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Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG!

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG!
Date 2018-05-07 10:27 -0700
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On 5/7/18 10:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
> fr314159@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> I have said this before and I will say it again.  Must the architect
>> be blamed if some asshole idiot devotes many days of scrutinizing
>> the blueprints to discover some tiny potential hole through which
>> to gain unauthorized entrance to his building?
>>
>> These "flaws" are only flaws in retrospect.  If someone uses an
>> automobile to drive at high speed into a crowd of people, do we
>> claim that the automobile has a serious design flaw?  No fucking way!
> 
> A better analogy would be an animal without an immune system.
> 
It is not without an immune system, but the immune system has weaknesses.

If we want to look at blame, absolutely the people who exploit these 
weaknesses are to blame, but we can also look to see if the designers 
should have REASONABLY been expected to anticipate THIS attack and 
prevent it.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 09:19 -0700
  Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-05 16:22 +0000
    Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-05 18:49 +0000
      Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-05 19:50 +0000
        Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-06 06:13 +0000
        Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-06 12:12 +0000
          Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-06 12:57 +0000
          The jig is up, once the government gains physical access to your device. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-06 10:13 -0700
      Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-06 06:13 +0000
        Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-06 12:16 +0000
          Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 05:58 -0700
  Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-05 12:24 -0400
    Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-07 08:00 -0500
      Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-05-07 09:13 -0700
        Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-07 13:08 -0400
          Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-07 12:25 -0500
            Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 10:30 -0700
            Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-05-07 10:47 -0700
              Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-07 18:03 +0000
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-05-07 12:24 -0700
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 13:12 -0700
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-07 22:09 +0000
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 15:45 -0700
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-07 23:12 +0000
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 17:02 -0700
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2018-05-08 15:12 +0200
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-07 22:40 +0000
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-07 23:10 +0000
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-07 23:42 +0000
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 16:55 -0700
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 19:46 -0700
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 01:59 -0700
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-08 12:18 +0000
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 05:36 -0700
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 08:11 -0700
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 08:42 -0700
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-08 12:03 +0000
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 05:05 -0700
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-08 07:37 -0500
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 06:24 -0700
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-08 17:25 +0000
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-08 17:44 +0000
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-08 17:56 +0000
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 11:08 -0700
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-08 18:49 +0000
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-08 22:45 +0000
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-09 01:55 +0000
            Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-07 15:22 -0400
              Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-07 14:50 -0500
        Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-07 12:18 -0500
          Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 10:27 -0700
        Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 07:53 -0700
          Compared to SmartPhones, WinIntel is super safe. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-08 08:36 -0700
            Re: Compared to SmartPhones, WinIntel is super safe. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-08 13:47 -0400
          Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-08 17:11 +0000
            Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-08 18:21 +0000
              Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-05-08 18:40 +0000
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-08 18:50 +0000
                Re: INTEL: Eight new security flaws incl. Spectre-NG! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 12:59 -0700

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