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  yep, it's an iGay owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-03-28 17:07 +0000
    Re: yep, it's an iGay DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-28 13:10 -0400
      Re: yep, it's an iGay Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-28 12:17 -0700
        Re: yep, it's an iGay Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-28 12:24 -0700
          Re: yep, it's an iGay DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-28 22:23 -0400
            Re: yep, it's an iGay Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-28 19:47 -0700
              Re: yep, it's an iGay -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-03-30 09:28 -0700
                Re: yep, it's an iGay "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-30 12:41 -0400
                  Re: yep, it's an iGay -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-03-30 11:41 -0700
                Re: yep, it's an iGay Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-30 10:15 -0700
                  Re: yep, it's an iGay -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-03-30 11:35 -0700
                    Re: yep, it's an iGay "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-30 15:39 -0400
                    Re: yep, it's an iGay Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-30 12:43 -0700
                      Re: yep, it's an iGay -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-03-30 17:18 -0700
                        Re: yep, it's an iGay Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-30 17:35 -0700
                          Re: yep, it's an iGay -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-03-30 19:11 -0700
                            Re: yep, it's an iGay Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-30 20:13 -0700
                              Re: yep, it's an iGay -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-03-31 03:47 -0700
                                Re: yep, it's an iGay Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-31 08:39 -0700
                                  Re: yep, it's an iGay -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-03-31 09:22 -0700
                                    Re: yep, it's an iGay Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-01 10:10 -0700
                                      Re: yep, it's an iGay -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-02 03:18 -0700
                                        Re: yep, it's an iGay Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-02 08:10 -0700
        Re: yep, it's an iGay Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-28 13:56 -0700
      Re: yep, it's an iGay Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-03-28 13:57 -0700
    Re: yep, it's an iGay Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-03-30 09:33 +0100
    Re: yep, it's an iGay Marti van Lin <ml2mst@nospam.indvalid> - 2015-03-31 01:39 +0200
      Re: yep, it's an iGay owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-03-31 00:09 +0000
        Re: yep, it's an iGay DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-31 09:42 -0400
        Re: yep, it's an iGay Marti van Lin <ml2mst@nospam.indvalid> - 2015-04-01 01:51 +0200
          Re: yep, it's an iGay owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-01 00:14 +0000
          Re: yep, it's an iGay Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2015-04-01 11:50 +0000
            Re: yep, it's an iGay DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-01 08:31 -0400
              Re: yep, it's an iGay -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-01 06:09 -0700
            Re: yep, it's an iGay Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-01 17:14 +0200
              Re: yep, it's an iGay GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-01 12:18 -0600
              Re: yep, it's an iGay owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-01 18:59 +0000
                Re: yep, it's an iGay "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-01 15:05 -0400
                  Re: yep, it's an iGay owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-01 20:49 +0000
                    Re: yep, it's an iGay Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-01 22:58 +0200
                      Re: yep, it's an iGay owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-01 21:57 +0000
                        Re: yep, it's an iGay Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-02 00:15 +0200
                          Re: yep, it's an iGay owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-01 23:10 +0000
                            Re: yep, it's an iGay Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-02 01:40 +0200
                              Re: yep, it's an iGay owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-02 00:07 +0000
                                Re: yep, it's an iGay Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-01 20:56 -0400
                                  Re: yep, it's an iGay GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 17:15 -0600
                                    Re: yep, it's an iGay Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-03 01:23 +0200
                                      Re: yep, it's an iGay GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-02 19:08 -0600
                                    Re: yep, it's an iGay Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-02 21:55 -0400
                                      Re: yep, it's an iGay GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-03 12:46 -0600
                                        Re: yep, it's an iGay Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-03 15:52 -0400
                                          Re: yep, it's an iGay GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-04 16:32 -0600
                                            Re: yep, it's an iGay Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-05 01:09 +0200
                                              Re: yep, it's an iGay GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-05 12:38 -0600
                                            Re: yep, it's an iGay Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-05 11:29 -0400
                                              Re: yep, it's an iGay GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-05 12:33 -0600
                                        Re: yep, it's an iGay -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-04 18:06 -0700
                                          Re: yep, it's an iGay GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-05 12:31 -0600
                          Re: yep, it's an iGay DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-01 23:15 -0400
                            Re: yep, it's an iGay Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-01 23:48 -0400
            Re: yep, it's an iGay GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-01 12:18 -0600
      Re: yep, it's an iGay Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-30 20:19 -0400
        Re: yep, it's an iGay jeremywalmartprescottaz@gmail.com - 2015-03-30 17:42 -0700
    Re: yep, it's an iGay awoolmeyer@gmail.com - 2015-03-31 08:47 -0700

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#286466 — yep, it's an iGay

https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/tim-cook-apple-watch.jpg?w=704&h=528

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#286467

On 3/28/2015 1:07 PM, owl wrote:
> https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/tim-cook-apple-watch.jpg?w=704&h=528


The Apple pimp-slap is strong on owl...

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#286482

On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 11:10:26 AM UTC-6, DFS wrote:
> On 3/28/2015 1:07 PM, owl wrote:
> > https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/tim-cook-apple-watch.jpg?w=704&h=528
> 
> 
> The Apple pimp-slap is strong on owl...

Hehe ;)

The only watches I ever purchased (doesn't include watches given to me as a child) are in this pic - warning: it's 3264 × 2448. The two on the left were purchased solely for backpacking. I found I can't really wear a watch for some reason, just bugs the hell outta me. I used to be a goldsmith long ago and was one of the very few I knew that never wore jewelry (aside from a wedding ring).

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#286484

On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 1:17:19 PM UTC-6, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 11:10:26 AM UTC-6, DFS wrote:
> > On 3/28/2015 1:07 PM, owl wrote:
> > > https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/tim-cook-apple-watch.jpg?w=704&h=528
> > 
> > 
> > The Apple pimp-slap is strong on owl...
> 
> Hehe ;)
> 
> The only watches I ever purchased (doesn't include watches given to me as a child) are in this pic - warning: it's 3264 × 2448. The two on the left were purchased solely for backpacking. I found I can't really wear a watch for some reason, just bugs the hell outta me. I used to be a goldsmith long ago and was one of the very few I knew that never wore jewelry (aside from a wedding ring).

I guess I shoulda put in the link, huh? ;)

http://home.comcast.net/~fretwizz/watch-collection.jpg

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#286529

On 3/28/2015 3:24 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 1:17:19 PM UTC-6, Steve Carroll
> wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 11:10:26 AM UTC-6, DFS wrote:
>>> On 3/28/2015 1:07 PM, owl wrote:
>>>> https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/tim-cook-apple-watch.jpg?w=704&h=528
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The Apple pimp-slap is strong on owl...
>>
>> Hehe ;)


If it's not clear, I meant Apple is pimp-slapping owl with their awesome
Watch.

I'd love to have one, but at $549 to $1099 I'll pass, and wear
my Victorinox (bday gift), or my Fossil, or my Kenneth Cole, or my Casio
analog, or my Casio digital.


Fossil cost about $85
Others $20 or so each.

I used to have a Skagen similar to this one:

http://www.skagen.com/us/en/products/theodor-leather-watch-pdp858xlslcp.html

but the crystal broke after wearing it about 3x and the company I bought 
it from (WatchStation) gave me a replacement up to $85, and I chose the 
Fossil.

I haven't put any of them on in about a year.  They bug me, like you said.



>> The only watches I ever purchased (doesn't include watches given to
>> me as a child) are in this pic - warning: it's 3264 × 2448. The two
>> on the left were purchased solely for backpacking. I found I can't
>> really wear a watch for some reason, just bugs the hell outta me. I
>> used to be a goldsmith long ago and was one of the very few I knew
>> that never wore jewelry (aside from a wedding ring).
>
> I guess I shoulda put in the link, huh? ;)
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~fretwizz/watch-collection.jpg


You bought the Breitling?  Aren't those multiple $thousands?

