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  Apple has more record earnings Jimmy Neutron <nobody@beta.jpunix.net> - 2014-04-24 09:01 -0400
    Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-24 09:14 -0400
      Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-24 08:31 -0700
    Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-25 19:42 -0500
      Re: Apple has more record earnings 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 20:45 -0400
      Re: Apple has more record earnings Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 17:48 -0700
        Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-25 18:02 -0700
        Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 00:42 -0500
          Re: Apple has more record earnings Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 22:56 -0700
            Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 01:11 -0500
            Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 11:00 -0500
              Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 09:49 -0700
              Re: Apple has more record earnings Sinister Midget <fardblossom@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 20:09 +0000
                Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 13:17 -0700
                Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-26 15:38 -0500
              Re: Apple has more record earnings Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-26 13:12 -0700
                Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 13:16 -0700
                Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 16:26 -0400
                  Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-26 15:39 -0500
                    Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 17:50 -0400
                  Re: Apple has more record earnings Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-26 13:58 -0700
                    Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 17:52 -0400
                      Re: Apple has more record earnings Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 23:59 +0200
                        Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-27 01:01 +0200
                          Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 21:19 -0400
                            Re: Apple has more record earnings chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 07:34 -0500
                      Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-26 19:19 -0600
                    Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 17:11 -0500
                Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 17:07 -0500
                  Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-26 17:36 -0500
                    Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-27 01:00 +0200
                      Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 17:26 -0700
                      Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 19:44 -0500
                        Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 18:06 -0700
                      Re: Apple has more record earnings William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-04-27 09:52 +0100
                    Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 21:20 -0400
                      Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 18:26 -0700
                        Re: Apple has more record earnings "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2014-04-27 22:21 +0200
                          Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 13:23 -0700
                  Re: Apple has more record earnings Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-26 16:00 -0700
                    Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 19:29 -0500
                      Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 17:43 -0700
          Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-27 18:45 -0700
      Re: Apple has more record earnings Richard Starkey <nobody@ringo.jpunix.net> - 2014-04-26 02:44 -0400
        Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 08:15 -0500
          Re: Apple has more record earnings William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-04-26 14:21 +0100
            Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 10:24 -0500
              Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 09:50 -0700
            Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 09:47 -0700
            Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-26 13:11 -0400
              Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 10:24 -0700
              Re: Apple has more record earnings Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 23:53 +0200
                Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-27 00:07 +0200
                  Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-26 17:35 -0500
                    Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-27 00:57 +0200
                      Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 19:56 -0500
                        Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 18:06 -0700
                      Re: Apple has more record earnings RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 01:24 +0000
                        Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 18:26 -0700
                        Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 21:27 -0400
                          Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 18:37 -0700
                            To get -your- job done, buy a PC.  Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2014-04-26 19:07 -0700
                              Re: To get -your- job done, buy a PC.  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 19:11 -0700
                                Re: To get -your- job done, buy a PC. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 20:26 -0700
                      Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-27 11:19 -0400
                        Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-27 17:46 +0200
                          Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 09:30 -0700
                          Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-27 12:46 -0400
                          Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-27 13:39 -0500
                          Re: Apple has more record earnings "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2014-04-27 22:30 +0200
                            Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 13:35 -0700
                              Re: Apple has more record earnings Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 14:41 -0700
                          Re: Apple has more record earnings Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 15:51 +0200
                            Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 16:00 +0200
                              Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 12:20 -0400
                                Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 11:21 -0600
                                  Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 13:33 -0400
                                    Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 12:08 -0600
                                      Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 21:03 +0200
                                        Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 13:27 -0600
                                        Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 17:35 -0400
                                          Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-28 14:49 -0700
                                          Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 23:53 +0200
                                            Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 18:11 -0400
                                      Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 17:28 -0400
                              Re: Apple has more record earnings William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-04-28 22:47 +0100
                                Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 18:04 -0400
                        Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-27 13:37 -0500
                          Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 12:33 -0700
                      Re: Apple has more record earnings DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-27 19:39 -0400
                        Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 09:14 +0200
                          Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-28 05:46 -0400
                          Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-28 03:37 -0700
                            Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 13:00 +0200
                              Re: Apple has more record earnings DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-28 08:22 -0400
                                Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 14:37 +0200
                                  Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-28 09:25 -0700
                          Re: Apple has more record earnings DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-28 08:22 -0400
                          Re: Apple has more record earnings JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-04-28 13:00 -0500
                            Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-28 12:08 -0700
                            Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-28 18:05 -0500
                              Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 19:42 -0400
                                Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-28 16:52 -0700
                        Re: Apple has more record earnings Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 15:49 +0200
                          Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 12:11 -0400
                            Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 11:26 -0600
                              Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 13:37 -0400
                                Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-28 10:58 -0700
                                  Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 17:19 -0400
                                    Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-28 14:31 -0700
                                    Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 16:14 -0600
                                      Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 18:28 -0400
                                        Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-29 00:37 +0200
                                          Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 18:44 -0400
                                            Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-29 01:09 +0200
                                              Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 19:52 -0400
                                    Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-29 00:26 +0200
                                      Re: Apple has more record earnings chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-29 06:54 -0500
                                Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 12:11 -0600
                                  Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 17:32 -0400
                                Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-28 12:52 -0700
                              Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-28 14:05 -0700
                                Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 15:11 -0600
                            Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-28 12:51 -0700
                      Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-27 18:56 -0700
                        Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 20:40 -0700
                        Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 08:51 -0400
                  Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 17:31 -0700
                  Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-27 11:13 -0400
                    Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 09:29 -0700
                Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 17:33 -0700
                Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-27 11:06 -0400
                  Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 09:24 -0700
                    Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-27 13:41 -0500
                      Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 12:33 -0700
                      Re: Apple has more record earnings chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 07:59 -0500
          Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 09:50 -0700
      Re: Apple has more record earnings Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2014-04-26 04:12 -0500

