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Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-25 19:42 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 20:45 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 17:48 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-25 18:02 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 00:42 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-25 22:56 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 01:11 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 11:00 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 09:49 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Sinister Midget <fardblossom@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 20:09 +0000
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 13:17 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-26 15:38 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-26 13:12 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 13:16 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 16:26 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-26 15:39 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 17:50 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-26 13:58 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 17:52 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 23:59 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-27 01:01 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 21:19 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 07:34 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-26 19:19 -0600
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 17:11 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 17:07 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-26 17:36 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-27 01:00 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 17:26 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 19:44 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 18:06 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-04-27 09:52 +0100
Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 21:20 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 18:26 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2014-04-27 22:21 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 13:23 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-26 16:00 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 19:29 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 17:43 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-27 18:45 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Richard Starkey <nobody@ringo.jpunix.net> - 2014-04-26 02:44 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 08:15 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-04-26 14:21 +0100
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 10:24 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 09:50 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 09:47 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-26 13:11 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 10:24 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 23:53 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-27 00:07 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-26 17:35 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-27 00:57 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-26 19:56 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 18:06 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 01:24 +0000
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 18:26 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-26 21:27 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 18:37 -0700
To get -your- job done, buy a PC. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2014-04-26 19:07 -0700
Re: To get -your- job done, buy a PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 19:11 -0700
Re: To get -your- job done, buy a PC. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 20:26 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-27 11:19 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-27 17:46 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 09:30 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-27 12:46 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-27 13:39 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings "Cola Zealot" <Cola_Zealot@fuckoff.com> - 2014-04-27 22:30 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 13:35 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 14:41 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 15:51 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 16:00 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 12:20 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 11:21 -0600
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 13:33 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 12:08 -0600
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 21:03 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 13:27 -0600
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 17:35 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-28 14:49 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 23:53 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 18:11 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 17:28 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2014-04-28 22:47 +0100
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 18:04 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-27 13:37 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 12:33 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-27 19:39 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 09:14 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-04-28 05:46 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-28 03:37 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 13:00 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-28 08:22 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-28 14:37 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-28 09:25 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-04-28 08:22 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-04-28 13:00 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-28 12:08 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-04-28 18:05 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 19:42 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-28 16:52 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 15:49 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 12:11 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 11:26 -0600
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 13:37 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-28 10:58 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 17:19 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-28 14:31 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 16:14 -0600
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 18:28 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-29 00:37 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 18:44 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-29 01:09 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 19:52 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-04-29 00:26 +0200
Re: Apple has more record earnings chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-29 06:54 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 12:11 -0600
