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| Started by | flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> |
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| First post | 2014-05-01 08:54 -0400 |
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Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-01 08:54 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 14:58 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-05-01 15:17 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 15:21 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-01 20:11 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-05-01 20:23 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-01 23:13 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-05-01 23:27 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-01 16:01 -0600
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-05-02 00:06 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-01 15:51 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May confuse n00bs tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-02 01:23 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May confuse n00bs GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-01 23:05 -0600
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Sinister Midget <fardblossom@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 23:41 +0000
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-01 23:04 -0600
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-05-02 10:46 +0100
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-01 15:07 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-02 01:05 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 07:47 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 12:47 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-05-02 12:59 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 15:01 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-02 21:10 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-02 13:34 -0600
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-01 09:23 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-01 14:29 +0100
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-01 09:37 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 16:18 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-01 17:10 +0100
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 18:45 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-01 20:21 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-01 14:44 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-01 13:44 -0500
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 12:03 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-02 10:59 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 17:18 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-01 10:10 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-01 17:16 +0100
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-01 12:20 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-01 17:33 +0100
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... "Poisoned by Win 8.1" <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 13:13 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-01 16:41 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-01 13:48 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-01 21:01 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 07:42 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-02 08:59 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-01 12:23 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-05-01 18:48 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-01 09:54 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-01 13:05 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-01 09:32 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-01 10:42 -0600
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-01 13:02 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-01 13:05 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-01 10:14 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... "Poisoned by Win 8.1" <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 13:21 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 13:43 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-01 16:03 -0600
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-01 13:20 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-01 10:29 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 10:35 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-01 14:23 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-01 12:20 -0600
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 18:46 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-02 11:56 +0100
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 11:12 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-02 10:59 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Rob <mefffrrggtt@privacy.net> - 2014-05-01 16:35 -0700
More lies and FUD from the Softy L00ns Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-01 20:05 -0400
Re: More lies and FUD from the Softy L00ns William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-05-02 10:50 +0100
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May confuse n00bs tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-02 03:45 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 07:39 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-02 13:03 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 13:46 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-03 14:39 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 12:10 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-03 15:18 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-03 12:56 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 13:54 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-02 17:07 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 18:05 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 07:48 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-02 09:01 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 09:20 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-02 10:50 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 17:17 +0200
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-02 11:26 -0400
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-02 08:39 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 11:17 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 11:31 -0700
Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 11:22 -0700
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| From | flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 08:54 -0400 |
| Subject | Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... |
| Message-ID | <1trwwso7bgook.czilix9zd2kz.dlg@40tude.net> |
Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well as the COLA minions keep trumpeting. Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from the LinOloons. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling some Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version of the Linux distro." "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." GRUB bootloader you say? Where is Peter Kohlmann to tell us that this can't possibly happen. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! -- flatfish+++ 163 Reasons not to deal with Michael "Snit" Glasser, the Prescott Computer Guy http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html
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| From | Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 14:58 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <87oazh8xlk.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #241031 |
flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> writes: > Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well as > the COLA minions keep trumpeting. Huh? Peter "world class C programmer" Koehlmann said there are never any issues with Linux. Amazing I know. But he INSISTED there is never ANY issues with BSODs after a Linux upgrade. Which is amazing because both Creepy and I had them with regard to nvidia integration breaking with kernel updates in Debian. > > Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from the > LinOloons. Aup. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ > > "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling some > Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version of the > Linux distro." > > "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those > manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the > GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." > > GRUB bootloader you say? > > Where is Peter Kohlmann to tell us that this can't possibly happen. > > Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Years ago that was type common. Grub going is a REAL NIGHTMARE if you dont know what you're doing. I had to resort to superGrub on more than one occasion. http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ But of course that cant really exist can it? Since Kohltard told us it never breaks. What an arsehole Peter Koehlmann is. -- "I have a BSEE.... Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining stability" is not one of them. Just the opposite, in fact." The turdv/chrisv idiot and his pretend BSEE degree. PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 15:17 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljthgf$j4v$2@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #241031 |
On Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:04 -0400 flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote: > Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well as > the COLA minions keep trumpeting. > > Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from the > LinOloons. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ > > "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling some > Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version of the > Linux distro." > > "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those > manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the > GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." > > GRUB bootloader you say? > True. When I updated grub has installed on Windows disk and didn't on Linux disk. So I installed manually and everything went ok except that on Windows disk now grub loads instead of windows boot loader. Not that biggy since grub update detects windows loader no problem... -- Click OK to continue...
