv49_LnZ2dnUU7-WWdnZ2d@bresnan.com>, GreyCloud wrote:
>
>>>>> Sandman:
>>>>> I love to game, and gaming is the only reason to get
>>>>> a PC. Sure, the Steam  Machines are more limited than a PC,
>>>>> but you get that sofa experience so I think  I'll like it.
>>>>
>>>> chrisv:
>>>> Yeah, I lost my love for PC gaming when it went-away from
>>>> joysticks. I don't like being stuck to the desk via the keyboard
>>>> and mouse.
>>>
>>> Sandman:
>>> I think it's ok. I have a kickass PC rig that handles anything,
>>> and it's really nice. I don't mind gaming at the desk. I also have
>>> a PS4, Xbox One, Xbox 360, PS3 and WiiU as well :)
>>
>> I see on CNN tech page that Tim Cook says the PC is going away. How
>> is Apple going to build iPhone apps without an iMac or Mac Pro?
>
> There were a time when people couldn't browse their Facebook stream on their
> phone either.
>
> Whether the PC is going away or not is debatable, but it is certainly in decline
> when people are using mobile units more and more.
>

Then will apple provide Xcode for the iPhone?


-- 
My problem is that I don't have enough middle fingers.

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#332622

On 2015-11-11 21:12:01 +0000, GreyCloud said:

> On 11/11/15 00:44, Sandman wrote:
>> In article<FeidnaS65-Rv49_LnZ2dnUU7-WWdnZ2d@bresnan.com>, GreyCloud wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> Sandman:
>>>>>> I love to game, and gaming is the only reason to get
>>>>>> a PC. Sure, the Steam  Machines are more limited than a PC,
>>>>>> but you get that sofa experience so I think  I'll like it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> chrisv:
>>>>> Yeah, I lost my love for PC gaming when it went-away from
>>>>> joysticks. I don't like being stuck to the desk via the keyboard
>>>>> and mouse.
>>>> 
>>>> Sandman:
>>>> I think it's ok. I have a kickass PC rig that handles anything,
>>>> and it's really nice. I don't mind gaming at the desk. I also have
>>>> a PS4, Xbox One, Xbox 360, PS3 and WiiU as well :)
>>> 
>>> I see on CNN tech page that Tim Cook says the PC is going away. How
>>> is Apple going to build iPhone apps without an iMac or Mac Pro?
>> 
>> There were a time when people couldn't browse their Facebook stream on their
>> phone either.
>> 
>> Whether the PC is going away or not is debatable, but it is certainly 
>> in decline
>> when people are using mobile units more and more.
>> 
> 
> Then will apple provide Xcode for the iPhone?

While I think the desktop is going to keep declining it won't be gone 
any time soon.  Laptops are pretty much getting replaced with 
ultrabooks for those that don't need really killer specs and like nice, 
small and light laptops.

Some great ultrabooks out there.  The new Macbook 12", Surface Pro line 
are just a couple.  The SurfacePro to me is the ideal ultrabook.  
Small, light and powerful enough to do most anything you want to throw 
at it.  And it can be used as a tablet just fine too.  Couple it with a 
Windows phone and you've got a very nice ecosystem surrounding it too.  
A bit on the pricey side but well worth it.

Apple is the only one at the moment that I think needs to see laptops 
stick around.  iOS devices are wonderful, but iOS just isn't a full 
operating system to do the things that a laptop can do that tablets 
can't.

-- 
Lloyd

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#332651

In article <m8WdnWvLYfm5Mt7LnZ2dnUU7-bWdnZ2d@bresnan.com>, GreyCloud wrote:

> > > > > > Sandman:
> > > > > > I love to game, and gaming is the only reason to
> > > > > > get a PC. Sure, the Steam  Machines are more limited than
> > > > > > a PC, but you get that sofa experience so I think  I'll
> > > > > > like it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > chrisv:
> > > > > Yeah, I lost my love for PC gaming when it went-away
> > > > > from joysticks. I don't like being stuck to the desk via the
> > > > > keyboard and mouse.
> > > > 
> > > > Sandman:
> > > > I think it's ok. I have a kickass PC rig that handles
> > > > anything, and it's really nice. I don't mind gaming at the
> > > > desk. I also have a PS4, Xbox One, Xbox 360, PS3 and WiiU as
> > > > well :)
> > > 
> > > GreyCloud:
> > > I see on CNN tech page that Tim Cook says the PC is going away.
> > > How is Apple going to build iPhone apps without an iMac or Mac
> > > Pro?
> > 
> > Sandman:
> > There were a time when people couldn't browse their Facebook
> > stream on their phone either.
> 
> > Whether the PC is going away or not is debatable, but it is
> > certainly in decline when people are using mobile units more and
> > more.
> 
> Then will apple provide Xcode for the iPhone?

Probably not for the iPhone, but for the iPad, sure.

-- 
Sandman

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#332694

On 11/12/15 02:31, Sandman wrote:
> In article<m8WdnWvLYfm5Mt7LnZ2dnUU7-bWdnZ2d@bresnan.com>, GreyCloud wrote:
>
>>>>>>> Sandman:
>>>>>>> I love to game, and gaming is the only reason to
>>>>>>> get a PC. Sure, the Steam  Machines are more limited than
>>>>>>> a PC, but you get that sofa experience so I think  I'll
>>>>>>> like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> chrisv:
>>>>>> Yeah, I lost my love for PC gaming when it went-away
>>>>>> from joysticks. I don't like being stuck to the desk via the
>>>>>> keyboard and mouse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sandman:
>>>>> I think it's ok. I have a kickass PC rig that handles
>>>>> anything, and it's really nice. I don't mind gaming at the
>>>>> desk. I also have a PS4, Xbox One, Xbox 360, PS3 and WiiU as
>>>>> well :)
>>>>
>>>> GreyCloud:
>>>> I see on CNN tech page that Tim Cook says the PC is going away.
>>>> How is Apple going to build iPhone apps without an iMac or Mac
>>>> Pro?
>>>
>>> Sandman:
>>> There were a time when people couldn't browse their Facebook
>>> stream on their phone either.
>>
>>> Whether the PC is going away or not is debatable, but it is
>>> certainly in decline when people are using mobile units more and
>>> more.
>>
>> Then will apple provide Xcode for the iPhone?
>
> Probably not for the iPhone, but for the iPad, sure.
>
I got an email ad from Apple about the iPad Pro.  It looks nice, but if 
Tim Cook is going to kill off the iMac line, they'll need a new Xcode 
for the iPad Pro to develop for the iPhone and other iOS devices.

Or, when MS gets done implementing all of the iOS APIs, then MS new 
VS2015 or whatever number will be able to generate the programs for any 
iOS device.  Right now they have just the basics and not all of the APIs 
in place.  It will be an interesting change.


-- 
My problem is that I don't have enough middle fingers.

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