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#286548

On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 8:23:41 PM UTC-6, DFS wrote:
> On 3/28/2015 3:24 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 1:17:19 PM UTC-6, Steve Carroll
> > wrote:
> >> On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 11:10:26 AM UTC-6, DFS wrote:
> >>> On 3/28/2015 1:07 PM, owl wrote:
> >>>> https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/tim-cook-apple-watch.jpg?w=704&h=528
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The Apple pimp-slap is strong on owl...
> >>
> >> Hehe ;)
> 
> 
> If it's not clear, I meant Apple is pimp-slapping owl with their awesome
> Watch.

I dunno... his owl watch was pretty pimpish:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5AujHXeKdlw/TnapW_RpIKI/AAAAAAAAAHU/vYD7jd-zq3Y/s1600/gphg2010_chopard_10_0711_owl_watch_02.jpg

> I'd love to have one, but at $549 to $1099 I'll pass, and wear
> my Victorinox (bday gift), or my Fossil, or my Kenneth Cole, or my Casio
> analog, or my Casio digital.
> 
> 
> Fossil cost about $85
> Others $20 or so each.
> 
> I used to have a Skagen similar to this one:
> 
> http://www.skagen.com/us/en/products/theodor-leather-watch-pdp858xlslcp.html
> 
> but the crystal broke after wearing it about 3x

That'd be me.

> and the company I bought 
> it from (WatchStation) gave me a replacement up to $85, and I chose the 
> Fossil.
> 
> I haven't put any of them on in about a year.  They bug me, like you said.

I actually tried... never was able to without being overly conscious of it.

> >> The only watches I ever purchased (doesn't include watches given to
> >> me as a child) are in this pic - warning: it's 3264 × 2448. The two
> >> on the left were purchased solely for backpacking. I found I can't
> >> really wear a watch for some reason, just bugs the hell outta me. I
> >> used to be a goldsmith long ago and was one of the very few I knew
> >> that never wore jewelry (aside from a wedding ring).
> >
> > I guess I shoulda put in the link, huh? ;)
> >
> > http://home.comcast.net/~fretwizz/watch-collection.jpg
> 
> 
> You bought the Breitling?  Aren't those multiple $thousands?

Yeah, several thousands! I have guitars that are worth more and I actually play those. LOL!

The watch in the middle has the wheel I was talking about, I really should have opened it so you could see that aspect better. Last time I put a battery in it the thing still worked (same for the one on the left).

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#286742

Steve Carroll wrote:
> DFS wrote:
> > Steve Carroll wrote:
> > > Steve Carroll wrote:
> > >> 
> > [...]
> > I'd love to have one, but at $549 to $1099 I'll pass, and wear
> > my Victorinox (bday gift), or my Fossil, or my Kenneth Cole, 
> > or my Casio analog, or my Casio digital.
> > 
> > I haven't put any of them on in about a year.  They bug
> > me, like you said.
> 
> I actually tried... never was able to without being overly
> conscious of it.
> 
> > >> The only watches I ever purchased ... The two on the left
> > >>  were purchased solely for backpacking. I found I can't
> > >> really wear a watch for some reason, just bugs the hell
> > >> outta me. I used to be a goldsmith long ago and was one
> > >> of the very few I knew that never wore jewelry (aside
> > >> from a wedding ring).
> > >
> > > I guess I shoulda put in the link, huh? ;)
> > >
> > > http://home.comcast.net/~fretwizz/watch-collection.jpg
> > 
> > 
> > You bought the Breitling?  Aren't those multiple $thousands?
> 
> Yeah, several thousands! I have guitars that are worth more
> and I actually play those. LOL!

The real ones are.  Unfortunately, there's also several brands
for which there's become an entire industry to go make fakes.
Case in point, here's some admitted look-alikes of Breitling's:

<http://www.watch-superior.com/B13355-35089.html>
<http://www.watch-superior.com/B13355-55307.html>
<http://www.watch-superior.com/D13355-73908.html>

And FYI, these knock-offs even include the nice paperwork too:
<http://www.watch-superior.com/Breitling-16013-22642.html>

FWIW, I'm reminded of a guy who used to brag on Usenet at
length about his expensive Rolex ... and (eventually) how 
he got it for such an incredible price when he was in 
Hong Kong (from a random street corner, no doubt)..which is
quite obviously a clue.  

> The watch in the middle has the wheel I was talking about, 
> I really should have opened it so you could see that aspect
> better. Last time I put a battery in it the thing still 
> worked (same for the one on the left).

Casio has had a lot of neat ideas over the years; I've had 
a plethora of Casio's over the years; my biggest 'complaint' 
about them was that my application was for scuba diving and 
in order to make sure that they really were waterproof after 
a battery change, I found that nothing less than Casio Factory 
Service would suffice:  any time that I'd have a jeweler (or
DIY) do a swap, they'd flood.  This was fine for as long
as Casio had a local service center which did this, but they
eventually changed to a send-out service and turn-around was
around 2-3 weeks, which became a hassle when one wouldn't get
to that resolution of checking out dive gear until an equal
number of weeks before a trip only to find a dead battery.
Since then, I've changed over to solar-based dive watches,
which "never" needs to be opened.   


-hh

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#286747

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message 
news:e0356721-0911-4c4e-86e2-14c05e86fde7@googlegroups.com...
> Steve Carroll wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>> > Steve Carroll wrote:
>> > > Steve Carroll wrote:
>> > >>
>> > [...]
>> > I'd love to have one, but at $549 to $1099 I'll pass, and wear
>> > my Victorinox (bday gift), or my Fossil, or my Kenneth Cole,
>> > or my Casio analog, or my Casio digital.
>> >
>> > I haven't put any of them on in about a year.  They bug
>> > me, like you said.
>>
>> I actually tried... never was able to without being overly
>> conscious of it.
>>
>> > >> The only watches I ever purchased ... The two on the left
>> > >>  were purchased solely for backpacking. I found I can't
>> > >> really wear a watch for some reason, just bugs the hell
>> > >> outta me. I used to be a goldsmith long ago and was one
>> > >> of the very few I knew that never wore jewelry (aside
>> > >> from a wedding ring).
>> > >
>> > > I guess I shoulda put in the link, huh? ;)
>> > >
>> > > http://home.comcast.net/~fretwizz/watch-collection.jpg
>> >
>> >
>> > You bought the Breitling?  Aren't those multiple $thousands?
>>
>> Yeah, several thousands! I have guitars that are worth more
>> and I actually play those. LOL!
>
> The real ones are.  Unfortunately, there's also several brands
> for which there's become an entire industry to go make fakes.
> Case in point, here's some admitted look-alikes of Breitling's:
>
> <http://www.watch-superior.com/B13355-35089.html>
> <http://www.watch-superior.com/B13355-55307.html>
> <http://www.watch-superior.com/D13355-73908.html>
>
> And FYI, these knock-offs even include the nice paperwork too:
> <http://www.watch-superior.com/Breitling-16013-22642.html>
>
> FWIW, I'm reminded of a guy who used to brag on Usenet at
> length about his expensive Rolex ... and (eventually) how
> he got it for such an incredible price when he was in
> Hong Kong (from a random street corner, no doubt)..which is
> quite obviously a clue.
>
>> The watch in the middle has the wheel I was talking about,
>> I really should have opened it so you could see that aspect
>> better. Last time I put a battery in it the thing still
>> worked (same for the one on the left).
>
> Casio has had a lot of neat ideas over the years; I've had
> a plethora of Casio's over the years; my biggest 'complaint'
> about them was that my application was for scuba diving and
> in order to make sure that they really were waterproof after
> a battery change, I found that nothing less than Casio Factory
> Service would suffice:  any time that I'd have a jeweler (or
> DIY) do a swap, they'd flood.  This was fine for as long
> as Casio had a local service center which did this, but they
> eventually changed to a send-out service and turn-around was
> around 2-3 weeks, which became a hassle when one wouldn't get
> to that resolution of checking out dive gear until an equal
> number of weeks before a trip only to find a dead battery.
> Since then, I've changed over to solar-based dive watches,
> which "never" needs to be opened.
>

I have two watches. One is a Seiko divers watch like this one here but with 
a different band. (Mine has a NATO military "strap" band)

   http://www.blessthisstuff.com/imagens/stuff/seiko-skx009-divers-watch-2.jpg


The other is a Victorinox (Swiss Army) watch just like this one:

   http://www.jared.com/images/products/3402/340292200_MV_ZM_JAR.jpg


The Seiko is self winding which is nice but not nearly as accurate as the 
Victorinox which is quartz. Both watches are priced reasonable enough where 
I can just buy them from an authorized dealer and not have to worry about 
being a counterfeit knock-off.

