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  SD memory Dieter Britz <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 14:21 +0000
    Re: SD memory Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-01-02 14:52 +0000
    Re: SD memory VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-01-02 09:09 -0600
      Re: SD memory Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 18:44 +0000
    Re: SD memory Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-02 18:44 +0000
    Re: SD memory The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 11:10 -0800
    Re: SD memory "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-02 20:32 +0100
      Re: SD memory VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-01-02 15:32 -0600
        Re: SD memory AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-02 14:51 -0700
          Re: SD memory VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-01-02 19:39 -0600
            Re: SD memory Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-03 20:37 +0000
          Re: SD memory Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-03 20:12 +0000
        Re: SD memory "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-02 22:52 +0100
          Re: SD memory VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-01-02 19:41 -0600
            Re: SD memory "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-03 13:56 +0100
            Re: SD memory Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-03 20:37 +0000
          Re: SD memory Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-03 20:12 +0000
            Re: SD memory The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-03 15:37 -0800
              Re: SD memory sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-04 09:35 -0800
                Re: SD memory The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-04 10:26 -0800
                  Re: SD memory Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-04 21:21 +0000
                    Re: SD memory Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 01:56 +0000
                    Re: SD memory The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-04 21:55 -0800
                      Re: SD memory "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-05 15:13 +0100
                        Re: SD memory sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-05 08:29 -0800
                          Re: SD memory  Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 17:24 +0000
                        Re: SD memory AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2021-01-05 09:49 -0700
                          Re: SD memory Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 17:28 +0000
                        Re: SD memory The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 20:45 -0800
                          Re: SD memory "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-06 14:13 +0100
                          Re: SD memory sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-06 07:54 -0800
                            Re: SD memory The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-06 09:33 -0800
                              Re: SD memory sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-06 10:04 -0800
                      Re: SD memory Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 14:21 +0000
                        Re: SD memory The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 20:51 -0800
                          Re: SD memory Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-06 14:04 +0000
                      Re: SD memory sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-05 08:24 -0800
                        Re: SD memory Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 17:21 +0000
            Re: SD memory "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-04 22:14 +0100
              Re: SD memory sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2021-01-04 15:56 -0800
                Re: SD memory  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 02:04 +0000
                Re: SD memory The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-01-04 22:05 -0800
                  Re: SD memory  Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 15:26 +0000
              Re: SD memory Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 01:51 +0000
                Re: SD memory Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2021-01-05 02:10 +0000
            Re: SD memory Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> - 2021-01-12 10:34 -0800
    Re: SD memory Dieter Britz <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 13:51 +0000
      Re: SD memory "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-01-11 15:23 +0100
      Re: SD memory VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-01-11 11:15 -0600

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#73020

On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 10:26:20 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:

> One bad thing about having an SD card and then switching to a Pixel2 
> without one:  it creates an 'emulated' series of subdirectories which 
> are a nuisance to deal with.  If I'd been smart I would have taken the 
> card out of the Moto before I let the Pixel suck in its entire system 
> (which it did admirably -- I was afraid I'd have to reconfigure 
> everything, but I didn't).

Hi The Real Bev,

You've been on Usenet for a while so you're credible.

This is good to know, as I've had "el cheapo" $200 Google Moto G and $350
Nexus 5 phones in the past, which, in a word, suck compared to my previous
$130 LG Stylo 3 Plus (32GB + expansion slot) and to my current $100 Moto G7
(64GB + expansion slot).

I have come to accept that most phones don't have user removable batteries
anymore, but I hope to hold on to the precious sdcard slot and aux port for
as long as I can (luckily, almost all Android phones have both where
there's almost no Android phone without the headphone jack, as you're
aware). 

If I ever port to a no-external memory phone, I'll heed your advice.
 
> ES File Explorer (apparently considered evil by the play store now) 
> finds stuff pretty well, but if I'm looking for something without 
> knowing the filename (a common occurrence -- with my computer I just 
> look at the files sorted chronologically in the subdirectory that I KNOW 
> contains what I want) is a nuisance.

