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  Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 18:51 -0800
    Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-11-04 22:55 +0000
      Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 18:06 -0500
      Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-04 18:47 -0500
        Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 18:48 -0500
        Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-04 19:43 -0500
          Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 19:50 -0500
    Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-06 08:50 -0600
      Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-06 11:53 -0500
      Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 23:22 +0000
        Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-06 18:28 -0500
    Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-06 12:48 -0500
      Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-06 14:36 -0500
        Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-06 14:47 -0500
          Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-06 14:52 -0500
      Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 12:48 -0700
        Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-07 09:12 -0500
          Re: Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-07 13:53 -0700

#330784 — Windows 10 - an LGX user's perspective

I mentioned a week or three back the fun of getting Windows 10 working on 
my machine.  While a somewhat unpleasant experience, once past it, Win10 
seems stable enough.

And it has a quirk, er, perk or two which I kinda like.  Like it's 
virtual desktops.  Not quite up to full KDE standards, but hey, it's 
about 8 million times better than not having them at all.

By and large, the system's fairly responsive.  It gets a bit wonky if 
something is hammering the drive; it seems to give the drive, rather than 
the foreground task, priority.  A minor annoyance but just that: 
annoyance, and minor.

In the grand scheme of things, while Windows will never be my OS of 
choice, and this one apparently has some serious issues with privacy and 
the like, from a _usability_ and _user experience_ perspective, I find 
Win10 to be a significant step forward.

Pity that they had to go and put all the privacy 
invasions^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hissues into it, though.

Compared to, say, KDE+Dolphin, I'd say the Windows desktop was "sexier", 
but the KDE desktop was "smarter".  As to the underlying OS, well... it's 
still Windows under the hood, so however pretty the paint job, one can 
expect the engine needs a bit of work. :)

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#330949

On Tue, 03 Nov 2015 18:51:35 -0800, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:

> I mentioned a week or three back the fun of getting Windows 10 working
> on my machine.  While a somewhat unpleasant experience, once past it,
> Win10 seems stable enough.
> 
> And it has a quirk, er, perk or two which I kinda like.  Like it's
> virtual desktops.  Not quite up to full KDE standards, but hey, it's
> about 8 million times better than not having them at all.
> 
> By and large, the system's fairly responsive.  It gets a bit wonky if
> something is hammering the drive; it seems to give the drive, rather
> than the foreground task, priority.  A minor annoyance but just that:
> annoyance, and minor.
> 
> In the grand scheme of things, while Windows will never be my OS of
> choice, and this one apparently has some serious issues with privacy and
> the like, from a _usability_ and _user experience_ perspective, I find
> Win10 to be a significant step forward.
> 
> Pity that they had to go and put all the privacy
> invasions^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hissues into it, though.
> 
> Compared to, say, KDE+Dolphin, I'd say the Windows desktop was "sexier",
> but the KDE desktop was "smarter".  As to the underlying OS, well...
> it's still Windows under the hood, so however pretty the paint job, one
> can expect the engine needs a bit of work. :)

I detailed a bit of my own experiences in here with Win 10 before I back-
graded back to Windows 7.

One of the most annoying parts of the interface was moving a window for 
an application that was starting up, where I would grab a window and drag 
the mouse, and the system would lag behind by a couple of seconds before 
actually moving the window.  Windows 7 doesn't do that.

I'd already gone through and turned off most of the privacy violations, 
but when I came across the p2p update "feature" -- which, by default, is 
turned on -- that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I actually went and bought Win7 Ultimate, and I intend to stick with Win7 
as long as possible -- not hard to do, because all I use it for is some 
games, and updating the Garmin.

Good luck with your Win10...you're gonna need it. ;)

-- 
 -v
Kernel:4.1.5-sd  Desktop:Xfce 4.12.2  Distro:Linux Mint 17.2 Rafaela

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#330952

On 04 Nov 2015 22:55:45 GMT, vallor wrote:


> Good luck with your Linux...you're gonna need it. ;)

I fixed that for you.

-- 
You Ain't The Biggest Fish In The Crotch.