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| From | Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 15:21 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <87fvkt8wik.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #241037 |
Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> writes: > On Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:04 -0400 > flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well as >> the COLA minions keep trumpeting. >> >> Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from the >> LinOloons. >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ >> >> "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling some >> Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version of the >> Linux distro." >> >> "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those >> manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the >> GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." >> >> GRUB bootloader you say? >> > True. When I updated grub has installed on Windows disk and > didn't on Linux disk. So I installed manually and everything > went ok except that on Windows disk now grub loads instead > of windows boot loader. Not that biggy since grub update detects > windows loader no problem... Yup - I can vouch for that. Why it cant in the first phase I don't know. But running update-grub (it SHOULD be called grub-update for obvious reasons) then spots it just fine. -- "I have a BSEE.... Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining stability" is not one of them. Just the opposite, in fact." The turdv/chrisv idiot and his pretend BSEE degree. PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
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| From | tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 20:11 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lju2nn$f8m$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #241037 |
op 01-05-14 15:17, Melzzzzz schreef: > On Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:04 -0400 > flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well as >> the COLA minions keep trumpeting. >> >> Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from the >> LinOloons. >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ >> >> "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling some >> Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version of the >> Linux distro." >> >> "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those >> manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the >> GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." >> >> GRUB bootloader you say? >> > True. When I updated grub has installed on Windows disk and > didn't on Linux disk. So I installed manually and everything > went ok except that on Windows disk now grub loads instead > of windows boot loader. Not that biggy since grub update detects > windows loader no problem... Bullshit, I'm dualbooting Ubuntu 14.04 LTS from SSD and Windows 8.1 update 1 from mechanical HDD (sdb3 partition). Previously I had to fire up EFI settings (BIOS config) each time I wanted to boot "the other" OS. Doesn't apply any longer, since Ubuntu 14.04 LTS *fully* supports UEFI. I'm booting from GRUB2 as well (was probably written to the MBR of sda (SSD)). So what? GRUB2 is a much more enhanced bootloader then the Windows Bootloader anyway. So what's the problem? -- |_|0|_| Marti T. van Lin (alias de ML2MST) |_|_|0| Registered Linux user # 513040 |0|0|0| http://linuxcounter.net/user/513040.html
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 20:23 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lju3fc$kra$6@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #241109 |
On Thu, 01 May 2014 20:11:02 +0200 tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: > op 01-05-14 15:17, Melzzzzz schreef: > > > On Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:04 -0400 > > flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well as > >> the COLA minions keep trumpeting. > >> > >> Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from the > >> LinOloons. > >> > >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ > >> > >> "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling > >> some Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version > >> of the Linux distro." > >> > >> "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those > >> manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the > >> GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." > >> > >> GRUB bootloader you say? > >> > > True. When I updated grub has installed on Windows disk and > > didn't on Linux disk. So I installed manually and everything > > went ok except that on Windows disk now grub loads instead > > of windows boot loader. Not that biggy since grub update detects > > windows loader no problem... > > Bullshit, I'm dualbooting Ubuntu 14.04 LTS from SSD and Windows 8.1 > update 1 from mechanical HDD (sdb3 partition). > > Previously I had to fire up EFI settings (BIOS config) each time I > wanted to boot "the other" OS. > > Doesn't apply any longer, since Ubuntu 14.04 LTS *fully* supports > UEFI. > > I'm booting from GRUB2 as well (was probably written to the MBR of > sda (SSD)). So what? GRUB2 is a much more enhanced bootloader then > the Windows Bootloader anyway. So what's the problem? Problem is that Ubuntu shouldn't install grub in wrong place. At least it should ask where to install not to install on fist disk it finds convenient... AS I boot from /dev/sdc that would leave my system unbootable... Fortunately I have installed grub on sdc before reboot. > -- Click OK to continue...
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| From | tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 23:13 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljude8$5j8$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #241113 |
op 01-05-14 20:23, Melzzzzz schreef: > On Thu, 01 May 2014 20:11:02 +0200 > tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: > >> op 01-05-14 15:17, Melzzzzz schreef: >> >>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:04 -0400 >>> flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well as >>>> the COLA minions keep trumpeting. >>>> >>>> Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from the >>>> LinOloons. >>>> >>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ >>>> >>>> "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling >>>> some Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version >>>> of the Linux distro." >>>> >>>> "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those >>>> manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the >>>> GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." >>>> >>>> GRUB bootloader you say? >>>> >>> True. When I updated grub has installed on Windows disk and >>> didn't on Linux disk. So I installed manually and everything >>> went ok except that on Windows disk now grub loads instead >>> of windows boot loader. Not that biggy since grub update detects >>> windows loader no problem... >> >> Bullshit, I'm dualbooting Ubuntu 14.04 LTS from SSD and Windows 8.1 >> update 1 from mechanical HDD (sdb3 partition). >> >> Previously I had to fire up EFI