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#240700

On 4/28/14, 10:37 AM, in article ljm3lf$9sk$3@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

> On 2014-04-28 1:26 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
> 
>>>> Watch Kohlkopf run. And Slimer with him.
>>> 
>>> What am I running from? You want me to build a MacPro machine for less
>>> than Apple charges? I'm not the one who made the statement that it can
>>> be made for less on the PC side, that was Peter. I was only referring to
>>> the laptop side where PC laptops, at the same price range as what Apple
>>> expects for their high-end models, end up getting much better machines.
>>> I can easily prove that if you so desire.
>>> 
>> I believe that the mac pro has two cpu sockets for the Xeon processor.
>> Those Xeons aren't cheap.  Neither is the mobo in this case for a
>> regular PC.  I don't know if the regular PC comes with the Intel
>> Thunderbolt ports tho or if a card is made for a PC.  Plus the Xeon
>> can come with up to 12 cores each.  I'm happy with just the i7.
>> 
>> On Apple for a developer, the problems start with Apples development
>> tools.  The changes each release are significant enough for one to pull
>> his hair out wondering what changed, and why his earlier program now
>> doesn't work on the new os.  It is one of the reasons I went to windows.
> 
> Poor development tools are but ONE reason to migrate from OS X and
> Apple. The other is the fact that the machines, no matter how good they
> are, suffer from terrible upgrade options. What if you want to change
> the GPUs or the processors? Can you? What about an improved motherboard?
> A PC user doesn't ask these questions because they know that they can
> and that hundreds of different options are constantly at their disposal,
> not just Apple-approved upgrades.

If internal upgrades are a deciding factor for you your point is a valid
one. No doubt. But for most people they never do such updates.


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#240706

GreyCloud wrote:
> 
> I believe that the mac pro has two cpu sockets 
> for the Xeon processor.

The old MP did, but I don't recall reading this 
about the new one ... its possible, but I suspect
possibly not, as Apple isn't offering to sell any
dual-CPU configurations. 

> Those Xeons aren't cheap. 

Plus the future isn't really CPU cores anymore, but
workloading GPUs:  I believe that the age of having
dual CPUs in order to get more cores is coming to a 
close, particularly since Intel now also has a Xeon
with IIRC 12 cores on a single CPU.  

> Neither is the mobo in this case for a regular PC. 
> I don't know if the regular PC comes with the Intel
> Thunderbolt ports tho or if a card is made for a PC. 

There's been some discussion of Intel offering what
would basically be a PCIe expansion card to provide
Thunderbolt onto (some?) legacy motherboards...but 
with the advent of Thunderbolt-2, it is sounding to
be a moot point to a degree:  the real professional
grade alternatives to TB appear to be things like
Fibre Channel, which aren't cheap either.


> On Apple for a developer, the problems start 
> with Apples development tools.  The changes each 
> release are significant enough for one to pull
> his hair out wondering what changed, and why 
> his earlier program now doesn't work on the new os. 
> It is one of the reasons I went to windows.

Indeed; I've even had some longstanding Applescripts 
which are now no longer even compatible with Apple's 
own calendar App which was being used as their scheduler. 
That kind of stuff is basic and simply should not be broken. 


-hh

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#240707

On 4/28/2014 3:05 PM, -hh wrote:
> GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>> I believe that the mac pro has two cpu sockets 
>> for the Xeon processor.
> 
> The old MP did, but I don't recall reading this 
> about the new one ... its possible, but I suspect
> possibly not, as Apple isn't offering to sell any
> dual-CPU configurations. 
> 

I see that Intel offers a 12 core Xeon, so a dual socket mobo isn't needed.

>> Those Xeons aren't cheap. 
> 
> Plus the future isn't really CPU cores anymore, but
> workloading GPUs:  I believe that the age of having
> dual CPUs in order to get more cores is coming to a 
> close, particularly since Intel now also has a Xeon
> with IIRC 12 cores on a single CPU.  
> 

I think that's pretty much the limits on cpu design.  There is only so
far one can take that technology.  The next step, I believe, is quantum
cpus if that ever comes to fruition.
OpenCL seems to fit the bill in getting the gpus to do a lot of the work.

