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How does whatsapp work?

Started bymicky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
First post2026-08-31 09:01 -0400
Last post2026-09-09 12:53 +0200
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  How does whatsapp work? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-31 09:01 -0400
    Re: How does whatsapp work? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-31 09:20 -0600
      Re: How does whatsapp work? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-01 00:51 -0400
    Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-31 20:37 +0200
      Re: How does whatsapp work? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-01 01:01 -0400
        Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 09:44 +0200
      Re: How does whatsapp work? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:47 +0200
        Signal (was: Re: How does whatsapp work?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:21 +0100
          Re: Signal (was: Re: How does whatsapp work?) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-01 16:30 +0200
            Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 19:15 +0200
              Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 19:32 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 21:25 +0200
                  Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 21:26 +0200
                    Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 21:53 +0200
                      Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:20 +0200
                        Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:10 +0200
                          Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:37 +0200
                            Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:23 +0200
                              Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:36 +0200
                                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:31 +0200
                                  Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:32 +0200
                                    Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:40 +0530
                                      Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:24 +0200
                                        Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 11:39 +0845
                                          [OT/Meta] Trolling (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:37 +0100
                                            Re: [OT/Meta] Trolling Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 03:43 +0930
                            Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:28 +0100
                              Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 02:31 +0930
                  [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:18 +0100
                    Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:10 +0200
                      Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:25 +0200
                        Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:28 +0200
                          Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:33 +0200
                            Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:41 +0530
                              Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:25 +0200
                                Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 11:35 +0845
                      Re: [OT] "trolling" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 20:07 +0000
                        Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-10 09:27 +0200
                    Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:24 +0200
                      Re: [OT] "trolling" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-02 18:56 +0000
                        Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:18 +0200
                          Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:38 +0200
                            Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:27 +0200
                              Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:33 +0200
                                Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 05:58 +0845
                                  Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:25 +0200
                                    Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 11:36 +0845
              Re: Signal Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-01 18:59 +0100
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 21:18 +0200
              Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:11 +0100
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:18 +0200
                  Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:28 +0200
                    Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:25 +0200
                      Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:38 +0200
                        Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:32 +0200
                          Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:00 +0200
                            Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:39 +0530
          Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 19:05 +0200
            Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 19:13 +0200
              Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 20:52 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 21:27 +0200
                  Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 21:50 +0200
                    Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:20 +0200
                      Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:11 +0200
                        Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 18:50 +0100
                          Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:30 +0200
                            Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:34 +0200
                              Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:51 +0200
                                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:34 +0200
                                  Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:00 +0200
                                    Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 06:00 +0845
                            Re: Signal Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-03 09:42 +0100
                              Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 03:13 +0930
                                [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-04 13:12 +0100
                                  Re: [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-08 21:04 +0300
                                    Re: [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-09-08 19:32 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-09 08:21 +0300
                          Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:31 +0200
                            Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:51 +0200
                              Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:27 +0200
                                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:34 +0200
                                  Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:37 +0530
                                Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:55 +0100
                                  Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 02:44 +0930
                                    [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-04 12:39 +0100
                                    Re: Signal micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-09 08:44 +0300
                                  Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-04 09:56 +0200
                                    [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 10:17 +0100
                                      Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-06 13:59 +0200
                                        Re: [OT] "trolling" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 13:34 +0100
                                          Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-06 20:07 +0200
                                        Re: [OT] "trolling" micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-09 08:51 +0300
                                          Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-09 12:49 +0200
                                          Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-09 09:55 -0700
                                            Re: Contacts Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 10:16 +0100
                                              Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-10 09:30 -0700
                                                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-10 17:49 +0000
                                                  Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-10 21:33 -0700
                                                    Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-11 06:54 +0000
                                                      Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-11 01:24 -0600
                                                        Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-11 11:09 -0700
                                                          Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-11 18:23 +0000
                                                            Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-11 12:56 -0600
                                                              Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-11 19:37 +0000
                                                          Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-11 12:46 -0600
                                                            Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-11 12:48 -0700
                                                              Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-11 21:59 -0230
                                                                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-11 19:12 -0700
                                                                  Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-12 01:31 -0100
                                                              Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-12 13:00 +0000
                                                                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 08:32 -0700
                                                                  Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-12 17:31 +0000
                                                                    Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 13:05 -0700
                                                                  Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-12 18:00 +0000
                                                                    Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 13:05 -0700
                                                          Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-17 13:33 +0300
                                                            Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-17 12:30 +0000
                                                              Re: Contacts Siard <saylor259@mailbox.org> - 2026-09-17 15:12 +0200
                                                                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-17 16:12 +0000
                                                                Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-17 18:48 +0200
                                                                Re: Contacts Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-09-18 10:04 +0200
                                                            Re: Contacts Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-09-18 10:00 +0200
                                                              Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-18 10:58 -0700
                                                  Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 +0300
                                                Re: Contacts Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 00:30 +0100
                                            Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-12 21:58 +0300
                                              Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 13:16 -0700
                                                Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-13 05:06 +0300
                                                  Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-13 05:15 +0300
                                                    Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 20:40 -0700
                                                      Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-13 11:22 +0545
                                                        Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-13 06:05 -0700
                                                          Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-13 06:54 -1000
                                                            Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-13 14:17 -0700
                                                              Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-15 00:50 +0000
                                                          Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-13 19:02 +0000
                                                            Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-13 14:17 -0700
                                                              Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-14 21:56 -0300
                                                            Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-20 00:15 -0700
                                                              Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-23 21:02 +0300
                                                    Application identification on Motorola Android (was: Re: Contacts) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 08:11 +0100
                            Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:12 +0100
                              Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:26 +0200
                              Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:40 +0200
                                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:35 +0530
                                  Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 00:03 +0100
                                    Re: Signal Nuno Silva <user17785@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-03 01:00 +0000
                                      Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 02:47 +0930
                            [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:49 +0100
                              Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 03:38 +0930
                              Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-04 09:26 +0200
                        Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:29 +0200
                          Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:33 +0200
                            Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:51 +0200
                              Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:35 +0200
                                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:00 +0200
                                  Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:36 +0530
                Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:24 +0100
                  Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:30 +0200
                  Re: Signal Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-03 09:29 +0100
                    Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 03:04 +0930
                      Re: Signal Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-03 18:46 +0100
                        Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 04:22 +0930
            Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 19:20 +0200
        Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 17:03 +0200
          Re: How does whatsapp work? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:56 +0200
            Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:04 +0200
              Re: How does whatsapp work? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-04 21:15 +0200
                Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-05 14:14 +0200
                  Re: How does whatsapp work? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-05 18:03 +0200
      Re: How does whatsapp work? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-01 14:37 +0000
        Re: How does whatsapp work? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-09 09:07 +0300
          Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-09 12:53 +0200

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#155551 — Re: Signal

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-09-02 22:34 +0200
SubjectRe: Signal
Message-ID<vrdmmmxtos.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#155543
On 2026-09-02 22:27, Maria Sophia wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> They are not facts, they are opinions
> 
> I posted cites & excerpts to Android documentation. Those are not opinions.
> You may hate the result of those documents, but they're still facts.
> 
> Your only intent, clearly, is to endlessly troll this newsgroup, Carlos.
> Stop it.