settings (BIOS config) each time I >> wanted to boot "the other" OS. >> >> Doesn't apply any longer, since Ubuntu 14.04 LTS *fully* supports >> UEFI. >> >> I'm booting from GRUB2 as well (was probably written to the MBR of >> sda (SSD)). So what? GRUB2 is a much more enhanced bootloader then >> the Windows Bootloader anyway. So what's the problem? > > Problem is that Ubuntu shouldn't install grub in wrong place. > At least it should ask where to install not to install on > fist disk it finds convenient... > AS I boot from /dev/sdc that would leave my system > unbootable... Fortunately I have installed grub > on sdc before reboot. Nope, Ubuntu, like every other GNU/Linux distribution, will install GRUB2 to the drive you tel it to. I assume you are, like the majority of Linux advocates in COLA an advanced Linux user, so why didn't you choose a custom installation? which gives you full control of where to install what. The ability to attach/change partitions and target drives for GRUB2: http://i.stack.imgur.com/7gz7y.png Beside that, if your machine is left "unbootable" you can always boot your Linux CD/DVD/Thumb Drive to fix it with GRUB2. -- |_|0|_| Marti T. van Lin (alias de ML2MST) |_|_|0| Registered Linux user # 513040 |0|0|0| http://linuxcounter.net/user/513040.html
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 23:27 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljue7p$kra$7@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #241135 |
On Thu, 01 May 2014 23:13:44 +0200 tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: > op 01-05-14 20:23, Melzzzzz schreef: > > > On Thu, 01 May 2014 20:11:02 +0200 > > tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > >> op 01-05-14 15:17, Melzzzzz schreef: > >> > >>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:04 -0400 > >>> flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well > >>>> as the COLA minions keep trumpeting. > >>>> > >>>> Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from > >>>> the LinOloons. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ > >>>> > >>>> "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling > >>>> some Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version > >>>> of the Linux distro." > >>>> > >>>> "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those > >>>> manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the > >>>> GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." > >>>> > >>>> GRUB bootloader you say? > >>>> > >>> True. When I updated grub has installed on Windows disk and > >>> didn't on Linux disk. So I installed manually and everything > >>> went ok except that on Windows disk now grub loads instead > >>> of windows boot loader. Not that biggy since grub update detects > >>> windows loader no problem... > >> > >> Bullshit, I'm dualbooting Ubuntu 14.04 LTS from SSD and Windows 8.1 > >> update 1 from mechanical HDD (sdb3 partition). > >> > >> Previously I had to fire up EFI settings (BIOS config) each time I > >> wanted to boot "the other" OS. > >> > >> Doesn't apply any longer, since Ubuntu 14.04 LTS *fully* supports > >> UEFI. > >> > >> I'm booting from GRUB2 as well (was probably written to the MBR of > >> sda (SSD)). So what? GRUB2 is a much more enhanced bootloader then > >> the Windows Bootloader anyway. So what's the problem? > > > > Problem is that Ubuntu shouldn't install grub in wrong place. > > At least it should ask where to install not to install on > > fist disk it finds convenient... > > AS I boot from /dev/sdc that would leave my system > > unbootable... Fortunately I have installed grub > > on sdc before reboot. > > Nope, Ubuntu, like every other GNU/Linux distribution, will install > GRUB2 to the drive you tel it to. It was upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04. It didn't ask where to put grub. > > I assume you are, like the majority of Linux advocates in COLA an > advanced Linux user, so why didn't you choose a custom installation? > which gives you full control of where to install what. The ability to > attach/change partitions and target drives for GRUB2: > > http://i.stack.imgur.com/7gz7y.png > > Beside that, if your machine is left "unbootable" you can always boot > your Linux CD/DVD/Thumb Drive to fix it with GRUB2. > -- Click OK to continue...
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| From | GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 16:01 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <IZudnUp7M8rWWf_OnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@bresnan.com> |
| In reply to | #241136 |
On 5/1/2014 3:27 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: > On Thu, 01 May 2014 23:13:44 +0200 > tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: > >> op 01-05-14 20:23, Melzzzzz schreef: >> >>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 20:11:02 +0200 >>> tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> op 01-05-14 15:17, Melzzzzz schreef: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:04 -0400 >>>>> flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well >>>>>> as the COLA minions keep trumpeting. >>>>>> >>>>>> Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from >>>>>> the LinOloons. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ >>>>>> >>>>>> "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling >>>>>> some Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version >>>>>> of the Linux distro." >>>>>> >>>>>> "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those >>>>>> manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the >>>>>> GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." >>>>>> >>>>>> GRUB bootloader you say? >>>>>> >>>>> True. When I updated grub has installed on Windows disk and >>>>> didn't on Linux disk. So I installed manually and everything >>>>> went ok except that on Windows disk now grub loads instead >>>>> of windows boot loader. Not that biggy since grub update detects >>>>> windows loader no problem... >>>> >>>> Bullshit, I'm dualbooting Ubuntu 14.04 LTS from SSD and Windows 8.1 >>>> update 1 from mechanical HDD (sdb3 partition). >>>> >>>> Previously I had to fire up EFI settings (BIOS config) each time I >>>> wanted to boot "the other" OS. >>>> >>>> Doesn't apply any longer, since Ubuntu 14.04 LTS *fully* supports >>>> UEFI. >>>> >>>> I'm booting from GRUB2 as well (was probably written to the MBR of >>>> sda (SSD)). So what? GRUB2 is a much more enhanced bootloader then >>>> the Windows Bootloader anyway. So what's the problem? >>> >>> Problem is that Ubuntu shouldn't install grub in wrong place. >>> At least it should ask where to install not to install on >>> fist disk it finds convenient... >>> AS I boot from /dev/sdc that would leave my system >>> unbootable... Fortunately I have installed grub >>> on sdc before reboot. >> >> Nope, Ubuntu, like every other GNU/Linux distribution, will install >> GRUB2 to the drive you tel it to. > > It was upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04. It didn't ask where to put grub. > >> >> I assume you are, like the majority of Linux advocates in COLA an >> advanced Linux user, so why didn't you choose a custom installation? >> which gives you full control of where to install what. The ability to >> attach/change partitions and target drives for GRUB2: >> >> http://i.stack.imgur.com/7gz7y.png >> >> Beside that, if your machine is left "unbootable" you can always boot >> your Linux CD/DVD/Thumb Drive to fix it with GRUB2. >> > > > I have heard problems similar to this in regards to an upgrade. Maybe the best policy is to save all your work to a dvd and then just do a clean install. -- We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true -- Robert Wilensky, 1997