>> Neither is the mobo in this case for a regular PC. 
>> I don't know if the regular PC comes with the Intel
>> Thunderbolt ports tho or if a card is made for a PC. 
> 
> There's been some discussion of Intel offering what
> would basically be a PCIe expansion card to provide
> Thunderbolt onto (some?) legacy motherboards...but 
> with the advent of Thunderbolt-2, it is sounding to
> be a moot point to a degree:  the real professional
> grade alternatives to TB appear to be things like
> Fibre Channel, which aren't cheap either.
> 
> 
>> On Apple for a developer, the problems start 
>> with Apples development tools.  The changes each 
>> release are significant enough for one to pull
>> his hair out wondering what changed, and why 
>> his earlier program now doesn't work on the new os. 
>> It is one of the reasons I went to windows.
> 
> Indeed; I've even had some longstanding Applescripts 
> which are now no longer even compatible with Apple's 
> own calendar App which was being used as their scheduler. 
> That kind of stuff is basic and simply should not be broken. 
> 

Well, Apple will learn in their own way what sells and what really doesn't.
I'm still waiting to see if they'll ever get the bugs out of llvm. I've
seen the Xcode mailing list contain a lot of gripes about the bugs in
llvm lately.

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#240698

On 4/28/14, 9:11 AM, in article ljluk9$5lq$3@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

>>>> Around 2 times as much as a comparable wintel box is "about the same"?
>>> 
>>> Don't play JED-dumb here.
>>> 
>>> Which Apple computer are you referring to?
>>> 
>> 
>> Watch Kohlkopf run. And Slimer with him.
> 
> What am I running from? You want me to build a MacPro machine for less
> than Apple charges? I'm not the one who made the statement that it can
> be made for less on the PC side, that was Peter. I was only referring to
> the laptop side where PC laptops, at the same price range as what Apple
> expects for their high-end models, end up getting much better machines.
> I can easily prove that if you so desire.

By all means do - point to some price comparisons which show this. To be
clear: some comparison made by a non-COLA or CSMA source where they rate two
or more laptops and show the Mac costing more, less, or about the same as
others.


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#240571

 Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
> > Peter Köhlmann said:
> 
> >> Most apple machine *can't* play those games, the hardware is way too
> >> limited for that. And impossible to upgrade. YOu have to buy the machines
> >> with the config needed, you don't get any upgrade posibilities.
> 
> > Utter bullshit Peter.  While Apple puts about zero emphasis on
> > marketing to the gamers, they can and do play many games, including
> > Windows ones, just fine.
> 
> Not as many as linux can, though

Not as many Windows games?  Interesting claim, considering that OS X can 
legally run more emulators (including stuff like Wine) for Windows than Linux can.

In any case, this point is simply trying to score points based on hardware limitations.  The real question is if the _same_ hardware can adequately run said "can't run" game with just a change in OS - - probably not.


 
> >> The laptops are even limited to memory and SSD, you buy them the way and
> >> they *stay* that way. Absolutely horrible if you want more at a later
> >> time, it means buy a new machine
> >
> > As is the case of more and more ultrabooks.  What point are you trying
> > to make and not succeeding?
>
> Learn to read, dim bulb

Oh, this would be a distraction attempt where what Peter wants to avoid is the 
simple fact that RAM and Storage have gotten dirt cheap over the past decade,
and there's really not much good reason to not just buy more RAM upfront.  
 

> > Some more of your bullshit.  You must have a big bucket of it close by.
> 
> No. I have a laptop from apple

And just how ancient is it by now?



> >> Their hardware is good, but not better than many other good hardware
> >> Additionally, they tend to introduce new interfaces which are not
> >> supported even after quite some time by 3rd party, making them very
> >> costly
> >
> > The hardware is excellent and wintel boxes with the better hardware and
> > designs cost about the same, though slightly less.
> 
> Around 2 times as much as a comparable wintel box is "about the same"?

No, but nice straw man attempt anyway.   When a reasonable person makes a
reasonable "equals" comparison, the "Apple Tax" is typically only around 10% variance.

And of course, the pendulum swings both ways:  none of the review/fanboy websites
have yet been able to match the new Mac Pro, let alone beat it by 10%.  


-hh

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#240578

On 4/27/14, 6:56 PM, in article
7a1a8232-5da5-4743-a089-e7f2d639cb0f@googlegroups.com, "-hh"
<recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>>>> Their hardware is good, but not better than many other good hardware
>>>> Additionally, they tend to introduce new interfaces which are not supported
>>>> even after quite some time by 3rd party, making them very costly
>>>> 
>>> The hardware is excellent and wintel boxes with the better hardware and
>>> designs cost about the same, though slightly less.
>>> 
>> Around 2 times as much as a comparable wintel box is "about the same"?
>> 
> No, but nice straw man attempt anyway.   When a reasonable person makes a
> reasonable "equals" comparison, the "Apple Tax" is typically only around 10%
> variance.
> 
> And of course, the pendulum swings both ways:  none of the review/fanboy
> websites have yet been able to match the new Mac Pro, let alone beat it by
> 10%.  

