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| Started by | Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> |
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| First post | 2021-01-07 19:25 +0000 |
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WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-07 19:25 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-07 19:32 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-10 14:18 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2021-01-11 21:47 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-11 19:25 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-12 01:48 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-12 02:31 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-01-12 17:02 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-12 14:32 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-12 22:03 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-01-13 10:26 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-13 16:12 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-12 20:07 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-12 22:06 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-01-12 16:12 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-13 15:02 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-12 19:49 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-13 14:06 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-13 10:29 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-13 16:08 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-13 12:37 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-13 19:52 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2021-01-13 18:11 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 16:20 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-14 17:27 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 23:48 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 16:18 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 03:36 +1100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 21:22 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2021-01-14 09:41 -0800
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-14 14:33 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-14 20:16 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-14 15:43 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 23:09 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 22:54 -0800
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 19:26 +1100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-15 09:33 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 18:32 -0800
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-16 09:56 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-01-15 09:32 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 23:20 -0800
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 13:24 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-15 15:41 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 21:30 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-14 20:37 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-14 17:14 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-01-14 13:22 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 21:34 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-13 09:44 -0700
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-13 12:42 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-13 13:49 -0700
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2021-01-13 12:52 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-13 02:36 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-13 16:16 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-12 01:36 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@gmailCAPITALS.com.INVALID> - 2021-01-12 08:48 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-12 15:38 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@gmailCAPITALS.com.INVALID> - 2021-01-14 21:12 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-01-12 16:57 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-12 22:08 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-13 02:36 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-01-13 22:41 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-13 13:44 -0800
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2021-01-13 22:38 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 02:51 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Savageduck <savageduck1@removespam.me.com> - 2021-01-13 20:31 -0600
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> - 2021-01-14 08:06 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 15:35 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-14 14:51 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 14:33 +1100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 14:34 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 03:29 +1100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 22:59 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-14 16:43 -0800
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-15 03:33 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-15 16:03 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2021-01-16 05:55 +1100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 13:28 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 14:51 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-14 15:16 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 19:56 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2021-01-14 13:55 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-14 15:12 +0000
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2021-01-14 16:29 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-14 17:26 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-14 23:38 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2021-01-14 20:22 -0500
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-15 03:38 +0100
Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using the app "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2021-01-13 22:54 +0100
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-15 23:20 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <rtu44e$vbg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #73655 |
On 01/15/2021 01:32 AM, Chris Green wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 01/14/2021 12:16 PM, Chris Green wrote:
>> > Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>> >> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote
>> >>
>> >> | > I have a prepaid phone where each SMS is 30 cents, last time I looked.
>> >> | >
>> >> | > By the way, Google was trying to push another text messaging system,
>> >> | > universal, improving over SMS, and free. But they need providers to
>> >> | > provide. I forgot the name.
>> >> |
>> >> | 30 cents for an SMS! You are being robbed.
>> >> |
>> >>
>> >> He's in Spain. I'm guessing that's why WA is so
>> >> big in Europe. I have a Tracphone and the one time
>> >> I received a text I think it cost me $4 worth of
>> >> minutes. :) But interestingly, I recently had to switch
>> >> from a fliphone to an Android slab and for some
>> >> reason Tracphone matched my accumulated 3,000
>> >> prepaid minutes with 3,000 texts and 3,000 MB
>> >> of data. It keeps getting cheaper all the time.
>> >>
>> > The whole idea that it could cost *anything* to receive a message or a
>> > phone call is totally foreign to anyone in Europe. It may be the norm
>> > in the USA but, believe it or not, you're not the only country in the
>> > world.
>>
>> We heard something like that a while back but we never really believed
>> it. When we study "foreign languages" we know they're really just
>> obscure English dialects.
>>
> :-)
>
>
>> Yeah, it sucks. What's an average European vs American monthly cost for
>> cell service?
>>
> What's a 'cell service' - we call them mobiles! :-)
>
> Anything from almost nothing to a horrendous (to me anyway) amount.
> Many (most?) contracts here include a handset so comparisons aren't
> easy.
>
> I pay very little because I use a pay-as-you-go SIM only contract, I
> rarely spend more than £10 to £20 per year. Calls cost 3p/min, texts
> cost 2p, data costs 1p/Mb.
