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#34005 — What determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms have ads and some don't?

From	Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date	2016-09-08 00:59 +0000
Subject	What determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms have ads and some don't?
Message-ID	<nqqd50$j2u$1@news.mixmin.net>

What determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms have ads and some 
don't?

I have multiple platforms and multiple ways of playing youtube videos, but, 
I've noticed some platforms and some apps nearly always play an initial 
skippable ad, while others *never* play ads.

What is it that determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms have 
ads and some don't?

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#34006

From	John Doe <always.look@message.header>
Date	2016-09-08 01:59 +0000
Message-ID	<nqqglm$kv6$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#34005

Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote: 

> What is it that determines the fact that some youtube
> apps/platforms have ads and some don't? 

Adblock.

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#34015

From	Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date	2016-09-08 02:41 +0000
Message-ID	<nqqj3u$vsq$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#34006

On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 01:59:18 -0000 (UTC), John Doe wrote:

>> What is it that determines the fact that some youtube
>> apps/platforms have ads and some don't? 
> 
> Adblock.

While that might work for the in-video ads that show up on Youtube videos,
it can't be the reason I'm not seeing *any* ads on some platforms but I am
seeing ads all the time on other platforms since I don't use Adblock.

Do you know what determines when youtube will show an ad and when they
won't show an ad inside the video?

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#34027

From	John Doe <always.look@message.header>
Date	2016-09-08 08:47 +0000
Message-ID	<nqr8jo$hs4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#34015

Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote: 

> John Doe wrote: 
> 
>>> What is it that determines the fact that some youtube 
>>> apps/platforms have ads and some don't? 
>> 
>> Adblock. 
> 
> While that might work for the in-video ads that show up on 
> Youtube videos, it can't be the reason I'm not seeing *any* 
> ads on some platforms but I am seeing ads all the time on 
> other platforms since I don't use Adblock. 
> 
> Do you know what determines when youtube will show an ad 
> and when they won't show an ad inside the video? 

It depends on whether the channel owner has chosen to promote 
ads or not. Why does it matter? You either do something about
it or you accept it.

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#34029

From	Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date	2016-09-08 10:40 +0000
Message-ID	<nqrf7h$ho9$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#34027

On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 08:47:52 -0000 (UTC), John Doe wrote:

> It depends on whether the channel owner has chosen to promote 
> ads or not. 

I haven't done a formal assessment, but, it seems on some entire platforms, 
I never get ads while on others, I constantly get ads. 

It's a bit complex because I watch youtube videos 4 ways on 4 platforms:
1. A current youtube app
2. An older youtube app
3. A web browser
4. A youtube-app replacement

On the four platforms:
a. Windows
b. Linux
c. Android
d. iOS

Some platforms never show ads; others constantly show ads.

Why?

> Why does it matter? 

Because the goal is to eliminate youtube ads which I, somehow, accidentally 
did on some platforms, apparently.

> You either do something about it or you accept it.

You never "just accept it" on anything.
In order to "do something about it", you have to first understand it.

I think I "accidentally" did something about it because some platforms 
never get ads.

Maybe because on some platforms I am on the older youtube app?

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#34030

From	John Doe <always.look@message.header>
Date	2016-09-08 11:12 +0000
Message-ID	<nqrh27$bmj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#34029

You sound dizzy to me. There might be some difference in the
way YouTube implements advertising through its mobile
application. But if you want to get rid of the ads, use
Adblock like everybody else does. 
 

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> 
> On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 08:47:52 -0000 (UTC), John Doe wrote:
> 
>> It depends on whether the channel owner has chosen to promote 
>> ads or not. 
> 
> I haven't done a formal assessment, but, it seems on some entire platforms, 
> I never get ads while on others, I constantly get ads. 
> 
> It's a bit complex because I watch youtube videos 4 ways on 4 platforms:
> 1. A current youtube app
> 2. An older youtube app
> 3. A web browser
> 4. A youtube-app replacement
> 
> On the four platforms:
> a. Windows
> b. Linux
> c. Android
> d. iOS
> 
> Some platforms never show ads; others constantly show ads.
> 
> Why?
> 
>> Why does it matter? 
> 
> Because the goal is to eliminate youtube ads which I, somehow, accidentally 
> did on some platforms, apparently.
> 
>> You either do something about it or you accept it.
> 
> You never "just accept it" on anything.
> In order to "do something about it", you have to first understand it.
> 
> I think I "accidentally" did something about it because some platforms 
> never get ads.
> 
> Maybe because on some platforms I am on the older youtube app?
> 
>