I dropped "ES File Explorer" but when it was in its heyday, I used it as
much as anyone did (although I had made the mistake of accepting the "clean
APK's" option, not knowing it's a dumb delete of every APK on the device!
o Lesson learned.

There are so many good file managers nowadays that I don't see any reason
to keep ES File Explorer, but I forget why or what made them go over to th
dark side (it's been so long that I deleted it on previous phones).

Googling, I found this as the first hit:
o ES File Explorer Removed From Google Play Store
<https://troypoint.com/es-file-explorer-removed-from-google-play-store/>
  "Reports have indicated the company who owns ES File Explorer, DO Global,
   was clicking ads¢ in user¢s apps without permission."

Second hit:
o ES File Explorer Mysteriously Disappeared from Play Store
<https://www.geekdashboard.com/es-file-explorer-mysteriously-disappeared-from-play-store/>
  "once a Chinese company took over the app, it became a battlefield of 
   advertisements. Moreover, they also added unwanted features like a
   special charging screen. Slowly, it started losing its charm. Still
   many conventionalists kept on using the applications."

This is the third hit, which is the Wikipedia on the app:
o <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ES_File_Explorer>
  "It was claimed the company who owns ES File Explorer, DO Global, was
   committing 'click fraud' by clicking ads in users' apps in the
   background without permission."
  "It is unclear if or when ES File Explorer will return to the Google Play
   Store. The app is still available on the Amazon Appstore."

Seems to me I'd want you to find a replacement to your ES File Explorer, 
unless yours is old enough to be prior to the "DO Global" takeover.

In looking for it on Google Play, watch out for this "look alike" app:
o ES File Manager, File Explorer, by GreenSoft Infotech
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.File.Manager.Filemanager>
Dunno anything about it, but clearly they're capitalizing on the name.

Here's a screenshot of the "file explorers" I have in my files folder:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/rmvDBN8Q/files01.jpg>

There are so many "file explorers" out there, that I wonder what's in "ES
File Explorer" nowadays that isn't already in one of those, e.g., 

Maybe it's time to open up a thread on what's a "good" file explorer?
-- 
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to help others get good apps!

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#73030

On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:21:53 +0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 10:26:20 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
> 
>> One bad thing about having an SD card and then switching to a Pixel2 
>> without one:  it creates an 'emulated' series of subdirectories which 
>> are a nuisance to deal with. 

BTW, when researching the sdcard file organization, I ran into this thread:
o Do you keep the mess in the external sdcard or do you change it? (to what?)
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/gmI-kNbakmA/m/u9CyGZ6dAwAJ>

> There are so many "file explorers" out there, that I wonder what's in "ES
> File Explorer" nowadays that isn't already in one of those, e.g., 
> 
> Maybe it's time to open up a thread on what's a "good" file explorer?

As always, to help others learn and to learn more myself...
o I opened a separate thread on the file explorers that people love & why.

Please see:
o Survey of free ad free Android file explorer apps you use & why you like them (perhaps to replace ES File Explorer evilware)
  <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/SSOowSdK-8g>
-- 
Posted to always add value to each Usenet thread by being helpful.

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#73042

On 01/04/2021 01:21 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 10:26:20 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> One bad thing about having an SD card and then switching to a Pixel2
>> without one:  it creates an 'emulated' series of subdirectories which
>> are a nuisance to deal with.  If I'd been smart I would have taken the
>> card out of the Moto before I let the Pixel suck in its entire system
>> (which it did admirably -- I was afraid I'd have to reconfigure
>> everything, but I didn't).
>
> Hi The Real Bev,
>
> You've been on Usenet for a while so you're credible.
>
> This is good to know, as I've had "el cheapo" $200 Google Moto G and $350
> Nexus 5 phones in the past, which, in a word, suck compared to my previous
> $130 LG Stylo 3 Plus (32GB + expansion slot) and to my current $100 Moto G7
> (64GB + expansion slot).
>
> I have come to accept that most phones don't have user removable batteries
> anymore, but I hope to hold on to the precious sdcard slot and aux port for
> as long as I can (luckily, almost all Android phones have both where
> there's almost no Android phone without the headphone jack, as you're
> aware).
>
> If I ever port to a no-external memory phone, I'll heed your advice.