-- 
"My Dad lives 600 miles away from me... it was usually easier for me to send 
him a new computer with a new installation of Windows."

wRonG - He /usually/ fixes his dad's computer by just sending him new 
computers.
Message-ID: <l7dpqt$n3l$8@dont-email.me>
30 Nov 2013

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#286790

Ezekiel wrote:
> "-hh" wrote:
> > [...]
> I have two watches. One is a Seiko divers watch like this
> one here but with a different band...
> 
> <http://www.blessthisstuff.com/imagens/stuff/seiko-skx009-divers-watch-2.jpg>

I had also considered this one for diving, as an "Automatic" 
(mechanical self-winder) would similarly not need to be opened.

Ironically, I passed over it because it has "too many" features,
namely that it has day-of-week as well as date, which makes it 
a bit more of a nuisance to keep properly set.  As it stands,
the Citizen I have now has date function, which still needs 
updates five times per year (Feb, April, June, Sept, Nov), so
it isn't quite as "low maintenance" as some other devices are
(eg, dive computers).  


-hh

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#286761

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 10:28:05 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
> Steve Carroll wrote:
> > DFS wrote:
> > > Steve Carroll wrote:
> > > > Steve Carroll wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > [...]
> > > I'd love to have one, but at $549 to $1099 I'll pass, and wear
> > > my Victorinox (bday gift), or my Fossil, or my Kenneth Cole, 
> > > or my Casio analog, or my Casio digital.
> > > 
> > > I haven't put any of them on in about a year.  They bug
> > > me, like you said.
> > 
> > I actually tried... never was able to without being overly
> > conscious of it.
> > 
> > > >> The only watches I ever purchased ... The two on the left
> > > >>  were purchased solely for backpacking. I found I can't
> > > >> really wear a watch for some reason, just bugs the hell
> > > >> outta me. I used to be a goldsmith long ago and was one
> > > >> of the very few I knew that never wore jewelry (aside
> > > >> from a wedding ring).
> > > >
> > > > I guess I shoulda put in the link, huh? ;)
> > > >
> > > > http://home.comcast.net/~fretwizz/watch-collection.jpg
> > > 
> > > 
> > > You bought the Breitling?  Aren't those multiple $thousands?
> > 
> > Yeah, several thousands! I have guitars that are worth more
> > and I actually play those. LOL!
> 
> The real ones are.  

This is real one. I once was a goldsmith in the bay area and I had a number of reputable sources for stuff at wholesale. It was my first "real" job,  at the now defunct Berman Manufacturing (which is right near where George Graves of used to live). I then began a partnership with a guy I met at Berman's. For a time we worked out of a cool location in my home town (minutes from where I grew up):

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Los-Altos/lescaut-jewelry-inc/40461067.aspx

Wanda Martin, the lady who leased the storefront, was the mother of a guy who went to the same high school I did (she didn't know that) and when my partner moved away she started hitting on me. Being young (~20) I was weirded out by her sudden change so I moved on before too long.

> Unfortunately, there's also several brands
> for which there's become an entire industry to go make fakes.
> Case in point, here's some admitted look-alikes of Breitling's:
> 
> <http://www.watch-superior.com/B13355-35089.html>
> <http://www.watch-superior.com/B13355-55307.html>
> <http://www.watch-superior.com/D13355-73908.html>
> 
> And FYI, these knock-offs even include the nice paperwork too:
> <http://www.watch-superior.com/Breitling-16013-22642.html>

Insane!

> FWIW, I'm reminded of a guy who used to brag on Usenet at
> length about his expensive Rolex ... and (eventually) how 
> he got it for such an incredible price when he was in 
> Hong Kong (from a random street corner, no doubt)..which is
> quite obviously a clue.  

Hmmm, I guess this can be seen as a form of bragging, I certainly didn't have to include it in the pic as I wasn't talking about it, but it was right in the drawer next to the other 2 and I just took a pic of all of them <hanging head in shame>. 


> > The watch in the middle has the wheel I was talking about, 
> > I really should have opened it so you could see that aspect
> > better. Last time I put a battery in it the thing still 
> > worked (same for the one on the left).
> 
> Casio has had a lot of neat ideas over the years; 

I've worn that middle watch more than any of them and I've only used it for backpacking, which gives you an idea of how often I wear them.

> I've had 
> a plethora of Casio's over the years; my biggest 'complaint' 
> about them was that my application was for scuba diving and 
> in order to make sure that they really were waterproof after 
> a battery change, I found that nothing less than Casio Factory 
> Service would suffice:  any time that I'd have a jeweler (or
> DIY) do a swap, they'd flood.  This was fine for as long
> as Casio had a local service center which did this, but they
> eventually changed to a send-out service and turn-around was
> around 2-3 weeks, which became a hassle when one wouldn't get
> to that resolution of checking out dive gear until an equal
> number of weeks before a trip only to find a dead battery.
> Since then, I've changed over to solar-based dive watches,
> which "never" needs to be opened.   

Good idea. 

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#286786

Steve Carroll wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> > Steve Carroll wrote:
> > > DFS wrote:
> > > > Steve Carroll wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > http://home.comcast.net/~fretwizz/watch-collection.jpg
> > > > You bought the Breitling?  Aren't those multiple $thousands?
> > > Yeah...
> > 
> > The real ones are.  
> 
> This is real one. I once was a goldsmith in the bay area and
> I had a number of reputable sources for stuff at wholesale. 
> It was my first "real" job,  at the now defunct Berman 
> Manufacturing (which is right near where George Graves of
> used to live). I then began a partnership with a guy I met 
> at Berman's. For a time we worked out of a cool location in 
> my home town (minutes from where I grew up):
> 
> <http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Los-Altos/lescaut-jewelry-inc/40461067.aspx>

Cool stuff.  
 
> Wanda Martin...Being young...

TMI!!

 
> > Unfortunately, there's also several brands
> > for which there's become an entire industry to go make fakes.
> > Case in point, here's some admitted look-alikes of Breitling's:
> > 
> > <http://www.watch-superior.com/B13355-35089.html>
> > <http://www.watch-superior.com/B13355-55307.html>
> > <http://www.watch-superior.com/D13355-73908.html>
> > 
> > And FYI, these knock-offs even include the nice paperwork too:
> > <http://www.watch-superior.com/Breitling-16013-22642.html>
> 
> Insane!

