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  A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-02 13:49 -0500
    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-02 13:52 -0500
    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-02 13:04 -0600
      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 19:10 +0000
        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-02 14:22 -0500
          Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 19:41 +0000
          Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-02 14:52 -0500
        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-02 18:29 -0500
          Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-02 18:54 -0500
          Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-02 19:40 -0600
            Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-03 08:25 -0600
              Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-03 08:27 -0600
            Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-03 10:51 -0500
              Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-03 13:07 -0600
                Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-03 14:48 -0500
          Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-03 08:05 -0500
            Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-03 09:17 -0500
              Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-03 10:55 -0500
                Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-03 11:28 -0500
                  Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-03 14:53 -0500
                    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-04 14:11 -0600
                      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 15:37 -0500
                        Congrats JEDIDIAH - The most ignorant statement of 2015 "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-04 16:14 -0500
                          Re: Congrats JEDIDIAH - The most ignorant statement of 2015 Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 16:38 -0500
                            Re: Congrats JEDIDIAH - The most ignorant statement of 2015 "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-04 16:47 -0500
                              Re: Congrats JEDIDIAH - The most ignorant statement of 2015 Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 16:49 -0500
                      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 13:21 -0800
                        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 16:39 -0500
                          Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-04 17:43 -0500
                            Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-04 17:54 -0500
                              Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-04 18:44 -0500
                                Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-04 18:46 -0500
                      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-05 13:27 -0500
                        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-05 14:00 -0600
                          You are nutso.  LMFAO!!!! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-05 13:48 -0700
                          Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-05 15:50 -0500
                            Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-05 15:16 -0600
                              Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-05 16:37 -0500
                                Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-05 22:40 +0100
                                  Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-05 17:23 -0500
                                  Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-05 17:46 -0500
                                  Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-05 19:58 -0500
                                    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-05 21:19 -0500
                                  Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-06 06:47 -0600
                                    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-06 07:05 -0600
                                      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-07 09:17 -0500
                                        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-07 09:28 -0500
                                          Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-09 10:03 -0500
                                            Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-09 10:06 -0500
                                            Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 15:09 +0000
                                        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-07 09:47 -0500
                                    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-06 09:40 -0500
                                      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-06 09:49 -0500
                                        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-06 11:03 -0500
                                      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-07 09:18 -0500
                                        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-07 09:48 -0500
                                          Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-09 10:15 -0500
                                        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-07 10:21 -0500
                                          Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-09 10:06 -0500
                                Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-06 09:27 -0600
                                  Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-11-06 23:09 +0000
                                    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-06 18:48 -0500
                                      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 19:56 -0700
                                  The only phoney in here is you, JED. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 16:27 -0700
                                  Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-07 09:26 -0500
                Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-03 13:30 -0500
                  Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-03 14:54 -0500
                    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-03 15:19 -0500
                Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-03 13:09 -0600
                  Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-03 15:10 -0500
                    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-04 14:12 -0600
                      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-05 13:29 -0500
                        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-05 14:01 -0600
                          You are a liar. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-05 13:48 -0700
                          Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-05 15:53 -0500
                            Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-05 15:16 -0600
                              Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-05 16:39 -0500
                                Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 16:28 -0700
                              Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-05 21:09 -0500
                              Mortimer Snerd and his usual DUH! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 16:29 -0700
              Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-03 16:44 -0500
              Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-03 17:18 -0500
                Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-03 18:39 -0500
                My how Snit babbles on so. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 06:34 -0800
      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-02 20:15 +0100
        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-02 15:55 -0700
          Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-02 18:18 -0500
            Buh bye Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-03 06:34 -0500
              Re: Buh bye chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-03 07:56 -0600
                Re: Buh bye Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-03 09:04 -0500
                Re: Buh bye Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-03 09:20 -0500
                Now let Chris wipe your pee-pee, Turdv. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-03 16:05 -0700
              Ah, the infamous "Buh Bye" by chicken-shit Alhstrom. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-03 16:05 -0700
      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-02 14:42 -0500
      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-02 14:15 -0600
        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 20:50 +0000
      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 22:02 +0000
      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-03 09:43 +0000
        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-03 09:09 -0500
    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-02 11:20 -0800
      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-02 15:57 -0700
    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-02 14:10 -0600
    Troll posing as "A Linux Professional" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-02 15:53 -0500
      Re: Troll posing as "A Linux Professional" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-02 15:08 -0600
    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 13:02 -0800
    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 22:00 +0000
      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-02 18:35 -0500
      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> - 2015-11-03 11:32 +1000
        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-03 08:08 -0500
          Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> - 2015-11-05 11:58 +1000
            Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-05 06:55 -0600
        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 04:37 +0000
          Moi cares ... John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 06:50 -0800
    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-02 17:49 -0500
    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-02 15:54 -0700
    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> - 2015-11-03 11:22 +1000
      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-03 08:07 -0500
      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-03 13:12 +0000
        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-03 09:33 -0500
          Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-03 09:47 -0500
            Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-03 10:11 -0500
              Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-03 10:31 -0500
          I want to make it clear to *everybody* that crap like this is completely unacceptable John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 06:54 -0800
            Re: I want to make it clear to *everybody* that crap like this is completely unacceptable Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-03 09:58 -0500
      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-03 10:21 -0500
      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> - 2015-11-05 12:07 +1000
        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-05 02:28 -0800
        Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-05 06:44 -0600
    Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-03 09:42 +0000
      Re: A Linux Professional to Linux fans and enemies Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-03 08:09 -0500
    Another idiot troll posing as "linux pro". News at 11 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-03 11:05 +0100
      Re: Another idiot troll posing as "linux pro". News at 11 Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-03 11:03 -0500
        Re: Another idiot troll posing as "linux pro". News at 11 Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-03 11:30 -0500
        Re: Another idiot troll posing as "linux pro". News at 11 GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-03 16:07 -0700