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#34034

From	mick <nospam@junk.mail>
Date	2016-09-08 17:18 +0100
Message-ID	<mn.440e7e0910274598.90097@junk.mail>
In reply to	#34029

On 08/09/2016 11:40:50, Horace Algier wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 08:47:52 -0000 (UTC), John Doe wrote:
>
>> It depends on whether the channel owner has chosen to promote 
>> ads or not. 
>
> I haven't done a formal assessment, but, it seems on some entire platforms, 
> I never get ads while on others, I constantly get ads. 
>
> It's a bit complex because I watch youtube videos 4 ways on 4 platforms:
> 1. A current youtube app
> 2. An older youtube app
> 3. A web browser
> 4. A youtube-app replacement
>
> On the four platforms:
> a. Windows
> b. Linux
> c. Android
> d. iOS
>
> Some platforms never show ads; others constantly show ads.
>
> Why?

let me guess,
windows and android, lots of ads
linux and iOS not so many

windows, chrome browser
linux, firefox
Android, chrome
iOS safari

-- 
mick

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#34036

From	Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date	2016-09-08 23:13 +0000
Message-ID	<nqsraj$mdt$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#34034

On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 17:18:17 +0100, mick wrote:

> let me guess,
> windows and android, lots of ads
> linux and iOS not so many

It doesn't matter for this question which one platform seems to have all
the ads because I haven't ironed out what's going on, but it's the opposite
of what you guessed above.

Android doesn't seem to have any ads - but I use a non-youtube youtube
look-alike app called New Pipe on Android (so maybe NewPipe removes the
ads?)

Linux and Windows use the famous MVP Hosts file, which seems to stop *all*
bad things whether they're in the browser or anywhere and whether they're
pop ups or ads or whatever. 

http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm

The mobile devices aren't rooted so I can't add the hosts file to them,
otherwise that would be the solution since the MVP hosts file is too good
not to use.

> windows, chrome browser
> linux, firefox
> Android, chrome
> iOS safari

In general, I only use a browser for Youtube when I want to play just the
audio with the screen off.

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#34273

From	tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
Date	2016-09-15 22:05 -0400
Message-ID	<1q1vapxituzz1.l25seomd0jcy$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to	#34029

On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 10:40:50 -0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote:

> You never "just accept it" on anything.
> In order to "do something about it", you have to first understand it.
> 
> I think I "accidentally" did something about it because some platforms 
> never get ads.

You seem to be quite ready to "just accept" that you "'accidentally' did
something about it ..." ; but , as you say, "In order to 'do something
about it', you have to first understand" what it was you accidentally did.

 :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#34041

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2016-09-09 14:13 +1200
Message-ID	<1mtbbd7.1yjc9ed1xurnmqN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#34006

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

> Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote: 
> 
> > What is it that determines the fact that some youtube
> > apps/platforms have ads and some don't? 
> 
> Adblock. 

I'd have thought a 'power user' could figure simple stuff like this out.
But I guess if opening YouTube URLs in mobile Safari and playing YouTube
video with the screen off in iOS is beyond him, then this would be light
years ahead of his abilities :-D

-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#34051

From	"Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
Date	2016-09-09 08:25 -0400
Message-ID	<nqu9pl$4c0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#34041

"Jamie Kahn Genet" wrote

| > Adblock.
|
| I'd have thought a 'power user' could figure simple stuff like this out.

  He's not asking how to block the ads. He's wondering
why they vary. It seems an interesting question to me,
but I don't have anything other than Windows computers,
and I only see what I can download with Download Helper,
so I don't know anything about Youtube ad injection,
addition, or whatever it is they're doing. I've never seen
such ads.

   I have noticed that some videos can't be downloaded
with Download Helper, which raises a vague error along
the lines of "it may be protected content". I wonder
how that works. It's all protected content insofar as
Google/Youtube put a lot of work into obfuscating the
file source. But they're all still downloaded files, so I
don't understand why DH can't get around some obstacles
but can get around others.
   It seems to me the "artists" would be better served
adding the ads to the video itself and then allowing
direct download. Then again, maybe that's already the
case. I don't follow Taylor Swift so I don't know whether
her videos show her drinking Coke(R) or using Clearasil(R). :)

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#34055

From	Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date	2016-09-09 17:01 +0000
Message-ID	<nquptt$koa$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#34051

On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 08:25:27 -0400, Mayayana wrote:

>  He's not asking how to block the ads. He's wondering
> why they vary. 