I didn't realize the Pixel2 had no headphone jack;  I probably would 
have bought it anyway, though, and I bought an adapter -- which I 
haven't used yet.  The Pixel phone sound is fine, but music from the 
speakers is ludicrous;  you'd think they would have put better speakers 
in, but they didn't.  It's fine from the earphones, though.

>> ES File Explorer (apparently considered evil by the play store now)
>> finds stuff pretty well, but if I'm looking for something without
>> knowing the filename (a common occurrence -- with my computer I just
>> look at the files sorted chronologically in the subdirectory that I KNOW
>> contains what I want) is a nuisance.
>
> I dropped "ES File Explorer" but when it was in its heyday, I used it as
> much as anyone did (although I had made the mistake of accepting the "clean
> APK's" option, not knowing it's a dumb delete of every APK on the device!
> o Lesson learned.

It shows little banner ads at the bottom every once in a while, but I'm 
really good at ignoring stuff like that.

> There are so many good file managers nowadays that I don't see any reason
> to keep ES File Explorer, but I forget why or what made them go over to th
> dark side (it's been so long that I deleted it on previous phones).

I'm used to the way it works and I do what I need to do (mostly copy 
photos to my computer) by habit rather than conscious thought.  Some of 
us are really lazy.

> Googling, I found this as the first hit:
> o ES File Explorer Removed From Google Play Store
> <https://troypoint.com/es-file-explorer-removed-from-google-play-store/>
>    "Reports have indicated the company who owns ES File Explorer, DO Global,
>     was clicking ads¢ in user¢s apps without permission."

Why should I care?  Not my problem.  Anybody who spends 
time/money/effort trying to sell me something is wasting their 
resources.  Same if they're just spying on me.

> Second hit:
> o ES File Explorer Mysteriously Disappeared from Play Store
> <https://www.geekdashboard.com/es-file-explorer-mysteriously-disappeared-from-play-store/>
>    "once a Chinese company took over the app, it became a battlefield of
>     advertisements. Moreover, they also added unwanted features like a
>     special charging screen. Slowly, it started losing its charm. Still
>     many conventionalists kept on using the applications."

I guess that would be me.

> This is the third hit, which is the Wikipedia on the app:
> o <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ES_File_Explorer>
>    "It was claimed the company who owns ES File Explorer, DO Global, was
>     committing 'click fraud' by clicking ads in users' apps in the
>     background without permission."
>    "It is unclear if or when ES File Explorer will return to the Google Play
>     Store. The app is still available on the Amazon Appstore."
>
> Seems to me I'd want you to find a replacement to your ES File Explorer,
> unless yours is old enough to be prior to the "DO Global" takeover.

I just updated.  If those are the only problems, big deal.

> In looking for it on Google Play, watch out for this "look alike" app:
> o ES File Manager, File Explorer, by GreenSoft Infotech
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.File.Manager.Filemanager>
> Dunno anything about it, but clearly they're capitalizing on the name.
>
> Here's a screenshot of the "file explorers" I have in my files folder:
> o <https://i.postimg.cc/rmvDBN8Q/files01.jpg>
>
> There are so many "file explorers" out there, that I wonder what's in "ES
> File Explorer" nowadays that isn't already in one of those, e.g.,

The fact that I already know how to use it.  Did I mention something 
about laziness?

> Maybe it's time to open up a thread on what's a "good" file explorer?

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    *Are you *sure* there's a hyphen in "anal-retentive?"*

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#73047

On 05/01/2021 06.55, The Real Bev wrote:
>> Googling, I found this as the first hit:
>> o ES File Explorer Removed From Google Play Store
>> <https://troypoint.com/es-file-explorer-removed-from-google-play-store/>
>>    "Reports have indicated the company who owns ES File Explorer, DO
>> Global,
>>     was clicking ads¢ in user¢s apps without permission."
> 
> Why should I care?  Not my problem.  Anybody who spends
> time/money/effort trying to sell me something is wasting their
> resources.  Same if they're just spying on me.

