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Re: Signal

From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.android
Subject Re: Signal
Date 2026-09-04 09:56 +0200
Organization Tebibyte_Retro_Gaming
Message-ID <s6aqmmxltd.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink)
References (11 earlier) <1179nm0$30urg$1@dont-email.me> <1179tj5$4df$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <oabmmmx00l.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <117a0qv$k0$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <117bjmd$3j6ut$6@dont-email.me>

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On 2026-09-03 12:55, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2026-09-02, Maria Sophia wrote:
> 
>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> They are not facts, they are opinions
>>
>> I posted cites & excerpts to Android documentation. Those are not opinions.
>> You may hate the result of those documents, but they're still facts.
> 
> I can't help but feel slightly appalled that somebody who has before
> stressed the importance of logic can't understand that something being
> written doesn't make it a fact, let alone a universally valid one.
> 
> Heck, I've had manufacturer service manuals include blatantly incorrect
> information.
> 
> [ /me Stares at Helwett "your Pavilion laptop has two SODIMM slots" Packard. ]

As you are new to the group, I should add some info.

I refuse to answer Arlen requests for "facts" because the single matter 
that I posted about that started this browhaha was discussed here in 
depth with several participants and we reached some conclusions (which 
Arlen refuses to accept). I refuse to go over it again.

Namely, that this statement of Arlen, which he repeats often:

A> I will make a moral statement though, which people can choose to 
disregard,
A> but it's based on facts, which is anyone who has anything in their 
contacts
A> that they don't own, is being exceptionally rude to friends & family.

is false and not accepted. He is basically saying that everybody in the 
world is being rude for merely using the Google Contacts app (ie, that 
Google has access to our contact database and uses that data). It is 
specially not true for people living in the EU with our data protection 
laws.

And I refuse to argue why again.

Saying this sends Arlen into a fit; has happened before. Arlen (aka 
Maria (he is a name shifter)) has a trait of calling troll or fool 
anybody that contradicts him and doesn't accept his "facts" as facts. 
And you have witnessed this. Welcome to the group (or sorry about it if 
you prefer) :-)


Where this we discuss this? Long ago, I did not keep pointers to every 
conversation, maybe I should have kept this one. Perhaps this thread:

Subject: Texting annoyance
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 10:13:23 +0100
From: db <...@gmail.com>
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
Message-ID: <uog2rj$3jso4$1@dont-email.me>

He used a different alias back then. Actually more than one in this 
single thread. He even accused me of being a racist towards him, out of 
the blue!