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 17:32 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-28 12:52 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-28 14:05 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-04-28 15:11 -0600
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-28 12:51 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-04-27 18:56 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 20:40 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-28 08:51 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 17:31 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-27 11:13 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 09:29 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 17:33 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-04-27 11:06 -0400
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 09:24 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-04-27 13:41 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-27 12:33 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-28 07:59 -0500
Re: Apple has more record earnings Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-04-26 09:50 -0700
Re: Apple has more record earnings Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2014-04-26 04:12 -0500
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| From | Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 15:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <87a9b5r2cv.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #240560 |
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes: > On 04/26/2014 06:57 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >> Lloyd E Parsons wrote: > >>> The hardware is excellent and wintel boxes with the better hardware and >>> designs cost about the same, though slightly less. >> >> Around 2 times as much as a comparable wintel box is "about the same"? > > Don't play JED-dumb here. > > Which Apple computer are you referring to? > Watch Kohlkopf run. And Slimer with him. -- "I have a BSEE.... Negative feedback has many benefits, but "maintaining stability" is not one of them. Just the opposite, in fact." The turdv/chrisv idiot and his pretend BSEE degree. PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
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| From | Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 12:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ljluk9$5lq$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240624 |
On 2014-04-28 9:49 AM, Hadron wrote: > DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes: > >> On 04/26/2014 06:57 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >>> Lloyd E Parsons wrote: >> >>>> The hardware is excellent and wintel boxes with the better hardware and >>>> designs cost about the same, though slightly less. >>> >>> Around 2 times as much as a comparable wintel box is "about the same"? >> >> Don't play JED-dumb here. >> >> Which Apple computer are you referring to? >> > > Watch Kohlkopf run. And Slimer with him. What am I running from? You want me to build a MacPro machine for less than Apple charges? I'm not the one who made the statement that it can be made for less on the PC side, that was Peter. I was only referring to the laptop side where PC laptops, at the same price range as what Apple expects for their high-end models, end up getting much better machines. I can easily prove that if you so desire. -- Silver Slimer Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter 163 Reasons not to deal with Michael "Snit" Glasser, the Prescott Computer Guy http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html
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| From | GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 11:26 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <X8KdnRIvmsfeEsPOnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@bresnan.com> |
| In reply to | #240644 |
On 4/28/2014 10:11 AM, Silver Slimer wrote: > On 2014-04-28 9:49 AM, Hadron wrote: >> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> writes: >> >>> On 04/26/2014 06:57 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >>>> Lloyd E Parsons wrote: >>> >>>>> The hardware is excellent and wintel boxes with the better hardware >>>>> and >>>>> designs cost about the same, though slightly less. >>>> >>>> Around 2 times as much as a comparable wintel box is "about the same"? >>> >>> Don't play JED-dumb here. >>> >>> Which Apple computer are you referring to? >>> >> >> Watch Kohlkopf run. And Slimer with him. > > What am I running from? You want me to build a MacPro machine for less > than Apple charges? I'm not the one who made the statement that it can > be made for less on the PC side, that was Peter. I was only referring to > the laptop side where PC laptops, at the same price range as what Apple > expects for their high-end models, end up getting much better machines. > I can easily prove that if you so desire. > I believe that the mac pro has two cpu sockets for the Xeon processor. Those Xeons aren't cheap. Neither is the mobo in this case for a regular PC. I don't know if the regular PC comes with the Intel Thunderbolt ports tho or if a card is made for a PC. Plus the Xeon can come with up to 12 cores each. I'm happy with just the i7. On Apple for a developer, the problems start with Apples development tools. The changes each release are significant enough for one to pull his hair out wondering what changed, and why his earlier program now doesn't work on the new os. It is one of the reasons I went to windows.
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| From | Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 13:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ljm3lf$9sk$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240675 |
On 2014-04-28 1:26 PM, GreyCloud wrote: >>> Watch Kohlkopf run. And Slimer with him. >> >> What am I running from? You want me to build a MacPro machine for less >> than Apple charges? I'm not the one who made the statement that it can >> be made for less on the PC side, that was Peter. I was only referring to >> the laptop side where PC laptops, at the same price range as what Apple >> expects for their high-end models, end up getting much better machines. >> I can easily prove that if you so desire. >> > I believe that the mac pro has two cpu sockets for the Xeon processor. > Those Xeons aren't cheap. Neither is the mobo in this case for a > regular PC. I don't know if the regular PC comes with the Intel > Thunderbolt ports tho or if a card is made for a PC. Plus the Xeon > can come with up to 12 cores each. I'm happy with just the i7. > > On Apple for a developer, the problems start with Apples development > tools. The changes each release are significant enough for one to pull > his hair out wondering what changed, and why his earlier program now > doesn't work on the new os. It is one of the reasons I went to windows. Poor development tools are but ONE reason to migrate from OS X and Apple. The other is the fact that the machines, no matter how good they are, suffer from terrible upgrade options. What if you want to change the GPUs or the processors? Can you? What about an improved motherboard? A PC user doesn't ask these questions because they know that they can and that hundreds of different options are constantly at their disposal, not just Apple-approved upgrades. -- Silver Slimer Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter 163 Reasons not to deal with Michael "Snit" Glasser, the Prescott Computer Guy http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 10:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8b9cfef7-94af-4902-a73e-63a911f166d6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #240678 |