Don't worry about Jamie's question as I simply ignored it since he never 
understands the point. All he can do is try to insult like a fifth grader.

The point *should* have been obvious to anyone who made it past sixth grade 
though, give that the SUBJECT line is:
 "What determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms have ads".

Even if the SUBJECT line didn't clue people who suggestd Adblock in that 
the question was WHAT/WHY/HOW, the OP stated in the first *and* last 
sentence: 
 "What determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms have ads?"

If those clues weren't enough for people like Jamie and the other clueless 
folks who suggested Adblock as the answer to the question, my next post to 
John Doe ended with:
 "Do you know what determines when youtube will show an ad and when they
won't show an ad inside the video?"

All John Doe could must was "why do you care?", which is a valid question, 
so I answered it, but also went back to the question by asking again:
 "Some platforms never show ads; others constantly show ads. Why?"

Mick then made a guess which platform had the most ads (which is OK to do 
but it wasn't the point) so I responded with:
 "It doesn't matter for this question which one platform seems to have 
  all the ads because I haven't ironed out what's going on yet"

Even after all that, the clueless moron Jamie chimes in that even a power 
user such as he apparently is, can use Adblock, which was never the point 
in the first place.

I don't expect anything from someone who suggests Adblock as the answer to 
the question of where the ads are coming from, nor from someone who says 
the ads are coming from the youtube channel - given the fact that the ads 
are NOT on some platforms and methods while the ads are filled to the brim 
on other platforms and ads.

So there's *something* interesting going on with how the ads get shoved 
onto our screens, but the data is incomplete.

Does *anyone* on these three newsgroups know *how*, given the same video, 
the ad makes it to some platforms/app combinations, but not to others?

Anyone?

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#34062

From	Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
Date	2016-09-09 16:06 -0400
Message-ID	<4DEAz.3287$EM1.3046@fx37.iad>
In reply to	#34055

On 2016-09-09 13:01, Horace Algier wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 08:25:27 -0400, Mayayana wrote:
>
>>   He's not asking how to block the ads. He's wondering
>> why they vary.
>
> Don't worry about Jamie's question as I simply ignored it since he never
> understands the point. All he can do is try to insult like a fifth grader.
>
> The point *should* have been obvious to anyone who made it past sixth grade
> though, give that the SUBJECT line is:
>   "What determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms have ads".
>
> Even if the SUBJECT line didn't clue people who suggestd Adblock in that
> the question was WHAT/WHY/HOW, the OP stated in the first *and* last
> sentence:
>   "What determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms have ads?"
>
> If those clues weren't enough for people like Jamie and the other clueless
> folks who suggested Adblock as the answer to the question, my next post to
> John Doe ended with:
>   "Do you know what determines when youtube will show an ad and when they
> won't show an ad inside the video?"
>
> All John Doe could must was "why do you care?", which is a valid question,
> so I answered it, but also went back to the question by asking again:
>   "Some platforms never show ads; others constantly show ads. Why?"
>
> Mick then made a guess which platform had the most ads (which is OK to do
> but it wasn't the point) so I responded with:
>   "It doesn't matter for this question which one platform seems to have
>    all the ads because I haven't ironed out what's going on yet"
>
> Even after all that, the clueless moron Jamie chimes in that even a power
> user such as he apparently is, can use Adblock, which was never the point
> in the first place.
>
> I don't expect anything from someone who suggests Adblock as the answer to
> the question of where the ads are coming from, nor from someone who says
> the ads are coming from the youtube channel - given the fact that the ads
> are NOT on some platforms and methods while the ads are filled to the brim
> on other platforms and ads.
>
> So there's *something* interesting going on with how the ads get shoved
> onto our screens, but the data is incomplete.
>
> Does *anyone* on these three newsgroups know *how*, given the same video,
> the ad makes it to some platforms/app combinations, but not to others?
>
> Anyone?

My guess: it's in the browsers, how they are implemented for different 
platforms, different on different platforms. Eg, on my smartphone, 
there's a built-in browser named "Internet" (of course, what else? :-) 
), and I see ads on it that I never see on Firefox on this Win 8.1 machine.

