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| Started by | Bert <bert@iphouse.com> |
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| First post | 2015-03-11 18:50 +0000 |
| Last post | 2015-03-12 10:28 -0400 |
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Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-11 18:50 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-11 14:54 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-11 18:58 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-11 15:01 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-11 22:44 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-11 23:06 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-12 18:15 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-11 19:32 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-03-11 12:39 -0700
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-11 19:47 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-11 19:57 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Adair Bordon <Adair@not_my_real_email.com> - 2015-03-11 22:29 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-03-13 13:47 -0700
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-11 20:50 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-11 22:45 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-11 23:05 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-12 18:18 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-12 18:45 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-12 19:41 -0500
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-13 16:27 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 13:10 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-13 17:12 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 17:17 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-13 17:25 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 18:02 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-13 18:44 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 19:03 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-13 19:46 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 16:45 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 21:24 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 14:06 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-13 18:41 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-13 13:43 -0500
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 19:05 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-13 19:46 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 16:45 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 21:11 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-13 21:55 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 16:45 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-03-13 13:50 -0700
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 17:03 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-14 12:54 -0500
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 14:04 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-14 15:06 -0500
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 16:08 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-14 16:30 -0500
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-14 21:41 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-13 17:47 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-13 18:43 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-12 01:59 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-12 18:17 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-12 18:47 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-12 20:20 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-12 16:26 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Peter Crosland <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-12 19:13 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-12 20:20 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Peter Crosland <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-12 21:22 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-13 16:24 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Peter Crosland <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-13 22:39 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-12 15:53 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-12 21:35 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-03-13 16:26 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 13:09 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-12 00:02 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-12 07:34 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-12 12:56 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-12 14:50 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-12 15:01 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-12 15:19 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-12 11:28 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-12 15:35 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-12 19:20 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-12 15:53 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-12 20:12 -0500
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-12 11:11 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-12 21:33 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-13 09:05 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Peter Crosland <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-13 11:15 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-14 09:01 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Peter Crosland <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-14 12:12 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-14 14:06 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 13:01 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-14 19:54 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Peter Crosland <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-14 17:18 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 13:42 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-14 18:52 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 15:41 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Peter Crosland <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-14 20:26 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 16:28 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Peter Crosland <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-14 20:49 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 16:58 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-15 10:24 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-15 09:07 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Peter Crosland <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-15 18:38 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-14 21:39 +0000
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-14 08:21 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 12:20 -0400
Re: Apple fixes major oversight with iOS 8.2 release nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-12 10:28 -0400
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 21:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmg41mv.pf.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #46350 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? Bert <bert@iphouse.com> was all, like: > The only place I'd have any use for BlueTooth would be in my car, and I > use my phone there, not my iPad. So no, you do NOT know all the things Bluetooth is used for. -- http://2blog.kreme.com Wife: Who are you talking to? Husb: [on phone] Jon Wife: Aren't you going to talk to me? Husb: I talked to you at dinner, do I need to talk to you again?
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| From | Bert <bert@iphouse.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 16:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA45C7486D7BAVeebleFetzer@127.0.0.1> |
| In reply to | #46365 |
In news:slrnmg41mv.pf.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > So no, you do NOT know all the things Bluetooth is used for. And you do know everything it's used for now, and everything it will be used for in the future. Fascinating. -- bert@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 13:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <130320151309314324%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #46404 |
In article <XnsA45C7486D7BAVeebleFetzer@127.0.0.1>, Bert <bert@iphouse.com> wrote: > > So no, you do NOT know all the things Bluetooth is used for. > > And you do know everything it's used for now, and everything it will be > used for in the future. > > Fascinating. it's described in various places, so it's not that hard to find out.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 00:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <120320150002246802%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #46316 |
In article <XnsA45AB4CA1DAB9VeebleFetzer@127.0.0.1>, Bert <bert@iphouse.com> wrote: > > Leaving bluetooth off is a very VERY silly thing to do. > > If it's not being used, why? because it's being used for a variety of things that may not be obvious, including location services, ibeacons, continuity with macs running yosemite and more. you don't need to explicitly pair something for it to be used. turning it off makes so little difference in battery life that it's not worth worrying about.