I have not tracked such comparisons in a few years, but in the past Apple
did very well. They were generally deemed less expensive - though to be fair
the comparisons were often done shortly after a new Mac came out when the
bang for the buck compared to the market is the best.


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#240613

On 2014-04-27 9:56 PM, -hh wrote:

>>>> Most apple machine *can't* play those games, the hardware is way too
>>>> limited for that. And impossible to upgrade. YOu have to buy the machines
>>>> with the config needed, you don't get any upgrade posibilities.
>>
>>> Utter bullshit Peter.  While Apple puts about zero emphasis on
>>> marketing to the gamers, they can and do play many games, including
>>> Windows ones, just fine.
>>
>> Not as many as linux can, though
>
> Not as many Windows games?  Interesting claim, considering that OS X can
> legally run more emulators (including stuff like Wine) for Windows than Linux can.
>
> In any case, this point is simply trying to score points based on hardware limitations.  The real question is if the _same_ hardware can adequately run said "can't run" game with just a change in OS - - probably not.

The argument is pointless as the hardware GNU/Linux and OS X runs on can 
easily dual-boot Windows. Gone are the days of the Mac being on RISC 
processors so if a person absolutely insists on having the best possible 
gaming experience, whether he runs OS X or GNU/Linux, he can set up a 
partition for Windows as well. However, in comparing Wine and the 
emulators in OS X directly, only Wine comes close to giving native 
performance within a foreign operating system. The emulators in OS X 
will run the Windows games but will provide a fraction of what the 
performance should be. Peter is therefore correct.

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#240419

On 4/26/14, 3:07 PM, in article ljhanb$aha$1@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> Hadron wrote:
> 
>> Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> writes:
>> 
>>> On 2014-04-26 9:21 AM, William Poaster wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> Adding Apple's margins to Chinese products makes for high quality?
>>>> 
>>>> I can easily afford quality products, but I just don't believe in being
>>>> ripped off by companies like Apple for overpriced products.
>>> 
>>> I agree with Porky Poaster. Apple's quality is mostly an illusion. For
>>> the same price, especially in the high-end laptop range, people who buy a
>>> Macbook Pro get something which can barely play the limited selection of
>>> games Apple offers to its customers. For the same price, a PC laptop
>>> would allow you to play the entire collection of Windows games quite
>>> comfortably because of superior GPU technology, a better processor and a
>>> superior motherboard. In most cases, you
>> 
>> Seriously, what the fuck are you on about?
>> 
>> They dont want to play PC ganes :
> 
> Most apple machine *can't* play those games, the hardware is way too limited
> for that. And impossible to upgrade. YOu have to buy the machines with the
> config needed, you don't get any upgrade posibilities.
> The laptops are even limited to memory and SSD, you buy them the way and
> they *stay* that way. Absolutely horrible if you want more at a later time,
> it means buy a new machine

Internal expansion is limited on most Apple hardware - and for some purposes
this is bad. No doubt.

>> for that you buy a PC.
> 
> Better buy a PC than for everything

Incorrect. It would serve me, for example, a lot less well even for the same
or greater cost.
 
>> But to doubt
>> Apple's quality (both SW and HAW) in the face of huge proof that it IS
>> value and quality in market research after another then you're deluded.
> 
> Their software is mediocre at best, they have an even worse record of
> repairing bugs than MS has. Their user interface is shitty, it is apples way
> and no other way. It is practically impossible to configure apple machines
> the way you like, which is easily done with windows and even more easy with
> linux

So show it with your Voldermort software. But you never will because not
even you believe your claims.

> Their hardware is good, but not better than many other good hardware
> Additionally, they tend to introduce new interfaces which are not supported
> even after quite some time by 3rd party, making them very costly

I have no problem with getting third party support for the printers, AIO
devices, USB headphones, speakers, mice and keyboards, monitors, backup
drives, flash drives, etc. that I use. But keep in mind how little you know
about getting devices to work with OS X:

---------------------------------------------------------------

  Peter Köhlmann, after being shown these videos:
    <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PrintFirstTime.mp4>
    <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/FirstScan.mov>
  Both show an OfficeJet Pro 8600 after being connected to a network and
  being used for the first time on a Mac. And it works very, very well.
    -----
    Scanning [on OS X] is not supported *at* *all* without jumping
    through several hoops. This includes hunting down 3 different
    software packages (libusb, sane-backend and sane) *and* installing
    them. Out of the box no scanning is supported at all. This is in
    stark contrast to linux where scanning is supported right from the
    start after setting up the printer

    The same is true about *all* OfficeJet Pro printers under OSX.
    -----    
LOL! Yes, after being shown how an OfficeJet Pro works without doing
*anything* extra Peter still makes these completely incorrect claims.