Not by today's standards:  stuff like fake watches and 
fake designer purses have been on street corners for decades. 
What's starting to get insane are that the fakes of entire
automobiles, some of which have gotten better & better.
(Here's some older news stories of some not-so-good fakes):

<http://www.imaginelifestyles.com/luxuryliving/2011/06/fake-lamborghini-china-confiscated>
<http://www.wired.com/2011/01/st_counterfeitcars/>
<http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1085935_spanish-police-bust-fake-ferrari-racket> 
<http://www.complex.com/sports/2013/10/fake-ferrari-replicas/#/toyota-mr2-3>
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2864799/The-great-Chinese-fakeaway-China-s-ripping-iconic-designs-flogging-fraction-price.html>
<http://www.topgear.com/au/photos/fake-cars-of-beijing-2012>
 
> > FWIW, I'm reminded of a guy who used to brag on Usenet at
> > length about his expensive Rolex ... and (eventually) how 
> > he got it for such an incredible price when he was in 
> > Hong Kong (from a random street corner, no doubt)..which is
> > quite obviously a clue.  
> 
> Hmmm, I guess this can be seen as a form of bragging, I 
> certainly didn't have to include it in the pic as I wasn't 
> talking about it, but it was right in the drawer next to the
> other 2 and I just took a pic of all of them <hanging head in shame>. 

I didn't recall you ever mentioning the goldsmithing before, and 
it was more the case that it seemed so far seemingly out of line
with the others, even though your comment of not wearing a watch 
on a daily basis (but while hiking) does makes sense of the gap.  

> > > The watch in the middle has the wheel I was talking about, 
> > > I really should have opened it so you could see that aspect
> > > better. Last time I put a battery in it the thing still 
> > > worked (same for the one on the left).
> > 
> > Casio has had a lot of neat ideas over the years; 
> 
> I've worn that middle watch more than any of them and I've 
> only used it for backpacking, which gives you an idea of 
> how often I wear them.

Understood.

 
> > I've had 
> > a plethora of Casio's over the years; my biggest 'complaint' 
> > about them was that my application was for scuba diving and 
> > in order to make sure that they really were waterproof after 
> > a battery change, I found that nothing less than Casio Factory 
> > Service would suffice:  any time that I'd have a jeweler (or
> > DIY) do a swap, they'd flood.  This was fine for as long
> > as Casio had a local service center which did this, but they
> > eventually changed to a send-out service and turn-around was
> > around 2-3 weeks, which became a hassle when one wouldn't get
> > to that resolution of checking out dive gear until an equal
> > number of weeks before a trip only to find a dead battery.
> > Since then, I've changed over to solar-based dive watches,
> > which "never" needs to be opened.   
> 
> Good idea.

So far so good; now that summer is coming, it will get another 
saltwater workout ... just have to go pick up a replacement
dive light, as the current one tanked over the winter (left 
batteries in it, which leaked).  Its's the second device which
I've found recently which was trashed from leaking Duracells,
which is surprising...have to wonder if its perhaps due to a 
change in chemical formulation of the batteries?    


-hh

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#286810

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message 
news:e4765a90-71ee-4a1a-90b8-a9e9f7af9d6d@googlegroups.com...
> Steve Carroll wrote:
>> >
>> > And FYI, these knock-offs even include the nice paperwork too:
>> > <http://www.watch-superior.com/Breitling-16013-22642.html>
>>
>> Insane!
>
> Not by today's standards:  stuff like fake watches and
> fake designer purses have been on street corners for decades.
> What's starting to get insane are that the fakes of entire
> automobiles, some of which have gotten better & better.
> (Here's some older news stories of some not-so-good fakes):
>
> <http://www.imaginelifestyles.com/luxuryliving/2011/06/fake-lamborghini-china-confiscated>
> <http://www.wired.com/2011/01/st_counterfeitcars/>
> <http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1085935_spanish-police-bust-fake-ferrari-racket>
> <http://www.complex.com/sports/2013/10/fake-ferrari-replicas/#/toyota-mr2-3>
> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2864799/The-great-Chinese-fakeaway-China-s-ripping-iconic-designs-flogging-fraction-price.html>
> <http://www.topgear.com/au/photos/fake-cars-of-beijing-2012>
>

Anything and everything is being counterfeited. For the longest time gold 
coins (American Gold Eagles) were a safe bet but now there's even fake 
bullion that's out there.

Even devices (Gold Coin Balance) that for years were a simple test for 
authenticity can now be fooled by these counterfeit coins. Real American 
Gold Eagles still pass the "ping test" which appears to be the only personal 
device remaining that can tell a real from a fake.


<quote>
New Counterfeit Bullion in the Diamond District?
29 January, 2014

Recently, we had a counterfeit American Gold Eagle (official bullion coin of 
the United States) come into our storefront. By using our expert assaying 
techniques, we found that the coin was actually gold-plated tungsten. Since 
tungsten and gold weigh the same, these types of counterfeits can be 
difficult to detect.
</quote>

http://www.mgsrefining.com/blog/post/2014/01/29/New-Counterfeit-Bullion-in-the-Diamond-District.aspx



<quote>
NEWS FLASH!!!
Goldcoinbalance.com has discovered a fake Gold Eagle one ounce that passes 
the tests for weight, size and thickness. Our GoldCoinBalance Guarantee has 
always stated that we would pay the spot gold price for any gold coin that 
passes all three tests of the GoldCoinBalance. We were so confident in our 
product's ability to spot the fakes we offered this guarantee. However, we 
recently received a coin and letter from a customer who had purchased a Gold 
Coin that passed the tests, but was a FAKE Tungsten Coin. So unfortunately, 
we can no longer buy Kugerrands or American Eagle Gold Coins that pass the 
Goldcoinbalance tests. Someone is making Tungsten core fake coins that do 
pass the test!!! Buyer Beware!!


Here is the letter we received from a customer

Dear Jared,

"First let me say the Gold Coin Balance is a great tool and has helped to 
easily identify over 10 gold coins as real in just a few seconds. It has 
also helped me to identify 3 fakes along the way too. The tool has saved me 
from being scammed for over $3,500. The reason I am sending this 2003 
American Gold Eagle to you is because it passed all 3 tests on the Gold Coin 
Balance, but still does not look 100% correct.
</quote>
http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?66683-Fake-2003-Gold-American-Eagle-%28Tungsten-Core%29




-- 
"I have a BSEE.... Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining 
stability" is not one of them. Just the opposite, in fact."
The turdv idiot and his pretend BSEE degree.


"To make systems stable, we use Negative Feedback"
MIT - http://web.mit.edu/jamwno/Public/UAT/Jim_Feedback.ppt


"Since it's hard to make the op-amp gain stable over all operating 
conditions *negative feedback* is used to **stabilize** the op-amp"
MIT - http://www.mit.edu/~godoy/6098/study/review_all.pdf


"Negative feedback is a central concept in the design of linear amplifiers. 
It enables them to be designed with predictable, precise and **stable** 
performance."
Oxford University - 
http://www-teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk/practical_course/ELManCh14.pdf


"Black used negative feedback, which reduces the gain but makes the 
amplifier insensitive to variations in tube characteristics. This invention 
made it possible to build *stable* amplifiers with linear 
characteristics..."
Princeton University - http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s9493.pdf


<quote>
(Caltech)
Negative Feedback
A major breakthrough was invention of the feedback amplifier in 1927 by 
Harold S. Black. Black used negative feedback which reduces the gain but 
makes the amplifier very insensitive to variations in tube characteristics. 
This invention made it possible to build **stable amplifiers** with linear 
characteristics.


Positive Feedback
In a system with positive feedback, the increase in some variable or signal 
leads to a situation in which that quantify is further through its dynamics. 
This has a **destabilizing** effect and is usually accompanied by a 
saturation that limits the growth of the quantity.
</quote>
http://www.cds.caltech.edu/~murray/books/AM05/pdf/am06-complete_16Sep06.pdf




<quote>
If we introduce positive, or regenerative, feedback into an amplifier 
circuit, it has the tendency of creating and sustaining oscillations.