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#330740

On 2015-11-03 21:04:08 +0000, Snit said:
> 
> Compare that to MS Office or iWork where, at least from a users perspective,

I don't think differently of iWork v. LibreOffice.  Neither is standard 
in the broad marketplace so neither is appropriate for business use.

> 

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#330749

On 2015-11-03 4:04 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 11/3/15, 7:17 AM, in article n1afgq$opo$2@dont-email.me, "Charmed Tuna"
> <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> 
>>>> Turned out that for various reasons he couldn't use it for work without
>>>> issues.  He couldn't get his kids to use it for schoolwork.  He had
>>>> some issues with a driver he couldn't get to install at all.  It was a
>>>> disappointment to him.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to say he got a Mac, but no, he eventually scrapped the joy of
>>>> Linux and went back to Windblows.
>>>>
>>>> But.  He.  Was.  Happy.  And. Productive.
>>>
>>> It's happened to virtually every single person who has tried desktop Linux.
>>> After the honeymoon phase wears off, the user realizes how much Linux sucks
>>> and moves back to Windows or OSX.
>>> It's only the religious, zealot cult members who have convinced themselves
>>> that Linux is superior. And I suspect even they know they are just kidding
>>> themselves. It's only a matter of time before they switch back too.
>>>
>>> Rinse and repeat.
>>
>> Absolutely. I've since come to realize that while it makes sense to
>> support free software alternatives like LibreOffice and VLC, it makes no
>> sense to use an entire operating system made up of it. It isn't stable,
>> it isn't intuitive, it isn't pretty and it isn't capable. It truly is
>> nothing more than a waste of time.
> 
> Even LibreOffice is a mess... apparently even its code base is a disaster
> where the different modules are not even compatable with each other. It is
> why the tools for, say, images are so different in the different modules.
> Not talking about just more options for images in Draw (that would make
> sense) but things like how images are dealt with in general. Just a mess.
> Compare that to MS Office or iWork where, at least from a users perspective,
> the different modules tend to be well coordinated and almost surely share a
> common code base.
> 
> With LibreOffice it is to the point where they pretty much need to start
> from scratch to move forward (as Apple did with AppleWorks -> iWork).