Silver Slimer wrote: > > Poor development tools are but ONE reason to migrate from OS X and > Apple. The other is the fact that the machines, no matter how good they > are, suffer from terrible upgrade options. What if you want to change > the GPUs or the processors? Can you? What about an improved motherboard? In the professional environment that is the audience for this machine, the simple answer is that you don't dick around with trying to modify a 'Prodution' machine. What's done is that you go out and buy a second machine w/better specs and run it in parallel to make sure that it is sorted out, and into production. Once it has proven itself, you retire the old machine. Doing anything less is cutting corners which means you're playing Russian Roulette with your livelihood. FWIW, this is also the same basic reason why a Pro won't mess around with Pirated software or Hackintoshes either: the downside risks of something going wrong are simply too high. -hh
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| From | Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 17:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ljmgli$il2$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240680 |
On 2014-04-28 1:58 PM, -hh wrote: > Silver Slimer wrote: >> >> Poor development tools are but ONE reason to migrate from OS X and >> Apple. The other is the fact that the machines, no matter how good they >> are, suffer from terrible upgrade options. What if you want to change >> the GPUs or the processors? Can you? What about an improved motherboard? > > In the professional environment that is the audience for this machine, the simple answer is that you don't dick around with trying to modify a 'Prodution' machine. > > What's done is that you go out and buy a second machine w/better specs and run it in parallel to make sure that it is sorted out, and into production. Once it has proven itself, you retire the old machine. > > Doing anything less is cutting corners which means you're playing Russian Roulette with your livelihood. > > FWIW, this is also the same basic reason why a Pro won't mess around with Pirated software or Hackintoshes either: the downside risks of something going wrong are simply too high. Well stated. I would rather chance an upgrade on an existing machine but I have to admit that anyone who relies on a machine for their business wouldn't want to risk the downtime and/or the possibility that an upgrade would fail. I'm actually curious which distribution companies which rely on GNU/Linux for their business use. Redhat perhaps? Does Ubuntu provide any kind of assurance to businesses that there will be no failure and that direct support will be provided if ever there is? -- Silver Slimer Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter 163 Reasons not to deal with Michael "Snit" Glasser, the Prescott Computer Guy http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 14:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <CF8416B3.35E9C%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #240711 |
On 4/28/14, 2:19 PM, in article ljmgli$il2$2@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer" <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote: > On 2014-04-28 1:58 PM, -hh wrote: >> Silver Slimer wrote: >>> >>> Poor development tools are but ONE reason to migrate from OS X and >>> Apple. The other is the fact that the machines, no matter how good they >>> are, suffer from terrible upgrade options. What if you want to change >>> the GPUs or the processors? Can you? What about an improved motherboard? >> >> In the professional environment that is the audience for this machine, the >> simple answer is that you don't dick around with trying to modify a >> 'Prodution' machine. >> >> What's done is that you go out and buy a second machine w/better specs and >> run it in parallel to make sure that it is sorted out, and into production. >> Once it has proven itself, you retire the old machine. >> >> Doing anything less is cutting corners which means you're playing Russian >> Roulette with your livelihood. >> >> FWIW, this is also the same basic reason why a Pro won't mess around with >> Pirated software or Hackintoshes either: the downside risks of something >> going wrong are simply too high. > > Well stated. I would rather chance an upgrade on an existing machine but > I have to admit that anyone who relies on a machine for their business > wouldn't want to risk the downtime and/or the possibility that an > upgrade would fail. Also true of most home users. But there is a subset who do care and Apple does not serve this group well. Agreed. > I'm actually curious which distribution companies which rely on > GNU/Linux for their business use. Redhat perhaps? Does Ubuntu provide > any kind of assurance to businesses that there will be no failure and > that direct support will be provided if ever there is? -- * Mint MATE: Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint / LibreOffice: <http://youtu.be/USU9iqppfto> * Win 8 / Word 2013: <http://youtu.be/z8gUL2TCcV4> * Mavericks / Pages 5.1: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
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| From | GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 16:14 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <tsCdnRu60_xxT8POnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@bresnan.com> |
| In reply to | #240711 |
On 4/28/2014 3:19 PM, Silver Slimer wrote: > On 2014-04-28 1:58 PM, -hh wrote: >> Silver Slimer wrote: >>> >>> Poor development tools are but ONE reason to migrate from OS X and >>> Apple. The other is the fact that the machines, no matter how good they >>> are, suffer from terrible upgrade options. What if you want to change >>> the GPUs or the processors? Can you? What about an improved motherboard? >> >> In the professional environment that is the audience for this machine, >> the simple answer is that you don't dick around with trying to modify >> a 'Prodution' machine. >> >> What's done is that you go out and buy a second machine w/better specs >> and run it in parallel to make sure that it is sorted out, and into >> production. Once it has proven itself, you retire the old machine. >> >> Doing anything less is cutting corners which means you're playing >> Russian Roulette with your livelihood. >> >> FWIW, this is also the same basic reason why a Pro won't mess around >> with Pirated software or Hackintoshes either: the downside risks of >> something going wrong are simply too high. > > Well stated. I would rather chance an upgrade on an existing machine but > I have to admit that anyone who relies on a machine for their business > wouldn't want to risk the downtime and/or the possibility that an > upgrade would fail. > > I'm actually curious which distribution companies which rely on > GNU/Linux for their business use. Redhat perhaps? Does Ubuntu provide > any kind of assurance to businesses that there will be no failure and > that direct support will be provided if ever there is? > From what I've seen at Loewes, they seem to use just the bare bones linux and nothing else. Obviously, it is all text and the use of curses for screen positioning. No gui is used, and from examining their cabling, it looks like they are just using a two wire system.