Man after my own heart! We pay $10/year for maybe 30 minutes which roll
over if unused. We have several hours banked on two phones. Occasional
users save a LOT of money.
> Heavier users on monthly contracts will get much cheaper per call rates.
--
Cheers, Bev
"You should be glad that bridge fell down -- I was planning
to build thirteen more to the same design."
-- Attributed to I.K. Brunel, addressing the
Directors of the Great Western Railway
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-15 13:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rts52c$gvl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #73649 |
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 01/14/2021 12:16 PM, Chris Green wrote:
>> Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote
>>>
>>> | > I have a prepaid phone where each SMS is 30 cents, last time I looked.
>>> | >
>>> | > By the way, Google was trying to push another text messaging system,
>>> | > universal, improving over SMS, and free. But they need providers to
>>> | > provide. I forgot the name.
>>> |
>>> | 30 cents for an SMS! You are being robbed.
>>> |
>>>
>>> He's in Spain. I'm guessing that's why WA is so
>>> big in Europe. I have a Tracphone and the one time
>>> I received a text I think it cost me $4 worth of
>>> minutes. :) But interestingly, I recently had to switch
>>> from a fliphone to an Android slab and for some
>>> reason Tracphone matched my accumulated 3,000
>>> prepaid minutes with 3,000 texts and 3,000 MB
>>> of data. It keeps getting cheaper all the time.
>>>
>> The whole idea that it could cost *anything* to receive a message or a
>> phone call is totally foreign to anyone in Europe. It may be the norm
>> in the USA but, believe it or not, you're not the only country in the
>> world.
>
> We heard something like that a while back but we never really believed
> it. When we study "foreign languages" we know they're really just
> obscure English dialects.
>
> Yeah, it sucks. What's an average European vs American monthly cost for
> cell service?
The US is ranked 188th in the world in terms of cost per gigabyte of data
which may be indicative of the cost of mobile plans. Italy is in the top 5.
https://www.cable.co.uk/mobiles/worldwide-data-pricing/
I pay £5 pm which includes 250 minutes of calls, unlimited texts and 4GB of
data.
The rest of the family pay £1-2 more and get unlimited calls. In addition
those inclusive deals can be used when roaming in many countries for no
additional cost. On my network it's 50 countries.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-15 15:41 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <e6m8dh-4do.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #73649 |
On 15/01/2021 07.54, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 01/14/2021 12:16 PM, Chris Green wrote:
>> Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote
>>>
>>> | > I have a prepaid phone where each SMS is 30 cents, last time I
>>> looked.
>>> | >
>>> | > By the way, Google was trying to push another text messaging system,
>>> | > universal, improving over SMS, and free. But they need providers to
>>> | > provide. I forgot the name.
>>> |
>>> | 30 cents for an SMS! You are being robbed.
>>> |
>>>
>>> He's in Spain. I'm guessing that's why WA is so
>>> big in Europe. I have a Tracphone and the one time
>>> I received a text I think it cost me $4 worth of
>>> minutes. :) But interestingly, I recently had to switch
>>> from a fliphone to an Android slab and for some
>>> reason Tracphone matched my accumulated 3,000
>>> prepaid minutes with 3,000 texts and 3,000 MB
>>> of data. It keeps getting cheaper all the time.
>>>
>> The whole idea that it could cost *anything* to receive a message or a
>> phone call is totally foreign to anyone in Europe. It may be the norm
>> in the USA but, believe it or not, you're not the only country in the
>> world.
>
> We heard something like that a while back but we never really believed
> it. When we study "foreign languages" we know they're really just
> obscure English dialects.
>
> Yeah, it sucks. What's an average European vs American monthly cost for
> cell service?
30..40€/month for unlimited data, calls, and SMS.
[Fusión 0 300 Mb] A combo of fixed phone (unlimited calls to land lines)
with basic TV, 300 Mb fibre, and two mobile lines:
1) 200 minutes / 30 cents per SMS, 15 GB
2) unlimited calls (but 40 cents start of call) / 30 cents per SMS, 5 GB
Seems to be the cheapest in my provider. 55€/month.
https://www.movistar.es/particulares/fusion/cero/?&segmento=particulares
--
Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-01-14 21:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l8m6dh-60l.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #73620 |
On 14/01/2021 20.33, Mayayana wrote:
> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote
>
> | > I have a prepaid phone where each SMS is 30 cents, last time I looked.