It would be beneficial for the developers of LibreOffice to do what
Microsoft did when they started Vista and simply rewrite much of what
already exists. Vista might have been a mess, but 7 ended up being
perfect to the point that people are very reluctant to move away from
it. There's no reason for LibreOffice's developers to keep releasing new
versions so they can just take what they have, freeze it for a while all
the while optimizing the code to create a product which loads faster and
is more consistent with the rest. People will end up having to wait
longer for a new version but who cares? It's not like they're getting
paid for it anyway.


-- 
Slimer

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#330761

On 2015-11-03 5:55 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 11/3/15, 3:18 PM, in article n1bbmh$e7l$8@dont-email.me, "Slimer"
> <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> 
>>>> Absolutely. I've since come to realize that while it makes sense to
>>>> support free software alternatives like LibreOffice and VLC, it makes no
>>>> sense to use an entire operating system made up of it. It isn't stable,
>>>> it isn't intuitive, it isn't pretty and it isn't capable. It truly is
>>>> nothing more than a waste of time.
>>>
>>> Even LibreOffice is a mess... apparently even its code base is a disaster
>>> where the different modules are not even compatable with each other. It is
>>> why the tools for, say, images are so different in the different modules.
>>> Not talking about just more options for images in Draw (that would make
>>> sense) but things like how images are dealt with in general. Just a mess.
>>> Compare that to MS Office or iWork where, at least from a users perspective,
>>> the different modules tend to be well coordinated and almost surely share a
>>> common code base.
>>>
>>> With LibreOffice it is to the point where they pretty much need to start
>>> from scratch to move forward (as Apple did with AppleWorks -> iWork).
>>
>> It would be beneficial for the developers of LibreOffice to do what
>> Microsoft did when they started Vista and simply rewrite much of what
>> already exists. Vista might have been a mess, but 7 ended up being
>> perfect to the point that people are very reluctant to move away from
>> it.
> 
> I am sure older code was still there, but I see what you mean. Yes, Vista
> was a mess but 7 was excellent. Some of that was just time for developers to
> catch up to it and for MS to work out the quirks.

I actually didn't mind Vista much myself. The beta was awful but the
final version worked well enough. It never felt solid, but it didn't
crash on me or prevent me from doing anything that I would have wanted
to do with a computer. Some of what it offered was a little too
ambitious (animated desktop wallpaper for one) but it was otherwise a
decent operating system.

< snip >


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Slimer

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#330817 — My how Snit babbles on so.

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 5:18:01 PM UTC-5, Slimer wrote:
> On 2015-11-03 4:04 PM, Snit wrote:
> > On 11/3/15, 7:17 AM, in article n1afgq$opo$2@dont-email.me, "Charmed Tuna"
> > <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> > 
> >>>> Turned out that for various reasons he couldn't use it for work without
> >>>> issues.  He couldn't get his kids to use it for schoolwork.  He had
> >>>> some issues with a driver he couldn't get to install at all.  It was a
> >>>> disappointment to him.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd like to say he got a Mac, but no, he eventually scrapped the joy of
> >>>> Linux and went back to Windblows.
> >>>>
> >>>> But.  He.  Was.  Happy.  And. Productive.
> >>>
> >>> It's happened to virtually every single person who has tried desktop Linux.
> >>> After the honeymoon phase wears off, the user realizes how much Linux sucks
> >>> and moves back to Windows or OSX.
> >>> It's only the religious, zealot cult members who have convinced themselves
> >>> that Linux is superior. And I suspect even they know they are just kidding
> >>> themselves. It's only a matter of time before they switch back too.
> >>>
> >>> Rinse and repeat.
> >>
> >> Absolutely. I've since come to realize that while it makes sense to
> >> support free software alternatives like LibreOffice and VLC, it makes no
> >> sense to use an entire operating system made up of it. It isn't stable,
> >> it isn't intuitive, it isn't pretty and it isn't capable. It truly is
> >> nothing more than a waste of time.
> > 
> > Even LibreOffice is a mess... apparently even its code base is a disaster
> > where the different modules are not even compatable with each other. It is
> > why the tools for, say, images are so different in the different modules.
> > Not talking about just more options for images in Draw (that would make
> > sense) but things like how images are dealt with in general. Just a mess.
> > Compare that to MS Office or iWork where, at least from a users perspective,
> > the different modules tend to be well coordinated and almost surely share a
> > common code base.
> > 
> > With LibreOffice it is to the point where they pretty much need to start
> > from scratch to move forward (as Apple did with AppleWorks -> iWork).
> 
> It would be beneficial for the developers of LibreOffice to do what
> Microsoft did when they started Vista and simply rewrite much of what
> already exists. Vista might have been a mess, but 7 ended up being
> perfect to the point that people are very reluctant to move away from
> it. There's no reason for LibreOffice's developers to keep releasing new
> versions so they can just take what they have, freeze it for a while all
> the while optimizing the code to create a product which loads faster and
> is more consistent with the rest. People will end up having to wait
> longer for a new version but who cares? It's not like they're getting
> paid for it anyway.