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#330961

On 2015-11-04 5:55 PM, vallor wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2015 18:51:35 -0800, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> 
>> I mentioned a week or three back the fun of getting Windows 10 working
>> on my machine.  While a somewhat unpleasant experience, once past it,
>> Win10 seems stable enough.
>>
>> And it has a quirk, er, perk or two which I kinda like.  Like it's
>> virtual desktops.  Not quite up to full KDE standards, but hey, it's
>> about 8 million times better than not having them at all.
>>
>> By and large, the system's fairly responsive.  It gets a bit wonky if
>> something is hammering the drive; it seems to give the drive, rather
>> than the foreground task, priority.  A minor annoyance but just that:
>> annoyance, and minor.
>>
>> In the grand scheme of things, while Windows will never be my OS of
>> choice, and this one apparently has some serious issues with privacy and
>> the like, from a _usability_ and _user experience_ perspective, I find
>> Win10 to be a significant step forward.
>>
>> Pity that they had to go and put all the privacy
>> invasions^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hissues into it, though.
>>
>> Compared to, say, KDE+Dolphin, I'd say the Windows desktop was "sexier",
>> but the KDE desktop was "smarter".  As to the underlying OS, well...
>> it's still Windows under the hood, so however pretty the paint job, one
>> can expect the engine needs a bit of work. :)
> 
> I detailed a bit of my own experiences in here with Win 10 before I back-
> graded back to Windows 7.
> 
> One of the most annoying parts of the interface was moving a window for 
> an application that was starting up, where I would grab a window and drag 
> the mouse, and the system would lag behind by a couple of seconds before 
> actually moving the window.  Windows 7 doesn't do that.
> 
> I'd already gone through and turned off most of the privacy violations, 
> but when I came across the p2p update "feature" -- which, by default, is 
> turned on -- that was the straw that broke the camel's back.
> 
> I actually went and bought Win7 Ultimate, and I intend to stick with Win7 
> as long as possible -- not hard to do, because all I use it for is some 
> games, and updating the Garmin.
> 
> Good luck with your Win10...you're gonna need it. ;)

I can understand why Microsoft made that p2p feature default. After all,
it removes the strain from its servers yet allows them to continue
offering a "free" product, but even I thought that it was pretty
annoying. I don't want my bandwidth to be used, non-stop mind you, to
send Windows 10 to other users. I don't mind doing so _once_, but not
forever.


-- 
Slimer

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#330963

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:47:15 -0500, Slimer wrote:

> On 2015-11-04 5:55 PM, vallor wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2015 18:51:35 -0800, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>> 
>>> I mentioned a week or three back the fun of getting Windows 10 working
>>> on my machine.  While a somewhat unpleasant experience, once past it,
>>> Win10 seems stable enough.
>>>
>>> And it has a quirk, er, perk or two which I kinda like.  Like it's
>>> virtual desktops.  Not quite up to full KDE standards, but hey, it's
>>> about 8 million times better than not having them at all.
>>>
>>> By and large, the system's fairly responsive.  It gets a bit wonky if
>>> something is hammering the drive; it seems to give the drive, rather
>>> than the foreground task, priority.  A minor annoyance but just that:
>>> annoyance, and minor.
>>>
>>> In the grand scheme of things, while Windows will never be my OS of
>>> choice, and this one apparently has some serious issues with privacy and
>>> the like, from a _usability_ and _user experience_ perspective, I find
>>> Win10 to be a significant step forward.
>>>
>>> Pity that they had to go and put all the privacy
>>> invasions^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hissues into it, though.
>>>
>>> Compared to, say, KDE+Dolphin, I'd say the Windows desktop was "sexier",
>>> but the KDE desktop was "smarter".  As to the underlying OS, well...
>>> it's still Windows under the hood, so however pretty the paint job, one
>>> can expect the engine needs a bit of work. :)
>> 
>> I detailed a bit of my own experiences in here with Win 10 before I back-
>> graded back to Windows 7.
>> 
>> One of the most annoying parts of the interface was moving a window for 
>> an application that was starting up, where I would grab a window and drag 
>> the mouse, and the system would lag behind by a couple of seconds before 
>> actually moving the window.  Windows 7 doesn't do that.
>> 
>> I'd already gone through and turned off most of the privacy violations, 
>> but when I came across the p2p update "feature" -- which, by default, is 
>> turned on -- that was the straw that broke the camel's back.
>> 
>> I actually went and bought Win7 Ultimate, and I intend to stick with Win7 
>> as long as possible -- not hard to do, because all I use it for is some 
>> games, and updating the Garmin.
>> 
>> Good luck with your Win10...you're gonna need it. ;)
> 
> I can understand why Microsoft made that p2p feature default. After all,
> it removes the strain from its servers yet allows them to continue
> offering a "free" product, but even I thought that it was pretty
> annoying. I don't want my bandwidth to be used, non-stop mind you, to
> send Windows 10 to other users. I don't mind doing so _once_, but not
> forever.