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| From | Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 18:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ljmkn5$i41$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240726 |
On 2014-04-28 6:14 PM, GreyCloud wrote: > On 4/28/2014 3:19 PM, Silver Slimer wrote: >> On 2014-04-28 1:58 PM, -hh wrote: >>> Silver Slimer wrote: >>>> >>>> Poor development tools are but ONE reason to migrate from OS X and >>>> Apple. The other is the fact that the machines, no matter how good they >>>> are, suffer from terrible upgrade options. What if you want to change >>>> the GPUs or the processors? Can you? What about an improved motherboard? >>> >>> In the professional environment that is the audience for this machine, >>> the simple answer is that you don't dick around with trying to modify >>> a 'Prodution' machine. >>> >>> What's done is that you go out and buy a second machine w/better specs >>> and run it in parallel to make sure that it is sorted out, and into >>> production. Once it has proven itself, you retire the old machine. >>> >>> Doing anything less is cutting corners which means you're playing >>> Russian Roulette with your livelihood. >>> >>> FWIW, this is also the same basic reason why a Pro won't mess around >>> with Pirated software or Hackintoshes either: the downside risks of >>> something going wrong are simply too high. >> >> Well stated. I would rather chance an upgrade on an existing machine but >> I have to admit that anyone who relies on a machine for their business >> wouldn't want to risk the downtime and/or the possibility that an >> upgrade would fail. >> >> I'm actually curious which distribution companies which rely on >> GNU/Linux for their business use. Redhat perhaps? Does Ubuntu provide >> any kind of assurance to businesses that there will be no failure and >> that direct support will be provided if ever there is? >> > From what I've seen at Loewes, they seem to use just the bare bones > linux and nothing else. Obviously, it is all text and the use of curses > for screen positioning. No gui is used, and from examining their > cabling, it looks like they are just using a two wire system. There is absolutely no way a CLI-only GNU/Linux installation can fail so I guess it's not a bad idea. However, I'm mostly referring to any company which decides to produce music or graphics using only GNU/Linux. Are there any? If so, which is the distribution of choice for them if they are unwilling to even CHANCE the possibility of failure? -- Silver Slimer Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter 163 Reasons not to deal with Michael "Snit" Glasser, the Prescott Computer Guy http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2014-04-29 00:37 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljml73$o02$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240733 |
Silver Slimer wrote: > On 2014-04-28 6:14 PM, GreyCloud wrote: >> On 4/28/2014 3:19 PM, Silver Slimer wrote: >>> On 2014-04-28 1:58 PM, -hh wrote: >>>> Silver Slimer wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Poor development tools are but ONE reason to migrate from OS X and >>>>> Apple. The other is the fact that the machines, no matter how good >>>>> they are, suffer from terrible upgrade options. What if you want to >>>>> change the GPUs or the processors? Can you? What about an improved >>>>> motherboard? >>>> >>>> In the professional environment that is the audience for this machine, >>>> the simple answer is that you don't dick around with trying to modify >>>> a 'Prodution' machine. >>>> >>>> What's done is that you go out and buy a second machine w/better specs >>>> and run it in parallel to make sure that it is sorted out, and into >>>> production. Once it has proven itself, you retire the old machine. >>>> >>>> Doing anything less is cutting corners which means you're playing >>>> Russian Roulette with your livelihood. >>>> >>>> FWIW, this is also the same basic reason why a Pro won't mess around >>>> with Pirated software or Hackintoshes either: the downside risks of >>>> something going wrong are simply too high. >>> >>> Well stated. I would rather chance an upgrade on an existing machine but >>> I have to admit that anyone who relies on a machine for their business >>> wouldn't want to risk the downtime and/or the possibility that an >>> upgrade would fail. >>> >>> I'm actually curious which distribution companies which rely on >>> GNU/Linux for their business use. Redhat perhaps? Does Ubuntu provide >>> any kind of assurance to businesses that there will be no failure and >>> that direct support will be provided if ever there is? >>> >> From what I've seen at Loewes, they seem to use just the bare bones >> linux and nothing else. Obviously, it is all text and the use of curses >> for screen positioning. No gui is used, and from examining their >> cabling, it looks like they are just using a two wire system. > > There is absolutely no way a CLI-only GNU/Linux installation can fail so > I guess it's not a bad idea. However, I'm mostly referring to any > company which decides to produce music or graphics using only GNU/Linux. > Are there any? If so, which is the distribution of choice for them if > they are unwilling to even CHANCE the possibility of failure? > Well, take WETA (they made Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit) or Industrial Light and Magic (they made the Star Wars series). Both run their programs on linux, WETA to the extend that you can see the KDE desktops in their "making of" DVDs. They do not only the server stuff on linux, their desktops run it too. For both of these companies windows would not even be a possibility, their stuff depends on the vastly superior clustering linux provides.