We argued the issue at length, and we proved you wrong. We don't need to 
go again over it.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#155562 — Re: Signal

FromMaria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com>
Date2026-09-03 02:37 +0530
SubjectRe: Signal
Message-ID<117a36n$99h$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#155551
Carlos E.R. wrote:
> We argued the issue at length

You've never supplied a single fact.

Not even one.

Meanwhile, both Andy and I provided documented facts.

I'm fine if you can't accept that fact, but stop trolling this newsgroup!

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#155588 — Re: Signal

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-03 11:55 +0100
SubjectRe: Signal
Message-ID<117bjmd$3j6ut$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#155543
On 2026-09-02, Maria Sophia wrote:

> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> They are not facts, they are opinions
>
> I posted cites & excerpts to Android documentation. Those are not opinions.
> You may hate the result of those documents, but they're still facts.

I can't help but feel slightly appalled that somebody who has before
stressed the importance of logic can't understand that something being
written doesn't make it a fact, let alone a universally valid one.

Heck, I've had manufacturer service manuals include blatantly incorrect
information.

[ /me Stares at Helwett "your Pavilion laptop has two SODIMM slots" Packard. ]

> Your only intent, clearly, is to endlessly troll this newsgroup, Carlos.
> Stop it.

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#155595 — Re: Signal

FromMaria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com>
Date2026-09-04 02:44 +0930
SubjectRe: Signal
Message-ID<117c9ug$2i66$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#155588
Nuno Silva wrote:
> I can't help but feel slightly appalled

Hi Nuno,

Think about it logically.
 1. Andy and I provided facts (cites, articles, documents, court cases)
 2. Nobody disputes those facts, except Carlos.
 3. Carlos simply claims all facts are wrong.
 4. Now you come along, and claim facts "can" be wrong.

WTF?
That's not logic, Nuno.

You claim, sans a shred of evidence, that the facts we presented "can" be
wrong (which is true, but what's your evidence?). 

Remember, nobody is disputing the facts. 
 a. Except Carlos.
 b. Who is a troll.
 c. Which is proved by the fact he's clearly trolling this newsgroup.

You have to troll, to actually be accused of trolling.
That's logic, right?

And Carlos has been trolling this thread, has he not?
 A. Repeatedly, he posted his incessant denials of facts.
 B. Without ever supplying a single fact by way of response.

Why do you "agree" with Carlos (which is absurd), and yet, you never once
asked Carlos to explain why he thinks all facts by Andy and me are wrong?

Why not, Nuno?

Carlos has never in this newsgroup ever been able to dispute those facts
with facts. He just constantly trolls us by claiming all facts are wrong.

Without ever even once in the history of this newsgroup, providing a single
fact that backs up his claim that Andy and I are wrong.

And then, you take Carlos' point of view, Nuno/
WTF?

That's not logic.

You don't ask Carlos to back up his claim that all facts on this topic by
Andy and me are wrong even as NOBODY else but Carlos refutes those facts?

Why not?

Why not be LOGICAL and ask Carlos to provide even a single fact instead of
Carlos trolling us with constant refutation of the known facts that both
Andy and I have provided cites to that include documents and court cases.

Do me a favor, Nuno.

Before you agree with the troll that "all facts are wrong", why don't you
ask the troll why he think that Andy and I posted incorrect facts, Nuno.
 
That would be a logical thing do to.

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#155615 — [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal)

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-04 12:39 +0100
Subject[OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal)
Message-ID<117eam3$iikm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#155595
On 2026-09-03, Maria Sophia wrote:

> Nuno Silva wrote:
>> I can't help but feel slightly appalled
>
> Hi Nuno,
>
> Think about it logically.
>  1. Andy and I provided facts (cites, articles, documents, court cases)
[...]
> You claim, sans a shred of evidence, that the facts we presented "can" be
> wrong (which is true, but what's your evidence?).

I'm not disputing the veracity of these facts, I'm disputing that
they're assumed to be facts to begin with.

They may be facts, the problem I was alluding at is that by being a
citation, article, document, court case, that does not automatically
make information in it a fact. And if we're going to assume otherwise,
then things can easily go wrong.

> Remember, nobody is disputing the facts. 
>  a. Except Carlos.
>  b. Who is a troll.
>  c. Which is proved by the fact he's clearly trolling this newsgroup.
>
> You have to troll, to actually be accused of trolling.
> That's logic, right?

No, this is a similar thing. You have to be seen as being trolling by
someone, or someone may want to utter that even without any perception
of trolling for whatever reason. That there is an accusation does not
imply the occurence of that as a fact.

It may be a fact, it may not. The accusations themselves are no grounds
to establish that as a fact, and this goes both ways, not just for
Carlos, but for you too. And for anyone else participating in that
"vote" thread meanwhile mentioned.

> And Carlos has been trolling this thread, has he not?
>  A. Repeatedly, he posted his incessant denials of facts.
>  B. Without ever supplying a single fact by way of response.
>
> Why do you "agree" with Carlos (which is absurd), and yet, you never once
> asked Carlos to explain why he thinks all facts by Andy and me are
> wrong?

I don't think I've agreed with Carlos on this matter so far, I've merely
thanked for some context when provided.

> Why not, Nuno?

(... and I'd like to stress that I've been asking specifically about the
back-and-forth, and not about the disagreement that triggered it,
although that's likely also relevant context)

> Carlos has never in this newsgroup ever been able to dispute those facts
> with facts. He just constantly trolls us by claiming all facts are wrong.
>
> Without ever even once in the history of this newsgroup, providing a single
> fact that backs up his claim that Andy and I are wrong.

I don't currently have the time to go read archives of this newsgroup to
be able to make such an absolue assessment.

> And then, you take Carlos' point of view, Nuno/
> WTF?

I'd kindly appreciate if you took a moment to reread what I wrote and
see whether have I taken Carlos' view on this matter so far, just like
that other post where I did not chastise you.

And by this I also don't mean I'm taking your view or rejecting Carlos'
view. I'm merely trying not to take sides without fuller information, or
without something I see as compelling to take a side. And if I ever take
a position on this - which I likely will, given how this is derailing -
it's more likely to be my position and my assessment, and not somebody
else's.