I turned it all off.
At least I think I have :)

My biggest complaint is why the lower end versions don't have the ability
to disable stuff like this?
At least from what I am reading.

Seems foolish to me.

-- 
You Ain't The Biggest Fish In The Crotch.

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#330982

"Slimer" <.m@nsn.s> wrote in message news:n1e59r$cj1$2@dont-email.me...
> On 2015-11-04 5:55 PM, vallor wrote:
>>
>> I actually went and bought Win7 Ultimate, and I intend to stick with Win7
>> as long as possible -- not hard to do, because all I use it for is some
>> games, and updating the Garmin.
>>
>> Good luck with your Win10...you're gonna need it. ;)
>
> I can understand why Microsoft made that p2p feature default. After all,
> it removes the strain from its servers yet allows them to continue
> offering a "free" product, but even I thought that it was pretty
> annoying. I don't want my bandwidth to be used, non-stop mind you, to
> send Windows 10 to other users. I don't mind doing so _once_, but not
> forever.
>

Fuck that. Providing bandwidth is part of the cost of doing business. In the 
grand scheme of things and the billions they make, the little that it costs 
them for bandwidth isn't much.

If it's for performance not cost, then use some of their many "partners" to 
distribute the patches/downloads across the globe.

To me it's ridiculous pushing/forcing their customers take part in a P2P 
network.

-- 
"Coding in C#, or any other object oriented language, is *not* programming. 
It is only arranging predetermined classes like a child will arrange toy 
blocks."

Fabian Russell
5 Aug 2015 <pan.2015.08.05.14.06.13@localhost.localdomain>

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#330986

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:43:58 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:

> "Slimer" <.m@nsn.s> wrote in message news:n1e59r$cj1$2@dont-email.me...
>> On 2015-11-04 5:55 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>
>>> I actually went and bought Win7 Ultimate, and I intend to stick with Win7
>>> as long as possible -- not hard to do, because all I use it for is some
>>> games, and updating the Garmin.
>>>
>>> Good luck with your Win10...you're gonna need it. ;)
>>
>> I can understand why Microsoft made that p2p feature default. After all,
>> it removes the strain from its servers yet allows them to continue
>> offering a "free" product, but even I thought that it was pretty
>> annoying. I don't want my bandwidth to be used, non-stop mind you, to
>> send Windows 10 to other users. I don't mind doing so _once_, but not
>> forever.
>>
> 
> Fuck that. Providing bandwidth is part of the cost of doing business. In the 
> grand scheme of things and the billions they make, the little that it costs 
> them for bandwidth isn't much.
> 
> If it's for performance not cost, then use some of their many "partners" to 
> distribute the patches/downloads across the globe.
> 
> To me it's ridiculous pushing/forcing their customers take part in a P2P 
> network.

+100
Should be an opt out on page one of the install.

-- 
You Ain't The Biggest Fish In The Crotch.

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#331254

Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:

>And it has a quirk, er, perk or two which I kinda like.  Like it's 
>virtual desktops.  Not quite up to full KDE standards, but hey, it's 
>about 8 million times better than not having them at all.

"DFS" once claimed that the fact that almost no Windows users use
virtual desktops is evidence that virtual desktops are "extremely
unimportant".