Of course, that isn't an answer, but IMO it's where one should start 
looking for one.

Have a good day,

-- 
Best,
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.ca

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#34065

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2016-09-10 10:46 +1200
Message-ID	<1mtcwih.14as51nipx2liN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#34062

Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> On 2016-09-09 13:01, Horace Algier wrote:
> > On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 08:25:27 -0400, Mayayana wrote:
> >
> >>   He's not asking how to block the ads. He's wondering
> >> why they vary.
> >
> > Don't worry about Jamie's question as I simply ignored it since he never
> > understands the point. All he can do is try to insult like a fifth grader.
> >
> > The point *should* have been obvious to anyone who made it past sixth grade
> > though, give that the SUBJECT line is:
> >   "What determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms have ads".

Still haven't used your 'power user' level skills to work it out, eh
troll? :-) And I never mentioned ad block, but I suppose following the
conversation isn't a 'power user' skill, so you didn't bother ;-)

-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#34066

From	M.L. <me@privacy.invalid>
Date	2016-09-09 18:53 -0500
Message-ID	<5ki6tbprcfojdrhmeo84flc8d2pqh13cs0@4ax.com>
In reply to	#34062


>> Does *anyone* on these three newsgroups know *how*, given the same video,
>> the ad makes it to some platforms/app combinations, but not to others?

>My guess: it's in the browsers, how they are implemented for different 
>platforms, different on different platforms. Eg, on my smartphone, 
>there's a built-in browser named "Internet" (of course, what else? :-) 
>), and I see ads on it that I never see on Firefox on this Win 8.1 machine.

Internet Explorer is entirely capable of blocking YouTube ads with the
appropriate help such as AdBlock and HOSTS file.

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#34075

From	Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date	2016-09-10 03:38 +0000
Message-ID	<nqvv73$rjn$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#34066

On Fri, 09 Sep 2016 18:53:28 -0500, M.L. wrote:

> Internet Explorer is entirely capable of blocking YouTube ads with the
> appropriate help such as AdBlock and HOSTS file.

While I use the MVP hosts file on both Windows and Linux, that still
doesn't explain *where* or *how* the ads get displayed.

On Windows and Linux, I don't think there is a youtube app, per se (is
there?) so it's a browser who is displaying the ads, and even then, it's
likely the HTML5 interpretation engine specifically.

Just saying "adblock" doesn't answer the question in the least.

How does the ad differ from the content?

Specifically, how does the browser know what an ad is, versus what content
is?

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#34143

From	Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date	2016-09-12 10:27 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnntd0l8.mg7.dan@xps-linux.djph.net>
In reply to	#34075

Horace Algier wrote:
> [snip]
> How does the ad differ from the content?

(NOTE - setting followup to the group I frequent.)

Generally, it's another video spliced "before" the actual content, or
into the middle of the content stream. 

While it may not be entirely related to the ad itself, you can kind of
tell where YT (or the uploader) chose to put ads, because they'll show
as a different color in the slider bar of the video (IIRC, content is
white for "buffered" / red for "played", and ads are yellow).  Just
mentioning this, as at least with slower devices, you usually get a
"break" in the stream as the computer (or other device) loads the new
video from memory.

> Specifically, how does the browser know what an ad is, versus what content
> is?

likely the "ad" videos have something that shows they're an ad (e.g.
from googleadservices.com, or similar "known ad site").  However, since
adblock / ublock is sufficiently skilled at detecting them, I haven't
bothered with looking into it any deeper than that.

-- 
|_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947
|_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert
|O|O|O|

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#34181

From	Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Date	2016-09-13 16:06 +0000
Message-ID	<nr986v$15e$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#34143

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 10:27:32 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:

>> How does the ad differ from the content?
> 
> (NOTE - setting followup to the group I frequent.)
> 
> Generally, it's another video spliced "before" the actual content, or
> into the middle of the content stream. 
> 
> While it may not be entirely related to the ad itself, you can kind of
> tell where YT (or the uploader) chose to put ads, because they'll show
> as a different color in the slider bar of the video (IIRC, content is
> white for "buffered" / red for "played", and ads are yellow).  Just
> mentioning this, as at least with slower devices, you usually get a
> "break" in the stream as the computer (or other device) loads the new
> video from memory.
> 
>> Specifically, how does the browser know what an ad is, versus what content
>> is?
> 
> likely the "ad" videos have something that shows they're an ad (e.g.
> from googleadservices.com, or similar "known ad site").  However, since
> adblock / ublock is sufficiently skilled at detecting them, I haven't
> bothered with looking into it any deeper than that.