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| From | Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 18:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ljmljn$pn3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240734 |
On 2014-04-28 6:37 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: > Silver Slimer wrote: > >> On 2014-04-28 6:14 PM, GreyCloud wrote: >>> On 4/28/2014 3:19 PM, Silver Slimer wrote: >>>> On 2014-04-28 1:58 PM, -hh wrote: >>>>> Silver Slimer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Poor development tools are but ONE reason to migrate from OS X and >>>>>> Apple. The other is the fact that the machines, no matter how good >>>>>> they are, suffer from terrible upgrade options. What if you want to >>>>>> change the GPUs or the processors? Can you? What about an improved >>>>>> motherboard? >>>>> >>>>> In the professional environment that is the audience for this machine, >>>>> the simple answer is that you don't dick around with trying to modify >>>>> a 'Prodution' machine. >>>>> >>>>> What's done is that you go out and buy a second machine w/better specs >>>>> and run it in parallel to make sure that it is sorted out, and into >>>>> production. Once it has proven itself, you retire the old machine. >>>>> >>>>> Doing anything less is cutting corners which means you're playing >>>>> Russian Roulette with your livelihood. >>>>> >>>>> FWIW, this is also the same basic reason why a Pro won't mess around >>>>> with Pirated software or Hackintoshes either: the downside risks of >>>>> something going wrong are simply too high. >>>> >>>> Well stated. I would rather chance an upgrade on an existing machine but >>>> I have to admit that anyone who relies on a machine for their business >>>> wouldn't want to risk the downtime and/or the possibility that an >>>> upgrade would fail. >>>> >>>> I'm actually curious which distribution companies which rely on >>>> GNU/Linux for their business use. Redhat perhaps? Does Ubuntu provide >>>> any kind of assurance to businesses that there will be no failure and >>>> that direct support will be provided if ever there is? >>>> >>> From what I've seen at Loewes, they seem to use just the bare bones >>> linux and nothing else. Obviously, it is all text and the use of curses >>> for screen positioning. No gui is used, and from examining their >>> cabling, it looks like they are just using a two wire system. >> >> There is absolutely no way a CLI-only GNU/Linux installation can fail so >> I guess it's not a bad idea. However, I'm mostly referring to any >> company which decides to produce music or graphics using only GNU/Linux. >> Are there any? If so, which is the distribution of choice for them if >> they are unwilling to even CHANCE the possibility of failure? >> > > Well, take WETA (they made Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit) or Industrial > Light and Magic (they made the Star Wars series). > Both run their programs on linux, WETA to the extend that you can see the > KDE desktops in their "making of" DVDs. They do not only the server stuff on > linux, their desktops run it too. > > For both of these companies windows would not even be a possibility, their > stuff depends on the vastly superior clustering linux provides. I understand that but which is their distribution of choice? -- Silver Slimer Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter 163 Reasons not to deal with Michael "Snit" Glasser, the Prescott Computer Guy http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2014-04-29 01:09 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljmn2r$35t$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240735 |
Silver Slimer wrote: > On 2014-04-28 6:37 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >> Silver Slimer wrote: >> >>> On 2014-04-28 6:14 PM, GreyCloud wrote: >>>> On 4/28/2014 3:19 PM, Silver Slimer wrote: >>>>> On 2014-04-28 1:58 PM, -hh wrote: >>>>>> Silver Slimer wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Poor development tools are but ONE reason to migrate from OS X and >>>>>>> Apple. The other is the fact that the machines, no matter how good >>>>>>> they are, suffer from terrible upgrade options. What if you want to >>>>>>> change the GPUs or the processors? Can you? What about an improved >>>>>>> motherboard? >>>>>> >>>>>> In the professional environment that is the audience for this >>>>>> machine, the simple answer is that you don't dick around with trying >>>>>> to modify a 'Prodution' machine. >>>>>> >>>>>> What's done is that you go out and buy a second machine w/better >>>>>> specs and run it in parallel to make sure that it is sorted out, and >>>>>> into >>>>>> production. Once it has proven itself, you retire the old machine. >>>>>> >>>>>> Doing anything less is cutting corners which means you're playing >>>>>> Russian Roulette with your livelihood. >>>>>> >>>>>> FWIW, this is also the same basic reason why a Pro won't mess around >>>>>> with Pirated software or Hackintoshes either: the downside risks of >>>>>> something going wrong are simply too high. >>>>> >>>>> Well stated. I would rather chance an upgrade on an existing machine >>>>> but I have to admit that anyone who relies on a machine for their >>>>> business wouldn't want to risk the downtime and/or the possibility >>>>> that an upgrade would fail. >>>>> >>>>> I'm actually curious which distribution companies which rely on >>>>> GNU/Linux for their business use. Redhat perhaps? Does Ubuntu provide >>>>> any kind of assurance to businesses that there will be no failure and >>>>> that direct support will be provided if ever there is? >>>>> >>>> From what I've seen at Loewes, they seem to use just the bare bones >>>> linux and nothing else. Obviously, it is all text and the use of >>>> curses >>>> for screen positioning. No gui is used, and from examining their >>>> cabling, it looks like they are just using a two wire system. >>> >>> There is absolutely no way a CLI-only