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#155808 — Re: Signal

Frommicky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
Date2026-09-09 08:44 +0300
SubjectRe: Signal
Message-ID<9hr1al9tq9d8h24ncmgr5u01ndoidvhteq@4ax.com>
In reply to#155595
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 4 Sep 2026 02:44:56 +0930, Maria Sophia
<mariasophia@comprehension.com> wrote:

>
>You have to troll, to actually be accused of trolling.
>That's logic, right?

 No, It is not logic. People are accused of things they did not do all
the time, either because the accuser is mistaken about the facts , or
because he feels he has a valid overriding reason, or because he was
bribed ,Or because he has an emotional need to win an argument, or even
because of malice.

Have you not heard of men falsely accused of beating their wives ? Or of
an actual embezzler who cleverly shifts the blame to look like it falls
on someone else and who participates in the accusation?   Why do we have
trials if not to decide if someone is truly accused or falsely accused ?
If no one were ever falsely accused we would not need to have any
trials. 

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#155611 — Re: Signal

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-09-04 09:56 +0200
SubjectRe: Signal
Message-ID<s6aqmmxltd.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#155588
On 2026-09-03 12:55, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2026-09-02, Maria Sophia wrote:
> 
>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> They are not facts, they are opinions
>>
>> I posted cites & excerpts to Android documentation. Those are not opinions.
>> You may hate the result of those documents, but they're still facts.
> 
> I can't help but feel slightly appalled that somebody who has before
> stressed the importance of logic can't understand that something being
> written doesn't make it a fact, let alone a universally valid one.
> 
> Heck, I've had manufacturer service manuals include blatantly incorrect
> information.
> 
> [ /me Stares at Helwett "your Pavilion laptop has two SODIMM slots" Packard. ]

As you are new to the group, I should add some info.

I refuse to answer Arlen requests for "facts" because the single matter 
that I posted about that started this browhaha was discussed here in 
depth with several participants and we reached some conclusions (which 
Arlen refuses to accept). I refuse to go over it again.

Namely, that this statement of Arlen, which he repeats often:

A> I will make a moral statement though, which people can choose to 
disregard,
A> but it's based on facts, which is anyone who has anything in their 
contacts
A> that they don't own, is being exceptionally rude to friends & family.

is false and not accepted. He is basically saying that everybody in the 
world is being rude for merely using the Google Contacts app (ie, that 
Google has access to our contact database and uses that data). It is 
specially not true for people living in the EU with our data protection 
laws.

And I refuse to argue why again.

Saying this sends Arlen into a fit; has happened before. Arlen (aka 
Maria (he is a name shifter)) has a trait of calling troll or fool 
anybody that contradicts him and doesn't accept his "facts" as facts. 
And you have witnessed this. Welcome to the group (or sorry about it if 
you prefer) :-)


Where this we discuss this? Long ago, I did not keep pointers to every 
conversation, maybe I should have kept this one. Perhaps this thread:

Subject: Texting annoyance
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 10:13:23 +0100
From: db <...@gmail.com>
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
Message-ID: <uog2rj$3jso4$1@dont-email.me>

He used a different alias back then. Actually more than one in this 
single thread. He even accused me of being a racist towards him, out of 
the blue!

He is indeed a character. I try not to ignite him, but he ignited me by 
calling my, and millions, rude.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#155670 — [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal)

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-06 10:17 +0100
Subject[OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal)
Message-ID<117jb2c$26mtg$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#155611
On 2026-09-04, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2026-09-03 12:55, Nuno Silva wrote:
>> On 2026-09-02, Maria Sophia wrote:
>>
>>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> They are not facts, they are opinions
>>>
>>> I posted cites & excerpts to Android documentation. Those are not opinions.
>>> You may hate the result of those documents, but they're still facts.
>>
>> I can't help but feel slightly appalled that somebody who has before
>> stressed the importance of logic can't understand that something being
>> written doesn't make it a fact, let alone a universally valid one.
>>
>> Heck, I've had manufacturer service manuals include blatantly incorrect
>> information.
>>
>> [ /me Stares at Helwett "your Pavilion laptop has two SODIMM slots" Packard. ]
>
> As you are new to the group, I should add some info.

Thanks!,

>
> I refuse to answer Arlen requests for "facts" because the single
> matter that I posted about that started this browhaha was discussed
> here in depth with several participants and we reached some
> conclusions (which Arlen refuses to accept). I refuse to go over it
> again.
>
> Namely, that this statement of Arlen, which he repeats often:
>
> A> I will make a moral statement though, which people can choose to
> A> disregard, but it's based on facts, which is anyone who has
> A> anything in their contacts that they don't own, is being
> A> exceptionally rude to friends & family.
>
> is false and not accepted. He is basically saying that everybody in
> the world is being rude for merely using the Google Contacts app (ie,
> that Google has access to our contact database and uses that data). It
> is specially not true for people living in the EU with our data
> protection laws.
>
> And I refuse to argue why again.

As I've commented elsewhere in the thread: I think I understand the
reasoning behind this and I think I can agree to *some extent*, in the
same way that several years ago people joining e.g. LinkedIn would give
them mail addresses to spam to no end.

But from that to "being exceptionally rude" goes a distance I'm not
crossing, at least not for the time being...

> Saying this sends Arlen into a fit; has happened before. Arlen (aka
> Maria (he is a name shifter)) has a trait of calling troll or fool
> anybody that contradicts him and doesn't accept his "facts" as
> facts. And you have witnessed this. Welcome to the group (or sorry
> about it if you prefer) :-)

That's now obvious to me, and I wish I had just not started the mess I
ended up starting. It's a shame, given a lot of their posts can actually
be useful, productive and helpful. But what comes across now is that
every time Maria says logic is important or that they're striving to add
something to the discussion with every post, that it's just meaningless
filling for the post. Saying that they value someobody's contribution,
when the alternative appears to be calling a "troll" or describing it as
"trolling", nears the same evaluation.

And that's sad.

Now because I'm saying that *that specific part* of their posts is
useless, they'll say I'm "agreeing with you" in what they see as
trolling-aggression and trolling myself, even though what I'm saying is
basically that their posts are not garbage, that there's still useful
and relevant content at least in some of them...

(Again, something that'd be very easy to understand for somebody who
actually knows at least something of logic. Or has seen Venn diagrams,
or the de Morgan laws, ...)