It is a fraud. Not of your money, rather Google's money.
Maybe uses your bandwidth, cpu, and battery.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#73054

On 1/5/2021 6:13 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 05/01/2021 06.55, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> Googling, I found this as the first hit:
>>> o ES File Explorer Removed From Google Play Store
>>> <https://troypoint.com/es-file-explorer-removed-from-google-play-store/>
>>>     "Reports have indicated the company who owns ES File Explorer, DO
>>> Global,
>>>      was clicking ads¢ in user¢s apps without permission."
>>
>> Why should I care?  Not my problem.  Anybody who spends
>> time/money/effort trying to sell me something is wasting their
>> resources.  Same if they're just spying on me.
> 
> It is a fraud. Not of your money, rather Google's money.
> Maybe uses your bandwidth, cpu, and battery.

Yeah, I used to be a fan of ES File Explorer but no more. It's not 
necessary anyway. File Manager Plus is much better: 
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alphainventor.filemanager> 
and Samsung's included "My Files" is good for Samsung phones.

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#73061

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 08:29:44 -0800, sms wrote:

> Yeah, I used to be a fan of ES File Explorer but no more. It's not 
> necessary anyway. File Manager Plus is much better: 
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alphainventor.filemanager> 
> and Samsung's included "My Files" is good for Samsung phones.

As always, Steve doesn't know anything about apps, at least not "good" apps
o This app he suggests "Contains Ads"

Sure, Steve probably loves apps that bombard you with their ads
o But most intelligent people I know don't.

IMHO... far better file managers exist which are...
a. Free
b. GSF free
c. Ad free
d. Google free

See far better (IMHO) free ad free file manager suggestions here:
o Survey of free ad free Android file explorer apps you use & why you like them (perhaps to replace ES File Explorer evilware)
  <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/SSOowSdK-8g>
-- 
Having sms suggest a bad app is worse than him suggesting nothing.

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#73056

On 1/5/2021 7:13 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 05/01/2021 06.55, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> ES File Explorer Removed From Google Play Store
>>> <https://troypoint.com/es-file-explorer-removed-from-google-play-store/>
>>>  Reports have indicated the company who owns ES File Explorer, DO
>>> Global, was clicking ads in users apps without permission.
>>
>> Why should I care?  Not my problem.  Anybody who spends
>> time/money/effort trying to sell me something is wasting their
>> resources.  Same if they're just spying on me.
>
> It is a fraud. Not of your money, rather Google's money. Maybe uses
> your bandwidth, cpu, and battery.

I always liked ES File Explorer before it was removed. Lately I've come
to like Google Files. Frying pan into fire? BTW ES File Explorer was 
never removed from the Amazon App Store and is still there today.

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#73062

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 09:49:36 -0700, AJL wrote:

> I always liked ES File Explorer before it was removed. Lately I've come
> to like Google Files. Frying pan into fire? BTW ES File Explorer was 
> never removed from the Amazon App Store and is still there today.

Almost all of us cut our teeth on ES File Explorer in the olden days.
o Then it went to hell in a handbasket 

My research provided to The Real Bev yesterday showed what AJL said
o Which is that it's still available if you _really_ want it

If not, go here for free, ad free, gsf free, google free file managers:
o Survey of free ad free Android file explorer apps you use & why you like them (perhaps to replace ES File Explorer evilware)
  <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/SSOowSdK-8g>

That thread also contains a list of a dozen or so features to look for.
-- 
Posted because it's best to strive for good apps, rather than bad ones.

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#73112

On 01/05/2021 06:13 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 05/01/2021 06.55, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> Googling, I found this as the first hit:
>>> o ES File Explorer Removed From Google Play Store
>>> <https://troypoint.com/es-file-explorer-removed-from-google-play-store/>
>>>    "Reports have indicated the company who owns ES File Explorer, DO
>>> Global,
>>>     was clicking ads¢ in user¢s apps without permission."
>>
>> Why should I care?  Not my problem.  Anybody who spends
>> time/money/effort trying to sell me something is wasting their
>> resources.  Same if they're just spying on me.
>
> It is a fraud. Not of your money, rather Google's money.
> Maybe uses your bandwidth, cpu, and battery.