My how Snit babbles on so.

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#330426

On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 13:04:03 -0600
chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Bob Loblaw wrote:
> 
> >Linux is the best OS or amongst the best OS's for a lot of things.  
> 
> Indeed it is, and with the many free applications, and with cloud
> computing, most home users no longer need to use Microshaft's
> malware-ridden crapware.
> 
> > (snip)  
> 

You are replying to some MacTard troll nym....

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#330505

On 11/02/15 12:15, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 13:04:03 -0600
> chrisv<chrisv@nospam.invalid>  wrote:
>
>> Bob Loblaw wrote:
>>
>>> Linux is the best OS or amongst the best OS's for a lot of things.
>>
>> Indeed it is, and with the many free applications, and with cloud
>> computing, most home users no longer need to use Microshaft's
>> malware-ridden crapware.
>>
>>> (snip)
>>
>
> You are replying to some MacTard troll nym....
>
You sound paranoid.  How do you know it is a troll?

-- 
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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#330519

On 2015-11-02 22:55:39 +0000, GreyCloud said:

> On 11/02/15 12:15, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 13:04:03 -0600
>> chrisv<chrisv@nospam.invalid>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Bob Loblaw wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Linux is the best OS or amongst the best OS's for a lot of things.
>>> 
>>> Indeed it is, and with the many free applications, and with cloud
>>> computing, most home users no longer need to use Microshaft's
>>> malware-ridden crapware.

           Ha hah.  Really desperate twist in the wind there!  By that 
logic they have
           even less need for Linux.  A Chrome netbook is all they need 
(and yes, I
           know Chrome is based on Linux - but then a Chrome netbook is not
           exactly what one really wants in a personal computer unless 
their world
           is constrained to browsing, web mail and lightweight web apps).




>>> 
>>>> (snip)
>>> 
>> 
>> You are replying to some MacTard troll nym....
>> 
> You sound paranoid.  How do you know it is a troll?


I'm not a troll.  What I wrote is sound (if my opinion, I'm certainly 
not alone in it).

It's also why Linux has failed to garner more than a few % of the 
desktop market (if that) while OS X has continuously (if slowly) taken 
on more and more share.

A part of that is halo effect.  After being exposed to the 
iPod/iPhone/iPad a lot of people have bought their first Macs.

Per one "web tracker" (that looks at browser activity, not "OS" 
activity) (Aug.2015).

Windows:	85.92%
OS X:	 8.18%
Linux:	1.80%

So while there may be a lot more Linux machines out there, where 
"desktop" use is concerned, Linux isn't even 1 out of 50 users.

A few years ago (5 maybe), Linux had better numbers and OS X had worse 
- though OS X was always ahead.

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#330616 — Buh bye

Bob Loblaw wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2015-11-02 22:55:39 +0000, GreyCloud said:

Redundant

-- 
Q:	How many journalists does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A:	Three.  One to report it as an inspired government program to bring
	light to the people, one to report it as a diabolical government plot
	to deprive the poor of darkness, and one to win a Pulitzer prize for
	reporting that Electric Company hired a light bulb-assassin to break
	the bulb in the first place.

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#330637 — Re: Buh bye

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Bob Loblaw wrote:
>
>> On 2015-11-02 22:55:39 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>
> Redundant

Let me guess - the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" was sucking-up to
the cowardly "Bob Loblaw" troll.