At this point, let me be clear in case they come demanding an apology
from this post for some reason: after all of their responses, and they
not even apologizing for the "chastising" escalation, which I've chosen
to interpret as merely arising out of misreading:

After all that, I couldn't care any least what their opinion of me or my
posts is. I don't have time or energy to worry about that, and there are
other things more worthy of my time, like rewatching the Star Wars
Holiday Special.


> Where this we discuss this? Long ago, I did not keep pointers to every
> conversation, maybe I should have kept this one. Perhaps this thread:
>
> Subject: Texting annoyance
> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 10:13:23 +0100
> From: db <...@gmail.com>
> Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
> Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
> Message-ID: <uog2rj$3jso4$1@dont-email.me>
>
> He used a different alias back then. Actually more than one in this
> single thread. He even accused me of being a racist towards him, out
> of the blue!
>
> He is indeed a character. I try not to ignite him, but he ignited me
> by calling my, and millions, rude.

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#155674 — Re: [OT] "trolling"

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-09-06 13:59 +0200
SubjectRe: [OT] "trolling"
Message-ID<6610nmxu6f.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#155670
On 2026-09-06 11:17, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2026-09-04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-09-03 12:55, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>> On 2026-09-02, Maria Sophia wrote:
>>>
>>>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> They are not facts, they are opinions
>>>>
>>>> I posted cites & excerpts to Android documentation. Those are not opinions.
>>>> You may hate the result of those documents, but they're still facts.
>>>
>>> I can't help but feel slightly appalled that somebody who has before
>>> stressed the importance of logic can't understand that something being
>>> written doesn't make it a fact, let alone a universally valid one.
>>>
>>> Heck, I've had manufacturer service manuals include blatantly incorrect
>>> information.
>>>
>>> [ /me Stares at Helwett "your Pavilion laptop has two SODIMM slots" Packard. ]
>>
>> As you are new to the group, I should add some info.
> 
> Thanks!,
> 
>>
>> I refuse to answer Arlen requests for "facts" because the single
>> matter that I posted about that started this browhaha was discussed
>> here in depth with several participants and we reached some
>> conclusions (which Arlen refuses to accept). I refuse to go over it
>> again.
>>
>> Namely, that this statement of Arlen, which he repeats often:
>>
>> A> I will make a moral statement though, which people can choose to
>> A> disregard, but it's based on facts, which is anyone who has
>> A> anything in their contacts that they don't own, is being
>> A> exceptionally rude to friends & family.
>>
>> is false and not accepted. He is basically saying that everybody in
>> the world is being rude for merely using the Google Contacts app (ie,
>> that Google has access to our contact database and uses that data). It
>> is specially not true for people living in the EU with our data
>> protection laws.
>>
>> And I refuse to argue why again.

Just to clarify, in case it is not clear. I use the Google Contacts 
application, which is installed by default. I add all my friends, 
family, people I barely know, professionals, etc, to it. He assumes that 
Google treats this as public information and that they can do anything 
they wish with it. Like spamming my friends. Well, that simply doesn't 
happen. In the EU where I live that is protected information and Google 
would get a monster fine. Thus, I'm not being rude by storing contact 
information in the contact app.

And other applications can not just copy the information and upload to 
their own servers and make free use of it.

If you already understood, forgive my blurb :-)

> 
> As I've commented elsewhere in the thread: I think I understand the
> reasoning behind this and I think I can agree to *some extent*, in the
> same way that several years ago people joining e.g. LinkedIn would give
> them mail addresses to spam to no end.
> 
> But from that to "being exceptionally rude" goes a distance I'm not
> crossing, at least not for the time being...
> 

...


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#155675 — Re: [OT] "trolling"

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-06 13:34 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] "trolling"
Message-ID<117jml6$2bkjb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#155674
On 2026-09-06, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2026-09-06 11:17, Nuno Silva wrote:
>> On 2026-09-04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-09-03 12:55, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>> On 2026-09-02, Maria Sophia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>> They are not facts, they are opinions
>>>>>
>>>>> I posted cites & excerpts to Android documentation. Those are not opinions.
>>>>> You may hate the result of those documents, but they're still facts.
>>>>
>>>> I can't help but feel slightly appalled that somebody who has before
>>>> stressed the importance of logic can't understand that something being
>>>> written doesn't make it a fact, let alone a universally valid one.
>>>>
>>>> Heck, I've had manufacturer service manuals include blatantly incorrect
>>>> information.
>>>>
>>>> [ /me Stares at Helwett "your Pavilion laptop has two SODIMM slots" Packard. ]
>>>
>>> As you are new to the group, I should add some info.
>>
>> Thanks!,
>>
>>>
>>> I refuse to answer Arlen requests for "facts" because the single
>>> matter that I posted about that started this browhaha was discussed
>>> here in depth with several participants and we reached some
>>> conclusions (which Arlen refuses to accept). I refuse to go over it
>>> again.
>>>
>>> Namely, that this statement of Arlen, which he repeats often:
>>>
>>> A> I will make a moral statement though, which people can choose to
>>> A> disregard, but it's based on facts, which is anyone who has
>>> A> anything in their contacts that they don't own, is being
>>> A> exceptionally rude to friends & family.
>>>
>>> is false and not accepted. He is basically saying that everybody in
>>> the world is being rude for merely using the Google Contacts app (ie,
>>> that Google has access to our contact database and uses that data). It
>>> is specially not true for people living in the EU with our data
>>> protection laws.
>>>
>>> And I refuse to argue why again.
>
> Just to clarify, in case it is not clear. I use the Google Contacts
> application, which is installed by default. I add all my friends,
> family, people I barely know, professionals, etc, to it. He assumes
> that Google treats this as public information and that they can do
> anything they wish with it. Like spamming my friends. Well, that
> simply doesn't happen. In the EU where I live that is protected
> information and Google would get a monster fine. Thus, I'm not being
> rude by storing contact information in the contact app.
>
> And other applications can not just copy the information and upload to
> their own servers and make free use of it.
>
> If you already understood, forgive my blurb :-)

I think the core point of the criticism is that, outside a few
features/constructs, like what's upcoming for Android 17, or the
protected storage already present in 15, other applications with
Contacts permission can technically do "whatever" they want, and so it'd
depend on these applications too, not just the maker of the contacts
application in use.

(Yes, it'd imply a fine and probably other penalties in any sane
jurisdiction, but the damage would be done by then.)

So yeah, it'd have to be something intentionally evil and illegal in
developed countries.

(But yeah, I think I've understood.)