Hrm.  If I put it in airplane mode the battery lasts longer.  Crap, 
perhaps the Arcturians, Lizard People, etc. ARE here.  Our friend's wife 
keeps sending us convincing arguments and references to proof...

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "I don't need instructions, I have a hammer."
			         -- T.W. Wier

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#73114

On 06/01/2021 05.45, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 01/05/2021 06:13 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 05/01/2021 06.55, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> Googling, I found this as the first hit:
>>>> o ES File Explorer Removed From Google Play Store
>>>> <https://troypoint.com/es-file-explorer-removed-from-google-play-store/>
>>>>
>>>>    "Reports have indicated the company who owns ES File Explorer, DO
>>>> Global,
>>>>     was clicking ads¢ in user¢s apps without permission."
>>>
>>> Why should I care?  Not my problem.  Anybody who spends
>>> time/money/effort trying to sell me something is wasting their
>>> resources.  Same if they're just spying on me.
>>
>> It is a fraud. Not of your money, rather Google's money.
>> Maybe uses your bandwidth, cpu, and battery.
> 
> Hrm.  If I put it in airplane mode the battery lasts longer.  Crap,
> perhaps the Arcturians, Lizard People, etc. ARE here.  Our friend's wife
> keeps sending us convincing arguments and references to proof...
> 

:-)

Google removed the app from the store because they were stealing revenue
from Google, that is true.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#73120

On 1/5/2021 8:45 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

<snip>

> Hrm.  If I put it in airplane mode the battery lasts longer.  Crap, 
> perhaps the Arcturians, Lizard People, etc. ARE here.  Our friend's wife 
> keeps sending us convincing arguments and references to proof...

It would be funny if it weren't so sad. 
<https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/nashville-bombing-suspect-may-have-believed-in-lizard-people-13886736>.

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#73126

On 01/06/2021 07:54 AM, sms wrote:
> On 1/5/2021 8:45 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Hrm.  If I put it in airplane mode the battery lasts longer.  Crap,
>> perhaps the Arcturians, Lizard People, etc. ARE here.  Our friend's wife
>> keeps sending us convincing arguments and references to proof...
>
> It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
> <https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/nashville-bombing-suspect-may-have-believed-in-lizard-people-13886736>.

Damn.  The friend's wife also believes in crystals and other magical 
concepts.  There's apparently a whole industry out there designed to 
cater to these people.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "Some people say that when it rains it means that God is crying,
     probably because of something that you did."      --Jack Handey

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#73128

On 1/6/2021 9:33 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 01/06/2021 07:54 AM, sms wrote:
>> On 1/5/2021 8:45 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Hrm.  If I put it in airplane mode the battery lasts longer.  Crap,
>>> perhaps the Arcturians, Lizard People, etc. ARE here.  Our friend's wife
>>> keeps sending us convincing arguments and references to proof...
>>
>> It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
>> <https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/nashville-bombing-suspect-may-have-believed-in-lizard-people-13886736>. 
>>
> 
> Damn.  The friend's wife also believes in crystals and other magical 
> concepts.  There's apparently a whole industry out there designed to 
> cater to these people.

Wow, we could be rich if we had no ethics.

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#73048

On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:55:48 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:

> I didn't realize the Pixel2 had no headphone jack;

Hi The Real Bev,

I got burned like that when I bought the Moto G and the Nexus 4, both of
which sucked due to the lack of the sd card (the Nexus 4 was so bad that
the gift recipient had me exchange it with T-Mobile for a Nexus 5, which
she hated, and which I inherited years later when she want to an iPhone).

Three crappy Apple hardware ploys can burn Android users when buying from a
company that follows Apple's "courageous" (& admittedly hugely successful
at profit margins) MARKETING moves.
1. Lack of a removable battery (which, unfortunately, is most phones now)
2. Lack of a headphone jack (luckily, almost zero Android phones do this)
3. Lack of an external sdcard (luckily, almost 0 Android phones do this)

Basically, Apple removed all this basic functionality so that the user has
to buy it back, often from Apple, which is the profit motive.