> | >
> | > By the way, Google was trying to push another text messaging system,
> | > universal, improving over SMS, and free. But they need providers to
> | > provide. I forgot the name.
> |
> | 30 cents for an SMS! You are being robbed.
> |
>
> He's in Spain. I'm guessing that's why WA is so
> big in Europe. I have a Tracphone and the one time
> I received a text I think it cost me $4 worth of
> minutes. :) But interestingly, I recently had to switch
> from a fliphone to an Android slab and for some
> reason Tracphone matched my accumulated 3,000
> prepaid minutes with 3,000 texts and 3,000 MB
> of data. It keeps getting cheaper all the time.
Yes.
On my main mobile phone, SMS *now* are free, but this did not happen
till everybody had migrated to wasap and they lost the SMS business.
Previously, I paid 15 cent per message, I think.
On my auxiliary phone, I have no internet (if I connect, I get charged
an abusive price per day), and I get charged another abusive price per
SMS. I use this phone only for receiving calls, which costs me 5€ every
9 or 12 months to renew the prepaid account.
When internet appeared here for the masses, the telephone company had
plans to charge per email, with a cost different per distance and number
of recipients (same as mail or telephone calls). They also intended to
charge per open port. And no, I'm not making this up, I got this info
from chaps that were there. Fortunately someone made then see sense.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-14 20:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rtqdj5.358.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #73620 |
Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote
>
> | > I have a prepaid phone where each SMS is 30 cents, last time I looked.
> | >
> | > By the way, Google was trying to push another text messaging system,
> | > universal, improving over SMS, and free. But they need providers to
> | > provide. I forgot the name.
> |
> | 30 cents for an SMS! You are being robbed.
>
> He's in Spain. I'm guessing that's why WA is so
> big in Europe.
The reason why Carlos' SMS messages are so 'expensive' is - as he said
- he's on (PAYG) *prepaid*. If you have a 'bundle', then most of the
time some number of 'free' SMS messages are included, but those bundles
have a monthly cost and PAYG doesn't. I.e. it's an apples versus oranges
(non-)comparison.
Anyway, the cost of a SMS message is mostly irrelevant, *because* 'we'
have WhatsApp. Why use expensive <nospam> outdated </nospam> technology
when you can use the latest and greatest :-) for free or nearly free.
Case in point: Very close relative just app-ed from LAX airport that
he safely arrived and informed us of his plans. We 'chatted' a bit with
him (from the comfort of our laptop). Didn't cost him or us anything.
> I have a Tracphone and the one time
> I received a text I think it cost me $4 worth of
> minutes. :)
That's what you get for living in a third world country, where
*receiving* SMS messages (and calls (on your mobile)) are charged! :-)
> But interestingly, I recently had to switch
> from a fliphone to an Android slab and for some
> reason Tracphone matched my accumulated 3,000
> prepaid minutes with 3,000 texts and 3,000 MB
> of data. It keeps getting cheaper all the time.
"Android slab"!? Nice one!