Seriously.  You couldn't make this stuff up.

Can you imagine displaying that kind of jackasshole "logic" and
continuing to "show your face" in here?

>In the grand scheme of things, while Windows will never be my OS of 
>choice, and this one apparently has some serious issues with privacy and 
>the like, from a _usability_ and _user experience_ perspective, I find 
>Win10 to be a significant step forward.

Even Win7 is not bad, in those regards.  Of course, it is a "one size
fits all" compromise, in many ways.

Nno matter how good any product is, it's not going to be the best
choice for 90 freaking percent of a market as large and diverse as
"desktop PC users".  

A single product might serve everyone pretty-well within a targeted
niche (e.g. "graphics professionals).  But "desktop PC users"?  No
fscking way.

-- 
"You're lying to promote multiple desktops, which are extremely
unimportant, as evidenced by the billion or so Windows users who don't
use them."  -  DumFSck

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#331305

On 11/6/2015 9:50 AM, shitv wrote:
> Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
>> And it has a quirk, er, perk or two which I kinda like.  Like it's
>> virtual desktops.  Not quite up to full KDE standards, but hey, it's
>> about 8 million times better than not having them at all.
>
> "DFS" once claimed that the fact that almost no Windows users use
> virtual desktops is evidence that virtual desktops are "extremely
> unimportant".

As proven by the fact that virtual desktops were never part of a popular 
3rd-party utility package.  Companies sold millions of copies of System 
Mechanic and Norton Utilities and antimalware and other programs to 
enhance Windows.




> Seriously.  You couldn't make this stuff up.
>
> Can you imagine displaying that kind of jackasshole "logic" and
> continuing to "show your face" in here?


Don't take it so hard, shit-for-brains.  You post stupid lies and idiocy 
in here all the time.


* "I am 100% honest."

* "malware is a natural and healthy phenomena"

* "users no longer need Windows."

* "Vista needs 4G and 2 fast CPU's to run acceptably well."

* "7 has never made as much of a jackass of himself as Ezekiel"

* "no cola advocate ever said anything about the iPad failing"

* "Microsoft products put larger OEMs at a real disadvantage"

* "DFS endorses the pirating of Windows software."






>> In the grand scheme of things, while Windows will never be my OS of
>> choice, and this one apparently has some serious issues with privacy and
>> the like, from a _usability_ and _user experience_ perspective, I find
>> Win10 to be a significant step forward.
>
> Even Win7 is not bad, in those regards.  Of course, it is a "one size
> fits all" compromise, in many ways.
>
> Nno matter how good any product is, it's not going to be the best
> choice for 90 freaking percent of a market as large and diverse as
> "desktop PC users".
>
> A single product might serve everyone pretty-well within a targeted
> niche (e.g. "graphics professionals).  But "desktop PC users"?  No
> fscking way.


Yes way, moron, as seen by 20 years of total desktop domination by Windows.

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#331381

On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 08:50:00 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> 
>>And it has a quirk, er, perk or two which I kinda like.  Like it's
>>virtual desktops.  Not quite up to full KDE standards, but hey, it's
>>about 8 million times better than not having them at all.
> 
> "DFS" once claimed that the fact that almost no Windows users use
> virtual desktops is evidence that virtual desktops are "extremely
> unimportant".
> 
> Seriously.  You couldn't make this stuff up.
> 
> Can you imagine displaying that kind of jackasshole "logic" and
> continuing to "show your face" in here?
> 
>>In the grand scheme of things, while Windows will never be my OS of
>>choice, and this one apparently has some serious issues with privacy and
>>the like, from a _usability_ and _user experience_ perspective, I find
>>Win10 to be a significant step forward.
> 
> Even Win7 is not bad, in those regards.  Of course, it is a "one size
> fits all" compromise, in many ways.
> 
> Nno matter how good any product is, it's not going to be the best choice
> for 90 freaking percent of a market as large and diverse as "desktop PC
> users".
> 
> A single product might serve everyone pretty-well within a targeted
> niche (e.g. "graphics professionals).  But "desktop PC users"?  No
> fscking way.

