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  Late incoming SMSes don't use original sent dates and times? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2017-01-08 01:40 -0600
    Re: Late incoming SMSes don't use original sent dates and times? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2017-01-08 14:59 -0600
      Re: Late incoming SMSes don't use original sent dates and times? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2017-01-09 15:19 +0200
        Re: Late incoming SMSes don't use original sent dates and times? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2017-01-09 12:48 -0600
          Re: Late incoming SMSes don't use original sent dates and times? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2017-01-18 17:20 +0200

#37549 — Late incoming SMSes don't use original sent dates and times?

Hello.

I have a client who came back from his Japan trip earlier today and was 
offline with his Android smartphone for a couple weeks. He said he got 
all my iPhone 4S' messages today, but noticed they were dated today 
instead of the original dates I sent them. Is this normal? We're both 
using Verizon Wireless.

Thank you in advance. :)
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#37566

Ant wrote:

> I have a client who came back from his Japan trip earlier today and was 
> offline with his Android smartphone for a couple weeks. He said he got 
> all my iPhone 4S' messages today, but noticed they were dated today 
> instead of the original dates I sent them. Is this normal? We're both 
> using Verizon Wireless.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.zweng.smssenttimefix&hl=en

Read the product description to see what Google fucked up in 4.4+.
Seems users only see the received time instead of the sent time.  I'm
using Android 4.4.4 so there is no App Ops settings page.  

https://hiya.com/faq/android
Expand "Why can't I block messages?"

Looks like Google just cannot restrain themself from screwing up
SMS-related features in their Android OS.  So I'm not surprised that
they show only the received time for a text instead of or omit the sent
time.

<rant>
  I use HiYa (aka Whitepages Caller ID) which helps to block spam/scam   
  calls.  A similar app is TrueCaller but I dislike that one because not 
  only is it adware but it is was specifically designed to be 3rd party 
  adware (advertizers can pay TrueCaller to have their ads displayed in 
  that app); see https://www.truecaller.com/ads.  You can't even buy a 
  license to the app to get rid of the ads because they know they won't  
  make much, have to do too much management, and monetizing their app by 
  using ads is easier and more profitable.  Alas, monetizing of apps is 
  pandemic at the Google Play store.  Tough to find ad-free free apps 
  there.  Both [used to] advertize that they can block spam texts.  
  Well, not after Android 4.3 due to Google's changes.  I'd have to use 
  a different SMS client to use its own features regarding spam 
  filtering.
</rant>
  
Rather than use another app, as mentioned in the first link, a possible
cause of the problem is explained at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwmtelHmhSc

I rarely text and typically it is a very short 1 or 2 message
conversation.  As a consequence, I have not noticed the out-of-order
text threading or even bothered to notice the timestamp on them.
However, I *do* have the automatic date and time setting enabled.  I
don't remember changing that when I got the phone so it might be the
default setting on mine (Samsung Galaxy Core Prime); however, I did so
much tweaking when I got the phone that it was probably a setting that
made sense to me to enable.

Also, I don't use the SMS app bundled in Android.  Instead I use
Google's Hangout app for both texts (Hangouts steals away the SMS
functions so the standard SMS app is void) and also for wi-fi phone
calls (after installing the companion Hangouts Dialer app and because I
already had a Google Voice account).  I don't have any texts still
listed in Hangouts (I clear out the garbage pretty quick on my phone) so
I cannot check right now but I've just read that if you long-tap a text
that a details pane shows up.  The details will show both the sent and
received times for a text.  So using an SMS app other than the standard
one might give you more details about a text.

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#37589

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> writes:

> Ant wrote:
>
>> I have a client who came back from his Japan trip earlier today and was 
>> offline with his Android smartphone for a couple weeks. He said he got 
>> all my iPhone 4S' messages today, but noticed they were dated today 
>> instead of the original dates I sent them. Is this normal? We're both 
>> using Verizon Wireless.
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.zweng.smssenttimefix&hl=en
>
> Read the product description to see what Google fucked up in 4.4+.
> Seems users only see the received time instead of the sent time.  I'm
> using Android 4.4.4 so there is no App Ops settings page.  

I remember using that SMS Sent Time app in the old days, worked fine
then but no more. I guess an SMS app with built in support could fix
this and I vaguely remember trying to propose it some devs with no
success. Today I use Pulse but I don't remember if there was anything
wrong with the stock one on HTC 10. I do like the developer and use his
Twitter client Talon as well.

Thankfully this date mess in SMS messages is mostly not an issue for me
these days but stupid nevertheless.

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#37600

Anssi Saari wrote:

> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> writes:
> 
>> Ant wrote:
>>
>>> I have a client who came back from his Japan trip earlier today and was 
>>> offline with his Android smartphone for a couple weeks. He said he got 
>>> all my iPhone 4S' messages today, but noticed they were dated today 
>>> instead of the original dates I sent them. Is this normal? We're both 
>>> using Verizon Wireless.
>>
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.zweng.smssenttimefix&hl=en
>>
>> Read the product description to see what Google fucked up in 4.4+.
>> Seems users only see the received time instead of the sent time.  I'm
>> using Android 4.4.4 so there is no App Ops settings page.  
> 
> I remember using that SMS Sent Time app in the old days, worked fine
> then but no more. I guess an SMS app with built in support could fix
> this and I vaguely remember trying to propose it some devs with no
> success. Today I use Pulse but I don't remember if there was anything
> wrong with the stock one on HTC 10. I do like the developer and use his
> Twitter client Talon as well.
> 
> Thankfully this date mess in SMS messages is mostly not an issue for me
> these days but stupid nevertheless.

That's why I mentioned moving to a different SMS client (I mentioned
Hangouts but there are others) that provides both the sent and received
times of a text; i.e., use a client to bring back functions built
intrinsic to itself that Google took away from its OS.  Additionally,
the fix may be nothing more than enabling the auto time & date setting
in the OS.  Worth a try before installing software to compensate for
something Google took away in its OS.

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#37813

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> writes:

> That's why I mentioned moving to a different SMS client (I mentioned
> Hangouts but there are others) that provides both the sent and received
> times of a text; i.e., use a client to bring back functions built
> intrinsic to itself that Google took away from its OS.

Thanks. I'm not a fan of Hangouts, do you know of any others that have
fixed this? I checked Pulse, someone had actually already proposed
fixing this but the developer feels it's not a priority. Oh well.

> Additionally, the fix may be nothing more than enabling the auto time
> & date setting in the OS.  Worth a try before installing software to
> compensate for something Google took away in its OS.

I always have that on so no help there. There are even patches on the
net for this issue and the problem really seems to be that Google's code
explicitly gets current time from the OS and stores that. Presumably
most SMS apps are based on that code too since it's free.

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