Message-ID: <l31oss$9o6$1@dont-email.me>
<http://goo.gl/600BHt>

---------------------------------------------------------------

>>> can also benefit from a warranty package in which a technician comes to
>>> your house to fix the problem for the same amount of time as AppleCare.
>>> The only drawback of the whole thing being that the laptop MIGHT not look
>>> as "pretty" as the Macbook and attract as many effeminate men.
>> 
>> I cant be sure if you're a complete wanker, a troll or a Carroll/Snit
>> sock.
>> 
> 
> Translation: Much better than you, Hadron Snit Msg-ID Larry. You are nearly
> as shitty as Snit Michael Glasser. Oxygen thieves



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#240465

On 2014-04-26 6:07 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:

>> Seriously, what the fuck are you on about?
>>
>> They dont want to play PC ganes :
>
> Most apple machine *can't* play those games, the hardware is way too limited
> for that. And impossible to upgrade. YOu have to buy the machines with the
> config needed, you don't get any upgrade posibilities.
> The laptops are even limited to memory and SSD, you buy them the way and
> they *stay* that way. Absolutely horrible if you want more at a later time,
> it means buy a new machine

My own experience with Mac gaming is that the GPU is always underserved 
because Apple provides terrible drivers for it. However, you bring up 
excellent points: Apple is indeed pushing for its machines to come with 
SSD drives rather than traditional hard disks. While they improve gaming 
performance for those who use them (quicker access time essentially 
improves the "lag" people feel in FPS games), the lack of actual storage 
you get out of them prevents gamers from installing more than a handful 
of games at a time.

>> for that you buy a PC.
>
> Better buy a PC than for everything

Agreed.

>> But to doubt
>> Apple's quality (both SW and HAW) in the face of huge proof that it IS
>> value and quality in market research after another then you're deluded.
>
> Their software is mediocre at best, they have an even worse record of
> repairing bugs than MS has. Their user interface is shitty, it is apples way
> and no other way. It is practically impossible to configure apple machines
> the way you like, which is easily done with windows and even more easy with
> linux
>
> Their hardware is good, but not better than many other good hardware
> Additionally, they tend to introduce new interfaces which are not supported
> even after quite some time by 3rd party, making them very costly

For the same price, you get the exact same if not better quality from a 
PC machine. If people feel that their entry-level PC laptop is shit in 
comparison to an entry-level Mac laptop, they're free to stop spending 
300$ on that PC laptop and pay 1,000$ instead. As I mentioned earlier, 
the software Apple provides is indeed less secure and worse than what a 
PC offers. Security is not a priority but neither is performance as can 
be seen by the drivers they provide for the GPUs. Also, the interface 
looked great in 2000 to people who were accustomed to Windows 98 but in 
2014, there truly is nothing special about OS X. It used to appeal to 
the people because it was "prettier," however both GNU/Linux and Windows 
provide much "prettier" interfaces than Apple does nowadays. Like you 
said, if anybody wants to have the OS X interface in GNU/Linux looking 
EXACTLY like OS X if not prettier, they're free to install XFCE (for 
excellent performance) and a number of different docking utilities.

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#240475

On 4/27/14, 8:13 AM, in article ljj6rn$msv$1@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

> On 2014-04-26 6:07 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> 
>>> Seriously, what the fuck are you on about?
>>> 
>>> They dont want to play PC ganes :
>> 
>> Most apple machine *can't* play those games, the hardware is way too limited
>> for that. And impossible to upgrade. YOu have to buy the machines with the
>> config needed, you don't get any upgrade posibilities.
>> The laptops are even limited to memory and SSD, you buy them the way and
>> they *stay* that way. Absolutely horrible if you want more at a later time,
>> it means buy a new machine
> 
> My own experience with Mac gaming is that the GPU is always underserved
> because Apple provides terrible drivers for it.

For some things they seem to work poorly, but for video work they seem to
work very well. Look at the Mac Pro reviews on how well it renders 4K video.
Does so amazingly well, and it is largely because of the GPUs. Developers
have to make use of them, though... and so far many do not.

> However, you bring up excellent points: Apple is indeed pushing for its
> machines to come with SSD drives rather than traditional hard disks. While
> they improve gaming performance for those who use them (quicker access time
> essentially improves the "lag" people feel in FPS games), the lack of actual
> storage you get out of them prevents gamers from installing more than a
> handful of games at a time.

Fusion drives give you most of the benefits of both.

>>> for that you buy a PC.
>> 
>> Better buy a PC than for everything
> 
> Agreed.

Buy what works for you.