I don't blame Apple for being greedy; I blame its customers for being
gullible. Likewise, I don't blame Google for attempting to garner the
astoundingly huge profit margins Apple enjoys - but you just can't make
those profits off of gullible customers.

I hope you got that pixel at a good price, which is why I had bought the
$200 Moto G and the $250 Nexus 4 (which morphed to the $350 Nexus 5).

If it wasn't at a good price (for that time period), I would _never_ have
settled for the lack of the removable battery and sdcard slot.

Funnily enough, when the Nexus 4 recipient finally got an iPhone, as I
recall, it was a free iPhone 6 which at least retained the basic
functionality of a headphone jack - but - when I asked her about her
subsequent iPhone 7, she complained about the lack of that basic
functionality (as I recall, as it was years ago).

>  I probably would 
> have bought it anyway, though, and I bought an adapter -- which I 
> haven't used yet.  The Pixel phone sound is fine, but music from the 
> speakers is ludicrous;  you'd think they would have put better speakers 
> in, but they didn't.  It's fine from the earphones, though.

As I said, there are two truisms when it comes to Android OEMs following
Apple's (admittedly hugely profitable) sleazy tactic of removing basic
functionality so that the user is forced to buy it back.

1. Any Android OEM would _love_ to be able to capitalize on Apple's 
   "courageous" move to boldly remove basic functionality so that the 
   consumer is forced to buy it back. It's all about pure profit.

2. If the Android phone is inexpensive, it might be a tradeoff that makes
   financial sense, since you expect loss of functionality in cheaper 
   devices.

Luckily almost every Android device ever made (over 99.5%) has this basic
functionality, and I don't know the percentage which have sdcard slots, 
but it's so many that there's no good reason (other than if it's super 
cheap) to buy a phone that lacks the sdcard functionality either.

BTW, my $130 LG Stylo 3 Plus, which I loved but I gave it away to a kid who
fell in water with his, had all three of this basic functionality:
1. Headphone jack
2. sdcard slot
3. Removable battery

Even my $100 Moto G7, which replaced my Stylo has two of those things:
1. Headphone jack
2. sdcard slot

Interestingly, every phone I've owned in the past had NFC since at least my
Samsung Galaxy S3 days, _except_ this Moto G7, which doesn't have it.

Why?
o I don't know why.

The European version of the Moto G7 has NFC, for example, so it's just what
they did for MARKETING reasons in the USA. Luckily, I've had NFC for so
long I can't remember how long, and yet, I've never needed it. So, for me,
it's not a loss of functionality - but to others - it could be the same
game.

Here's the game (pioneered by Apple):
a. If there's basic functionality
b. That they can "courageously" remove
c. Then you're forced to buy it back
d. (often, from them)

That's the game, which, by the way, only the _huge_ OEMs can get away 
with (since they can have models that _do_ have the functionality, 
but at a higher cost, so that they can have a "good/better/best" MARKETING
strategy).

The only way I'd buy a phone that lacks basic functionality would be...
o If it's cheap

And it has to be cheaper than $100 since I can get basic functionality 
(I love my Moto G7) for about $100. For example, at $10, I might consider
an Android phone that lacks a headphone jack and an sdcard slot.
-- 
Posted to let people know what the MARKETING strategy is.

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#73113

On 01/05/2021 06:21 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:55:48 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> I didn't realize the Pixel2 had no headphone jack;
...
> I hope you got that pixel at a good price, which is why I had bought the
> $200 Moto G and the $250 Nexus 4 (which morphed to the $350 Nexus 5).

Factory refurbished (it looked virgin) via ebay for $120 plus maybe $5 
for the earphone adapter.

I wasn't planning on getting a new phone, but my son bought the 64GB 
Pixel2 for $85 and I couldn't resist the price -- I was really impressed 
with its camera, which is what I use it for most.  We went out to see 
the poppies, and his pix were SOOOO much better than the Moto G5's that 
my mind was made up.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "I don't need instructions, I have a hammer."
			         -- T.W. Wier

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#73115

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 20:51:41 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:

>> I hope you got that pixel at a good price, which is why I had bought the
>> $200 Moto G and the $250 Nexus 4 (which morphed to the $350 Nexus 5).
> 
> Factory refurbished (it looked virgin) via ebay for $120 plus maybe $5 
> for the earphone adapter.

