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Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones

From owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones
Date 2016-01-21 08:51 +0000
Organization O.W.L.
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Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
> On 2016-01-20 4:20 PM, owl wrote:
>> Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
>>> On 2016-01-20 2:10 PM, owl wrote:
>>>> Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-01-20 10:48 AM, owl wrote:
>>>>>> Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2016-01-20 10:01 AM, owl wrote:
>>>>>>>> Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 19/01/2016 21:21, owl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> ROFL! It's in the kernel too. "The flaw, which was introduced into the
>>>>>>>>>>> Linux kernel in version 3.8 released in early 2013, resides in the OS
>>>>>>>>>>> keyring." Looks like your toiletware is ONCE MORE the source of security
>>>>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/linux-bug-imperils-tens-of-millions-of-pcs-servers-and-android-phones/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Shit happens.  Good thing I don't have to wait until "Patch Tuesday" and
>>>>>>>>>> then fight a hostile upgrade attempt just to patch a security vuln.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And in the real world of managed IT services, patches are pre-vetted and 
>>>>>>>>> rolled out to different customers on different days.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Non-problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would guess that the vast majority of Microsoft's customers -- consumer
>>>>>>>> and small business -- don't make use of managed IT services and are left
>>>>>>>> to fend for themselves.  Also didn't I read that MS is going to start
>>>>>>>> pushing W10 upgrades onto the corporate scene also?  I have to laugh
>>>>>>>> these days (since W8 introduction) at the idea of Windows in the business
>>>>>>>> world.  What business wants a cell phone interface on their desktop
>>>>>>>> computers?  What exactly is the purpose of that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder how Windows 10's interface resembles that of a cell phone.
>>>>>>> Windows 8 sure, but 8.1 and 10 no longer have such a thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The live tiles are in the menu now.  And that ridiculous alphbetically
>>>>>> sorted menu list is nearly useless.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the Start Menu, they're essentially out of the way and they are
>>>>> easily removed even from there. A person looking to have a
>>>>> traditional-looking Start Menu can have one with very little effort.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With that then, what is the advantage of 10 vs 7 other than MS data mining
>>>> your private information.
>>>
>>> Access to the unified applications if and when they are released.
>>>
>> 
>> This is of dubious value.  I can't remember ever wishing I had MS Word
>> on my phone, or candy crush on my Laptop.
> 
> Meanwhile Office was released on Android

Took a look at it.  It seems to be a very stripped-down version.  I suppose
a shitload of people will install it, but I doubt anybody will actually
use it. 

> and iOS because people wanted
> it and my wife plays Candy Crush on her laptop.
>

Oh well.
 
>>>> I've never been much of a Microsoft basher.
>>>> Hell, I'm even an MCSE.  But they have really lost their bearings in the
>>>> last few years.
>>>
>>> For products, they seem to be a lot more focused than they've ever been.
>>>
>> 
>> Oh, they're definitely focused on this.  No doubt.  But I think they
>> are headed down the wrong path.
> 
> The "right" path doesn't always lead to the highest profits.
>

The chosen path chosen for profits doesn't always lead to profits either.

 
>>>> First they destroyed Technet.  Then there's the misguided
>>>> goal of merging the Desktop/Cell phone experience.  Now they're doing their
>>>> best to trick people into upgrading to an OS that they obviously don't want
>>>> or else they would not have to be tricked or forced to install it.  They've
>>>> said that Windows 10 is the "last Windows."  Let's hope so. 
>>>
>>> The desktop/cell phone experience merging is an idea I am strongly in
>>> favour of personally. If they do it correctly, it will only strengthen
>>> its mobile offering.
>>>
>> 
>> I think they would have better success just trying to build the best
>> phone OS experience out there and not worry so much about merging with
>> the desktop.  They are pursuing a solution to a non-existent problem. 
> 
> If their goal is to have everyone at the company be on the same path,
> making sure that they promote a single platform makes sense. I can't
> imagine things being easy to manage when you have one division working
> on one OS, another working to support the old ones, the other developing
> applications only for the mobile space while the last develops
> exclusively for desktops. I truly believe that one application which
> adapts to whatever setup it is being used on makes the most sense in
> this day and age. However, Microsoft has screwed up great ideas before
> so it remains to be seen what happens here.
> 

I really just disagree here.  I can't see how what would be the perfect
system for a phone would also be the perfect system on the desktop.
If you're going to compromise in the name of uniformity, well ok. 
But neither is going to end up with the best.

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Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-19 15:35 -0500
  Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-19 21:21 +0000
    Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-19 16:59 -0500
      Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 00:10 +0000
        Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 16:53 -0800
        Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-19 20:02 -0500
          Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 01:37 +0000
            Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-19 20:56 -0500
            Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-19 23:49 -0500
              Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 14:54 +0000
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-20 16:24 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 22:08 +0000
            Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-19 23:49 -0500
              Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-20 09:33 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-20 16:40 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-01-20 22:45 +0100
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-21 18:27 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-01-22 00:58 +0100
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-21 19:56 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-22 06:46 -0600
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-22 08:42 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-22 15:36 -0700
              Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 14:55 +0000
              Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-01-20 15:04 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-21 18:28 -0500
    Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-01-20 09:43 +0000
      Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 15:01 +0000
        Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-20 10:32 -0500
          Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 15:48 +0000
            Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-20 13:05 -0500
              Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 19:10 +0000
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-20 15:56 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 21:20 +0000
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-20 17:45 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-21 08:51 +0000
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-21 09:42 -0500
            Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-20 16:24 -0500
              Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-20 22:00 +0000
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-21 00:46 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-21 00:57 +0000
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-01-21 12:16 -0500
                Re: Linux bug imperils tens of millions of PCs, servers, and Android phones owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-01-21 18:56 +0000

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