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2014-05-02 00:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljugi0$s3l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #241140 |
GreyCloud wrote: > On 5/1/2014 3:27 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: >> On Thu, 01 May 2014 23:13:44 +0200 >> tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> >>> op 01-05-14 20:23, Melzzzzz schreef: >>> >>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 20:11:02 +0200 >>>> tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> op 01-05-14 15:17, Melzzzzz schreef: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:04 -0400 >>>>>> flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well >>>>>>> as the COLA minions keep trumpeting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from >>>>>>> the LinOloons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling >>>>>>> some Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version >>>>>>> of the Linux distro." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those >>>>>>> manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the >>>>>>> GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> GRUB bootloader you say? >>>>>>> >>>>>> True. When I updated grub has installed on Windows disk and >>>>>> didn't on Linux disk. So I installed manually and everything >>>>>> went ok except that on Windows disk now grub loads instead >>>>>> of windows boot loader. Not that biggy since grub update detects >>>>>> windows loader no problem... >>>>> >>>>> Bullshit, I'm dualbooting Ubuntu 14.04 LTS from SSD and Windows 8.1 >>>>> update 1 from mechanical HDD (sdb3 partition). >>>>> >>>>> Previously I had to fire up EFI settings (BIOS config) each time I >>>>> wanted to boot "the other" OS. >>>>> >>>>> Doesn't apply any longer, since Ubuntu 14.04 LTS *fully* supports >>>>> UEFI. >>>>> >>>>> I'm booting from GRUB2 as well (was probably written to the MBR of >>>>> sda (SSD)). So what? GRUB2 is a much more enhanced bootloader then >>>>> the Windows Bootloader anyway. So what's the problem? >>>> >>>> Problem is that Ubuntu shouldn't install grub in wrong place. >>>> At least it should ask where to install not to install on >>>> fist disk it finds convenient... >>>> AS I boot from /dev/sdc that would leave my system >>>> unbootable... Fortunately I have installed grub >>>> on sdc before reboot. >>> >>> Nope, Ubuntu, like every other GNU/Linux distribution, will install >>> GRUB2 to the drive you tel it to. >> >> It was upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04. It didn't ask where to put grub. >> >>> >>> I assume you are, like the majority of Linux advocates in COLA an >>> advanced Linux user, so why didn't you choose a custom installation? >>> which gives you full control of where to install what. The ability to >>> attach/change partitions and target drives for GRUB2: >>> >>> http://i.stack.imgur.com/7gz7y.png >>> >>> Beside that, if your machine is left "unbootable" you can always boot >>> your Linux CD/DVD/Thumb Drive to fix it with GRUB2. >>> >> >> >> > I have heard problems similar to this in regards to an upgrade. Those problems are *extremely* rare, and only for a very limited number of users > Maybe the best policy is to save all your work to a dvd and then just do > a clean install. > Actually, I have in more than 15 years using linux never had a linux setup which would not boot anymore after doing an update
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 15:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <CF881DEC.3626C%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #241144 |
On 5/1/14, 3:06 PM, in article ljugi0$s3l$1@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: >>>> Beside that, if your machine is left "unbootable" you can always boot >>>> your Linux CD/DVD/Thumb Drive to fix it with GRUB2. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> I have heard problems similar to this in regards to an upgrade. > > Those problems are *extremely* rare, and only for a very limited number of > users > >> Maybe the best policy is to save all your work to a dvd and then just do >> a clean install. >> > > Actually, I have in more than 15 years using linux never had a linux setup > which would not boot anymore after doing an update The Mint team suggests you start from scratch with every upgrade - which happens every 6 months. That really is pathetic. -- * Mint MATE: Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint / LibreOffice: <http://youtu.be/USU9iqppfto> * Win 8 / Word 2013: <http://youtu.be/z8gUL2TCcV4> * Mavericks / Pages 5.1: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
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| From | tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-05-02 01:23 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May confuse n00bs |
| Message-ID | <ljul0n$ih0$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #241144 |
op 02-05-14 00:06, Peter Köhlmann schreef: > GreyCloud wrote: > >> On 5/1/2014 3:27 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: >>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 23:13:44 +0200 >>> tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> op 01-05-14 20:23, Melzzzzz schreef: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 20:11:02 +0200 >>>>> tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> op 01-05-14 15:17, Melzzzzz schreef: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:04 -0400 >>>>>>> flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well >>>>>>>> as the COLA minions keep trumpeting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from >>>>>>>> the LinOloons. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling >>>>>>>> some Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version >>>>>>>> of the Linux distro." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those >>>>>>>> manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the >>>>>>>> GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> GRUB bootloader you say? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> True. When I updated grub has installed on Windows disk and >>>>>>> didn't on Linux disk. So I installed manually and everything >>>>>>> went ok except that on Windows disk now grub loads instead >>>>>>> of windows boot loader. Not that biggy since grub update detects >>>>>>> windows loader no problem... >>>>>> >>>>>> Bullshit, I'm dualbooting Ubuntu 14.04 LTS from SSD and Windows 8.1 >>>>>> update 1 from mechanical HDD (sdb3 partition). >>>>>> >>>>>> Previously I had to fire up EFI settings (BIOS config) each time I >>>>>> wanted to boot "the other" OS. >>>>>> >>>>>> Doesn't apply any longer, since Ubuntu 14.04 LTS *fully* supports >>>>>> UEFI. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm booting from GRUB2 as well (was probably written to the MBR of >>>>>> sda (SSD)). So what? GRUB2 is a much more enhanced bootloader then >>>>>> the Windows Bootloader anyway. So what's the problem? >>>>> >>>>> Problem is that Ubuntu shouldn't install grub in wrong place. >>>>> At least it should ask where to install not to install on >>>>> fist disk it finds convenient... >>>>> AS I boot from /dev/sdc that would leave my system >>>>> unbootable... Fortunately I have installed grub >>>>> on sdc before reboot. >>>> >>>> Nope, Ubuntu, like every other GNU/Linux distribution, will install >>>> GRUB2 to the drive you tel it to. >>> >>> It was upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04. It didn't ask where to put grub. >>> >>>> >>>> I assume you are, like the majority of Linux advocates in COLA an >>>> advanced Linux user, so why didn't you choose a custom installation? >>>> which gives you full control of where to install what. The ability to >>>> attach/change partitions and target drives for GRUB2: >>>> >>>> http://i.stack.imgur.com/7gz7y.png >>>> >>>> Beside that, if your machine is left "unbootable" you can always boot >>>> your Linux CD/DVD/Thumb Drive to fix it with GRUB2. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> I have heard problems similar to this in regards to an upgrade. I upgraded from one version of Ubuntu to another one several times and can't recall any such problems. > Those problems are *extremely* rare, and only for a very limited number of > users > >> Maybe the best policy is to save all your work to a dvd and then just do >> a clean install. IMHO copying data to a cheap external USB HDD is a better option and storing your data on a separate /home partition is even better. The latter will preserve your personal settings. > Actually, I have in more than 15 years using linux never had a linux setup > which would not boot anymore after doing an update -- |_|0|_| Marti T. van Lin (alias de ML2MST) |_|_|0| Registered Linux user # 513040 |0|0|0| http://linuxcounter.net/user/513040.html
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| From | GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 23:05 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May confuse n00bs |
| Message-ID | <PPWdnWqoArgyuv7OnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@bresnan.com> |
| In reply to | #241171 |
On 5/1/2014 5:23 PM, tinus61 wrote: > op 02-05-14 00:06, Peter Köhlmann schreef: > >> GreyCloud wrote: >> >>> On 5/1/2014 3:27 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: >>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 23:13:44 +0200 >>>> tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> op 01-05-14 20:23, Melzzzzz schreef: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 20:11:02 +0200 >>>>>> tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> op 01-05-14 15:17, Melzzzzz schreef: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:04 -0400 >>>>>>>> flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well >>>>>>>>> as the COLA minions keep trumpeting. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from >>>>>>>>> the LinOloons. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling >>>>>>>>> some Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version >>>>>>>>> of the Linux distro." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those >>>>>>>>> manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the >>>>>>>>> GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> GRUB bootloader you say? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> True. When I updated grub has installed on Windows disk and >>>>>>>> didn't on Linux disk. So I installed manually and everything >>>>>>>> went ok except that on Windows disk now grub loads instead >>>>>>>> of windows boot loader. Not that biggy since grub update detects >>>>>>>> windows loader no problem... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bullshit, I'm dualbooting Ubuntu 14.04 LTS from SSD and Windows 8.1 >>>>>>> update 1 from mechanical HDD (sdb3 partition). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Previously I had to fire up EFI settings (BIOS config) each time I >>>>>>> wanted to boot "the other" OS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Doesn't apply any longer, since Ubuntu 14.04 LTS *fully* supports >>>>>>> UEFI. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm booting from GRUB2 as well (was probably written to the MBR of >>>>>>> sda (SSD)). So what? GRUB2 is a much more enhanced bootloader then >>>>>>> the Windows Bootloader anyway. So what's the problem? >>>>>> >>>>>> Problem is that Ubuntu shouldn't install grub in wrong place. >>>>>> At least it should ask where to install not to install on >>>>>> fist disk it finds convenient... >>>>>> AS I boot from /dev/sdc that would leave my system >>>>>> unbootable... Fortunately I have installed grub >>>>>> on sdc before reboot. >>>>> >>>>> Nope, Ubuntu, like every other GNU/Linux distribution, will install >>>>> GRUB2 to the drive you tel it to. >>>> >>>> It was upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04. It didn't ask where to put grub. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I assume you are, like the majority of Linux advocates in COLA an >>>>> advanced Linux user, so why didn't you choose a custom installation? >>>>> which gives you full control of where to install what. The ability to >>>>> attach/change partitions and target drives for GRUB2: >>>>> >>>>> http://i.stack.imgur.com/7gz7y.png >>>>> >>>>> Beside that, if your machine is left "unbootable" you can always boot >>>>> your Linux CD/DVD/Thumb Drive to fix it with GRUB2. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I have heard problems similar to this in regards to an upgrade. > > I upgraded from one version of Ubuntu to another one several times and > can't recall any such problems. > >> Those problems are *extremely* rare, and only for a very limited >> number of >> users >> >>> Maybe the best policy is to save all your work to a dvd and then just do >>> a clean install. > > IMHO copying data to a cheap external USB HDD is a better option and > storing your data on a separate /home partition is even better. > > The latter will preserve your personal settings. > That's a pretty good idea. -- We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true -- Robert Wilensky, 1997
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| From | Sinister Midget <fardblossom@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 23:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5362dba9$0$44858$862e30e2@ngroups.net> |
| In reply to | #241144 |
On 2014-05-01, Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> claimed: > Actually, I have in more than 15 years using linux never had a linux setup > which would not boot anymore after doing an update I had one. But it also had a lot of weirdo programs installed that weren't from repositories of the distro I used and updated. I've had others fail to boot (not due to hardware). But those were all because I monkeyed with things I shouldn't. And I knew it might screw everything up as well. But that was sorta the point to my messing with them in the first place. -- I'd love to, but I have to fulfill my potential.
