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Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones

From owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones
Date 2016-01-20 21:20 +0000
Organization O.W.L.
Message-ID <ghdjsu83af8.ae@rooftop.invalid> (permalink)
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Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> On 2016-01-20 2:10 PM, owl wrote:
>> Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
>>> On 2016-01-20 10:48 AM, owl wrote:
>>>> Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-01-20 10:01 AM, owl wrote:
>>>>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 19/01/2016 21:21, owl wrote:
>>>>>>>> Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
>>>>>>>>> Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
>>>>>>>>> keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
>>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shit happens.  Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
>>>>>>>> then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And in the real world of managed IT services, patches are pre-vetted and 
>>>>>>> rolled out to different customers on different days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Non-problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would guess that the vast majority of Microsoft's customers -- consumer
>>>>>> and small business -- don't make use of managed IT services and are left
>>>>>> to fend for themselves.  Also didn't I read that MS is going to start
>>>>>> pushing W10 upgrades onto the corporate scene also?  I have to laugh
>>>>>> these days (since W8 introduction) at the idea of Windows in the business
>>>>>> world.  What business wants a cell phone interface on their desktop
>>>>>> computers?  What exactly is the purpose of that?
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder how Windows 10's interface resembles that of a cell phone.
>>>>> Windows 8 sure, but 8.1 and 10 no longer have such a thing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The live tiles are in the menu now.  And that ridiculous alphbetically
>>>> sorted menu list is nearly useless.
>>>
>>> In the Start Menu, they're essentially out of the way and they are
>>> easily removed even from there. A person looking to have a
>>> traditional-looking Start Menu can have one with very little effort.
>>>
>> 
>> With that then, what is the advantage of 10 vs 7 other than MS data mining
>> your private information.
> 
> Access to the unified applications if and when they are released.
> 

This is of dubious value.  I can't remember ever wishing I had MS Word
on my phone, or candy crush on my Laptop.

>> I've never been much of a Microsoft basher.
>> Hell, I'm even an MCSE.  But they have really lost their bearings in the
>> last few years.
> 
> For products, they seem to be a lot more focused than they've ever been.
>

Oh, they're definitely focused on this.  No doubt.  But I think they
are headed down the wrong path.
 
>> First they destroyed Technet.  Then there's the misguided
>> goal of merging the Desktop/Cell phone experience.  Now they're doing their
>> best to trick people into upgrading to an OS that they obviously don't want
>> or else they would not have to be tricked or forced to install it.  They've
>> said that Windows 10 is the "last Windows."  Let's hope so. 
> 
> The desktop/cell phone experience merging is an idea I am strongly in
> favour of personally. If they do it correctly, it will only strengthen
> its mobile offering.
> 

I think they would have better success just trying to build the best
phone OS experience out there and not worry so much about merging with
the desktop.  They are pursuing a solution to a non-existent problem.

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Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-19 15:35 -0500
  Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-19 21:21 +0000
    Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-19 16:59 -0500
      Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 00:10 +0000
        Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 16:53 -0800
        Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-19 20:02 -0500
          Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 01:37 +0000
            Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-19 20:56 -0500
            Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-19 23:49 -0500
              Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 14:54 +0000
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-20 16:24 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 22:08 +0000
            Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-19 23:49 -0500
              Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-20 09:33 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-20 16:40 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-01-20 22:45 +0100
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-21 18:27 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-01-22 00:58 +0100
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-21 19:56 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-22 06:46 -0600
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-22 08:42 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-22 15:36 -0700
              Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 14:55 +0000
              Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-01-20 15:04 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-21 18:28 -0500
    Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-01-20 09:43 +0000
      Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 15:01 +0000
        Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-20 10:32 -0500
          Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 15:48 +0000
            Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-20 13:05 -0500
              Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 19:10 +0000
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-20 15:56 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 21:20 +0000
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-20 17:45 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-21 08:51 +0000
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-21 09:42 -0500
            Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-20 16:24 -0500
              Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 22:00 +0000
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-21 00:46 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-21 00:57 +0000
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-21 12:16 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-21 18:56 +0000

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