>>> But to doubt
>>> Apple's quality (both SW and HAW) in the face of huge proof that it IS
>>> value and quality in market research after another then you're deluded.
>> 
>> Their software is mediocre at best, they have an even worse record of
>> repairing bugs than MS has. Their user interface is shitty, it is apples way
>> and no other way. It is practically impossible to configure apple machines
>> the way you like, which is easily done with windows and even more easy with
>> linux
>> 
>> Their hardware is good, but not better than many other good hardware
>> Additionally, they tend to introduce new interfaces which are not supported
>> even after quite some time by 3rd party, making them very costly
> 
> For the same price, you get the exact same if not better quality from a
> PC machine. If people feel that their entry-level PC laptop is shit in
> comparison to an entry-level Mac laptop, they're free to stop spending
> 300$ on that PC laptop and pay 1,000$ instead. As I mentioned earlier,
> the software Apple provides is indeed less secure and worse than what a
> PC offers. Security is not a priority but neither is performance as can
> be seen by the drivers they provide for the GPUs. Also, the interface
> looked great in 2000 to people who were accustomed to Windows 98 but in
> 2014, there truly is nothing special about OS X. It used to appeal to
> the people because it was "prettier," however both GNU/Linux and Windows
> provide much "prettier" interfaces than Apple does nowadays. Like you
> said, if anybody wants to have the OS X interface in GNU/Linux looking
> EXACTLY like OS X if not prettier, they're free to install XFCE (for
> excellent performance) and a number of different docking utilities.

OS X offers all sorts of system services and tools which no other OS comes
close to. Here is just a partial list:

  - Proxy icons
  - A Media Browser
  - Full screen programs integrating with virtual desktops
  - PDF Services
  - A system wide color selector which allows for add-ons
  - A system wide font manager where you can define sets and more
  - Application services
  - Renaming and moving and duplicating from within programs
  - QuickLook (and its integration with so many programs)
  - Saved status indicators
  - A visual versioning system - which allows easy copying and pasting
    from earlier versions
  - A visual backup system that allows a novice to "dig back" into their
    history
  - Consistent print dialogs
  - Consistent save and open dialogs
  - Consistent common dialog names and placements and hot keys

Not all programs use each of them, but most use any relevant ones. And it
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#240420

On 4/26/14, 2:53 PM, in article 87y4yrn4ey.fsf@gmail.com, "Hadron"
<hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:

> Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> writes:
> 
>> On 2014-04-26 9:21 AM, William Poaster wrote:
>> 
>>>> Adding Apple's margins to Chinese products makes for high quality?
>>>> 
>>> I can easily afford quality products, but I just don't believe in being
>>> ripped off by companies like Apple for overpriced products.
>>> 
>> I agree with Porky Poaster. Apple's quality is mostly an illusion. For the
>> same price, especially in the high-end laptop range, people who buy a Macbook
>> Pro get something which can barely play the limited selection of games Apple
>> offers to its customers. For the same price, a PC laptop would allow you to
>> play the entire collection of Windows games quite comfortably because of
>> superior GPU technology, a better processor and a superior motherboard. In
>> most cases, you
>> 
> Seriously, what the fuck are you on about?
> 
> They dont want to play PC ganes : for that you buy a PC. But to doubt Apple's
> quality (both SW and HAW) in the face of huge proof that it IS value and
> quality in market research after another then you're deluded.

Right: Apple makes great technology. It is not perfect nor is it the best
choice for all users and all use cases. So be it. Does not mean it is not
very well designed and built.

>> can also benefit from a warranty package in which a technician comes to your
>> house to fix the problem for the same amount of time as AppleCare. The only
>> drawback of the whole thing being that the laptop MIGHT not look as "pretty"
>> as the Macbook and attract as many effeminate men.
>> 
> I cant be sure if you're a complete wanker, a troll or a Carroll/Snit sock.

He is trolling. 

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#240464

On 2014-04-26 5:53 PM, Hadron wrote:

>> I agree with Porky Poaster. Apple's quality is mostly an illusion. For the same
>> price, especially in the high-end laptop range, people who buy a Macbook Pro get
>> something which can barely play the limited selection of games Apple offers to
>> its customers. For the same price, a PC laptop would allow you to play the
>> entire collection of Windows games quite comfortably because of superior GPU
>> technology, a better processor and a superior motherboard. In most
>> cases, you
>
> Seriously, what the fuck are you on about?
>
> They dont want to play PC ganes : for that you buy a PC. But to doubt
> Apple's quality (both SW and HAW) in the face of huge proof that it IS
> value and quality in market research after another then you're deluded.

Considering the high amount of sales game makers get from iOS, it is 
pretty safe to assume that users of OS X would likely buy games if they 
were made available. As it is, an OS X user who plays the OCCASIONAL 
game will be content with the system but anyone looking to truly use 
that machine for gaming will have NO CHOICE but to build a PC. Imagine 
how quickly OS X's popularity would skyrocket if Macs were ON PAR with 
PCs in the gaming arena.

>> can also benefit from a warranty package in which a technician comes to your
>> house to fix the problem for the same amount of time as AppleCare. The only
>> drawback of the whole thing being that the laptop MIGHT not look as "pretty" as
>> the Macbook and attract as many effeminate men.
>
> I cant be sure if you're a complete wanker, a troll or a Carroll/Snit sock.