Hi The Real Bev,

If you like the phone, then $120 is a great price for a decent Android
device, where it's my observation that almost all consumer electronics gets
a. better
b. faster
c. cheaper
over time.

For example, you can get a decent Android phone for about $100 nowadays
(I love my $100 Moto G7, which has 64GB + 4GB + expansion for example).

> I wasn't planning on getting a new phone, but my son bought the 64GB 
> Pixel2 for $85 and I couldn't resist the price -- I was really impressed 
> with its camera, which is what I use it for most.  We went out to see 
> the poppies, and his pix were SOOOO much better than the Moto G5's that 
> my mind was made up.

It's great you love your phone, as I love mine also, but I don't care all
that much about the camera (I care about storage & software functionality).

Nonetheless, I don't disagree that the pixels seem to have good camera QOR,
where I looked up the DXOMark scores, which is the only independent outfit
I know of that tests most smartphones similarly (and which doesn't fall
sway to shilling clickbait or simply spitting out MARKETING brochures).

Here's the objectively tested comparison between the Pixel 2 & the G5:
o October 2017 Google Pixel 2 Camera score & review (99 back, 77 front)
<https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-2-reviewed-sets-new-record-smartphone-camera-quality/>

o January 2018 Motorola Moto G5S camera score & review (69 back)
<https://www.dxomark.com/motorola-moto-g5s-review-no-frills-mobile-imaging/>

$85 is a fantastic price for a smartphone, so I too would have bought it
even though it lacks the headphone jack, as I consider it a perfectly
logical choice to lose functionality but gain huge price advantages.

What I disagree with is what the idiotically gullible Apple customers fall
for, which is the "courageous" trick to both lose functionality & pay ever
increasingly ungodly higher prices for that lost-functionality smartphone.

The only way Apple can attain those ungodly profits is off gullible idiots.

Like you, I wasn't planning to get a new phone either, where I was
perfectly happy with my $130 LG Stylo 3 Plus from Costco; but one of my
gift recipients tried to cross a river and didn't bother removing the phone
from his pocket, so I gave him mine - and suddenly I was in the market for
a new Android phone.

Luckily, Google wanted to push its Fi Service, so on Black Friday of 2019,
they sold me the $300 Moto G7 for $100 but the catch was I needed to be on
Google Fi service (at $20/month pro rated) for at least one day, so I too
should tack on a ~$5 cost like you had to for your

I have a thread on this observation, where the only consumer electronics
that goes up in price and yet doesn't get all that much better is Apple
stuff. (The reason is simple: Apple MARKETING is the best on the planet.)

It's MARKETING's job to feed its gullible customer base enough bullshit
so that the customer will fund those ungodly huge profit margins.

Me? 

I bought iPads just to learn iOS (to help my family iOS owners).
o But the grandkids no longer are living with us, so nobody uses them.
-- 
Those iPads just sit on the shelf, collecting dust, they're that useless
compared to my $100 Android phone since they're so restricted by Apple.

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#73053

On 1/4/2021 9:55 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

<snip>

> I didn't realize the Pixel2 had no headphone jack;  I probably would 
> have bought it anyway, though, and I bought an adapter -- which I 
> haven't used yet.  The Pixel phone sound is fine, but music from the 
> speakers is ludicrous;  you'd think they would have put better speakers 
> in, but they didn't.  It's fine from the earphones, though.

Speakers on lower-end and mid-range phones tend to not be very good. I 
used to use an LG Stylo 3 Plus, it was okay but the speaker was poor and 
even though I wasn't doing gaming the phone lagged due to its slow 
processor in some uses, especially when Bluetooth was being used. As one 
reviewer wrote: "The two things I'm not crazy about  are the sound 
quality of the speaker... The speaker sounds very tinny/hollow.. if you 
listen to 1940's music it would sound great...anything else sounds very 
bad." Ironically, the flagship LG phones reportedly have the highest 
quality sound, better than Samsung and better than Apple, but of course 
no manufacturer wants to hurt sales of their flagship phones by making 
their budget phones too good.