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| From | GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 23:04 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <PPWdnWuoArjwuv7OnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@bresnan.com> |
| In reply to | #241144 |
On 5/1/2014 4:06 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: > GreyCloud wrote: > >> On 5/1/2014 3:27 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: >>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 23:13:44 +0200 >>> tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> op 01-05-14 20:23, Melzzzzz schreef: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 20:11:02 +0200 >>>>> tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> op 01-05-14 15:17, Melzzzzz schreef: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:04 -0400 >>>>>>> flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well >>>>>>>> as the COLA minions keep trumpeting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from >>>>>>>> the LinOloons. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling >>>>>>>> some Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version >>>>>>>> of the Linux distro." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those >>>>>>>> manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the >>>>>>>> GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> GRUB bootloader you say? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> True. When I updated grub has installed on Windows disk and >>>>>>> didn't on Linux disk. So I installed manually and everything >>>>>>> went ok except that on Windows disk now grub loads instead >>>>>>> of windows boot loader. Not that biggy since grub update detects >>>>>>> windows loader no problem... >>>>>> >>>>>> Bullshit, I'm dualbooting Ubuntu 14.04 LTS from SSD and Windows 8.1 >>>>>> update 1 from mechanical HDD (sdb3 partition). >>>>>> >>>>>> Previously I had to fire up EFI settings (BIOS config) each time I >>>>>> wanted to boot "the other" OS. >>>>>> >>>>>> Doesn't apply any longer, since Ubuntu 14.04 LTS *fully* supports >>>>>> UEFI. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm booting from GRUB2 as well (was probably written to the MBR of >>>>>> sda (SSD)). So what? GRUB2 is a much more enhanced bootloader then >>>>>> the Windows Bootloader anyway. So what's the problem? >>>>> >>>>> Problem is that Ubuntu shouldn't install grub in wrong place. >>>>> At least it should ask where to install not to install on >>>>> fist disk it finds convenient... >>>>> AS I boot from /dev/sdc that would leave my system >>>>> unbootable... Fortunately I have installed grub >>>>> on sdc before reboot. >>>> >>>> Nope, Ubuntu, like every other GNU/Linux distribution, will install >>>> GRUB2 to the drive you tel it to. >>> >>> It was upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04. It didn't ask where to put grub. >>> >>>> >>>> I assume you are, like the majority of Linux advocates in COLA an >>>> advanced Linux user, so why didn't you choose a custom installation? >>>> which gives you full control of where to install what. The ability to >>>> attach/change partitions and target drives for GRUB2: >>>> >>>> http://i.stack.imgur.com/7gz7y.png >>>> >>>> Beside that, if your machine is left "unbootable" you can always boot >>>> your Linux CD/DVD/Thumb Drive to fix it with GRUB2. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> I have heard problems similar to this in regards to an upgrade. > > Those problems are *extremely* rare, and only for a very limited number of > users > >> Maybe the best policy is to save all your work to a dvd and then just do >> a clean install. >> > > Actually, I have in more than 15 years using linux never had a linux setup > which would not boot anymore after doing an update > I've had it happen on OpenSuse 12.3 ... I really don't know why it wouldn't reboot... it started the reboot process but it just sat there. ??? I still think that VMs aren't that safe in this regards. VirtualBox. -- We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true -- Robert Wilensky, 1997
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| From | William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> |
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| Date | 2014-05-02 10:46 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <o36c3b-iq5.ln1@myhost.linuxnetworkbeta.net> |
| In reply to | #241144 |
Peter Köhlmann wrote: > GreyCloud wrote: > >> On 5/1/2014 3:27 PM, Melzzzzz wrote: >>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 23:13:44 +0200 >>> tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> op 01-05-14 20:23, Melzzzzz schreef: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 20:11:02 +0200 >>>>> tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> op 01-05-14 15:17, Melzzzzz schreef: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:04 -0400 >>>>>>> flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well >>>>>>>> as the COLA minions keep trumpeting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from >>>>>>>> the LinOloons. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling >>>>>>>> some Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version >>>>>>>> of the Linux distro." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those >>>>>>>> manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the >>>>>>>> GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> GRUB bootloader you say? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> True. When I updated grub has installed on Windows disk and >>>>>>> didn't on Linux disk. So I installed manually and everything >>>>>>> went ok except that on Windows disk now grub loads instead >>>>>>> of windows boot loader. Not that biggy since grub update detects >>>>>>> windows loader no problem... >>>>>> >>>>>> Bullshit, I'm dualbooting Ubuntu 14.04 LTS from SSD and Windows 8.1 >>>>>> update 1 from mechanical HDD (sdb3 partition). >>>>>> >>>>>> Previously I had to fire up EFI settings (BIOS config) each time I >>>>>> wanted to boot "the other" OS. >>>>>> >>>>>> Doesn't apply any longer, since Ubuntu 14.04 LTS *fully* supports >>>>>> UEFI. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm booting from GRUB2 as well (was probably written to the MBR of >>>>>> sda (SSD)). So what? GRUB2 is a much more enhanced bootloader then >>>>>> the Windows Bootloader anyway. So what's the problem? >>>>> >>>>> Problem is that Ubuntu shouldn't install grub in wrong place. >>>>> At least it should ask where to install not to install on >>>>> fist disk it finds convenient... >>>>> AS I boot from /dev/sdc that would leave my system >>>>> unbootable... Fortunately I have installed grub >>>>> on sdc before reboot. >>>> >>>> Nope, Ubuntu, like every other GNU/Linux distribution, will install >>>> GRUB2 to the drive you tel it to. >>> >>> It was upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04. It didn't ask where to put grub. >>> >>>> >>>> I assume you are, like the majority of Linux advocates in COLA an >>>> advanced Linux user, so why didn't you choose a custom installation? >>>> which gives you full control of where to install what. The ability to >>>> attach/change partitions and target drives for GRUB2: >>>> >>>> http://i.stack.imgur.com/7gz7y.png >>>> >>>> Beside that, if your machine is left "unbootable" you can always boot >>>> your Linux CD/DVD/Thumb Drive to fix it with GRUB2. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> I have heard problems similar to this in regards to an upgrade. > > Those problems are *extremely* rare, and only for a very limited number of > users Indeed. >> Maybe the best policy is to save all your work to a dvd and then just do >> a clean install. If you have your data on a separate /home partition, it should be ok. Otherwise back up to an external USB drive. > Actually, I have in more than 15 years using linux never had a linux setup > which would not boot anymore after doing an update I had *one*, but that turned out to be a co-incidental hardware failure. The HDD failed on which I had a Linux distro installed. But I cannot recall where an upgrade of a Linux distro I was using, was directly responsible for a boot failure. -- "Microsoft has vast resources, literally billions of dollars in cash, or liquid assets reserves. Microsoft is an incredibly successful empire built on the premise of market dominance with low-quality goods." -- Former White House adviser Richard A. Clarke --
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 15:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <CF8813B2.36251%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #241140 |
On 5/1/14, 3:01 PM, in article IZudnUp7M8rWWf_OnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@bresnan.com, "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote: >>> I assume you are, like the majority of Linux advocates in COLA an >>> advanced Linux user, so why didn't you choose a custom installation? >>> which gives you full control of where to install what. The ability to >>> attach/change partitions and target drives for GRUB2: >>> >>> http://i.stack.imgur.com/7gz7y.png >>> >>> Beside that, if your machine is left "unbootable" you can always boot >>> your Linux CD/DVD/Thumb Drive to fix it with GRUB2. >>> >> >> >> > I have heard problems similar to this in regards to an upgrade. > Maybe the best policy is to save all your work to a dvd and then just do > a clean install. That is what the Mint team suggests. -- * Mint MATE: Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint / LibreOffice: <http://youtu.be/USU9iqppfto> * Win 8 / Word 2013: <http://youtu.be/z8gUL2TCcV4> * Mavericks / Pages 5.1: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
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| From | tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-05-02 01:05 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljuk0h$gus$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #241136 |
op 01-05-14 23:27, Melzzzzz schreef: > On Thu, 01 May 2014 23:13:44 +0200 > tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: > >> op 01-05-14 20:23, Melzzzzz schreef: >> >>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 20:11:02 +0200 >>> tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> op 01-05-14 15:17, Melzzzzz schreef: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:04 -0400 >>>>> flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well >>>>>> as the COLA minions keep trumpeting. >>>>>> >>>>>> Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from >>>>>> the LinOloons. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ >>>>>> >>>>>> "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling >>>>>> some Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version >>>>>> of the Linux distro." >>>>>> >>>>>> "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those >>>>>> manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the >>>>>> GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." >>>>>> >>>>>> GRUB bootloader you say? >>>>>> >>>>> True. When I updated grub has installed on Windows disk and >>>>> didn't on Linux disk. So I installed manually and everything >>>>> went ok except that on Windows disk now grub loads instead >>>>> of windows boot loader. Not that biggy since grub update detects >>>>> windows loader no problem... >>>> >>>> Bullshit, I'm dualbooting Ubuntu 14.04 LTS from SSD and Windows 8.1 >>>> update 1 from mechanical HDD (sdb3 partition). >>>> >>>> Previously I had to fire up EFI settings (BIOS config) each time I >>>> wanted to boot "the other" OS. >>>> >>>> Doesn't apply any longer, since Ubuntu 14.04 LTS *fully* supports >>>> UEFI. >>>> >>>> I'm booting from GRUB2 as well (was probably written to the MBR of >>>> sda (SSD)). So what? GRUB2 is a much more enhanced bootloader then >>>> the Windows Bootloader anyway. So what's the problem? >>> >>> Problem is that Ubuntu shouldn't install grub in wrong place. >>> At least it should ask where to install not to install on >>> fist disk it finds convenient... >>> AS I boot from /dev/sdc that would leave my system >>> unbootable... Fortunately I have installed grub >>> on sdc before reboot. >> >> Nope, Ubuntu, like every other GNU/Linux distribution, will install >> GRUB2 to the drive you tel it to. > > It was upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04. It didn't ask where to put grub. Well, if your setup still doesn't suit your needs, you can always install Grub Customizer from your favorite package manager and change the settings to suit your needs. Don't worry, be happy ;-) > >> >> I assume you are, like the majority of Linux advocates in COLA an >> advanced Linux user, so why didn't you choose a custom installation? >> which gives you full control of where to install what. The ability to >> attach/change partitions and target drives for GRUB2: >> >> http://i.stack.imgur.com/7gz7y.png >> >> Beside that, if your machine is left "unbootable" you can always boot >> your Linux CD/DVD/Thumb Drive to fix it with GRUB2. >> > > > -- |_|0|_| Marti T. van Lin (alias de ML2MST) |_|_|0| Registered Linux user # 513040 |0|0|0| http://linuxcounter.net/user/513040.html