To sink so low, just to get the approval of some *asshole*.  Pathetic.

-- 
"DFS has you by the weenie again."  -  "True Linux advocate" Hadron
Quark

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#330641 — Re: Buh bye

On Tue, 03 Nov 2015 07:56:57 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 
>> Bob Loblaw wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-02 22:55:39 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>>
>> Redundant
> 
> Let me guess - the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" was sucking-up to
> the cowardly "Bob Loblaw" troll.
> 
> To sink so low, just to get the approval of some *asshole*.  Pathetic.

It must be frustrating not being able to install Linux, chrisv however
vulgarity is uncalled for.
Maybe John Gohde can assist you in getting Linux properly installed?

-- 
You Ain't The Biggest Fish In The Crotch.

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#330650 — Re: Buh bye

On 2015-11-03 8:56 AM, chrisv wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 
>> Bob Loblaw wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-02 22:55:39 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>>
>> Redundant
> 
> Let me guess - the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" was sucking-up to
> the cowardly "Bob Loblaw" troll.
> 
> To sink so low, just to get the approval of some *asshole*.  Pathetic.

That *fsckwit*!

You're a sad little man, cumstainv.

-- 
Charmed Tuna

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#330754 — Now let Chris wipe your pee-pee, Turdv.

On 11/03/15 06:56, chrisv wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Bob Loblaw wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-02 22:55:39 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>>
>> Redundant
>
> Let me guess - the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" was sucking-up to
> the cowardly "Bob Loblaw" troll.
>
> To sink so low, just to get the approval of some *asshole*.  Pathetic.
>


-- 
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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#330753 — Ah, the infamous "Buh Bye" by chicken-shit Alhstrom.

On 11/03/15 04:34, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Bob Loblaw wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2015-11-02 22:55:39 +0000, GreyCloud said:
>
> Redundant
>


-- 
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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#330431

On 2015-11-02 2:04 PM, chrisv wrote:
> Bob Loblaw wrote:
> 
>> Linux is the best OS or amongst the best OS's for a lot of things.
> 
> Indeed it is, and with the many free applications, and with cloud
> computing, most home users no longer need to use Microshaft's
> malware-ridden crapware.

LOL, loser.


-- 
Charmed Tuna

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#330440

On 2015-11-02, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Bob Loblaw wrote:
>
>>Linux is the best OS or amongst the best OS's for a lot of things.
>
> Indeed it is, and with the many free applications, and with cloud
> computing, most home users no longer need to use Microshaft's
> malware-ridden crapware.

    Many things aren't implemented as platform specific binaries anymore
and haven't been for a long time. You could consider this the first wave
of "cloud computing". Even the "almighty word processor" is being redone
as a web application.

    You can tell when someone is a loser troll when they fixate on nonsense
like msoffice. It doesn't matter what credentials they claim to have.

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#330449

On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 14:15:02 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:

> On 2015-11-02, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Bob Loblaw wrote:
>>
>>>Linux is the best OS or amongst the best OS's for a lot of things.
>>
>> Indeed it is, and with the many free applications, and with cloud
>> computing, most home users no longer need to use Microshaft's
>> malware-ridden crapware.
> 
>     Many things aren't implemented as platform specific binaries anymore
> and haven't been for a long time. You could consider this the first wave
> of "cloud computing". Even the "almighty word processor" is being redone
> as a web application.
> 
While that is true, the current implementations are sorely lacking in 
features compared to the desktop versions.  Whether they will ever reach 
parity is not certain at this point.  And assuming they could bring them 
to parity, I doubt it would be free as they are today.

>     You can tell when someone is a loser troll when they fixate on
>     nonsense
> like msoffice. It doesn't matter what credentials they claim to have.

Well you aren't all the way off the charts this time.  But the rant was 
certainly a troll though msoffice wasn't the reason.