Negative feedback, on the other hand, has a "dampening" effect on an 
amplifier. While positive feedback drives an amplifier circuit toward a 
point of instability (oscillations), negative feedback drives it the 
opposite direction: toward a point of stability.
</quote>
http://openbookproject.net/electricCircuits/Semi/SEMI_4.html#xtocid209015


<quote>
OSCILLATORS

We have already talked about FEEDBACK in terms of NEGATIVE FEEDBACK to 
stabilize a circuit. We will now cover a new term called POSITIVE FEEDBACK - 
it changes the performance of circuit completely. It makes the circuit 
OSCILLATE. Negative feedback "kills" a circuits performance - positive 
feedback makes it oscillate.
</quote>
http://www.talkingelectronics.com/projects/TheTransistorAmplifier/TheTransistorAmplifier-P1.html

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#286811

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 12:35:20 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
> Steve Carroll wrote:
> > -hh wrote:
> > > Steve Carroll wrote:
> > > > DFS wrote:
> > > > > Steve Carroll wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > http://home.comcast.net/~fretwizz/watch-collection.jpg
> > > > > You bought the Breitling?  Aren't those multiple $thousands?
> > > > Yeah...
> > > 
> > > The real ones are.  
> > 
> > This is real one. I once was a goldsmith in the bay area and
> > I had a number of reputable sources for stuff at wholesale. 
> > It was my first "real" job,  at the now defunct Berman 
> > Manufacturing (which is right near where George Graves of
> > used to live). I then began a partnership with a guy I met 
> > at Berman's. For a time we worked out of a cool location in 
> > my home town (minutes from where I grew up):
> > 
> > <http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Los-Altos/lescaut-jewelry-inc/40461067.aspx>
> 
> Cool stuff.  
>  
> > Wanda Martin...Being young...
> 
> TMI!!

I thought so at the time ;)

  
> > > Unfortunately, there's also several brands
> > > for which there's become an entire industry to go make fakes.
> > > Case in point, here's some admitted look-alikes of Breitling's:
> > > 
> > > <http://www.watch-superior.com/B13355-35089.html>
> > > <http://www.watch-superior.com/B13355-55307.html>
> > > <http://www.watch-superior.com/D13355-73908.html>
> > > 
> > > And FYI, these knock-offs even include the nice paperwork too:
> > > <http://www.watch-superior.com/Breitling-16013-22642.html>
> > 
> > Insane!
> 
> Not by today's standards:  stuff like fake watches and 
> fake designer purses have been on street corners for decades. 

Yeah but the (apparent) quality is amazing.

> What's starting to get insane are that the fakes of entire
> automobiles, some of which have gotten better & better.
> (Here's some older news stories of some not-so-good fakes):
> 
> <http://www.imaginelifestyles.com/luxuryliving/2011/06/fake-lamborghini-china-confiscated>
> <http://www.wired.com/2011/01/st_counterfeitcars/>
> <http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1085935_spanish-police-bust-fake-ferrari-racket> 
> <http://www.complex.com/sports/2013/10/fake-ferrari-replicas/#/toyota-mr2-3>
> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2864799/The-great-Chinese-fakeaway-China-s-ripping-iconic-designs-flogging-fraction-price.html>
> <http://www.topgear.com/au/photos/fake-cars-of-beijing-2012>

Crazy stuff.

> > > FWIW, I'm reminded of a guy who used to brag on Usenet at
> > > length about his expensive Rolex ... and (eventually) how 
> > > he got it for such an incredible price when he was in 
> > > Hong Kong (from a random street corner, no doubt)..which is
> > > quite obviously a clue.  
> > 
> > Hmmm, I guess this can be seen as a form of bragging, I 
> > certainly didn't have to include it in the pic as I wasn't 
> > talking about it, but it was right in the drawer next to the
> > other 2 and I just took a pic of all of them <hanging head in shame>. 
> 
> I didn't recall you ever mentioning the goldsmithing before, 

It was so long ago I may not have. Perhaps you remember those arguments I had with ZnU about gold? Learning about it in that industry is why I hold the position I do.

> and 
> it was more the case that it seemed so far seemingly out of line
> with the others, even though your comment of not wearing a watch 
> on a daily basis (but while hiking) does makes sense of the gap.  

DFS mentioned cost, you then mentioned fakes... mine is real but I got it wholesale... which is why I mentioned my tie to the jewelry business. If I had half a brain I'd go back into that line of work.

> > > > The watch in the middle has the wheel I was talking about, 
> > > > I really should have opened it so you could see that aspect
> > > > better. Last time I put a battery in it the thing still 
> > > > worked (same for the one on the left).
> > > 
> > > Casio has had a lot of neat ideas over the years; 
> > 
> > I've worn that middle watch more than any of them and I've 
> > only used it for backpacking, which gives you an idea of 
> > how often I wear them.
> 
> Understood.
> 
>  
> > > I've had 
> > > a plethora of Casio's over the years; my biggest 'complaint' 
> > > about them was that my application was for scuba diving and 
> > > in order to make sure that they really were waterproof after 
> > > a battery change, I found that nothing less than Casio Factory 
> > > Service would suffice:  any time that I'd have a jeweler (or
> > > DIY) do a swap, they'd flood.  This was fine for as long
> > > as Casio had a local service center which did this, but they
> > > eventually changed to a send-out service and turn-around was
> > > around 2-3 weeks, which became a hassle when one wouldn't get
> > > to that resolution of checking out dive gear until an equal
> > > number of weeks before a trip only to find a dead battery.
> > > Since then, I've changed over to solar-based dive watches,
> > > which "never" needs to be opened.   
> > 
> > Good idea.
> 
> So far so good; now that summer is coming, it will get another 
> saltwater workout ... just have to go pick up a replacement
> dive light, as the current one tanked over the winter (left 
> batteries in it, which leaked).  Its's the second device which
> I've found recently which was trashed from leaking Duracells,
> which is surprising...have to wonder if its perhaps due to a 
> change in chemical formulation of the batteries?    

A bit of a different thing here (different kind of battery) I had that happen with a GPS unit using  Duracell AAs. 

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#286873

Steve Carroll wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> > Steve Carroll wrote:
> > > 
> > > Wanda Martin...Being young...
> > 
> > TMI!!
> 
> I thought so at the time ;)

Reminds me of a quip I saw awhile back ... was something along the lines
of "getting older, our age difference isn't as creepy" - - mentioned it to
a visiting buddy .. he broke up laughing  - and then I realized that his GF
was only in her 30's...(whoops!)
   
> > ...stuff like fake watches and 
> > fake designer purses have been on street corners for decades. 
> 
> Yeah but the (apparent) quality is amazing.

At least on the outside, although with the gold coin info that Ezekiel
posted, someone clearly went through great lengths there.   
 
 
> > I didn't recall you ever mentioning the goldsmithing before, 
> 
> It was so long ago I may not have. Perhaps you remember those arguments
> I had with ZnU about gold? Learning about it in that industry is why I hold
> the position I do.

A couple of deeper searches turned up a few posts...circa 2005-6.  That 
was quite awhile ago and if I did read it, it escaped from memory.  No worries.

 
> > and 
> > it was more the case that it seemed so far seemingly out of line
> > with the others, even though your comment of not wearing a watch 
> > on a daily basis (but while hiking) does makes sense of the gap.  
> 
> DFS mentioned cost, you then mentioned fakes... mine is real but I 
> got it wholesale... which is why I mentioned my tie to the jewelry business. 
> If I had half a brain I'd go back into that line of work.

Well, if you don't mind the Union Square district, there's Lang's

<http://www.langantiques.com>

And ... kicking myself ... just realized that I was in SF last summer and
had some free time such that I could have actually stopped by their shop.

 
> > So far so good; now that summer is coming, it will get another 
> > saltwater workout ... just have to go pick up a replacement
> > dive light, as the current one tanked over the winter (left 
> > batteries in it, which leaked).  Its's the second device which
> > I've found recently which was trashed from leaking Duracells,
> > which is surprising...have to wonder if its perhaps due to a 
> > change in chemical formulation of the batteries?    
> 
> A bit of a different thing here (different kind of battery) I had that 
> happen with a GPS unit using  Duracell AAs.