If one product suited everyone, then either Windows or Macs would be dead.

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#331385

On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 23:22:10 -0000 (UTC), Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 08:50:00 -0600, chrisv wrote:
> 
>> Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>> 
>>>And it has a quirk, er, perk or two which I kinda like.  Like it's
>>>virtual desktops.  Not quite up to full KDE standards, but hey, it's
>>>about 8 million times better than not having them at all.
>> 
>> "DFS" once claimed that the fact that almost no Windows users use
>> virtual desktops is evidence that virtual desktops are "extremely
>> unimportant".
>> 
>> Seriously.  You couldn't make this stuff up.
>> 
>> Can you imagine displaying that kind of jackasshole "logic" and
>> continuing to "show your face" in here?
>> 
>>>In the grand scheme of things, while Windows will never be my OS of
>>>choice, and this one apparently has some serious issues with privacy and
>>>the like, from a _usability_ and _user experience_ perspective, I find
>>>Win10 to be a significant step forward.
>> 
>> Even Win7 is not bad, in those regards.  Of course, it is a "one size
>> fits all" compromise, in many ways.
>> 
>> Nno matter how good any product is, it's not going to be the best choice
>> for 90 freaking percent of a market as large and diverse as "desktop PC
>> users".
>> 
>> A single product might serve everyone pretty-well within a targeted
>> niche (e.g. "graphics professionals).  But "desktop PC users"?  No
>> fscking way.
> 
> If one product suited everyone, then either Windows or Macs would be dead.

The target audience is somewhat different.
That is the key.

-- 
You Ain't The Biggest Fish In The Crotch.

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#331310

On 2015-11-04 02:51:35 +0000, Kelsey Bjarnason said:

> I mentioned a week or three back the fun of getting Windows 10 working on
> my machine.  While a somewhat unpleasant experience, once past it, Win10
> seems stable enough.
> 
> And it has a quirk, er, perk or two which I kinda like.


Do you like the quirk that it reports on virtually everything you do to 
Redmond?  Yes a lot can be turned off - but not all of it.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/windows-10-doesnt-offer-much-privacy-by-default-heres-how-to-fix-it/ 


http://www.newsweek.com/windows-10-recording-users-every-move-358952

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/31/windows-10-microsoft-faces-criticism-over-privacy-default-settings 


The deepest privacy settings can only be turned off if you purchase the 
Enterprise version of W10.

It's really horrible and should be avoided at all costs.

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#331325

On 2015-11-06 12:48 PM, Bob Loblaw wrote:
> On 2015-11-04 02:51:35 +0000, Kelsey Bjarnason said:
> 
>> I mentioned a week or three back the fun of getting Windows 10 working on
>> my machine.  While a somewhat unpleasant experience, once past it, Win10
>> seems stable enough.
>>
>> And it has a quirk, er, perk or two which I kinda like.
> 
> 
> Do you like the quirk that it reports on virtually everything you do to
> Redmond?  Yes a lot can be turned off - but not all of it.
> 
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/windows-10-doesnt-offer-much-privacy-by-default-heres-how-to-fix-it/
> 
> 
> http://www.newsweek.com/windows-10-recording-users-every-move-358952
> 
> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/31/windows-10-microsoft-faces-criticism-over-privacy-default-settings
> 
> 
> The deepest privacy settings can only be turned off if you purchase the
> Enterprise version of W10.
> 
> It's really horrible and should be avoided at all costs.

I really don't see what's so horrible about it. Every
"privacy-compromising" function is designed to improve another feature.
Studying our handwriting enables the system to better understand what we
meant to write, studying the questions we ask Cortana allows the system
to predict what we're looking to do and even those functions which
anonymously follow us around as we browse the web result in little more
than targeted ads. Considering how important it is for the websites we
visit to actually make money from providing us the information that we
seek, it only makes sense that we tolerate the ads they rely on to
support their site. If we do that, doesn't it at least make sense to
hope for relevant content rather than being showed an ad for penis pumps
when all we ever looked at is books on amazon.com?