-- 
Lloyd

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#330477

On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 13:04:03 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> Bob Loblaw wrote:
> 
>>Linux is the best OS or amongst the best OS's for a lot of things.
> 
> Indeed it is, and with the many free applications, and with cloud
> computing, most home users no longer need to use Microshaft's
> malware-ridden crapware.
> 
>> (snip)

Absolutely. Now if it could only be adopted to immediately sniff out 
"Snit's" new socks and delete his worthless BS from COLA 
automatically ... 

-- 
Zero tolerance for WinDrones and iCultists

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#330609

On 02/11/2015 19:04, chrisv wrote:
> Bob Loblaw wrote:
>
>> Linux is the best OS or amongst the best OS's for a lot of things.
>
> Indeed it is, and with the many free applications, and with cloud
> computing, most home users no longer need to use Microshaft's
> malware-ridden crapware.
>
>> (snip)
>

Examples?

<Crickets>

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#330643

On 2015-11-03 4:43 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> On 02/11/2015 19:04, chrisv wrote:
>> Bob Loblaw wrote:
>>
>>> Linux is the best OS or amongst the best OS's for a lot of things.
>>
>> Indeed it is, and with the many free applications, and with cloud
>> computing, most home users no longer need to use Microshaft's
>> malware-ridden crapware.
>>
>>> (snip)
>>
> 
> Examples?
> 
> <Crickets>

I believe that the most notable example cumstainv can use is the fact
that Microsoft Office is now available for free at office.com and that
it can be used from within any operating system on the planet. The
problem, however, is that the free versions of Word, Powerpoint and
Excel are extremely stripped-down and aren't real alternatives to
installing the office suite on your computer.

-- 
Charmed Tuna

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#330428

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-5, Bob Loblaw wrote:

Allegedly posting from linuxprofessionals.com ... but a quick 
domain search results in the following:

"Congratulations, your domain is available!"

> Linux is the best OS or amongst the best OS's for a lot of things.

But since Bob's "linuxprofessionals.com" domain is for sale, one
of the things it apparently isn't any good at has been identified. 
 
> Databases, servers, many embedded systems, ... a long list of 
> applications where Linux does great and is the number one choice for 
> good reason.  It's the OS of almost every TOP500 supercomputer running 
> today inlcuding all of the top 10.

And these reasons are what, specifically?  
 
> But the one area where it is an abject useless stinkpile of garbage is 
> office or home desktop environments. It's not just the plethora of 
> competing horribly ugly Linux desktop environments but the utter lack 
> of support from mainstream software publishers to provide their high 
> quality wares to a tiny sliver of the market.
> 
> I utterly hate Windows and the company that shall not be named that 
> publishes that monstrosity and its companion apps. But Windows is 
> superior to Linux as a desktop environment. Ouch! That pains me.
> 
> Linux is so rotten as a desktop environment that people would rather 
> face the legal risks of installing bootleg versions of Windows than 
> legally installing free Linux distros!
> 
> OS X is obviously the superior *nix where desktop is concerned. It 
> exudes competent design in every detail - and it is so well designed 
> for ordinary users that the most computer averse grandmother from 
> Numbnuts, Arkansas can use it, configure it, update it, manage it and 
> even correct issues that occur.  I, a Linux professional programmer, 
> administrator and entrepreneur use OS X even to develop for Linux.  
> It's that simple fanbois.  Linux desktop is utter tripe in all its 
> myriad forms.  Embarrasing actually.  Every time I'm forced by 
> circustance to load a Linux desktop I find the entire experience 
> cringeworthy.
> 
> Even with with Apple on its knees in the late 90's and early 2000's, 
> the Linux "movement" could not take on the expensive Windows near 
> monopoly with a free *nix and desktop environment.  Even with Apple's 
> expensive computers and often expensive companion software Linux 
> desktop could not take over a market despite being given away for free 
> and usable on the cheapest, skankiest hardware out there.
> 
> Linux fanbois keep on embarrassing Linux professionals with the 
> cesspool nonsense notion that Linux is a viable desktop alternative to 
> Windows.
> 
> It hasn't. It isn't. It won't be. Get over it Fanbois and please stop 
> embarrassing the rest of us.

While the sentiment has its merits, the execution was merely YA troll attempt.  


-hh

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