Actually, both of mine were also AA's (and Duracell's) ... hmm ...


-hh

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#286877

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:18:38 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
> Steve Carroll wrote:
> > -hh wrote:
> > > Steve Carroll wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Wanda Martin...Being young...
> > > 
> > > TMI!!
> > 
> > I thought so at the time ;)
> 
> Reminds me of a quip I saw awhile back ... was something along the lines
> of "getting older, our age difference isn't as creepy" - - mentioned it to
> a visiting buddy .. he broke up laughing  - and then I realized that his GF
> was only in her 30's...(whoops!)

LOL! 

This lady was in her late 40s - early 50s and wasn't exactly MILF material.

> > > ...stuff like fake watches and 
> > > fake designer purses have been on street corners for decades. 
> > 
> > Yeah but the (apparent) quality is amazing.
> 
> At least on the outside, although with the gold coin info that Ezekiel
> posted, someone clearly went through great lengths there.   
>  
>  
> > > I didn't recall you ever mentioning the goldsmithing before, 
> > 
> > It was so long ago I may not have. Perhaps you remember those arguments
> > I had with ZnU about gold? Learning about it in that industry is why I hold
> > the position I do.
> 
> A couple of deeper searches turned up a few posts...circa 2005-6.  That 
> was quite awhile ago and if I did read it, it escaped from memory.  No worries.
> 
>  
> > > and 
> > > it was more the case that it seemed so far seemingly out of line
> > > with the others, even though your comment of not wearing a watch 
> > > on a daily basis (but while hiking) does makes sense of the gap.  
> > 
> > DFS mentioned cost, you then mentioned fakes... mine is real but I 
> > got it wholesale... which is why I mentioned my tie to the jewelry business. 
> > If I had half a brain I'd go back into that line of work.
> 
> Well, if you don't mind the Union Square district, there's Lang's
> 
> <http://www.langantiques.com>

I live in Colorado now, remember?  Weren't you stationed here at one point? I seem to recall you were back when Snit was threatening to contact your CO.

> And ... kicking myself ... just realized that I was in SF last summer and
> had some free time such that I could have actually stopped by their shop.

Very cool! Our shop in Los Altos looked almost that nice (their lighting is better).

> > > So far so good; now that summer is coming, it will get another 
> > > saltwater workout ... just have to go pick up a replacement
> > > dive light, as the current one tanked over the winter (left 
> > > batteries in it, which leaked).  Its's the second device which
> > > I've found recently which was trashed from leaking Duracells,
> > > which is surprising...have to wonder if its perhaps due to a 
> > > change in chemical formulation of the batteries?    
> > 
> > A bit of a different thing here (different kind of battery) I had that 
> > happen with a GPS unit using  Duracell AAs.
> 
> Actually, both of mine were also AA's (and Duracell's) ... hmm ...


I don't dive but, for some reason, I can't picture AAs in a dive light.

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#286901

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 8:35:06 PM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:18:38 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
> > Steve Carroll wrote:
> > > 
> > > DFS mentioned cost, you then mentioned fakes... mine is real but I 
> > > got it wholesale... which is why I mentioned my tie to the jewelry business. 
> > > If I had half a brain I'd go back into that line of work.
> > 
> > Well, if you don't mind the Union Square district, there's Lang's
> > 
> > <http://www.langantiques.com>
> 
> I live in Colorado now, remember?  

Yes, which is why I said "don't mind ... Union Square ...":  that's a long commute.


> Weren't you stationed here at one point?

Nope. 


> I seem to recall you were back when Snit was threatening to contact your CO.

Granted, that _was_ what Glasser was threatening, but that doesn't mean he was correct.

 
> > And ... kicking myself ... just realized that I was in SF last summer and
> > had some free time such that I could have actually stopped by their shop.
> 
> Very cool! Our shop in Los Altos looked almost that nice (their lighting is better).

Well, even where you're at in CO, you could probably if you wanted to, set up 
a bench and then work on commissions to places like Langs on authorized 
reproductions of antique pieces.   For example, to go replicate a current or
even previously sold pieces such as the below for a suitably interested customer:

<http://www.langantiques.com/products/item/20-1-4219>

 
> > > > So far so good; now that summer is coming, it will get another 
> > > > saltwater workout ... just have to go pick up a replacement
> > > > dive light, as the current one tanked over the winter (left 
> > > > batteries in it, which leaked).  Its's the second device which
> > > > I've found recently which was trashed from leaking Duracells,
> > > > which is surprising...have to wonder if its perhaps due to a 
> > > > change in chemical formulation of the batteries?    
> > > 
> > > A bit of a different thing here (different kind of battery) I had that 
> > > happen with a GPS unit using  Duracell AAs.
> > 
> > Actually, both of mine were also AA's (and Duracell's) ... hmm ...
> 
> I don't dive but, for some reason, I can't picture AAs in a dive light.

Dive lights come in different sizes and this one is a considered to be a
(small) "secondary" light:

<http://www.uwkinetics.com/products/mini-q40-eled-plus#.VRoBILp9qBU>

However, a lot depends on what it is you're doing and where you're at.  
While you will want to have a huge "portable sun" for diving a local mud hole,
you don't need as much oomph when you're diving in clear tropical waters,
even at night:  in fact, having too big of a light will often scare some of the 
night critters back into hiding, such as this Mantis Shrimp:

<http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2012/bali/Bali-hh_001.jpg>

As such, it is quite easy to have "too big" of a light and I've found the Q40
sized light to be a pretty good compromise.  My biggest complaint of its
specific design is that it lacks a lanyard attachment on the base end, as I
like to have a light that I can turn it on and tie it off and as it hangs, it then
points straight down - this approach works pretty well for me with my big
UW camera system at night as its a monster which takes two hands...the
light's "splash" down onto the bottom provides enough secondary bouncing
light back up for me to usually be able to compose and take pics without 
needing to turn on the camera strobes' modeling lights on (which are often
way too much light at night).

  
-hh

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#286911

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 8:11:10 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 8:35:06 PM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:18:38 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
> > > Steve Carroll wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > DFS mentioned cost, you then mentioned fakes... mine is real but I 
> > > > got it wholesale... which is why I mentioned my tie to the jewelry business. 
> > > > If I had half a brain I'd go back into that line of work.
> > > 
> > > Well, if you don't mind the Union Square district, there's Lang's
> > > 
> > > <http://www.langantiques.com>
> > 
> > I live in Colorado now, remember?  
> 
> Yes, which is why I said "don't mind ... Union Square ...":  that's a long commute.
> 
> 
> > Weren't you stationed here at one point?
> 
> Nope. 

Or did you live here at one point (for some reason I thought you did)?

> > I seem to recall you were back when Snit was threatening to contact your CO.
> 
> Granted, that _was_ what Glasser was threatening, but that doesn't mean he was correct.

What do you mean by: "doesn't mean he was correct."? You didn't have a CO at that point? Or did he do with you what he did with me, find a person with a similar name as yours and leap to the idea it was you?
 