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| From | "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-01-14 17:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <rtqfou$g4b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #73629 |
"Frank Slootweg" <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote | That's what you get for living in a third world country, where | *receiving* SMS messages (and calls (on your mobile)) are charged! :-) | It changes so fast. It wasn't so long ago that people would give me their cell # but ask me not to call, because the calls were so expensive. | > But interestingly, I recently had to switch | > from a fliphone to an Android slab and for some | > reason Tracphone matched my accumulated 3,000 | > prepaid minutes with 3,000 texts and 3,000 MB | > of data. It keeps getting cheaper all the time. | | "Android slab"!? Nice one! A Blu. $30 for a full Android system. I don't know how they can make it so cheap. I had to get it because G3 was going out of service. I installed Firefox with privacy extensions... looked around a bit online.... I still can't get over it that I could go online from anywhere I can get service. I could use the thing as a desktop if I plugged in keyboard, mouse, screen and storage. The only catch is that, of course, it's a phone with a little touch screen that's pretty much useless for anything but dialing a phone call. So by this time next year I'll probably have 4,000 minutes/texts/MB to never get around to using.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-14 13:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <140120211322014244%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #73600 |
In article <ev36dh-db9.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > By the way, Google was trying to push another text messaging system, > universal, improving over SMS, and free. But they need providers to > provide. I forgot the name. rcs
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-14 21:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <hgm6dh-8al.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #73616 |
On 14/01/2021 19.22, nospam wrote: > In article <ev36dh-db9.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. > <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> By the way, Google was trying to push another text messaging system, >> universal, improving over SMS, and free. But they need providers to >> provide. I forgot the name. > > rcs Yes, thanks. News about this have stopped, it is apparently not implemented here, so I forgot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services History The Rich Communication Suite industry initiative[6] was formed by a group of industry promoters in 2007. In February 2008 the GSM Association officially became the project 'home' of RCS and an RCS steering committee was established by the organisation. The scope of the steering committee's work was to entail the definition, testing, and integration of the services in the application suite known as RCS.[7][8][9] Three years later, the RCS project released a new specification – RCS-e (e = 'enhanced'), which included various iterations of the original RCS specifications. The GSMA program is now called Rich Communication Services.[10] The GSMA published the Universal Profile in November 2016.[11] The Universal Profile is a globally agreed, single GSMA specification for advanced communications. Carriers that deploy the Universal Profile guarantee interconnection with other carriers. 47 mobile network operators, 11 manufacturers, and 2 OS providers (Google and Microsoft) have announced their support.[12] Google's Jibe Cloud platform is an implementation of the RCS Universal Profile, designed to help carriers launch RCS quickly and scale easily.[13] Samsung is the major device OEM to support RCS globally. Samsung RCS capable devices have been commercially launched in Europe since 2012 and in the United States since 2015. Google supports RCS on Android devices with its Android SMS app Messages. In April 2018, it was reported that Google would be transferring the team that was working on its Google Allo messaging service to work on a wider RCS implementation.[14][15][16] In June 2019, Google announced that it would begin to deploy RCS on an opt-in basis via the Messages app (branded as chat features), with service compliant with the Universal Profile and hosted by Google rather than the user's carrier. The rollout of this functionality began in France and the United Kingdom. In response to concerns over the lack of end-to-end encryption in RCS, Google stated that it would only retain message data in transit until it is delivered to the recipient.[17] In November 2020, Google later announced that it would begin to roll out end-to-end encryption for one-on-one conversations between Messages users, beginning with the beta version of the app.[18] In December 2020, Samsung updated its Samsung Experience messages app to also allow users to opt into Chat.[19] In October 2019, the four major U.S. carriers announced an agreement to form the "Cross-Carrier Messaging Initiative" to jointly implement RCS using a newly developed app. This service will be compatible with the Universal Profile.[20] -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | AJL <noemail@none.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-13 09:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rtn817$9eh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #73499 |
On 1/13/2021 8:29 AM, Mayayana wrote: > Phones, in general, are hard for me to keep up with. The assumption > that everyone has a phone has become widespread very quickly. Yup. To get my Covid shot I signed up online using my phone. There was also a phone number available for the browser challenged but the wait time was reported to be over an hour. > I was browsing a real estate dealer's window... The listings had > photos but no longer have any info. You're supposed to scan a q-code > through the window if you want to know more! After I signed up for the shot I got an email appointment confirmation with a QR code. The plan is for the shot tech to scan the QR code on my phone, give me the shot, and I'm gone. Big time saver. Hopefully I won't be stuck behind someone phone challenged who has to have his appointment confirmation recorded manually. ;-)
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| From | "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> |
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| Date | 2021-01-13 12:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <rtnbeo$581$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #73504 |
"AJL" <noemail@none.com> wrote | After I signed up for the shot I got an email appointment | confirmation with a QR code. The plan is for the shot tech to scan the | QR code on my phone, give me the shot, and I'm gone. Big time saver. | Hopefully I won't be stuck behind someone phone challenged who has to | have his appointment confirmation recorded manually. ;-) | Ah. Thanks for that explanation, Mr. Jetson. I expect they might be surprised at my lack of phone, but will be able to deal with it.