-- 
Slimer

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#331339

On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:36:30 -0500, Slimer wrote:

> On 2015-11-06 12:48 PM, Bob Loblaw wrote:
>> On 2015-11-04 02:51:35 +0000, Kelsey Bjarnason said:
>> 
>>> I mentioned a week or three back the fun of getting Windows 10 working on
>>> my machine.  While a somewhat unpleasant experience, once past it, Win10
>>> seems stable enough.
>>>
>>> And it has a quirk, er, perk or two which I kinda like.
>> 
>> 
>> Do you like the quirk that it reports on virtually everything you do to
>> Redmond?  Yes a lot can be turned off - but not all of it.
>> 
>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/windows-10-doesnt-offer-much-privacy-by-default-heres-how-to-fix-it/
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.newsweek.com/windows-10-recording-users-every-move-358952
>> 
>> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/31/windows-10-microsoft-faces-criticism-over-privacy-default-settings
>> 
>> 
>> The deepest privacy settings can only be turned off if you purchase the
>> Enterprise version of W10.
>> 
>> It's really horrible and should be avoided at all costs.
> 
> I really don't see what's so horrible about it. Every
> "privacy-compromising" function is designed to improve another feature.
> Studying our handwriting enables the system to better understand what we
> meant to write, studying the questions we ask Cortana allows the system
> to predict what we're looking to do and even those functions which
> anonymously follow us around as we browse the web result in little more
> than targeted ads. Considering how important it is for the websites we
> visit to actually make money from providing us the information that we
> seek, it only makes sense that we tolerate the ads they rely on to
> support their site. If we do that, doesn't it at least make sense to
> hope for relevant content rather than being showed an ad for penis pumps
> when all we ever looked at is books on amazon.com?

Personally I think it's way over stated. The only way to remain completely
anonymous is to make a conscious effort to remove yourself from the grid
and move to some cabin in the middle of nowhere and live off the land.


-- 
You Ain't The Biggest Fish In The Crotch.

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#331344

On 2015-11-06 2:47 PM, Big Fish in a Small Crotch wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:36:30 -0500, Slimer wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-11-06 12:48 PM, Bob Loblaw wrote:
>>> On 2015-11-04 02:51:35 +0000, Kelsey Bjarnason said:
>>>
>>>> I mentioned a week or three back the fun of getting Windows 10 working on
>>>> my machine.  While a somewhat unpleasant experience, once past it, Win10
>>>> seems stable enough.
>>>>
>>>> And it has a quirk, er, perk or two which I kinda like.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you like the quirk that it reports on virtually everything you do to
>>> Redmond?  Yes a lot can be turned off - but not all of it.
>>>
>>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/windows-10-doesnt-offer-much-privacy-by-default-heres-how-to-fix-it/
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.newsweek.com/windows-10-recording-users-every-move-358952
>>>
>>> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/31/windows-10-microsoft-faces-criticism-over-privacy-default-settings
>>>
>>>
>>> The deepest privacy settings can only be turned off if you purchase the
>>> Enterprise version of W10.
>>>
>>> It's really horrible and should be avoided at all costs.
>>
>> I really don't see what's so horrible about it. Every
>> "privacy-compromising" function is designed to improve another feature.
>> Studying our handwriting enables the system to better understand what we
>> meant to write, studying the questions we ask Cortana allows the system
>> to predict what we're looking to do and even those functions which
>> anonymously follow us around as we browse the web result in little more
>> than targeted ads. Considering how important it is for the websites we
>> visit to actually make money from providing us the information that we
>> seek, it only makes sense that we tolerate the ads they rely on to
>> support their site. If we do that, doesn't it at least make sense to
>> hope for relevant content rather than being showed an ad for penis pumps
>> when all we ever looked at is books on amazon.com?
> 
> Personally I think it's way over stated. The only way to remain completely
> anonymous is to make a conscious effort to remove yourself from the grid
> and move to some cabin in the middle of nowhere and live off the land.