> > > And ... kicking myself ... just realized that I was in SF last summer and
> > > had some free time such that I could have actually stopped by their shop.
> > 
> > Very cool! Our shop in Los Altos looked almost that nice (their lighting is better).
> 
> Well, even where you're at in CO, you could probably if you wanted to, set up 
> a bench and then work on commissions to places like Langs on authorized 
> reproductions of antique pieces.   For example, to go replicate a current or
> even previously sold pieces such as the below for a suitably interested customer:
> 
> <http://www.langantiques.com/products/item/20-1-4219>

I've got room here to set up a decent work space and I've thought about it before. I still have some hand tools, even have my old Foredom. I'd still need a pickling jug (and ventilation for it), a rolling mill, polishing motor, ultra-sonic, torch equipment and a few other odds and ends. Now that I think about it again... it sounds remarkably work ;)

 
> > > > > So far so good; now that summer is coming, it will get another 
> > > > > saltwater workout ... just have to go pick up a replacement
> > > > > dive light, as the current one tanked over the winter (left 
> > > > > batteries in it, which leaked).  Its's the second device which
> > > > > I've found recently which was trashed from leaking Duracells,
> > > > > which is surprising...have to wonder if its perhaps due to a 
> > > > > change in chemical formulation of the batteries?    
> > > > 
> > > > A bit of a different thing here (different kind of battery) I had that 
> > > > happen with a GPS unit using  Duracell AAs.
> > > 
> > > Actually, both of mine were also AA's (and Duracell's) ... hmm ...
> > 
> > I don't dive but, for some reason, I can't picture AAs in a dive light.
> 
> Dive lights come in different sizes and this one is a considered to be a
> (small) "secondary" light:
> 
> <http://www.uwkinetics.com/products/mini-q40-eled-plus#.VRoBILp9qBU>

I went and looked after your reply earlier and I came across this one... pretty cool.

> However, a lot depends on what it is you're doing and where you're at.  
> While you will want to have a huge "portable sun" for diving a local mud hole,
> you don't need as much oomph when you're diving in clear tropical waters,
> even at night:  in fact, having too big of a light will often scare some of the 
> night critters back into hiding, such as this Mantis Shrimp:
> 
> <http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2012/bali/Bali-hh_001.jpg>

Nice shot! I can see Nic negatively commenting already. LOL!


> As such, it is quite easy to have "too big" of a light and I've found the Q40
> sized light to be a pretty good compromise.  My biggest complaint of its
> specific design is that it lacks a lanyard attachment on the base end, as I
> like to have a light that I can turn it on and tie it off and as it hangs, it then
> points straight down - this approach works pretty well for me with my big
> UW camera system at night as its a monster which takes two hands...the
> light's "splash" down onto the bottom provides enough secondary bouncing
> light back up for me to usually be able to compose and take pics without 
> needing to turn on the camera strobes' modeling lights on (which are often
> way too much light at night).

Seems like a lot of fun when you're taking pics (not that it wouldn't be anyway).

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#286935

Steve Carroll wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> > Steve Carroll wrote:
> > >  -hh wrote:
> > > > Well, if you don't mind the Union Square district, there's Lang's
> > > > <http://www.langantiques.com>
> > > 
> > > I live in Colorado now, remember?  
> > 
> > Yes, which is why I said "don't mind ... Union Square ...":  that's a long commute.
> > 
> > > Weren't you stationed here at one point?
> > 
> > Nope. 
> 
> Or did you live here at one point (for some reason I thought you did)?

That was all Michael talking, not me.  


> > > I seem to recall you were back when Snit was threatening to contact your CO.
> > 
> > Granted, that _was_ what Glasser was threatening, but that doesn't mean he was correct.
> 
> What do you mean by: "doesn't mean he was correct."? You didn't have a CO 
> at that point? Or did he do with you what he did with me, find a person with a
> similar name as yours and leap to the idea it was you?

Obtusity.  The details would be telling, from which Michael could benefit if he were 
to learn...so no details.  Suffice to say that "bubble gum and bailing wire" logic took
some time to actually figure out where various conclusions had been leaped to.  
 

> > Well, even where you're at in CO, you could probably if you wanted to, set up 
> > a bench and then work on commissions to places like Langs on authorized 
> > reproductions of antique pieces.   For example, to go replicate a current or
> > even previously sold pieces such as the below for a suitably interested customer:
> > 
> > <http://www.langantiques.com/products/item/20-1-4219>
> 
> I've got room here to set up a decent work space and I've thought about it before.
> I still have some hand tools, even have my old Foredom. I'd still need a pickling 
> jug (and ventilation for it), a rolling mill, polishing motor, ultra-sonic, torch 
> equipment and a few other odds and ends. Now that I think about it again... it 
> sounds remarkably work ;)

"...remarkably work ;)" ...?  

Remarkably workable, ...or... remarkably like work?   (figurative opposites)


> > > > > A bit of a different thing here (different kind of battery) I had that 
> > > > > happen with a GPS unit using  Duracell AAs.
> > > > 
> > > > Actually, both of mine were also AA's (and Duracell's) ... hmm ...
> > > 
> > > I don't dive but, for some reason, I can't picture AAs in a dive light.
> > 
> > Dive lights come in different sizes and this one is a considered to be a
> > (small) "secondary" light:
> > 
> > <http://www.uwkinetics.com/products/mini-q40-eled-plus#.VRoBILp9qBU>
> 
> I went and looked after your reply earlier and I came across this one... pretty cool.
> 
> > However, a lot depends on what it is you're doing and where you're at.  
> > While you will want to have a huge "portable sun" for diving a local mud hole,
> > you don't need as much oomph when you're diving in clear tropical waters,
> > even at night:  in fact, having too big of a light will often scare some of the 
> > night critters back into hiding, such as this Mantis Shrimp:
> > 
> > <http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2012/bali/Bali-hh_001.jpg>
> 
> Nice shot! I can see Nic negatively commenting already. LOL!

Its an okay shot - can't really see all that much of the critter because they're just
peeking out of their hidey-hold.  What did surprise me about them is that
they're not as "shrimpy" as I was expecting:  they're quite similar in shape -
and big (nearly the size of a slipper lobster (FL Gulf)); for one thats out of its hole,
there's these pics:

<http://www.photo-hh.com/Photos-I/Pages/Bali_2012.html#27>

& a side view (but eyes out of focus..argh!):
<http://www.photo-hh.com/Photos-I/Pages/Bali_2012.html#28>
 
> > As such, it is quite easy to have "too big" of a light and I've found the Q40
> > sized light to be a pretty good compromise...
> 
> Seems like a lot of fun when you're taking pics (not that it wouldn't be anyway).

Having a camera adds some focus/purpose to the sightseeing and helps keep it more
interesting, as well as fostering an interest to learn more into the biology of the critters.

For example, there's a small ~1" univalve mollusk known as the 'Flamingo Tongue", 
which is a photogenic little critter from its a mantle which has a 'leopard spots' pattern
on it.  They're found occasionally on soft corals & fans, usually solo or maybe a pair.
Biologically, one might hear about and thus learn that theres also a 1:10,000 rare 
variant whose markings are different and known as the "fingerprint" pattern:

<http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2013/brac/fingerprintFT-2669.jpg>
So seeing two such rare variants together, adults no less, is ... doubly rare.  

Similarly, they don't care much for sunlight, and I had learned somewhere along the
lines that a favored habitat was the underside of a purple sea fan which had fallen over.  
Was out just swimming along, noticed just such a sea fan laying nearly flat on the sandy 
bottom, and remembered this biology trivia, so I lifted an edge to take a peek:

<http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2013/brac/flamingoT-herd_3064-RAW.jpg>

Such a 'convention' is another quite rare find (9 adults plus juveniles).  Google Image 
Search doesn't seem to have any examples with anything as close to as many living 
specimens in a single image as this (most I've found is ~five on a pic on this page:

<http://www.mousetrapmultimedia.com/virtualcoralreefdive/FILES/DEFENSE/chemToxi.php>


-hh

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#286982

On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 4:47:35 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
> Steve Carroll wrote:
> > -hh wrote:
> > > Steve Carroll wrote:
> > > >  -hh wrote:
> > > > > Well, if you don't mind the Union Square district, there's Lang's
> > > > > <http://www.langantiques.com>
> > > > 
> > > > I live in Colorado now, remember?  
> > > 
> > > Yes, which is why I said "don't mind ... Union Square ...":  that's a long commute.
> > > 
> > > > Weren't you stationed here at one point?
> > > 
> > > Nope. 
> > 
> > Or did you live here at one point (for some reason I thought you did)?
> 
> That was all Michael talking, not me.  
> 
> 
> > > > I seem to recall you were back when Snit was threatening to contact your CO.
> > > 
> > > Granted, that _was_ what Glasser was threatening, but that doesn't mean he was correct.
> > 
> > What do you mean by: "doesn't mean he was correct."? You didn't have a CO 
> > at that point? Or did he do with you what he did with me, find a person with a
> > similar name as yours and leap to the idea it was you?
> 
> Obtusity.  The details would be telling, from which Michael could benefit if he were 
> to learn...so no details.  Suffice to say that "bubble gum and bailing wire" logic took
> some time to actually figure out where various conclusions had been leaped to.  