GNU/Linux installation can fail so >>> I guess it's not a bad idea. However, I'm mostly referring to any >>> company which decides to produce music or graphics using only GNU/Linux. >>> Are there any? If so, which is the distribution of choice for them if >>> they are unwilling to even CHANCE the possibility of failure? >>> >> >> Well, take WETA (they made Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit) or >> Industrial Light and Magic (they made the Star Wars series). >> Both run their programs on linux, WETA to the extend that you can see the >> KDE desktops in their "making of" DVDs. They do not only the server stuff >> on linux, their desktops run it too. >> >> For both of these companies windows would not even be a possibility, >> their stuff depends on the vastly superior clustering linux provides. > > I understand that but which is their distribution of choice? > I don't know and I don't care. Obviously at least WETA uses KDE for the desktop, they use RHEL (Redhat) for their machines All distros derived from Debian (like all the Ubuntus and Mint) are not really good at KDE support, but if you know what you are doing you can use any distro as underbelly for KDE as the differences lay in the default setup But you did ask for companies in graphics / music which use linux to produce their stuff (and depend on it). I gave 2 examples of companies which not just use linux but *rely* on it for their business, 2 companies which made several of the most impressive movies with CGI graphics of the last decades. Note that WETA also made "Avatar", one of the most stunning movies of that kind since nearly all of it is CGI
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| From | Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 19:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ljmpj1$ga0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240741 |
On 2014-04-28 7:09 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >>> Well, take WETA (they made Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit) or >>> Industrial Light and Magic (they made the Star Wars series). >>> Both run their programs on linux, WETA to the extend that you can see the >>> KDE desktops in their "making of" DVDs. They do not only the server stuff >>> on linux, their desktops run it too. >>> >>> For both of these companies windows would not even be a possibility, >>> their stuff depends on the vastly superior clustering linux provides. >> >> I understand that but which is their distribution of choice? >> > > I don't know and I don't care. Obviously at least WETA uses KDE for the > desktop, they use RHEL (Redhat) for their machines > > All distros derived from Debian (like all the Ubuntus and Mint) are not > really good at KDE support, but if you know what you are doing you can use > any distro as underbelly for KDE as the differences lay in the default setup > > But you did ask for companies in graphics / music which use linux to produce > their stuff (and depend on it). > I gave 2 examples of companies which not just use linux but *rely* on it for > their business, 2 companies which made several of the most impressive movies > with CGI graphics of the last decades. Note that WETA also made "Avatar", > one of the most stunning movies of that kind since nearly all of it is CGI If it's good enough to produce some of the most remarkable movies of the past two decades, I'd have to say that it's worth another look once the games start flowing into SteamOS and GNU/Linux. -- Silver Slimer Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter 163 Reasons not to deal with Michael "Snit" Glasser, the Prescott Computer Guy http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2014-04-29 00:26 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljmkj7$i0v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240711 |
Silver Slimer wrote: > I'm actually curious which distribution companies which rely on > GNU/Linux for their business use. Redhat perhaps? Yes, they do. And Suse > Does Ubuntu provide any kind of assurance to businesses that there will be > no failure and that direct support will be provided if ever there is? No. Ubuntu does provide long term support, but it is not really geared at big business users. Redhat and Suse address those. Debian would be fine for business use if they did not follow their sometimes boneheaded philosophy (which also makes using their linux version somewhat tedious for anyone who isn't a 150% GPL fanboi (wink wink, Hadron Larry)) Both Readhat and Suse also provide a "home user" version of their OS, Fedora in Redhats case, and OpenSuse in Suses case. These versions are more bleeding edge, and bugs found and repaired there are backported into the stable versions of their business systems, making their business systems more reliable by having a much greater user base through their home users versions
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-04-29 06:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vb4vl9d4ash4andb24klu2bj84k8r0ifqn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #240730 |
Peter Köhlmann wrote: > troll: >> >> Does Ubuntu provide any kind of assurance to businesses that there will be >> no failure and that direct support will be provided if ever there is? > >No. Ubuntu does provide long term support, but it is not really geared at >big business users. Redhat and Suse address those. These trolls don't want much, eh? Who would expect a gratis product to have any kind of "assurance" of "no failure" or of "direct support"? Reminds me of when the Ezekreep whined that small, community-supported distros like Puppy Linux have no "iron clad service and performance guarantee". Seriously! Puppy! You could not make this stuff up! What a fsckwit! -- 'Do tell IBM, Oracle or Redhat that you want high level "iron clad" service and performance guarantee for Puppy Linux or Easy Peasy Linux or Parsix and see of far you get.' - trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel"