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| From | David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 07:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mdrfgk$vr7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #46311 |
On 11/03/2015 20:50, Lewis wrote: > Okay, so one time? In band camp? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> was all, like: >> On 3/11/2015 11:50 AM, Bert wrote: >>> In the iOS 8.2 update, they remembered to turn on and leave Bluetooth on >>> after the update, even if it was off before. > >> Yep, I saw this on iPhone 4S when BlueTooth was disabled. Bah! > > Leaving bluetooth off is a very VERY silly thing to do. Enabling bluetooth then it's not required is a security risk. Leave it off when it's not needed. Apple's automatic enabling is a poor choice. -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 12:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmg3396.30bf.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #46328 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> was all, like: > On 11/03/2015 20:50, Lewis wrote: >> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> was all, like: >>> On 3/11/2015 11:50 AM, Bert wrote: >>>> In the iOS 8.2 update, they remembered to turn on and leave Bluetooth on >>>> after the update, even if it was off before. >> >>> Yep, I saw this on iPhone 4S when BlueTooth was disabled. Bah! >> >> Leaving bluetooth off is a very VERY silly thing to do. > Enabling bluetooth then it's not required is a security risk. Really? How so? There are no security issues with iOS bluetooth that I know of. Or are you just spreading FUD? > Leave it off when it's not needed. Nope. > Apple's automatic enabling is a poor choice. Nope. -- http://2blog.kreme.com MS Word still hasn't caught up -- it has more bells and whistles, but not as many pistons and cylinders. -- Steve Hayes
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| From | David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 14:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mds91j$t10$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #46332 |
On 12/03/2015 12:56, Lewis wrote: [] > Really? How so? There are no security issues with iOS bluetooth that I > know of. Or are you just spreading FUD? Any unnecessary connection into a computer is a potential security risk, and should be disabled if not required. Just good security practice. -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 15:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmdo29Fu491U7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #46337 |
On 2015-03-12, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > On 12/03/2015 12:56, Lewis wrote: > [] >> Really? How so? There are no security issues with iOS bluetooth that I >> know of. Or are you just spreading FUD? > > Any unnecessary connection into a computer is a potential security risk, > and should be disabled if not required. Just good security practice. Do you also disable WiFi and your cellular connection regularly, since those are also not required on a continuous basis? If not, what makes Bluetooth so special in this regard - according to you? The fact is there are many different features that require Bluetooth (some, but certainly not all, have been listed in this thread already). Personally, I use some of those features, such as Handoff and Bluetooth peripherals, frequently enough that disabling Bluetooth frequently would severely reduce my productivity. I don't expect every iOS user to be able to say that, but have to think that Apple probably has a much better grasp of how many iOS users might need Bluetooth-enabled functionality (whether they realize it or not), and they almost certainly have a much better idea of the security implications than little, old you. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 15:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mdsaon$4ah$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #46340 |
On 12/03/2015 15:01, Jolly Roger wrote: > On 2015-03-12, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote: >> On 12/03/2015 12:56, Lewis wrote: >> [] >>> Really? How so? There are no security issues with iOS bluetooth that I >>> know of. Or are you just spreading FUD? >> >> Any unnecessary connection into a computer is a potential security risk, >> and should be disabled if not required. Just good security practice. > > Do you also disable WiFi and your cellular connection regularly, since > those are also not required on a continuous basis? If not, what makes > Bluetooth so special in this regard - according to you? The fact is > there are many different features that require Bluetooth (some, but > certainly not all, have been listed in this thread already). Personally, > I use some of those features, such as Handoff and Bluetooth peripherals, > frequently enough that disabling Bluetooth frequently would severely > reduce my productivity. I don't expect every iOS user to be able to say > that, but have to think that Apple probably has a much better grasp of > how many iOS users might need Bluetooth-enabled functionality (whether > they realize it or not), and they almost certainly have a much better > idea of the security implications than little, old you. Personal insults will not get you anywhere in this discussion. Yes, I disable Wi-Fi and cellular if they are not needed. Personally, I have no need for Bluetooth so it's disabled as well but, as I said, if it /is/ routinely required then by all means enable it and leave it enabled. What is potentially hazardous here is that if a user has decided to leave Bluetooth off, then Apple should not be overriding that choice, at least not without warning the user that a change is being made to one of their connectivity settings. Apple should leave the setting as it was. -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 11:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <120320151128025019%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #46344 |