>> As I've commented elsewhere in the thread: I think I understand the
>> reasoning behind this and I think I can agree to *some extent*, in the
>> same way that several years ago people joining e.g. LinkedIn would give
>> them mail addresses to spam to no end.
>>
>> But from that to "being exceptionally rude" goes a distance I'm not
>> crossing, at least not for the time being...
>>
>
> ...

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#155678 — Re: [OT] "trolling"

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-09-06 20:07 +0200
SubjectRe: [OT] "trolling"
Message-ID<8nm0nmxvbt.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#155675
On 2026-09-06 14:34, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2026-09-06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-09-06 11:17, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>> On 2026-09-04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-09-03 12:55, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-09-02, Maria Sophia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>> They are not facts, they are opinions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I posted cites & excerpts to Android documentation. Those are not opinions.
>>>>>> You may hate the result of those documents, but they're still facts.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't help but feel slightly appalled that somebody who has before
>>>>> stressed the importance of logic can't understand that something being
>>>>> written doesn't make it a fact, let alone a universally valid one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Heck, I've had manufacturer service manuals include blatantly incorrect
>>>>> information.
>>>>>
>>>>> [ /me Stares at Helwett "your Pavilion laptop has two SODIMM slots" Packard. ]
>>>>
>>>> As you are new to the group, I should add some info.
>>>
>>> Thanks!,
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I refuse to answer Arlen requests for "facts" because the single
>>>> matter that I posted about that started this browhaha was discussed
>>>> here in depth with several participants and we reached some
>>>> conclusions (which Arlen refuses to accept). I refuse to go over it
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> Namely, that this statement of Arlen, which he repeats often:
>>>>
>>>> A> I will make a moral statement though, which people can choose to
>>>> A> disregard, but it's based on facts, which is anyone who has
>>>> A> anything in their contacts that they don't own, is being
>>>> A> exceptionally rude to friends & family.
>>>>
>>>> is false and not accepted. He is basically saying that everybody in
>>>> the world is being rude for merely using the Google Contacts app (ie,
>>>> that Google has access to our contact database and uses that data). It
>>>> is specially not true for people living in the EU with our data
>>>> protection laws.
>>>>
>>>> And I refuse to argue why again.
>>
>> Just to clarify, in case it is not clear. I use the Google Contacts
>> application, which is installed by default. I add all my friends,
>> family, people I barely know, professionals, etc, to it. He assumes
>> that Google treats this as public information and that they can do
>> anything they wish with it. Like spamming my friends. Well, that
>> simply doesn't happen. In the EU where I live that is protected
>> information and Google would get a monster fine. Thus, I'm not being
>> rude by storing contact information in the contact app.
>>
>> And other applications can not just copy the information and upload to
>> their own servers and make free use of it.
>>
>> If you already understood, forgive my blurb :-)
> 
> I think the core point of the criticism is that, outside a few
> features/constructs, like what's upcoming for Android 17, or the
> protected storage already present in 15, other applications with
> Contacts permission can technically do "whatever" they want, and so it'd
> depend on these applications too, not just the maker of the contacts
> application in use.

Yes, that is so.

> 
> (Yes, it'd imply a fine and probably other penalties in any sane
> jurisdiction, but the damage would be done by then.)

Also yes.

> 
> So yeah, it'd have to be something intentionally evil and illegal in
> developed countries.
> 

Indeed.

> (But yeah, I think I've understood.)

Yep.

> 
>>> As I've commented elsewhere in the thread: I think I understand the
>>> reasoning behind this and I think I can agree to *some extent*, in the
>>> same way that several years ago people joining e.g. LinkedIn would give
>>> them mail addresses to spam to no end.
>>>
>>> But from that to "being exceptionally rude" goes a distance I'm not
>>> crossing, at least not for the time being...
>>>
>>
>> ...
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#155809 — Re: [OT] "trolling"

Frommicky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
Date2026-09-09 08:51 +0300
SubjectRe: [OT] "trolling"
Message-ID<jks1al9jgtjm4r1l5kre21u1291gtatg0p@4ax.com>
In reply to#155674
In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 6 Sep 2026 13:59:34 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2026-09-06 11:17, Nuno Silva wrote:
>> On 2026-09-04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-09-03 12:55, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>> On 2026-09-02, Maria Sophia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>> They are not facts, they are opinions
>>>>>
>>>>> I posted cites & excerpts to Android documentation. Those are not opinions.
>>>>> You may hate the result of those documents, but they're still facts.
>>>>
>>>> I can't help but feel slightly appalled that somebody who has before
>>>> stressed the importance of logic can't understand that something being
>>>> written doesn't make it a fact, let alone a universally valid one.
>>>>
>>>> Heck, I've had manufacturer service manuals include blatantly incorrect
>>>> information.
>>>>
>>>> [ /me Stares at Helwett "your Pavilion laptop has two SODIMM slots" Packard. ]
>>>
>>> As you are new to the group, I should add some info.
>> 
>> Thanks!,
>> 
>>>
>>> I refuse to answer Arlen requests for "facts" because the single
>>> matter that I posted about that started this browhaha was discussed
>>> here in depth with several participants and we reached some
>>> conclusions (which Arlen refuses to accept). I refuse to go over it
>>> again.
>>>
>>> Namely, that this statement of Arlen, which he repeats often:
>>>
>>> A> I will make a moral statement though, which people can choose to
>>> A> disregard, but it's based on facts, which is anyone who has
>>> A> anything in their contacts that they don't own, is being
>>> A> exceptionally rude to friends & family.
>>>
>>> is false and not accepted. He is basically saying that everybody in
>>> the world is being rude for merely using the Google Contacts app (ie,
>>> that Google has access to our contact database and uses that data). It
>>> is specially not true for people living in the EU with our data
>>> protection laws.
>>>
>>> And I refuse to argue why again.
>
>Just to clarify, in case it is not clear. I use the Google Contacts 
>application, which is installed by default. I add all my friends, 

If one did not use the app , it would be hard to function , would it
not?  What would have to type in every number , one would have to
memorize everybody's phone number , one would have to or one would have
to copy and paste it from some list he kept on his own . 

Yesterday for the first time when I tried to save something to contacts
my new android phone gave me a choice of contacts apps. They were both
called Contacts and their icons looked almost the same , a silhouette
from the front in blue and the only difference was that one was a
lighter shade of blue  ,. Have you encountered this? I didn't want my
contacts to be spread out over two different apps. That would really be
confusing.