Hadron, nobody in this group cares what you *think*. I've quickly come 
to understand that neither the Windows, Mac or GNU/Linux crowd wants to 
have any association with you. In my book, YOU are a fucking wanker and 
I think that it is pretty safe to assume that in real life, you probably 
look like Porky Poaster and are an asshole in this forum as a result of 
many inadequacies in real-life.

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#240473

On 4/27/14, 8:06 AM, in article ljj6dk$k2o$1@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

> On 2014-04-26 5:53 PM, Hadron wrote:
> 
>>> I agree with Porky Poaster. Apple's quality is mostly an illusion. For the
>>> same price, especially in the high-end laptop range, people who buy a
>>> Macbook Pro get something which can barely play the limited selection of
>>> games Apple offers to its customers. For the same price, a PC laptop would
>>> allow you to play the entire collection of Windows games quite comfortably
>>> because of superior GPU technology, a better processor and a superior
>>> motherboard. In most cases, you
>>> 
>> Seriously, what the fuck are you on about?
>> 
>> They dont want to play PC ganes : for that you buy a PC. But to doubt Apple's
>> quality (both SW and HAW) in the face of huge proof that it IS value and
>> quality in market research after another then you're deluded.
> 
> Considering the high amount of sales game makers get from iOS, it is
> pretty safe to assume that users of OS X would likely buy games if they
> were made available. As it is, an OS X user who plays the OCCASIONAL
> game will be content with the system but anyone looking to truly use
> that machine for gaming will have NO CHOICE but to build a PC. Imagine
> how quickly OS X's popularity would skyrocket if Macs were ON PAR with
> PCs in the gaming arena.

It depends. There are two groups here: gamers are not generally the same
group as those who are looking for the most efficient, productive tools they
can get. There is some overlap, of course, but for Apple to focus on the
gamers they would have to change things quite a bit. If they can do it,
great - just do not see it as a main priority for Apple.

>>> can also benefit from a warranty package in which a technician comes to your
>>> house to fix the problem for the same amount of time as AppleCare. The only
>>> drawback of the whole thing being that the laptop MIGHT not look as "pretty"
>>> as
>>> the Macbook and attract as many effeminate men.
>> 
>> I cant be sure if you're a complete wanker, a troll or a Carroll/Snit sock.
> 
> Hadron, nobody in this group cares what you *think*. I've quickly come
> to understand that neither the Windows, Mac or GNU/Linux crowd wants to
> have any association with you. In my book, YOU are a fucking wanker and
> I think that it is pretty safe to assume that in real life, you probably
> look like Porky Poaster and are an asshole in this forum as a result of
> many inadequacies in real-life.

Many attacks from you - but no quote of anything he said which is wrong. Now
he and I do not agree on everything but I have general respect for Hadron.
He does not sink to your level.

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#240493

On 2014-04-27 16:24:45 +0000, Snit said:

> On 4/27/14, 8:06 AM, in article ljj6dk$k2o$1@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer"
> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
> 
>> On 2014-04-26 5:53 PM, Hadron wrote:
>> 
>>>> I agree with Porky Poaster. Apple's quality is mostly an illusion. For the
>>>> same price, especially in the high-end laptop range, people who buy a
>>>> Macbook Pro get something which can barely play the limited selection of
>>>> games Apple offers to its customers. For the same price, a PC laptop would
>>>> allow you to play the entire collection of Windows games quite comfortably
>>>> because of superior GPU technology, a better processor and a superior
>>>> motherboard. In most cases, you
>>>> 
>>> Seriously, what the fuck are you on about?
>>> 
>>> They dont want to play PC ganes : for that you buy a PC. But to doubt Apple's
>>> quality (both SW and HAW) in the face of huge proof that it IS value and
>>> quality in market research after another then you're deluded.
>> 
>> Considering the high amount of sales game makers get from iOS, it is
>> pretty safe to assume that users of OS X would likely buy games if they
>> were made available. As it is, an OS X user who plays the OCCASIONAL
>> game will be content with the system but anyone looking to truly use
>> that machine for gaming will have NO CHOICE but to build a PC. Imagine
>> how quickly OS X's popularity would skyrocket if Macs were ON PAR with
>> PCs in the gaming arena.
> 
> It depends. There are two groups here: gamers are not generally the same
> group as those who are looking for the most efficient, productive tools they
> can get. There is some overlap, of course, but for Apple to focus on the
> gamers they would have to change things quite a bit. If they can do it,
> great - just do not see it as a main priority for Apple.

How many play iOS games isn't any kind of indicator of gaming at all.  
Those games are not all that great for any but very casual gamers.

> 
>>>> can also benefit from a warranty package in which a technician comes to your
>>>> house to fix the problem for the same amount of time as AppleCare. The only
>>>> drawback of the whole thing being that the laptop MIGHT not look as "pretty"
>>>> as
>>>> the Macbook and attract as many effeminate men.
>>> 
>>> I cant be sure if you're a complete wanker, a troll or a Carroll/Snit sock.
>> 
>> Hadron, nobody in this group cares what you *think*. I've quickly come
>> to understand that neither the Windows, Mac or GNU/Linux crowd wants to
>> have any association with you. In my book, YOU are a fucking wanker and
>> I think that it is pretty safe to assume that in real life, you probably
>> look like Porky Poaster and are an asshole in this forum as a result of
>> many inadequacies in real-life.
> 
> Many attacks from you - but no quote of anything he said which is wrong. Now
> he and I do not agree on everything but I have general respect for Hadron.
> He does not sink to your level.