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| From | AJL <noemail@none.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-13 13:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rtnmd5$m52$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #73512 |
On 1/13/2021 10:42 AM, Mayayana wrote: > "AJL" <noemail@none.com> wrote > > | After I signed up for the shot I got an email appointment | > confirmation with a QR code. The plan is for the shot tech to scan > the | QR code on my phone, give me the shot, and I'm gone. Big time > saver. | Hopefully I won't be stuck behind someone phone challenged > who has to | have his appointment confirmation recorded manually. > ;-) | > > Ah. Thanks for that explanation, Mr. Jetson. I expect they might be > surprised at my lack of phone, but will be able to deal with it. You're welcome Mr. Cogswell. And you're quite correct, they are prepared to service the smartphone challenged. But as I said the landline waiting time here was over an hour. Hopefully things are better there. Or perhaps even easier just skip the shot.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-13 12:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <130120211252039559%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #73499 |
In article <rtn3l4$7oc$1@dont-email.me>, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote: > It's hard to for to be informed about these things. I > don't use them and they change a lot. Phones, in > general, are hard for me to keep up with. The assumption > that everyone has a phone has become widespread very > quickly. it's much more than an assumption. > This week I went to the chiropractor. When I > arrived they said I was supposed to call from outside! many places do that, or they text you when they're ready for you. > Down the street I was browsing a real estate dealer's > window, because I was early for my chiropractor appt. > The listings had photos but no longer have any info. > You're supposed to scan a q-code through the window > if you want to know more! that qr code will link to a site with a *lot* more info, including numerous hi-res photos, floor plans and in many cases, virtual walk-throughs.
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| From | Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-13 02:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rtlmbj$dbh$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #73438 |
On 12 Jan 2021 20:07:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote: > The problem with "switching" is that > everybody - or at least all (or the majority of) your contacts - needs > to switch, because all those IM (Instant Messaging) platforms are > incompatible with eachother and are not gatewayed. Yup. Apparently Europeans chose VOIP more so than Americans due to cellular pricing (either for text or MMS or for voice calls, or all three). Dunno. Basically their cellular plans are why they use VOIP a lot (AFAIK). But I don't have a clue _why_ Europeans chose WhatsApp over, oh, say, Signal or Telegram or Hangouts or whatever. Why WhatsApp over the rest? -- Some questions only have answers based on an aggregate data collection.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-13 16:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <jef3dh-faj.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #73463 |
On 13/01/2021 03.36, Arlen Holder wrote: > On 12 Jan 2021 20:07:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote: > >> The problem with "switching" is that >> everybody - or at least all (or the majority of) your contacts - needs >> to switch, because all those IM (Instant Messaging) platforms are >> incompatible with eachother and are not gatewayed. > > Yup. > > Apparently Europeans chose VOIP more so than Americans due to cellular > pricing (either for text or MMS or for voice calls, or all three). Dunno. > > Basically their cellular plans are why they use VOIP a lot (AFAIK). > > But I don't have a clue _why_ Europeans chose WhatsApp over, oh, say, > Signal or Telegram or Hangouts or whatever. > > Why WhatsApp over the rest? Because it arrived earlier, had more features, and somehow got traction. That was before it was bought by facebook. You don't have a choice really, you use what your contacts use. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-12 01:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rtiuf1$pni$1@neodome.net> |
| In reply to | #73383 |
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 21:47:48 +0100, s|b wrote: > I'm guessing EU's GDPR prevented this? Hi s|b, You've always been an adult, which I appreciate, as adults are a rarity here. o Anyone can guess - it's what apologists do every second of their lives (IMHO) I hate guessing o Guessing means we may as well just shut our brain off & flip a coin I like to base my assessments (aka opinions) on cold hard cited facts. It bothers me when I don't have the facts necessary for a good assessment: a. It _could_ possibly be that the EU won't let WhatsApp facebook people b. Or, it could possibly be EU WhatsApp users _drive_ USA WhatsApp adoption c. Or, it could be something else. Anyone can guess as well as I can guess; but that's not all that useful o What we need are facts leaning one way or another as to why only US users Googling for this mysteriously unknown EU law that doesn't allow EU people to be facebooked is difficult as the keywords are rather commonplace, I think we're only going to find the answer in European news. To that end, let's take a look at this Irish Times report: o WhatsApp says European users do not have to share data with Facebook <https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/whatsapp-says-european-users-do-not-have-to-share-data-with-facebook-1.4452435> "WhatsApp┬ Irish arm, said on Thursday that although users in Europe are in the process of being issued *new terms of services to which they must agree*, the revised agreement did not include data sharing." "The updated policy provides info on how businesses using the WhatsApp API to talk to customers can now do so using a Facebook-provided service to help them manage their chats with customers." "WhatsApp said any plan to share data with Facebook or other group companies would only be done once the company had agreed this with the *Irish Data Protection Commission*, which is the lead regulator for the service in Europe." That's interesting, don't you think. o We're still guessing, but... a. It seems there's no "American Data Commission" to prevent facebooking b. But there's an Irish Data Protection Commission for European users c. And that commission has to accept Europeans being facebooked I think. -- Basing assessments on well cited facts is what intelligent people do.