>family, people I barely know, professionals, etc, to it. He assumes that 
>Google treats this as public information and that they can do anything 
>they wish with it. Like spamming my friends. Well, that simply doesn't 
>happen. In the EU where I live that is protected information and Google 
>would get a monster fine. Thus, I'm not being rude by storing contact 
>information in the contact app.

Even in the USA, I haven't noticed any of this .    
>
>And other applications can not just copy the information and upload to 
>their own servers and make free use of it.
>
>If you already understood, forgive my blurb :-)
>
>> 
>> As I've commented elsewhere in the thread: I think I understand the
>> reasoning behind this and I think I can agree to *some extent*, in the
>> same way that several years ago people joining e.g. LinkedIn would give
>> them mail addresses to spam to no end.
>> 
>> But from that to "being exceptionally rude" goes a distance I'm not
>> crossing, at least not for the time being...
>> 
>
>...

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#155816 — Re: [OT] "trolling"

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-09-09 12:49 +0200
SubjectRe: [OT] "trolling"
Message-ID<l7q7nmxdmp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#155809
On 2026-09-09 07:51, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 6 Sep 2026 13:59:34 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-09-06 11:17, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>> On 2026-09-04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-09-03 12:55, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-09-02, Maria Sophia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>> They are not facts, they are opinions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I posted cites & excerpts to Android documentation. Those are not opinions.
>>>>>> You may hate the result of those documents, but they're still facts.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't help but feel slightly appalled that somebody who has before
>>>>> stressed the importance of logic can't understand that something being
>>>>> written doesn't make it a fact, let alone a universally valid one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Heck, I've had manufacturer service manuals include blatantly incorrect
>>>>> information.
>>>>>
>>>>> [ /me Stares at Helwett "your Pavilion laptop has two SODIMM slots" Packard. ]
>>>>
>>>> As you are new to the group, I should add some info.
>>>
>>> Thanks!,
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I refuse to answer Arlen requests for "facts" because the single
>>>> matter that I posted about that started this browhaha was discussed
>>>> here in depth with several participants and we reached some
>>>> conclusions (which Arlen refuses to accept). I refuse to go over it
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> Namely, that this statement of Arlen, which he repeats often:
>>>>
>>>> A> I will make a moral statement though, which people can choose to
>>>> A> disregard, but it's based on facts, which is anyone who has
>>>> A> anything in their contacts that they don't own, is being
>>>> A> exceptionally rude to friends & family.
>>>>
>>>> is false and not accepted. He is basically saying that everybody in
>>>> the world is being rude for merely using the Google Contacts app (ie,
>>>> that Google has access to our contact database and uses that data). It
>>>> is specially not true for people living in the EU with our data
>>>> protection laws.
>>>>
>>>> And I refuse to argue why again.
>>
>> Just to clarify, in case it is not clear. I use the Google Contacts
>> application, which is installed by default. I add all my friends,
> 
> If one did not use the app , it would be hard to function , would it
> not?  What would have to type in every number , one would have to
> memorize everybody's phone number , one would have to or one would have
> to copy and paste it from some list he kept on his own .

There may be contacts apps that do not use the cloud. They probably have 
limitations in the features, too.

> 
> Yesterday for the first time when I tried to save something to contacts
> my new android phone gave me a choice of contacts apps. They were both
> called Contacts and their icons looked almost the same , a silhouette
> from the front in blue and the only difference was that one was a
> lighter shade of blue  ,. Have you encountered this? I didn't want my
> contacts to be spread out over two different apps. That would really be
> confusing.

Two?

> 
>> family, people I barely know, professionals, etc, to it. He assumes that
>> Google treats this as public information and that they can do anything
>> they wish with it. Like spamming my friends. Well, that simply doesn't
>> happen. In the EU where I live that is protected information and Google
>> would get a monster fine. Thus, I'm not being rude by storing contact
>> information in the contact app.
> 
> Even in the USA, I haven't noticed any of this .
>>
>> And other applications can not just copy the information and upload to
>> their own servers and make free use of it.
>>
>> If you already understood, forgive my blurb :-)
>>
>>>
>>> As I've commented elsewhere in the thread: I think I understand the
>>> reasoning behind this and I think I can agree to *some extent*, in the
>>> same way that several years ago people joining e.g. LinkedIn would give
>>> them mail addresses to spam to no end.
>>>
>>> But from that to "being exceptionally rude" goes a distance I'm not
>>> crossing, at least not for the time being...
>>>
>>
>> ...


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#155820 — Contacts

FromAJL <noemail@none.com>
Date2026-09-09 09:55 -0700
SubjectContacts
Message-ID<117s321$1amgb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#155809
On 9/8/2026 10:51 PM, micky wrote:

> Yesterday for the first time when I tried to save something to
> contacts my new android phone gave me a choice of contacts apps. They
> were both called Contacts and their icons looked almost the same , a
> silhouette from the front in blue and the only difference was that
> one was a lighter shade of blue  ,. Have you encountered this?

The Contacts app in my 7 year old Samsung phone is listed as a Verizon
app. When I bring up its info screen it doesn't say who makes it but
gives the version number of 13.1.30.10 if that's a clue?

> I didn't want my contacts to be spread out over two different apps.
> That would really be confusing.

On my Android tablets I've installed the Google contacts app from the
Google Play Store. It's version 4.86.23 (plus 9 more numbers) so doesn't
appear to be related to the version number of the Verizon app. But the
Google Contacts apps on my tablets all sync and work just fine with my
phone's Verizon Contacts app.

I've decided to leave well enough alone and not try to put the current
Google Contacts app on my phone as long as the installed Verizon version
keeps working. That and the fact that the 'Phone' app also claims to be
Verizon and its info screen shows the exact same version number
(13.1.30.10) as the Contact app info screen leading me to believe that
it might be wise that they be used together?

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#155831 — Re: Contacts

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-10 10:16 +0100
SubjectRe: Contacts
Message-ID<117tsi8$1rla8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#155820
On 2026-09-09, AJL wrote:

> On 9/8/2026 10:51 PM, micky wrote:
>
>> Yesterday for the first time when I tried to save something to
>> contacts my new android phone gave me a choice of contacts apps. They
>> were both called Contacts and their icons looked almost the same , a
>> silhouette from the front in blue and the only difference was that
>> one was a lighter shade of blue  ,. Have you encountered this?
>
> The Contacts app in my 7 year old Samsung phone is listed as a Verizon
> app. When I bring up its info screen it doesn't say who makes it but
> gives the version number of 13.1.30.10 if that's a clue?
>
>> I didn't want my contacts to be spread out over two different apps.
>> That would really be confusing.
>
> On my Android tablets I've installed the Google contacts app from the
> Google Play Store. It's version 4.86.23 (plus 9 more numbers) so doesn't
> appear to be related to the version number of the Verizon app. But the
> Google Contacts apps on my tablets all sync and work just fine with my
> phone's Verizon Contacts app.
>
> I've decided to leave well enough alone and not try to put the current
> Google Contacts app on my phone as long as the installed Verizon version
> keeps working. That and the fact that the 'Phone' app also claims to be
> Verizon and its info screen shows the exact same version number
> (13.1.30.10) as the Contact app info screen leading me to believe that
> it might be wise that they be used together?