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#240498

On 4/27/14, 11:41 AM, in article bs519vFg16dU1@mid.individual.net, "Lloyd  E
Parsons" <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> On 2014-04-27 16:24:45 +0000, Snit said:
> 
>> On 4/27/14, 8:06 AM, in article ljj6dk$k2o$1@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer"
>> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2014-04-26 5:53 PM, Hadron wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> I agree with Porky Poaster. Apple's quality is mostly an illusion. For the
>>>>> same price, especially in the high-end laptop range, people who buy a
>>>>> Macbook Pro get something which can barely play the limited selection of
>>>>> games Apple offers to its customers. For the same price, a PC laptop would
>>>>> allow you to play the entire collection of Windows games quite comfortably
>>>>> because of superior GPU technology, a better processor and a superior
>>>>> motherboard. In most cases, you
>>>>> 
>>>> Seriously, what the fuck are you on about?
>>>> 
>>>> They dont want to play PC ganes : for that you buy a PC. But to doubt
>>>> Apple's
>>>> quality (both SW and HAW) in the face of huge proof that it IS value and
>>>> quality in market research after another then you're deluded.
>>> 
>>> Considering the high amount of sales game makers get from iOS, it is
>>> pretty safe to assume that users of OS X would likely buy games if they
>>> were made available. As it is, an OS X user who plays the OCCASIONAL
>>> game will be content with the system but anyone looking to truly use
>>> that machine for gaming will have NO CHOICE but to build a PC. Imagine
>>> how quickly OS X's popularity would skyrocket if Macs were ON PAR with
>>> PCs in the gaming arena.
>> 
>> It depends. There are two groups here: gamers are not generally the same
>> group as those who are looking for the most efficient, productive tools they
>> can get. There is some overlap, of course, but for Apple to focus on the
>> gamers they would have to change things quite a bit. If they can do it,
>> great - just do not see it as a main priority for Apple.
> 
> How many play iOS games isn't any kind of indicator of gaming at all.
> Those games are not all that great for any but very casual gamers.

That is what I have seen as well - but I do not pay much attention to the
games and my iOS device is old enough where it cannot handle newer games
(and crashes too often with many newer programs - rather annoying, really).


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#240618

>>>> I cant be sure if you're a complete wanker, a troll or a Carroll/Snit sock.
>>> 
>>> Hadron, nobody in this group cares what you *think*. I've quickly come
>>> to understand that neither the Windows, Mac or GNU/Linux crowd wants to
>>> have any association with you. In my book, YOU are a fucking wanker and
>>> I think that it is pretty safe to assume that in real life, you probably
>>> look like Porky Poaster and are an asshole in this forum as a result of
>>> many inadequacies in real-life.
>> 
>> Many attacks from you - but no quote of anything he said which is wrong. Now
>> he and I do not agree on everything but I have general respect for Hadron.
>> He does not sink to your level.

In-fighting amongst a bunch of shitty, vile, lying trolls.  Hilarious.

None of them hesitates for a moment to lie.  None of their words has
more weight than those of a "Magic 8 Ball".  Neither insults nor
compliments from them have any meaning.

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net down. If you were to use his keyboard you would be sure to wear
gloves. No wonder he feels at home in COLA."  -  "Hadron", bending the
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#240356

On 4/26/14, 6:15 AM, in article NjO6v.429692$ZP3.245386@fx20.iad, "Nobody"
<nobody@invalid.com> wrote:

>>> Enjoy paying your money to keep Apple, Inc. rich.
>>> 
>>> They'll never get a penny from me though.
>>> 
>> 
> [...]
>> 
>> Those grapes were probably sour anyway.
> 
> That only applies to something I actually wanted, but couldn't have.
> 
>> Maybe if you start saving the allowance mom gives you one day you might be
>> able to afford quality products.
> 
> Adding Apple's margins to Chinese products makes for high quality?

Your posts reek of jealousy.


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#240584

>On 04/24/2014 08:01 AM, Jimmy Neutron wrote:
>> Another awesome quarter for Apple and its products.
>>
>>
>> But some cola idiot said that Apple is dying.
>>
>>
>>
>> And some other COLA moron gave the post a me too.
>>
>>
>>
>> So what should people believe?  
>>
>> A couple of COLA idiots or the real world?
>
>
> Enjoy paying your money to keep Apple, Inc. rich.  
>
> They'll never get a penny from me though.
>

Don't worry butt boy. 

Those grapes were probably sour anyway.

Maybe if you start saving the allowance mom gives you one day you might be
able to afford quality products.

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