At the risk of being even more obtuse, surely you're not trying suggest that Mr. 'I'm being stalked' would take things outside of usenet, the very thing he railed against (in one of his early uses of his "psych degree")?   ;)
 
> > > Well, even where you're at in CO, you could probably if you wanted to, set up 
> > > a bench and then work on commissions to places like Langs on authorized 
> > > reproductions of antique pieces.   For example, to go replicate a current or
> > > even previously sold pieces such as the below for a suitably interested customer:
> > > 
> > > <http://www.langantiques.com/products/item/20-1-4219>
> > 
> > I've got room here to set up a decent work space and I've thought about it before.
> > I still have some hand tools, even have my old Foredom. I'd still need a pickling 
> > jug (and ventilation for it), a rolling mill, polishing motor, ultra-sonic, torch 
> > equipment and a few other odds and ends. Now that I think about it again... it 
> > sounds remarkably work ;)
> 
> "...remarkably work ;)" ...?  

Apparently it was too much work to just write about it.

> Remarkably workable, ...or... remarkably like work?   (figurative opposites)
> 
> 
> > > > > > A bit of a different thing here (different kind of battery) I had that 
> > > > > > happen with a GPS unit using  Duracell AAs.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Actually, both of mine were also AA's (and Duracell's) ... hmm ...
> > > > 
> > > > I don't dive but, for some reason, I can't picture AAs in a dive light.
> > > 
> > > Dive lights come in different sizes and this one is a considered to be a
> > > (small) "secondary" light:
> > > 
> > > <http://www.uwkinetics.com/products/mini-q40-eled-plus#.VRoBILp9qBU>
> > 
> > I went and looked after your reply earlier and I came across this one... pretty cool.
> > 
> > > However, a lot depends on what it is you're doing and where you're at.  
> > > While you will want to have a huge "portable sun" for diving a local mud hole,
> > > you don't need as much oomph when you're diving in clear tropical waters,
> > > even at night:  in fact, having too big of a light will often scare some of the 
> > > night critters back into hiding, such as this Mantis Shrimp:
> > > 
> > > <http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2012/bali/Bali-hh_001.jpg>
> > 
> > Nice shot! I can see Nic negatively commenting already. LOL!
> 
> Its an okay shot - can't really see all that much of the critter because they're just
> peeking out of their hidey-hold. 

While the background colors aren't as vivid as some of the others in your gallery (due to the use of the light's focus - say, compared to IMG_0792), that's actually the thing I like about it.

> What did surprise me about them is that
> they're not as "shrimpy" as I was expecting:  they're quite similar in shape -
> and big (nearly the size of a slipper lobster (FL Gulf)); for one thats out of its hole,
> there's these pics:
> 
> <http://www.photo-hh.com/Photos-I/Pages/Bali_2012.html#27>
> 
> & a side view (but eyes out of focus..argh!):
> <http://www.photo-hh.com/Photos-I/Pages/Bali_2012.html#28>
>  
> > > As such, it is quite easy to have "too big" of a light and I've found the Q40
> > > sized light to be a pretty good compromise...
> > 
> > Seems like a lot of fun when you're taking pics (not that it wouldn't be anyway).
> 
> Having a camera adds some focus/purpose to the sightseeing and helps keep it more
> interesting, as well as fostering an interest to learn more into the biology of the critters.
> 
> For example, there's a small ~1" univalve mollusk known as the 'Flamingo Tongue", 
> which is a photogenic little critter from its a mantle which has a 'leopard spots' pattern
> on it.  They're found occasionally on soft corals & fans, usually solo or maybe a pair.
> Biologically, one might hear about and thus learn that theres also a 1:10,000 rare 
> variant whose markings are different and known as the "fingerprint" pattern:
> 
> <http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2013/brac/fingerprintFT-2669.jpg>
> So seeing two such rare variants together, adults no less, is ... doubly rare.  

I really like that shot.


> Similarly, they don't care much for sunlight, and I had learned somewhere along the
> lines that a favored habitat was the underside of a purple sea fan which had fallen over.  
> Was out just swimming along, noticed just such a sea fan laying nearly flat on the sandy 
> bottom, and remembered this biology trivia, so I lifted an edge to take a peek:
> 
> <http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2013/brac/flamingoT-herd_3064-RAW.jpg>

Sorta looks like a breakfast cereal turning bad.


> Such a 'convention' is another quite rare find (9 adults plus juveniles).  Google Image 
> Search doesn't seem to have any examples with anything as close to as many living 
> specimens in a single image as this (most I've found is ~five on a pic on this page:
> 
> <http://www.mousetrapmultimedia.com/virtualcoralreefdive/FILES/DEFENSE/chemToxi.php>


Dude, your gallery is killer... these stuck out for me:

IMG_0792, IMG_1799, IMG_1009, IMG_9983, IMG_9813

Before I got to the end I was thinking... 'I wonder if he ever does video'... and then I saw the them (they were *really* slow to load, though). Sound propagates pretty well through water but the video camera still needs decent capability. What vid-cam are you using for that? 

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#286990

Steve Carroll wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> > 
> > Its an okay shot - can't really see all that much of the
> > critter because they're just peeking out of their hidey-hold. 
> 
> While the background colors aren't as vivid as some of the 
> others in your gallery (due to the use of the light's focus
> - say, compared to IMG_0792), that's actually the thing I like
> about it.

Understood/agreed;that highlighting is what I like about it too.


> > Biologically...rare variant..."fingerprint" pattern:
> > 
> > <http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2013/brac/fingerprintFT-2669.jpg>
> > ...
> 
> I really like that shot.

It turned out pretty well, considering how I was "standing on 
my head" in 3D space to get the required composition angle.

 
> > Similarly, they don't care much for sunlight...
> > 
> > <http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2013/brac/flamingoT-herd_3064-RAW.jpg>
> 
> Sorta looks like a breakfast cereal turning bad.

Yes, because the purple sea fan they all were on had detatched
and was dying.
 
 
> Dude, your gallery is killer... these stuck out for me:
> 
> IMG_0792, IMG_1799, IMG_1009, IMG_9983, IMG_9813
> 
> Before I got to the end I was thinking... 'I wonder if
> he ever does video'... and then I saw the them (they were
> *really* slow to load, though). Sound propagates pretty
> well through water but the video camera still needs
> decent capability. What vid-cam are you using for that?

Most were taken with a housed Canon 7D, which is a dSLR 
with (somewhat limitations) 1080p video capability.

The exception to the above is IMG_1009, which used a 
compact JVC HD videocam ... I forget the exact model; its 
also 1080p and was sold just before the HERO cams came out.
As can be seen from the image quality, it doesn't take great
stills, but that eel is the only only one of that particular 
species I'd ever seen, and it was tucked into a tiny little 
crevice which I couldn't use the 7D (with WA lens) onto.  

Fortunately, the diving had been good enough that I had
previously decided to lug along both of my UW cameras on 
dives, so as to have both a WA and a Macro setup, even
though there was the compromise in image quality (as seen)
on whichever focal length the JVC happened to be set up for 
for that particular dive.

Even though I've not used the JVC for much, it has paid
for itself well enough .. for eample, if you found the 
Tahiti video, that was all done on the JVC.

(the older Night Manta video was done with a housed P&S 
with some cobbled together lighting ... a Canon A80?)


-hh

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