I think I spotted a Motorola one on the web which used the same ID as
the Google one. So there may be a Motorola version, but then the
question is how would these get installed side-by-side, is that
possible? Exceptionally possible for "non-uninstallable" bundled
applications?

The syncing probably depends more on the sync providers. If they're all
using the Android contact storage, then I guess the app might not even
need to be involved at all?

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#155836 — Re: Contacts

FromMaria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com>
Date2026-09-10 09:30 -0700
SubjectRe: Contacts
Message-ID<117ulvv$29vm$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#155831
AJL wrote:
> On 9/8/2026 10:51 PM, micky wrote:
> 
>> Yesterday for the first time when I tried to save something to
>> contacts my new android phone gave me a choice of contacts apps. They
>> were both called Contacts and their icons looked almost the same , a
>> silhouette from the front in blue and the only difference was that
>> one was a lighter shade of blue  ,. Have you encountered this?
> 
> The Contacts app in my 7 year old Samsung phone is listed as a Verizon
> app. When I bring up its info screen it doesn't say who makes it but
> gives the version number of 13.1.30.10 if that's a clue?
> 
>> I didn't want my contacts to be spread out over two different apps.
>> That would really be confusing.
> 
> On my Android tablets I've installed the Google contacts app from the
> Google Play Store. It's version 4.86.23 (plus 9 more numbers) so doesn't
> appear to be related to the version number of the Verizon app. But the
> Google Contacts apps on my tablets all sync and work just fine with my
> phone's Verizon Contacts app.
> 
> I've decided to leave well enough alone and not try to put the current
> Google Contacts app on my phone as long as the installed Verizon version
> keeps working. That and the fact that the 'Phone' app also claims to be
> Verizon and its info screen shows the exact same version number
> (13.1.30.10) as the Contact app info screen leading me to believe that
> it might be wise that they be used together?

Hi AJL,

Like you, I don't have Google Contacts installed currently, but my phone is
a mirror of all past installations, so it was on my phone at one point.
 <https://i.postimg.cc/rydmmZZt/googlecontacts.jpg>

Given I'm always helpful to others, I went to the appreciable trouble to
screenshot & annotate the situation for the OP, mirroring your experience.

I don't see the original thread for some reason, but to answer the OP...

There are some app categories, which, by their very nature, tend to have
the exact same icon-shortcut names and even the same color/shape icons.
 <https://i.postimg.cc/5tH5pSNf/phone.jpg>

There is only 1 way to tell them apart for sure, which is the package name.
 <https://i.postimg.cc/fTKvbbr4/contacts.jpg>

As for Google Contacts, per se, it used to be installed on my phone, as we
can tell from the grayed-out icon below which points to the repository.
 <https://i.postimg.cc/rydmmZZt/googlecontacts.jpg>

When I click on that grayed out icon, it installs the app if I want it.
 <market://details?id=com.google.android.contacts>

I think everyone should have their phone set up as efficiently as mine.
-- 
On Usenet, kind-hearted experts combine their experiences to help others.

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#155837 — Re: Contacts

FromAJL <noemail@none.com>
Date2026-09-10 17:49 +0000
SubjectRe: Contacts
Message-ID<117uqil$277vs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#155836
On 9/10/26 9:30 AM, Maria Sophia wrote:
>AJL wrote:
>> On 9/8/2026 10:51 PM, micky wrote:
>> 
>>> Yesterday for the first time when I tried to save something to
>>> contacts my new android phone gave me a choice of contacts apps. They
>>> were both called Contacts and their icons looked almost the same , a
>>> silhouette from the front in blue and the only difference was that
>>> one was a lighter shade of blue  ,. Have you encountered this?
>> 
>> The Contacts app in my 7 year old Samsung phone is listed as a Verizon
>> app. When I bring up its info screen it doesn't say who makes it but
>> gives the version number of 13.1.30.10 if that's a clue?
>> 
>>> I didn't want my contacts to be spread out over two different apps.
>>> That would really be confusing.
>> 
>> On my Android tablets I've installed the Google contacts app from the
>> Google Play Store. It's version 4.86.23 (plus 9 more numbers) so doesn't
>> appear to be related to the version number of the Verizon app. But the
>> Google Contacts apps on my tablets all sync and work just fine with my
>> phone's Verizon Contacts app.
>> 
>> I've decided to leave well enough alone and not try to put the current
>> Google Contacts app on my phone as long as the installed Verizon version
>> keeps working. That and the fact that the 'Phone' app also claims to be
>> Verizon and its info screen shows the exact same version number
>> (13.1.30.10) as the Contact app info screen leading me to believe that
>> it might be wise that they be used together?
>
>Hi AJL,
>
>Like you, I don't have Google Contacts installed currently, but my phone is
>a mirror of all past installations, so it was on my phone at one point.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/rydmmZZt/googlecontacts.jpg>
>
>Given I'm always helpful to others, I went to the appreciable trouble to
>screenshot & annotate the situation for the OP, mirroring your experience.


>I don't see the original thread for some reason, but to answer the OP...

That's cause I cut micky out of the old off topic endless personal wars
 thread and made a new new one that actually has something to do with
 Android...


>There are some app categories, which, by their very nature, tend to have
>the exact same icon-shortcut names and even the same color/shape icons.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/5tH5pSNf/phone.jpg>
>
>There is only 1 way to tell them apart for sure, which is the package name.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/fTKvbbr4/contacts.jpg>
>
>As for Google Contacts, per se, it used to be installed on my phone, as we
>can tell from the grayed-out icon below which points to the repository.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/rydmmZZt/googlecontacts.jpg>
>
>When I click on that grayed out icon, it installs the app if I want it.
> <market://details?id=com.google.android.contacts>


>I think everyone should have their phone set up as efficiently as mine.

I think everyone should have a phone as old as mine...