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| From | flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-02 07:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <z7hun7tofwkc$.13d7bu1xjah3m.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #241164 |
On Fri, 02 May 2014 01:05:52 +0200, tinus61 wrote: > op 01-05-14 23:27, Melzzzzz schreef: >> On Thu, 01 May 2014 23:13:44 +0200 >> tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> >>> op 01-05-14 20:23, Melzzzzz schreef: >>> >>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 20:11:02 +0200 >>>> tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> op 01-05-14 15:17, Melzzzzz schreef: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:04 -0400 >>>>>> flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well >>>>>>> as the COLA minions keep trumpeting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from >>>>>>> the LinOloons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling >>>>>>> some Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version >>>>>>> of the Linux distro." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those >>>>>>> manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the >>>>>>> GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> GRUB bootloader you say? >>>>>>> >>>>>> True. When I updated grub has installed on Windows disk and >>>>>> didn't on Linux disk. So I installed manually and everything >>>>>> went ok except that on Windows disk now grub loads instead >>>>>> of windows boot loader. Not that biggy since grub update detects >>>>>> windows loader no problem... >>>>> >>>>> Bullshit, I'm dualbooting Ubuntu 14.04 LTS from SSD and Windows 8.1 >>>>> update 1 from mechanical HDD (sdb3 partition). >>>>> >>>>> Previously I had to fire up EFI settings (BIOS config) each time I >>>>> wanted to boot "the other" OS. >>>>> >>>>> Doesn't apply any longer, since Ubuntu 14.04 LTS *fully* supports >>>>> UEFI. >>>>> >>>>> I'm booting from GRUB2 as well (was probably written to the MBR of >>>>> sda (SSD)). So what? GRUB2 is a much more enhanced bootloader then >>>>> the Windows Bootloader anyway. So what's the problem? >>>> >>>> Problem is that Ubuntu shouldn't install grub in wrong place. >>>> At least it should ask where to install not to install on >>>> fist disk it finds convenient... >>>> AS I boot from /dev/sdc that would leave my system >>>> unbootable... Fortunately I have installed grub >>>> on sdc before reboot. >>> >>> Nope, Ubuntu, like every other GNU/Linux distribution, will install >>> GRUB2 to the drive you tel it to. >> >> It was upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04. It didn't ask where to put grub. > > Well, if your setup still doesn't suit your needs, you can always > install Grub Customizer from your favorite package manager and change > the settings to suit your needs. Assuming you can get your system to boot which is the title of the subject. > Don't worry, be happy ;-) Use Windows and be happier. -- flatfish+++ 163 Reasons not to deal with Michael "Snit" Glasser, the Prescott Computer Guy http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html
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| From | Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-02 12:47 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <874n187904.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #241109 |
tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> writes: > op 01-05-14 15:17, Melzzzzz schreef: > >> On Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:04 -0400 >> flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well as >>> the COLA minions keep trumpeting. >>> >>> Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from the >>> LinOloons. >>> >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/ >>> >>> "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling some >>> Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version of the >>> Linux distro." >>> >>> "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those >>> manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the >>> GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable." >>> >>> GRUB bootloader you say? >>> >> True. When I updated grub has installed on Windows disk and >> didn't on Linux disk. So I installed manually and everything >> went ok except that on Windows disk now grub loads instead >> of windows boot loader. Not that biggy since grub update detects >> windows loader no problem... > > Bullshit, I'm dualbooting Ubuntu 14.04 LTS from SSD and Windows 8.1 update 1 > from mechanical HDD (sdb3 partition). > > Previously I had to fire up EFI settings (BIOS config) each time I wanted to > boot "the other" OS. > > Doesn't apply any longer, since Ubuntu 14.04 LTS *fully* supports UEFI. > > I'm booting from GRUB2 as well (was probably written to the MBR of sda > (SSD)). So what? GRUB2 is a much more enhanced bootloader then the Windows > Bootloader anyway. So what's the problem? You seem confused sMartI. Again. When it works it works. When it doesnt it doesnt. And a LOT of installers DO NOT RECOGNISE Windows. as sMelzz says you need to manually run update-grub. You're a fucking idiot to say the least. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=windows+not+recognised+update-grub -- "I have a BSEE.... Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining stability" is not one of them. Just the opposite, in fact." The turdv/chrisv idiot and his pretend BSEE degree. PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
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