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| From | Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@gmailCAPITALS.com.INVALID> |
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| Date | 2021-01-12 08:48 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rtjk8t$6g4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #73404 |
Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> Wrote in message: > Anyone can guess - it's what apologists do every second of their lives (IMHO) > I hate guessing > Guessing means we may as well just shut our brain off & flip a coin > I like to base my assessments (aka opinions) on cold hard cited facts. > It bothers me when I don't have the facts necessary for a good assessment... Anyone can guess, but just few can do good guessing. Guessing is very important part of discovering new areas, like in any scientific and applied research, where is not enough available consistent facts, or are nearly none. Without guessing, we would not have even fire and wheel. Saying that, it is important to explicitly distinguish what is based on facts and what is not. -- Poutnik ( the Wanderer )
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| From | Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-12 15:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rtkfqi$1efe$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #73412 |
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 08:48:44 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Libor Striz wrote: > Anyone can guess, but just few can do good guessing. Hi Poutnik, Nope. o Guessing is as good as bribing the Oracle at Delphi Even Einstein was wrong on his intuition, as was Stephen Hawking o As is everyone - which quantum physics clearly shows to be the case. You know very well what I'm talking about as you're intelligent o I use Quantum Mechanics as the proof that intuition fails all of us You're one of the few well educated people on this newsgroup where you can understand what I'm imparting, and rest assured, I understand what you're trying to say (i.e., an hypothesis is more than just a hunch); but most people on this newsgroup are incredibly ignorant (IMHO), where I've often proven they base their entire belief system on exactly zero (0) facts. Their guesses are no better than the result of a coin flip. o Worse, some on this newsgroup, are Dunning Kruger Quadrant 1. They trust their intuition far more than they trust in facts. o Worse - MARKETING feeds them their "intuition" For example, Exxon feeds people a tiger running across the screen o At the same time saying "Premium - More power - more fun". People then intuit that an AKI of X+5 "must" be better than AKI of X o Because MARKETING plays on people's intuition - perfectly so. Therefore, particularly given Apple MARKETING is so fantastically brilliant o I suspect the Apple users are wrong on guesses even _more_ than 50% Because Apple _feeds_ them their entire intuition. NOTE: There are few people on this newsgroup intelligent enough to comprehend what value I just imparted, where I hope you're one of them. > Guessing is very important part > of discovering new areas, like in any scientific and applied research, > where is not enough available consistent facts, or are nearly none. There's a difference here, Poutnik, and you know it. o You and I are trained as scientists - by very intelligent people. I was trained in one of the finest institutes in the entire world. o I was trained to form a hypothesis based on the known facts In general, there are tens, hundreds, thousands of facts I take into account when forming an hypothesis, Poutnik... as probably do you. Rarely does a scientist guess - and when they do, they're often wrong. o Take the doubleslit experiment and the guesses for hundreds of years Even gravity as a "force" propagated in the "ether" was a "guess" by the smartest men on this planet, as you are well aware, Poutnik. And yet, they were wrong. o Gravity doesn't even exist (as a force). Anyone who trusts their intuition more than they trust facts, IMHO, is a fool, where _most_ people on this newsgroup are fools by that definition (IMHO). Me? o I don't trust my intuition one bit. I don't even "trust in God". o I trust in facts. > Without guessing, we would not have even fire and wheel. I'm old, but not that old to have been there when the people of your area figured out the wheel, where you'll note that, other than the potter's wheel, few indigenous people "guessed" at the wheeled chariot. Very few (if any) ancient mountain people's "guessed" at the wheel o It's _only_ the people of the steppes and deserts (e.g., Assyria) Notice the geography and the availability of beasts of burden allowed them to formulate an engineering plan for a wheel, while aborigines of mountainous areas (who often lack beasts of burden) didn't cause them to design the wheel. The wheel wasn't "guessed" Poutnik (IMHO); it was designed by engineers. o IMHO > Saying that, it is important to explicitly distinguish > what is based on facts and