Exactly, which is why I stopped caring and only manipulate the existing
technology into something comfortable. I don't like ads but tolerate
them to help out the sites I use. If I see them, I want them to at least
be relevant. I block tracking beacons because it's clear that they're
entirely useless and only degrade the browsing experience and I use
social media because as invasive as it might be, the very fact that I am
a teacher makes me a public figure whether I like or not so "protecting
myself" would be in vain.


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#331341

On 11/06/15 10:48, Bob Loblaw wrote:
> On 2015-11-04 02:51:35 +0000, Kelsey Bjarnason said:
>
>> I mentioned a week or three back the fun of getting Windows 10 working on
>> my machine. While a somewhat unpleasant experience, once past it, Win10
>> seems stable enough.
>>
>> And it has a quirk, er, perk or two which I kinda like.
>
>
> Do you like the quirk that it reports on virtually everything you do to
> Redmond? Yes a lot can be turned off - but not all of it.
>
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/windows-10-doesnt-offer-much-privacy-by-default-heres-how-to-fix-it/
>
>
> http://www.newsweek.com/windows-10-recording-users-every-move-358952
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/31/windows-10-microsoft-faces-criticism-over-privacy-default-settings
>
>
> The deepest privacy settings can only be turned off if you purchase the
> Enterprise version of W10.
>
> It's really horrible and should be avoided at all costs.
>
Which one?  The Enterprise version or the regular version?


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#331468

On 2015-11-06 19:48:37 +0000, GreyCloud said:

> On 11/06/15 10:48, Bob Loblaw wrote:
>> On 2015-11-04 02:51:35 +0000, Kelsey Bjarnason said:
>> 
>>> I mentioned a week or three back the fun of getting Windows 10 working on
>>> my machine. While a somewhat unpleasant experience, once past it, Win10
>>> seems stable enough.
>>> 
>>> And it has a quirk, er, perk or two which I kinda like.
>> 
>> 
>> Do you like the quirk that it reports on virtually everything you do to
>> Redmond? Yes a lot can be turned off - but not all of it.
>> 
>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/windows-10-doesnt-offer-much-privacy-by-default-heres-how-to-fix-it/ 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.newsweek.com/windows-10-recording-users-every-move-358952
>> 
>> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/31/windows-10-microsoft-faces-criticism-over-privacy-default-settings 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The deepest privacy settings can only be turned off if you purchase the
>> Enterprise version of W10.
>> 
>> It's really horrible and should be avoided at all costs.
>> 
> Which one?  The Enterprise version or the regular version?

The basic one for sure.  At least Enterprise _permits_ you to shut this 
nonsense completely off.

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#331564

On 11/07/15 07:12, Bob Loblaw wrote:
> On 2015-11-06 19:48:37 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>
>> On 11/06/15 10:48, Bob Loblaw wrote:
>>> On 2015-11-04 02:51:35 +0000, Kelsey Bjarnason said:
>>>
>>>> I mentioned a week or three back the fun of getting Windows 10
>>>> working on
>>>> my machine. While a somewhat unpleasant experience, once past it, Win10
>>>> seems stable enough.
>>>>
>>>> And it has a quirk, er, perk or two which I kinda like.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you like the quirk that it reports on virtually everything you do to
>>> Redmond? Yes a lot can be turned off - but not all of it.
>>>
>>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/windows-10-doesnt-offer-much-privacy-by-default-heres-how-to-fix-it/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.newsweek.com/windows-10-recording-users-every-move-358952
>>>
>>> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/31/windows-10-microsoft-faces-criticism-over-privacy-default-settings
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The deepest privacy settings can only be turned off if you purchase the
>>> Enterprise version of W10.
>>>
>>> It's really horrible and should be avoided at all costs.
>>>
>> Which one? The Enterprise version or the regular version?
>
> The basic one for sure. At least Enterprise _permits_ you to shut this
> nonsense completely off.
>
What is the selling price then?
Sounds like it might be an interesting upgrade.  HP is offering, but 
hasn't given a price yet.  HP is making sure I have the necessary 
hardware drivers for this tower.
I'd have to put the other Win7 hard drive back in of course.


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