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#155840 — Re: Contacts

FromMaria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com>
Date2026-09-10 21:33 -0700
SubjectRe: Contacts
Message-ID<11800ai$2343$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#155837
AJL wrote:
>>I don't see the original thread for some reason, but to answer the OP...
> 
> That's cause I cut micky out of the old off topic endless personal wars
>  thread and made a new new one that actually has something to do with
>  Android...

Oh, that explains it. I am dropping out of a lot of threads lately too.
Bickering is all most people "can" do since they can't add on-topic value.

Anyway, my main point in responding was that the icon isn't what's unique.
In fact, app-icon PHONE ^ CONTACTS icons are particularly commonly reused.

The two green phone icons, for example, in this screenshot, are different.
         <https://i.postimg.cc/5tH5pSNf/phone.jpg>
Even I can't tell them apart without looking at the underlying intents.

>> I think everyone should have their phone set up as efficiently as mine.
> I think everyone should have a phone as old as mine...

Mine is from 2021 so you beat me by a mile on the age of your phone. :)

As for the original topic, you've heard me extol the virtues of
Muntashirakon AM, but for others, this program tells you the package name.
      <https://muntashir.dev/AppManager/en/>

There are other ways to find out the package manager, of course, but I
think anyone who does NOT use Muntashirakon App Manager, isn't efficient. 
-- 
On Usenet, we pass along knowledge that once we had to learn ourselves.

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#155841 — Re: Contacts

FromAJL <noemail@none.com>
Date2026-09-11 06:54 +0000
SubjectRe: Contacts
Message-ID<11808jc$2looe$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#155840
On 9/10/26 9:33 PM, Maria Sophia wrote:

>my main point in responding was that the icon isn't what's unique.
>In fact, app-icon PHONE ^ CONTACTS icons are particularly commonly reused.

My Verizon and Google 'Contact' icons were very similar but still slightly
 different. My problem was to remember which was which.

>The two green phone icons, for example, in this screenshot, are different.
>         <https://i.postimg.cc/5tH5pSNf/phone.jpg>
>Even I can't tell them apart without looking at the underlying intents.

The popup on your link using my Android Chrome browser was annoying. You
 should warn folks. However when I used Firefox with the uBlock Origin
 extension no popup. I should always use that here, huh...


>As for the original topic, you've heard me extol the virtues of
>Muntashirakon AM, but for others, this program tells you the package name.
>      <https://muntashir.dev/AppManager/en/>
>
>There are other ways to find out the package manager, of course, but I
>think anyone who does NOT use Muntashirakon App Manager, isn't efficient. 

Above my pay level. But speaking of app managers I'm using my Amazon Fire
 HD10 tablet to post this and I'm surprised how easy it is to install apps
 from just about anywhere on this thing. I can sideload apps from the
 outside or from my installed sideloaded Google Play store app and the
 tablet puts them all in its Fire OS app manager and treats them just like
 as if they were from its own Amazon Appstore. And no outright refusals to
 load an outside apk like some of my other Android toys. Ease of use great.
 Security? Perhaps not so much?

BTW my Groundhog newsreader started working again on this thing. So things
 are really looking up on this toy...

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#155842 — Re: Contacts

FromMaria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com>
Date2026-09-11 01:24 -0600
SubjectRe: Contacts
Message-ID<1180abo$20vl$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#155841
AJL wrote:
>>my main point in responding was that the icon isn't what's unique.
>>In fact, app-icon PHONE ^ CONTACTS icons are particularly commonly reused.
> 
> My Verizon and Google 'Contact' icons were very similar but still slightly
>  different. My problem was to remember which was which.

Hi AJL,

Actually, IMHO, that's NOT your problem... :) 
Seriously. That's NOT your problem because there's a solution for it. :()

Your problem is identifying which is which, only once. 
 a. Because once you identify which is which, you can *change* the icon.
 b. And/or you can change what it says below the icon.

So, for example, if you have two exact same icons and names, but one is for
Verizon contacts while the other is for Google contacts, all you have to do
is change the Verizon color to, oh, say, red & the google color to, blue.

And/or, change the wording for the Verizon contacts to, oh, say Vcontacts.
And/or, change the wording for the Google contacts to, oh, say Gcontacts.


>>The two green phone icons, for example, in this screenshot, are different.
>>         <https://i.postimg.cc/5tH5pSNf/phone.jpg>
>>Even I can't tell them apart without looking at the underlying intents.
> 
> The popup on your link using my Android Chrome browser was annoying. You
>  should warn folks. However when I used Firefox with the uBlock Origin
>  extension no popup. I should always use that here, huh...

I love that you're a rare breed on Usenet who is balanced in what you say.
So I get it. You're trying to be helpful. I appreciate that helpful note.

You think I don't know it. 
And therefore, you think I need to know it.
But, trust me. I'm well aware that some people see annoying popups.

So you do know browsers, but I'm not gonna warn people 'cuz it's common
knowledge that if you don't know what you're doing, almost any web page has
annoying stuff on it. I can't fix every person's knowledge of browsers. :)

FYI: I don't see any popup but I certainly *believe* you that you saw it.
So I'm not disputing that you see annoying stuff on some browser setups.

But people who know how to use browsers don't see it. 
I can't fix stupid.  (I'm not saying *you* are stupid, as you fixed it.)

But thanks for (trying to) let me know.

>>As for the original topic, you've heard me extol the virtues of
>>Muntashirakon AM, but for others, this program tells you the package name.
>>      <https://muntashir.dev/AppManager/en/>
>>
>>There are other ways to find out the package manager, of course, but I
>>think anyone who does NOT use Muntashirakon App Manager, isn't efficient. 
> 
> Above my pay level. But speaking of app managers I'm using my Amazon Fire
>  HD10 tablet to post this and I'm surprised how easy it is to install apps
>  from just about anywhere on this thing. I can sideload apps from the
>  outside or from my installed sideloaded Google Play store app and the
>  tablet puts them all in its Fire OS app manager and treats them just like
>  as if they were from its own Amazon Appstore. And no outright refusals to
>  load an outside apk like some of my other Android toys. Ease of use great.
>  Security? Perhaps not so much?
> 
> BTW my Groundhog newsreader started working again on this thing. So things
>  are really looking up on this toy...

If your headers are correct, I see you're posting from
 User-Agent: PhoNews/3.13.4 (Android/11)

As for the Amazone tablet loading any APK, that's wonderful, as Lord knows,
Google is doing its damndest to make it harder and harder to side load.

BTW, I hate that word 'sideload' as it's just normal loading, but people
seem to use it (just as they use Gulf of Mexico even as it's recently been
renamed for the United States to Gulf of America). :)

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