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| From | GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 12:11 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <LM2dnRfQbtpcBMPOnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@bresnan.com> |
| In reply to | #240678 |
On 4/28/2014 11:37 AM, Silver Slimer wrote: > On 2014-04-28 1:26 PM, GreyCloud wrote: > >>>> Watch Kohlkopf run. And Slimer with him. >>> >>> What am I running from? You want me to build a MacPro machine for less >>> than Apple charges? I'm not the one who made the statement that it can >>> be made for less on the PC side, that was Peter. I was only referring to >>> the laptop side where PC laptops, at the same price range as what Apple >>> expects for their high-end models, end up getting much better machines. >>> I can easily prove that if you so desire. >>> >> I believe that the mac pro has two cpu sockets for the Xeon processor. >> Those Xeons aren't cheap. Neither is the mobo in this case for a >> regular PC. I don't know if the regular PC comes with the Intel >> Thunderbolt ports tho or if a card is made for a PC. Plus the Xeon >> can come with up to 12 cores each. I'm happy with just the i7. >> >> On Apple for a developer, the problems start with Apples development >> tools. The changes each release are significant enough for one to pull >> his hair out wondering what changed, and why his earlier program now >> doesn't work on the new os. It is one of the reasons I went to windows. > > Poor development tools are but ONE reason to migrate from OS X and > Apple. The other is the fact that the machines, no matter how good they > are, suffer from terrible upgrade options. What if you want to change > the GPUs or the processors? Can you? What about an improved motherboard? > A PC user doesn't ask these questions because they know that they can > and that hundreds of different options are constantly at their disposal, > not just Apple-approved upgrades. > That's true. Plus if anything breaks on my HP tower, I can easily fix it. I had to take down my wifes iMac to an Apple repair shop to replace the hard drive that only lasted about 3 years. My old 16 year IBM still has its original hard drive. Too bad IBM got out of the PC business.
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| From | Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 17:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ljmhcl$pv5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #240687 |
On 2014-04-28 2:11 PM, GreyCloud wrote: > On 4/28/2014 11:37 AM, Silver Slimer wrote: >> On 2014-04-28 1:26 PM, GreyCloud wrote: >> >>>>> Watch Kohlkopf run. And Slimer with him. >>>> >>>> What am I running from? You want me to build a MacPro machine for less >>>> than Apple charges? I'm not the one who made the statement that it can >>>> be made for less on the PC side, that was Peter. I was only referring to >>>> the laptop side where PC laptops, at the same price range as what Apple >>>> expects for their high-end models, end up getting much better machines. >>>> I can easily prove that if you so desire. >>>> >>> I believe that the mac pro has two cpu sockets for the Xeon processor. >>> Those Xeons aren't cheap. Neither is the mobo in this case for a >>> regular PC. I don't know if the regular PC comes with the Intel >>> Thunderbolt ports tho or if a card is made for a PC. Plus the Xeon >>> can come with up to 12 cores each. I'm happy with just the i7. >>> >>> On Apple for a developer, the problems start with Apples development >>> tools. The changes each release are significant enough for one to pull >>> his hair out wondering what changed, and why his earlier program now >>> doesn't work on the new os. It is one of the reasons I went to windows. >> >> Poor development tools are but ONE reason to migrate from OS X and >> Apple. The other is the fact that the machines, no matter how good they >> are, suffer from terrible upgrade options. What if you want to change >> the GPUs or the processors? Can you? What about an improved motherboard? >> A PC user doesn't ask these questions because they know that they can >> and that hundreds of different options are constantly at their disposal, >> not just Apple-approved upgrades. >> > That's true. Plus if anything breaks on my HP tower, I can easily fix > it. I had to take down my wifes iMac to an Apple repair shop to replace > the hard drive that only lasted about 3 years. My old 16 year IBM still > has its original hard drive. Too bad IBM got out of the PC business. The easy repair and upgrade process of the PC is the main reason I decided to use it as my main gaming console after I retired my PS3. The fact that the graphics are a lot better and that the games cost less just happen to be the cherry on top. After going through numerous XBOX 360 defects (1. overheating processor, 2. faulty drive, 3. faulty drive, 4. RROD) and NOT being able to fix ANY of them on my own, I decided that I'd like to be able to replace a defective part if ever anything happens. The PC allows that but it happens to be the ONLY thing which allows that. -- Silver Slimer Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter 163 Reasons not to deal with Michael "Snit" Glasser, the Prescott Computer Guy http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 12:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <CF83FF9C.35E87%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #240678 |