He is indeed a character. I try not to ignite him, but he ignited me by 
calling my, and millions, rude.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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How does whatsapp work? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-31 09:01 -0400
  Re: How does whatsapp work? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-31 09:20 -0600
    Re: How does whatsapp work? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-01 00:51 -0400
  Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-31 20:37 +0200
    Re: How does whatsapp work? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-01 01:01 -0400
      Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 09:44 +0200
    Re: How does whatsapp work? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:47 +0200
      Signal (was: Re: How does whatsapp work?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:21 +0100
        Re: Signal (was: Re: How does whatsapp work?) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-01 16:30 +0200
          Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 19:15 +0200
            Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 19:32 +0200
              Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 21:25 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 21:26 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 21:53 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:20 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:10 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:37 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:23 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:36 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:31 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:32 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:40 +0530
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:24 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 11:39 +0845
                [OT/Meta] Trolling (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:37 +0100
                Re: [OT/Meta] Trolling Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 03:43 +0930
                Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:28 +0100
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 02:31 +0930
                [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:18 +0100
                Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:10 +0200
                Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:25 +0200
                Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:28 +0200
                Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:33 +0200
                Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:41 +0530
                Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:25 +0200
                Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 11:35 +0845
                Re: [OT] "trolling" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 20:07 +0000
                Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-10 09:27 +0200
                Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:24 +0200
                Re: [OT] "trolling" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-02 18:56 +0000
                Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:18 +0200
                Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:38 +0200
                Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:27 +0200
                Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:33 +0200
                Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 05:58 +0845
                Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:25 +0200
                Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 11:36 +0845
            Re: Signal Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-01 18:59 +0100
              Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 21:18 +0200
            Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:11 +0100
              Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:18 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:28 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:25 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:38 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:32 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:00 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:39 +0530
        Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 19:05 +0200
          Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 19:13 +0200
            Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 20:52 +0200
              Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 21:27 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 21:50 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:20 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:11 +0200
                Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 18:50 +0100
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:30 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:34 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:51 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:34 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:00 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 06:00 +0845
                Re: Signal Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-03 09:42 +0100
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 03:13 +0930
                [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-04 13:12 +0100
                Re: [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-08 21:04 +0300
                Re: [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-09-08 19:32 +0000
                Re: [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-09 08:21 +0300
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:31 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:51 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:27 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:34 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:37 +0530
                Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:55 +0100
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 02:44 +0930
                [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-04 12:39 +0100
                Re: Signal micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-09 08:44 +0300
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-04 09:56 +0200
                [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 10:17 +0100
                Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-06 13:59 +0200
                Re: [OT] "trolling" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 13:34 +0100
                Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-06 20:07 +0200
                Re: [OT] "trolling" micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-09 08:51 +0300
                Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-09 12:49 +0200
                Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-09 09:55 -0700
                Re: Contacts Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 10:16 +0100
                Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-10 09:30 -0700
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-10 17:49 +0000
                Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-10 21:33 -0700
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-11 06:54 +0000
                Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-11 01:24 -0600
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-11 11:09 -0700
                Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-11 18:23 +0000
                Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-11 12:56 -0600
                Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-11 19:37 +0000
                Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-11 12:46 -0600
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-11 12:48 -0700
                Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-11 21:59 -0230
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-11 19:12 -0700
                Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-12 01:31 -0100
                Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-12 13:00 +0000
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 08:32 -0700
                Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-12 17:31 +0000
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 13:05 -0700
                Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-12 18:00 +0000
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 13:05 -0700
                Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-17 13:33 +0300
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-17 12:30 +0000
                Re: Contacts Siard <saylor259@mailbox.org> - 2026-09-17 15:12 +0200
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-17 16:12 +0000
                Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-17 18:48 +0200
                Re: Contacts Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-09-18 10:04 +0200
                Re: Contacts Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-09-18 10:00 +0200
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-18 10:58 -0700
                Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 +0300
                Re: Contacts Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 00:30 +0100
                Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-12 21:58 +0300
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 13:16 -0700
                Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-13 05:06 +0300
                Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-13 05:15 +0300
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 20:40 -0700
                Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-13 11:22 +0545
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-13 06:05 -0700
                Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-13 06:54 -1000
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-13 14:17 -0700
                Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-15 00:50 +0000
                Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-13 19:02 +0000
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-13 14:17 -0700
                Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-14 21:56 -0300
                Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-20 00:15 -0700
                Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-23 21:02 +0300
                Application identification on Motorola Android (was: Re: Contacts) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 08:11 +0100
                Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:12 +0100
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:26 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:40 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:35 +0530
                Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 00:03 +0100
                Re: Signal Nuno Silva <user17785@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-03 01:00 +0000
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 02:47 +0930
                [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:49 +0100
                Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 03:38 +0930
                Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-04 09:26 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:29 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:33 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:51 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:35 +0200
                Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:00 +0200
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:36 +0530
              Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:24 +0100
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:30 +0200
                Re: Signal Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-03 09:29 +0100
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 03:04 +0930
                Re: Signal Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-03 18:46 +0100
                Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 04:22 +0930
          Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 19:20 +0200
      Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 17:03 +0200
        Re: How does whatsapp work? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:56 +0200
          Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:04 +0200
            Re: How does whatsapp work? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-04 21:15 +0200
              Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-05 14:14 +0200
                Re: How does whatsapp work? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-05 18:03 +0200
    Re: How does whatsapp work? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-01 14:37 +0000
      Re: How does whatsapp work? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-09 09:07 +0300
        Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-09 12:53 +0200

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