Thanks Dan for giving the *most complete* answer yet of *how* the Youtube
ads get to the user.

I have only one more datapoint, which is that I accidentally updated one of
my two iPads, and the kids *hate* the update!

I asked them why, over the past few days, they were using the *other* iPad,
and they said *I ruined it*.

Looking at what they meant, they told me the *latest* Youtube app gives
*two* ads in *every* video they watch!

The old iPad (which is of the same vintage but with an older OS) only gives
skippable ads once in a while.

So, the moral here, as always, is *never* update unless you have a way of
getting back to the *older* software.

In this case, since it's iOS, you're doomed if you update.

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#34185

From	ElfinArc <elfinarc6@gmail.com>
Date	2016-09-13 11:53 -0500
Message-ID	<526298929.495478385.005622.elfinarc6-gmail.com@news.individual.net>
In reply to	#34181

Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 10:27:32 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:
> 
>>> How does the ad differ from the content?
>> 
>> (NOTE - setting followup to the group I frequent.)
>> 
>> Generally, it's another video spliced "before" the actual content, or
>> into the middle of the content stream. 
>> 
>> While it may not be entirely related to the ad itself, you can kind of
>> tell where YT (or the uploader) chose to put ads, because they'll show
>> as a different color in the slider bar of the video (IIRC, content is
>> white for "buffered" / red for "played", and ads are yellow).  Just
>> mentioning this, as at least with slower devices, you usually get a
>> "break" in the stream as the computer (or other device) loads the new
>> video from memory.
>> 
>>> Specifically, how does the browser know what an ad is, versus what content
>>> is?
>> 
>> likely the "ad" videos have something that shows they're an ad (e.g.
>> from googleadservices.com, or similar "known ad site").  However, since
>> adblock / ublock is sufficiently skilled at detecting them, I haven't
>> bothered with looking into it any deeper than that.
> 
> Thanks Dan for giving the *most complete* answer yet of *how* the Youtube
> ads get to the user.
> 
> I have only one more datapoint, which is that I accidentally updated one of
> my two iPads, and the kids *hate* the update!
> 
> I asked them why, over the past few days, they were using the *other* iPad,
> and they said *I ruined it*.
> 
> Looking at what they meant, they told me the *latest* Youtube app gives
> *two* ads in *every* video they watch!
> 
> The old iPad (which is of the same vintage but with an older OS) only gives
> skippable ads once in a while.
> 
> So, the moral here, as always, is *never* update unless you have a way of
> getting back to the *older* software.
> 
> In this case, since it's iOS, you're doomed if you update.
> 

That is very true for the truly stupid of the world.  It is quite simple to
go back a version

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From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2016-09-13 16:56 +0000
Message-ID	<e3qpe2Ff92qU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#34181

Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote:
> 
> I accidentally updated one of
> my two iPads, and the kids *hate* the update!

Sure, sure, "accidentally". There's no way to "accidentally" install an iOS
system update. You're lying through your teeth if that's what you are
saying.

> I asked them why, over the past few days, they were using the *other* iPad,
> and they said *I ruined it*.
> 
> Looking at what they meant, they told me the *latest* Youtube app gives
> *two* ads in *every* video they watch!

YouTube ads have nothing to do with updating iOS itself, and everything to
do with updating the YouTube app. More likely your "accident" involved
"accidentally" updating the YouTube app by tapping a button to install the
update, which I suspect wasn't actually an "accident" since you have been
discussing YouTube ads for weeks here, and probably updated it in the
process of testing things out. The word you probably meant to use is
"mistakenly".  : )

> The old iPad (which is of the same vintage but with an older OS) only gives
> skippable ads once in a while.
>
> So, the moral here, as always, is *never* update unless you have a way of
> getting back to the *older* software.
> 
> In this case, since it's iOS, you're doomed if you update.

Stop lying. You've been told that you can easily back up iOS apps and
reinstall old versions through iTunes on several occasions. Many of us keep
backups of every app version we get for this purpose. I'm running apps that
aren't even available on the App Store today because of it. 

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