what is not. To your point, there are extremely few people, unfortunately, on this newsgroup who are intelligent and well educated - and worse - very few are educated in the sciences and engineering. Almost none of them could get through a chapter of the infamous Morrison & Boyd, for example, which I use since I'm sure you're well aware of it. All they know is bullshit MARKETING - where they can't think outside their own intuition - which is why I claim that guessing sucks, particularly on this newsgroup where the intelligence bar is set to low as to be depressing. Hence, you'll note I stand out as one of the few people, as do a few others though, but not very many - perhaps a half dozen - who back up their claims with actual cites and well-annotated screenshots. The rest bullshit like there is no tomorrow. -- The amount of utter bullshit on this newsgroup is astoundingly high. o The number of intelligent people on this ng is astoundingly low.
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| From | Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@gmailCAPITALS.com.INVALID> |
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| Date | 2021-01-14 21:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rtq8k2$sdo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #73424 |
Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> Wrote in message: Hi Arlen, > Guessing is as good as bribing the Oracle at Delphi > Even Einstein was wrong on his intuition, as was Stephen Hawking > As is everyone - which quantum physics clearly shows to be the case. > You know very well what I'm talking about as you're intelligent > I use Quantum Mechanics as the proof that intuition fails all of us... You may misinterpret, what guessing is, at least the good, informed guessing. Guessing is using known facts, attempting to extrapolate our knowledge from our comfort zone of known facts to the unknown territory we know nearly nothing about it , "where lions are". Every scientific hypothesis is informed guessing, how things could be, what unknown rules there are, what relation between objects and phenomena is. Some of them are confirmed, some are refuted. That is life. Without guessing, trials and errors, staying at known facts only, no new idea would be applied, no new invention would be done. To know the facts is obviously better than to guess. But to know the facts, you guess first and then you may or may not get them. Even the "ancients engineers" first observed rolling objects and then guessed it could be used for transportation, before making first wheel prototypes. The Internet, networking and network protocol suites have been also guessed first that it could work and designed after that. Even you are using intuition and guessing all the time every day, even during walking. You think, believe and hope you will not slide at your next step and will not injure your ancle. You do not know that in advance. You do not know all facts. Or, you have to make a decision and you do not know all facts that would affect your choice if you knew them. You guess and hope for a good outcome. Be safe and have a nice day. -- Poutnik ( the Wanderer )
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| From | Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> |
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| Date | 2021-01-12 16:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rtkgtt$t6t$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #73383 |
Am 11.01.21 um 21:47 schrieb s|b: > On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 14:18:40 +0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote: > >> Hence, this question that immediately comes to the fore is "WHY". >> o *Why did WhatsApp only force USA subscribers to agree to be facebooked?* >> >> I don't know why. > > I'm guessing EU's GDPR prevented this? Correct. This change does not conform with European Privacy Protection Laws and would be illegal. Personally I deleted my WA-Account and all data. Enough is enough. Even if it is not implemented in Europe.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-01-12 22:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <4nf1dh-stj.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #73425 |
On 12/01/2021 16.57, Joerg Lorenz wrote: > Am 11.01.21 um 21:47 schrieb s|b: >> On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 14:18:40 +0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote: >> >>> Hence, this question that immediately comes to the fore is "WHY". >>> o *Why did WhatsApp only force USA subscribers to agree to be facebooked?* >>> >>> I don't know why. >> >> I'm guessing EU's GDPR prevented this? > > Correct. This change does not conform with European Privacy Protection > Laws and would be illegal. > > Personally I deleted my WA-Account and all data. Enough is enough. Even > if it is not implemented in Europe. Most of us can not, or we'd lose contact with everybody. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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