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  Scientists could improve their game ( qBism [cubism] ). Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-11-24 11:52 -0800
    Re: Scientists could improve their game ( qBism [cubism] ). Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 20:03 +0000
      The cat is both dead and alive ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-11-24 12:20 -0800
        Re: The cat is both dead and alive ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 22:10 +0000
          "The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-11-24 14:30 -0800
            Re: "The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 23:40 +0000
              We're not AllSeeing, AllKnowing gods. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-11-24 18:02 -0800
              Re: "The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 20:13 -0800
            Re: "The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 16:18 -0800
              Re: "The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 00:08 -0800

#479201 — Scientists could improve their game ( qBism [cubism] ).

Scientists could improve their game ( qBism [cubism] );
quantum behavior isn't fully modeled/detected; see:
YouTube.COM/watch?v=LQvCTZgNRNw

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#479206

<Jeff-Relf.Me  @.> wrote:
> Scientists could improve their game ( qBism [cubism] );
> quantum behavior isn't fully modeled/detected; see:
> YouTube.COM/watch?v=LQvCTZgNRNw
> 

Of course scientists could do better. Otherwise it’d be a dead activity. 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#479214 — The cat is both dead and alive ?

Odd_Bodkin replied:
> > Scientists could improve their game ( qBism [cubism] );
> > quantum behavior isn't fully modeled/detected; see:
> > YouTube.COM/watch?v=LQvCTZgNRNw
> 
> Of course scientists could do better.
> Otherwise it’d be a dead activity. 

So why do I keep hearing that "Quantum SuperPosition" is real,
not imaginary ( the cat is both dead and alive ) ?

wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition#Physical_interpretation

" Shut up and calculate " makes no such assumptions, right ?

What interpretation of quantum mechanics says it's real ?

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#479255 — Re: The cat is both dead and alive ?

<Jeff-Relf.Me  @.> wrote:
> Odd_Bodkin replied:
>>> Scientists could improve their game ( qBism [cubism] );
>>> quantum behavior isn't fully modeled/detected; see:
>>> YouTube.COM/watch?v=LQvCTZgNRNw
>> 
>> Of course scientists could do better.
>> Otherwise it’d be a dead activity. 
> 
> So why do I keep hearing that "Quantum SuperPosition" is real,
> not imaginary ( the cat is both dead and alive ) ?
> 
> wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition#Physical_interpretation
> 
> " Shut up and calculate " makes no such assumptions, right ?
> 
> What interpretation of quantum mechanics says it's real ?
> 

Measurements say it’s real. 

This isn’t about interpretation. 

But there are open questions. 

Of course. There’ll always be. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#479264 — "The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit.

Odd_Bodkin replied:
> > What interpretation of quantum mechanics says
> > the cat is both dead and alive ?
> > " Shut up and calculate " makes no such assumptions, right ?
> 
> Measurements say it’s real. 
> This isn’t about interpretation. 

"The lack of measurement" is real, you mean;
it is not known if the cat is dead or alive because 
it's in a "box" ( the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle ).

"The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit.

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#479272 — Re: "The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit.

<Jeff-Relf.Me  @.> wrote:
> Odd_Bodkin replied:
>>> What interpretation of quantum mechanics says
>>> the cat is both dead and alive ?
>>> " Shut up and calculate " makes no such assumptions, right ?
>> 
>> Measurements say it’s real. 
>> This isn’t about interpretation. 
> 
> "The lack of measurement" is real, you mean;
> it is not known if the cat is dead or alive because 
> it's in a "box" ( the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle ).

The measurement is there. Note that you are PRESUMING the “hidden
variables” that are not in fact measured. How is it that you claim those
conditions are in fact there to be measured though they resist measurement?

> 
> "The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit.
> 

And you know this how, exactly? 
Don’t tell me what you belief without basis. Tell me the basis for your
belief in these hidden variables.  



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#479311 — We're not AllSeeing, AllKnowing gods.

Odd_Bodkin replied:
> > "The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit.
> 
> Tell me the basis for your belief in hidden variables.  

What does your "question" ( unfounded accusation ) 
have to do with your (erroneous) claim that we know that 
" The cat is both dead and alive " ? !

What interpretation of QM are you using ?
It ain't " Shut up and calculate ", that's for sure.

All we have are our local observations, nothing more.
Could they tell us what a distant observer is seeing ?

I've no idea.  qBism suggests there's room for improvement,
( see: YouTube.COM/watch?v=LQvCTZgNRNw );
after all, we're not AllSeeing, AllKnowing gods.

   Sure, our ignorance ( not its "randomness" ) is real, 
   -- we don't know if Schrodinger's cat is dead or alive;
   but "Local Realism" (causality) doesn't need our recognition.

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#479325 — Re: "The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit.

On Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 4:40:50 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <Jeff-Relf.Me  @.> wrote:
> > Odd_Bodkin replied:
> >>> What interpretation of quantum mechanics says
> >>> the cat is both dead and alive ?
> >>> " Shut up and calculate " makes no such assumptions, right ?
> >> 
> >> Measurements say it’s real. 
> >> This isn’t about interpretation. 
> > 
> > "The lack of measurement" is real, you mean;
> > it is not known if the cat is dead or alive because 
> > it's in a "box" ( the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle ).
> 
> The measurement is there. Note that you are PRESUMING the “hidden
> variables” that are not in fact measured. How is it that you claim those
> conditions are in fact there to be measured though they resist measurement?
> 
> > 
> > "The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit.
> > 
> 
> And you know this how, exactly? 
> Don’t tell me what you belief without basis. Tell me the basis for your
> belief in these hidden variables.  
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables



Frankly I do not really have any hope. Sandman, AKA Jonas Eklundh can not help but grasp Klaus Schadenfreude knows he is just trolling! What is Sandman, AKA Jonas Eklundh's method for the flooding nonsense? AppleScript? That is the only tool he knows, isn't it? He must be programming it to write these idiotic "attack" garbage posts. Best conjecture, Sandman, AKA Jonas Eklundh took a PGP program that he stole and took credit for... he is feeding it Google Groups data, grabbing hand-picked paragraphs, then altering those using the Baum–Welch method and then he manually posts them because his obsessiveness enables him to do that almost 24/7. Sandman, AKA Jonas Eklundh and Klaus Schadenfreude both lie constantly and shamelessly and continue to do so. So no incentive in showing any further civility or honor. 



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This broke the Internet!!
http://www.5z8.info/boobs_j0v3qo_dont-just-drizzle
Jonas Eklundh Communication

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#479285 — Re: "The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit.

On Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 3:30:49 PM UTC-7, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> Odd_Bodkin replied:
> > > What interpretation of quantum mechanics says
> > > the cat is both dead and alive ?
> > > " Shut up and calculate " makes no such assumptions, right ?
> > 
> > Measurements say it’s real. 
> > This isn’t about interpretation. 
> 
> "The lack of measurement" is real, you mean;
> it is not known if the cat is dead or alive because 
> it's in a "box" ( the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle ).
> 
> "The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit.



When I first posted, I wanted to be unprejudiced and nonjudgemental. I gave Chris Ahlstrom more than a credible person could be expected to. I have a custom setup I use as well, but it's better than yours. 

You are safe as a Ubuntu user can be. 

And you do, of course realize that it isn't impossible for Chris Ahlstrom to be doing this, or getting help from someone with a clue? 

Yup. Unfortunately this is what we have to defeat. Psychopaths who have no reason for being here other than to flood. His desire is to see Klaus Schadenfreude frustrated by the spraying of the groups outside. And hey, that could kill this group. 

What did Chris Ahlstrom have to say about this miraculous, years long string of oddities? Most of the time he would try to push the reader to believe they're real people who just happened to have all the tells of his socks. Makes no sense. It is trivial to distort the truth by focusing on a handful of outliers differing from what is something more common like Ubuntu. What is more important from an advocacy outlook are the ordinary circumstances. 

--
This Trick Gets Women Hot For You
https://youtu.be/GPPqvw8iEBs
Jonas Eklundh Communication

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#479348 — Re: "The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit.

On Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 5:18:30 PM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 3:30:49 PM UTC-7, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> > Odd_Bodkin replied:
> > > > What interpretation of quantum mechanics says
> > > > the cat is both dead and alive ?
> > > > " Shut up and calculate " makes no such assumptions, right ?
> > > 
> > > Measurements say it’s real. 
> > > This isn’t about interpretation. 
> > 
> > "The lack of measurement" is real, you mean;
> > it is not known if the cat is dead or alive because 
> > it's in a "box" ( the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle ).
> > 
> > "The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit.
> 
> 
> 
> When I first posted, I wanted to be unprejudiced and nonjudgemental. I gave Chris Ahlstrom more than a credible person could be expected to. I have a custom setup I use as well, but it's better than yours. 
> 
> You are safe as a Ubuntu user can be. 
> 
> And you do, of course realize that it isn't impossible for Chris Ahlstrom to be doing this, or getting help from someone with a clue? 
> 
> Yup. Unfortunately this is what we have to defeat. Psychopaths who have no reason for being here other than to flood. His desire is to see Klaus Schadenfreude frustrated by the spraying of the groups outside. And hey, that could kill this group. 
> 
> What did Chris Ahlstrom have to say about this miraculous, years long string of oddities? Most of the time he would try to push the reader to believe they're real people who just happened to have all the tells of his socks. Makes no sense. It is trivial to distort the truth by focusing on a handful of outliers differing from what is something more common like Ubuntu. What is more important from an advocacy outlook are the ordinary circumstances. 
> 
> --
> This Trick Gets Women Hot For You
> https://youtu.be/GPPqvw8iEBs
> Jonas Eklundh Communication



For others I would simply think it is dubious. Of course, given that it's Steven Carroll I would ignore that step and go straight to 'lie' because that's most of what he does. IOW, there is no reason to respect presumption of innocence. Seriously, those of you who troll are not able to manage yourselves anymore. I believe we have two different ideas about Steven Carroll. By the way, spending time potentially getting informed is never a waste. Declaring you know more than everyone else and making an effort to persuade people that it is true, as Steven Carroll tries to do? THAT is a waste ;) What is your evidence? 

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