On 4/28/14, 10:37 AM, in article ljm3lf$9sk$3@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer" <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote: > On 2014-04-28 1:26 PM, GreyCloud wrote: > >>>> Watch Kohlkopf run. And Slimer with him. >>> >>> What am I running from? You want me to build a MacPro machine for less >>> than Apple charges? I'm not the one who made the statement that it can >>> be made for less on the PC side, that was Peter. I was only referring to >>> the laptop side where PC laptops, at the same price range as what Apple >>> expects for their high-end models, end up getting much better machines. >>> I can easily prove that if you so desire. >>> >> I believe that the mac pro has two cpu sockets for the Xeon processor. >> Those Xeons aren't cheap. Neither is the mobo in this case for a >> regular PC. I don't know if the regular PC comes with the Intel >> Thunderbolt ports tho or if a card is made for a PC. Plus the Xeon >> can come with up to 12 cores each. I'm happy with just the i7. >> >> On Apple for a developer, the problems start with Apples development >> tools. The changes each release are significant enough for one to pull >> his hair out wondering what changed, and why his earlier program now >> doesn't work on the new os. It is one of the reasons I went to windows. > > Poor development tools are but ONE reason to migrate from OS X and > Apple. The other is the fact that the machines, no matter how good they > are, suffer from terrible upgrade options. What if you want to change > the GPUs or the processors? Can you? What about an improved motherboard? > A PC user doesn't ask these questions because they know that they can > and that hundreds of different options are constantly at their disposal, > not just Apple-approved upgrades. If internal upgrades are a deciding factor for you your point is a valid one. No doubt. But for most people they never do such updates. -- * Mint MATE: Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint / LibreOffice: <http://youtu.be/USU9iqppfto> * Win 8 / Word 2013: <http://youtu.be/z8gUL2TCcV4> * Mavericks / Pages 5.1: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 14:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3272c797-d374-44b0-89db-c9f76227fe4c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #240675 |
GreyCloud wrote: > > I believe that the mac pro has two cpu sockets > for the Xeon processor. The old MP did, but I don't recall reading this about the new one ... its possible, but I suspect possibly not, as Apple isn't offering to sell any dual-CPU configurations. > Those Xeons aren't cheap. Plus the future isn't really CPU cores anymore, but workloading GPUs: I believe that the age of having dual CPUs in order to get more cores is coming to a close, particularly since Intel now also has a Xeon with IIRC 12 cores on a single CPU. > Neither is the mobo in this case for a regular PC. > I don't know if the regular PC comes with the Intel > Thunderbolt ports tho or if a card is made for a PC. There's been some discussion of Intel offering what would basically be a PCIe expansion card to provide Thunderbolt onto (some?) legacy motherboards...but with the advent of Thunderbolt-2, it is sounding to be a moot point to a degree: the real professional grade alternatives to TB appear to be things like Fibre Channel, which aren't cheap either. > On Apple for a developer, the problems start > with Apples development tools. The changes each > release are significant enough for one to pull > his hair out wondering what changed, and why > his earlier program now doesn't work on the new os. > It is one of the reasons I went to windows. Indeed; I've even had some longstanding Applescripts which are now no longer even compatible with Apple's own calendar App which was being used as their scheduler. That kind of stuff is basic and simply should not be broken. -hh
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| From | GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-28 15:11 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <uKCdndIIK4VhXsPOnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@bresnan.com> |
| In reply to | #240706 |
On 4/28/2014 3:05 PM, -hh wrote: > GreyCloud wrote: >> >> I believe that the mac pro has two cpu sockets >> for the Xeon processor. > > The old MP did, but I don't recall reading this > about the new one ... its possible, but I suspect > possibly not, as Apple isn't offering to sell any > dual-CPU configurations. > I see that Intel offers a 12 core Xeon, so a dual socket mobo isn't needed. >> Those Xeons aren't cheap. > > Plus the future isn't really CPU cores anymore, but > workloading GPUs: I believe that the age of having > dual CPUs in order to get more cores is coming to a > close, particularly since Intel now also has a Xeon > with IIRC 12 cores on a single CPU. > I think that's pretty much the limits on cpu design. There is only so far one can take that technology. The next step, I believe, is quantum cpus if that ever comes to fruition. OpenCL seems to fit the bill in getting the gpus to do a lot of the work. >> Neither is the mobo in this case for a regular PC. >> I don't know if the regular PC comes with the Intel >> Thunderbolt ports tho or if a card is made for a PC. > > There's been some discussion of Intel offering what > would basically be a PCIe expansion card to provide > Thunderbolt onto (some?) legacy motherboards...but > with the advent of Thunderbolt-2, it is sounding to > be a moot point to a degree: the real professional > grade alternatives to TB appear to be things like > Fibre Channel, which aren't cheap either. > > >> On Apple for a developer, the problems start >> with Apples development tools. The changes each >> release are significant enough for one to pull >> his hair out wondering what changed, and why >> his earlier program now doesn't work on the new os. >> It is one of the reasons I went to windows. > > Indeed; I've even had some longstanding Applescripts > which are now no longer even compatible with Apple's > own calendar App which was being used as their scheduler. > That kind of stuff is basic and simply should not be broken. > Well, Apple will learn in their own way what sells and what really doesn't. I'm still waiting to see if they'll ever get the bugs out of llvm. I've seen the Xcode mailing list contain a lot of gripes about the bugs in llvm lately.
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