In article <mdsaon$4ah$1@dont-email.me>, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > >>> Really? How so? There are no security issues with iOS bluetooth that I > >>> know of. Or are you just spreading FUD? > >> > >> Any unnecessary connection into a computer is a potential security risk, > >> and should be disabled if not required. Just good security practice. > > > > Do you also disable WiFi and your cellular connection regularly, since > > those are also not required on a continuous basis? If not, what makes > > Bluetooth so special in this regard - according to you? The fact is > > there are many different features that require Bluetooth (some, but > > certainly not all, have been listed in this thread already). Personally, > > I use some of those features, such as Handoff and Bluetooth peripherals, > > frequently enough that disabling Bluetooth frequently would severely > > reduce my productivity. I don't expect every iOS user to be able to say > > that, but have to think that Apple probably has a much better grasp of > > how many iOS users might need Bluetooth-enabled functionality (whether > > they realize it or not), and they almost certainly have a much better > > idea of the security implications than little, old you. > > Personal insults will not get you anywhere in this discussion. where's the insult? unless a user is a security expert (which you aren't), apple does have a better grasp on the issues. it's a statement of fact. > Yes, I disable Wi-Fi and cellular if they are not needed. figures. that's a shitload of effort for no benefit. > Personally, I > have no need for Bluetooth so it's disabled as well but, as I said, if > it /is/ routinely required then by all means enable it and leave it enabled. it is routinely required. > What is potentially hazardous here is that if a user has decided to > leave Bluetooth off, then Apple should not be overriding that choice, at > least not without warning the user that a change is being made to one of > their connectivity settings. Apple should leave the setting as it was. again, apple enables it because otherwise, a lot of functionality *breaks* with bluetooth off, including location services, ibeacons, continuity and more.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 15:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cmdq25Fu491U9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #46344 |
On 2015-03-12, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > On 12/03/2015 15:01, Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2015-03-12, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote: >>> On 12/03/2015 12:56, Lewis wrote: >>> [] >>>> Really? How so? There are no security issues with iOS bluetooth that I >>>> know of. Or are you just spreading FUD? >>> >>> Any unnecessary connection into a computer is a potential security risk, >>> and should be disabled if not required. Just good security practice. >> >> Do you also disable WiFi and your cellular connection regularly, since >> those are also not required on a continuous basis? If not, what makes >> Bluetooth so special in this regard - according to you? The fact is >> there are many different features that require Bluetooth (some, but >> certainly not all, have been listed in this thread already). Personally, >> I use some of those features, such as Handoff and Bluetooth peripherals, >> frequently enough that disabling Bluetooth frequently would severely >> reduce my productivity. I don't expect every iOS user to be able to say >> that, but have to think that Apple probably has a much better grasp of >> how many iOS users might need Bluetooth-enabled functionality (whether >> they realize it or not), and they almost certainly have a much better >> idea of the security implications than little, old you. > > Personal insults will not get you anywhere in this discussion. Say what? I haven't insulted you once. If you feel insulted by my claim that Apple knows more about security than you (which is very likely the case), you really need to grow a thicker skin! > Yes, I disable Wi-Fi and cellular if they are not needed. Personally, I > have no need for Bluetooth so it's disabled as well but, as I said, if > it /is/ routinely required then by all means enable it and leave it enabled. Most people do leave them enabled, because the increase in functionality and productivity is high with them enabled. And there are no widespread security issues that you can point to affecting all of those people. > What is potentially hazardous You haven't shown anything to back up your claims that enabling Bluetooth is "hazardous" or that it's a security risk for iOS users. There are no widespread Bluetooth security issues affecting the millions of iOS devices out there with Bluetooth enabled. > here is that if a user has decided to > leave Bluetooth off, then Apple should not be overriding that choice, at > least not without warning the user that a change is being made to one of > their connectivity settings. Apple should leave the setting as it was. That's debatable. Many people don't know or care to learn which features require Bluetooth connectivity, and would rather their iOS devices "just work". Apple knows this and turns Bluetooth on for them both in the default factory configuration for every iOS device as well as during subsequent system updates. Again, I have to think Apple has a better idea of the ramifications than you. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 19:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mdsotb$v8c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #46346 |
On 12/03/2015 15:35, Jolly Roger wrote: [] Again, I have to think Apple has a better idea of the ramifications than you. Sounding very much like one of the "Apple can do no wrong" brigade. If you need Bluetooth, turn it on. If not, leave it off, and decrease your vulnerability. I still think it poor practice for Apple to alter a setting which the user has chosen. -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 15:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <120320151553361056%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #46355 |
In article <mdsotb$v8c$1@dont-email.me>, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > > Again, I have to think Apple has a better idea of the ramifications than > > you. > > Sounding very much like one of the "Apple can do no wrong" brigade. nope. > If you need Bluetooth, turn it on. If not, leave it off, and decrease > your vulnerability. I still think it poor practice for Apple to alter a > setting which the user has chosen. that sounds very much like the "i know more than everyone else and refuse to listen" brigade. what you're missing is there's *much* more to bluetooth than pairing with a headphone or keyboard. bluetooth is now used for a number of things *in the background* that adds a wide variety of functionality. bluetooth is used without you even realizing it and you're shooting yourself in the foot by turning it off. there is almost no difference in battery life and your security issue is a non-starter since any attacker would need to be within 10-15 feet to try to hack you, and that's assuming they even could (there aren't any known exploits). everything is sandboxed, so even if someone manages to connect, there's nothing that they could do. worse, you're ignoring those who *do* know why it's better to have it on.
