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Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC...

From William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC...
Date 2014-05-02 10:46 +0100
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Peter Köhlmann wrote:

> GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> On 5/1/2014 3:27 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 23:13:44 +0200
>>> tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> op 01-05-14 20:23, Melzzzzz schreef:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 01 May 2014 20:11:02 +0200
>>>>> tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> op 01-05-14 15:17, Melzzzzz schreef:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:04 -0400
>>>>>>> flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Guess upgrades in the Linux world just don't work quite as well
>>>>>>>> as the COLA minions keep trumpeting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Get ready for all the "works for me, must be you" messages from
>>>>>>>> the LinOloons.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/28/ubuntu_power_user_crash/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Canonical says it is working to fix a problem that's crippling
>>>>>>>> some Ubuntu PCs after they've been upgraded to the latest version
>>>>>>>> of the Linux distro."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "According to one Reg reader who has been in contact – and those
>>>>>>>> manning Ubuntu forums, see here and here – the upgrade breaks the
>>>>>>>> GRUB bootloader, rendering the machine unbootable."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GRUB bootloader you say?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True. When I updated grub has installed on Windows disk and
>>>>>>> didn't on Linux disk. So I installed manually and everything
>>>>>>> went ok except that on Windows disk now grub loads instead
>>>>>>> of windows boot loader. Not that biggy since grub update detects
>>>>>>> windows loader no problem...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit, I'm dualbooting Ubuntu 14.04 LTS from SSD and Windows 8.1
>>>>>> update 1 from mechanical HDD (sdb3 partition).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Previously I had to fire up EFI settings (BIOS config) each time I
>>>>>> wanted to boot "the other" OS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn't apply any longer, since Ubuntu 14.04 LTS *fully* supports
>>>>>> UEFI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm booting from GRUB2 as well (was probably written to the MBR of
>>>>>> sda (SSD)). So what? GRUB2 is a much more enhanced bootloader then
>>>>>> the Windows Bootloader anyway. So what's the problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> Problem is that Ubuntu shouldn't install grub in wrong place.
>>>>> At least it should ask where to install not to install on
>>>>> fist disk it finds convenient...
>>>>> AS I boot from /dev/sdc that would leave my system
>>>>> unbootable... Fortunately I have installed grub
>>>>> on sdc before reboot.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, Ubuntu, like every other GNU/Linux distribution, will install
>>>> GRUB2 to the drive you tel it to.
>>> 
>>> It was upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04. It didn't ask where to put grub.
>>> 
>>>>
>>>> I assume you are, like the majority of Linux advocates in COLA an
>>>> advanced Linux user, so why didn't you choose a custom installation?
>>>> which gives you full control of where to install what. The ability to
>>>> attach/change partitions and target drives for GRUB2:
>>>>
>>>> http://i.stack.imgur.com/7gz7y.png
>>>>
>>>> Beside that, if your machine is left "unbootable" you can always boot
>>>> your Linux CD/DVD/Thumb Drive to fix it with GRUB2.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> I have heard problems similar to this in regards to an upgrade.
>
> Those problems are *extremely* rare, and only for a very limited number of 
> users

Indeed.

>> Maybe the best policy is to save all your work to a dvd and then just do
>> a clean install.

If you have your data on a separate /home partition, it should be ok.
Otherwise back up to an external USB drive.

> Actually, I have in more than 15 years using linux never had a linux setup 
> which would not boot anymore after doing an update 

I had *one*, but that turned out to be a co-incidental hardware failure.
The HDD failed on which I had a Linux distro installed.
But I cannot recall where an upgrade of a Linux distro I was using, was
directly responsible for a boot failure.

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Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-01 08:54 -0400
  Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 14:58 +0200
  Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-05-01 15:17 +0200
    Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 15:21 +0200
    Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-01 20:11 +0200
      Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-05-01 20:23 +0200
        Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-01 23:13 +0200
          Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-05-01 23:27 +0200
            Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-01 16:01 -0600
              Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-05-02 00:06 +0200
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-01 15:51 -0700
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May confuse n00bs tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-02 01:23 +0200
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May confuse n00bs GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-01 23:05 -0600
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Sinister Midget <fardblossom@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 23:41 +0000
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-01 23:04 -0600
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-05-02 10:46 +0100
              Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-01 15:07 -0700
            Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-02 01:05 +0200
              Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 07:47 -0400
      Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 12:47 +0200
        Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-05-02 12:59 +0200
          Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 15:01 +0200
          Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-02 21:10 +0200
            Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-02 13:34 -0600
  Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-01 09:23 -0400
  Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-01 14:29 +0100
    Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-01 09:37 -0400
      Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 16:18 +0200
        Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-01 17:10 +0100
          Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 18:45 +0200
          Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-01 20:21 +0200
            Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-01 14:44 -0400
            Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-01 13:44 -0500
              Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 12:03 -0700
          Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-02 10:59 -0400
            Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 17:18 +0200
    Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-01 10:10 -0400
      Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-01 17:16 +0100
        Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-01 12:20 -0400
          Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-01 17:33 +0100
          Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... "Poisoned by Win 8.1" <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 13:13 -0700
            Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-01 16:41 -0400
              Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-01 13:48 -0700
          Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-01 21:01 -0400
            Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 07:42 -0400
              Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-02 08:59 -0400
        Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-01 12:23 -0400
          Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-05-01 18:48 +0200
            Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-01 09:54 -0700
            Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-01 13:05 -0400
        Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-01 09:32 -0700
        Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-01 10:42 -0600
          Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-01 13:02 -0400
            Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-01 13:05 -0400
              Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-01 10:14 -0700
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... "Poisoned by Win 8.1" <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 13:21 -0700
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 13:43 -0700
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-01 16:03 -0600
              Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-01 13:20 -0400
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-01 10:29 -0700
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 10:35 -0700
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-01 14:23 -0400
            Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-01 12:20 -0600
        Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 18:46 +0200
          Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-02 11:56 +0100
          Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 11:12 -0700
    Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-02 10:59 -0400
  Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Rob <mefffrrggtt@privacy.net> - 2014-05-01 16:35 -0700
    More lies and FUD from the Softy L00ns Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-01 20:05 -0400
      Re: More lies and FUD from the Softy L00ns William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-05-02 10:50 +0100
    Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May confuse n00bs tinus61 <tinus61@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-02 03:45 +0200
      Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 07:39 -0400
        Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-02 13:03 -0400
          Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 13:46 -0400
            Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-03 14:39 -0400
              Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 12:10 -0700
              Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-03 15:18 -0400
              Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-03 12:56 -0700
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 13:54 -0700
          Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-02 17:07 -0400
            Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 18:05 -0700
    Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 07:48 -0400
      Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-02 09:01 -0400
        Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-02 09:20 -0400
          Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-02 10:50 -0400
            Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 17:17 +0200
              Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-02 11:26 -0400
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-02 08:39 -0700
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 11:17 -0700
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 11:31 -0700
                Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS May Cripple Your PC... Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 11:22 -0700

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