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| From | bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 20:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <2022499296447901442.246846address_is-invalid.invalid@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #46357 |
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <mdsotb$v8c$1@dont-email.me>, David Taylor > > >> If you need Bluetooth, turn it on. If not, leave it off, and decrease >> your vulnerability. I still think it poor practice for Apple to alter a >> setting which the user has chosen. > > that sounds very much like the "i know more than everyone else and > refuse to listen" brigade. > > what you're missing is there's *much* more to bluetooth than pairing > with a headphone or keyboard. > > bluetooth is now used for a number of things *in the background* that > adds a wide variety of functionality. > > bluetooth is used without you even realizing it and you're shooting > yourself in the foot by turning it off. > > there is almost no difference in battery life and your security issue > is a non-starter since any attacker would need to be within 10-15 feet > to try to hack you, and that's assuming they even could (there aren't > any known exploits). everything is sandboxed, so even if someone > manages to connect, there's nothing that they could do. > > worse, you're ignoring those who *do* know why it's better to have it > on. What do I need BT for? My devices don't need to talk to each other. I already know where I am and even w/o BT so do the apps I use that seem to want to know. So why turn it on unless I need it to connect with something in particular? My devices don't seem to have gone into meltdown with BT turned off, and I didn't notice any problems between the time of the latest iOS update and remembering to turn BT back off.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 11:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <120320151111094247%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #46337 |
In article <mds91j$t10$1@dont-email.me>, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > > Really? How so? There are no security issues with iOS bluetooth that I > > know of. Or are you just spreading FUD? > > Any unnecessary connection into a computer is a potential security risk, > and should be disabled if not required. Just good security practice. do you go into airplane mode whenever you're not using wifi? bluetooth is required by various services and should remain on which is why apple enables it. otherwise users have reduced functionality. but you're used to that.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-03-12 21:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmg41hu.pf.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #46337 |
Okay, so one time? In band camp? David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> was all, like: > On 12/03/2015 12:56, Lewis wrote: > [] >> Really? How so? There are no security issues with iOS bluetooth that I >> know of. Or are you just spreading FUD? > Any unnecessary connection into a computer is a potential security risk, > and should be disabled if not required. Just good security practice. Ah, so yes, you are simply spreading FUD. At least bullshit has some use, unlike FUD. -- http://2blog.kreme.com On 30 Jul 2013, Wietse Venema wrote: >Think 100MHz Pentium, 33k6 analog modem. Even I have stopped using that.
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| From | David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 09:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mdu96m$j9j$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #46364 |
On 12/03/2015 21:33, Lewis wrote: [] > Ah, so yes, you are simply spreading FUD. > > At least bullshit has some use, unlike FUD. If you wish to avoid best security practice, that is, of course, up to you. It's certainly not FUD. -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
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| From | Peter Crosland <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-03-13 11:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <LaCdnZQWO-kVW5_InZ2dnUVZ8sednZ2d@brightview.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #46394 |
On 13/03/2015 09:05, David Taylor wrote: > On 12/03/2015 21:33, Lewis wrote: > [] >> Ah, so yes, you are simply spreading FUD. >> >> At least bullshit has some use, unlike FUD. > > If you wish to avoid best security practice, that is, of course, up to > you. You keep repeating this statement. How about quantifying a bit more? How exactly is it a security risk in a domestic environment? TIA -- Peter Crosland Reply address is valid
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| From | David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 09:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <me0tb8$lhu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #46397 |
On 13/03/2015 11:15, Peter Crosland wrote: [] > You keep repeating this statement. How about quantifying a bit more? How > exactly is it a security risk in a domestic environment? TIA You would need to judge for yourself how much of a risk any particular connection is. In a benign environment, perhaps no risk at all. If you have "hacker-oriented" kids within connection range of the device, perhaps more. In an Internet cafe environment, perhaps rather more. You may have seen recommendations to use cellular connections rather than Wi-Fi if the the Wi-Fi connection may be compromised. -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
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| From | Peter Crosland <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-03-14 12:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <EvadnU19LZzAuJnInZ2dnUVZ8u6dnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #46445 |
On 14/03/2015 09:01, David Taylor wrote: > On 13/03/2015 11:15, Peter Crosland wrote: > [] >> You keep repeating this statement. How about quantifying a bit more? How >> exactly is it a security risk in a domestic environment? TIA > > You would need to judge for yourself how much of a risk any particular > connection is. In a benign environment, perhaps no risk at all. If you > have "hacker-oriented" kids within connection range of the device, > perhaps more. In an Internet cafe environment, perhaps rather more. You > may have seen recommendations to use cellular connections rather than > Wi-Fi if the the Wi-Fi connection may be compromised. I will rephrase the question. Just making a bald statement that there a risk is not a compelling, or a convincing argument at all. Please quantify the actual risk from enabling blue-tooth? -- Peter Crosland Reply address is valid
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