Finding phones with both a headphone jack and a Micro SD card slot is 
becoming more difficult. I replaced my wife's Moto X4 with a Samsung 
S10E ($425) recently, and it still has both. Then my sister also wanted 
an S10E and found that the price had gone up significantly because it 
had been discontinued but was still in high demand. But she paid the 
price ($525) from her carrier to get it.

My sister said she wasn't picky then when I began asking her what 
features she wanted it became clear that she was actually quite picky 
because she expected the new phone to have all the features of her old 
Samsung Galaxy S7, and more. And she wanted a smallish phone while most 
Android flagships are largeish.

Her requirements:
   ● Works on Verizon (she lives in rural North Carolina and Verizon is 
the only carrier with adequate coverage).
   ● Fast charging
   ● Fingerprint Reader
   ● Micro SD card slot
   ● Headphone jack
   ● Stereo speakers
   ● NFC
   ● Good cameras
   ● "Smallish"

When I explained what the following were, she wanted those too, though 
none of them were absolute requirements:
   ● Wireless charging
   ● IP68
   ● Magnetic Secure Technology

What she never used was:
   ● FM Radio (though the S10E does have it)

A lot of lower-end phones leave off stuff like NFC, stereo speakers, and 
IP68 (or even IP67). Motorola is maddening with regards to NFC, they'll 
often include it in budget phones sold outside the U.S. and leave it off 
on versions sold in the U.S., models like the Moto G Stylus, G Power, G 
Fast. and G7 
<https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/10/18304664/motorola-moto-g7-power-play-review-budget-affordable-android-phones>. 
NFC is a feature that people care about a lot more these days due to the 
pandemic, but there are other advantages to it as well, since many 
credit cards give higher rewards for mobile wallet purchases than for 
physical card purchases.

Of course iPhones were out of the question since other than the SE 2020 
they lack a fingerprint reader, and none of them have memory card slots 
or headphone jacks. Personally, for a small phone I like the iPhone 12 
Mini despite these features not being present. With enough built-in 
memory the need for a MicroSD card is lessened (though there are still 
some advantages), and living with a dongle for analog headphones is 
annoying but not a deal breaker. The lack of a fingerprint reader is a 
real pain during these times with having to wear masks in stores, but 
this will be over hopefully in six months. The iPhone 13 will reportedly 
bring back fingerprint readers at least on some of the models 
<https://tech.hindustantimes.com/mobile/news/apple-may-bring-back-touchid-fingerprint-scanner-back-in-iphone-13-but-with-a-twist-71607863096832.html>.

My sister-in-law went from a Samsung Galaxy S7 to an iPhone 8 Plus a 
couple of years ago and complained incessantly over one Android feature 
that is missing from all iPhones: separate volume settings for ringer 
and notifications. She asked me to show her how to do this and after 
some research I found, incredibly, that it was not possible, other than 
doing a funky workaround of adding a ringtone that was at low-volume and 
using that when she needed to be able to get notifications but didn't 
want a loud ringer. She didn't believe me that it wasn't possible and 
went to an Apple Store and asked at the Genius Bar, but they gave her 
the same suggestion and told her that a lot of people have asked the 
same question! The answers at 
<https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/7fuz5t/apple_when_can_we_have_independend_volume/> 
were pretty funny. She still complains about it and I told her that she 
should just go back to Android if this is so important!

I'm beginning to be okay with losing the Micro SD card on flagship 
phones with lots of internal memory though having a large memory card is 
convenient in some situations regardless of internal memory.

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#73060

On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 08:24:14 -0800, sms wrote:

> Works on Verizon (she lives in rural North Carolina and Verizon is 
> the only carrier with adequate coverage).

  *Steve always slews wholly unsubstantiated MARKETING bullshit.*

Does sms get paid by Verizon to shill for them?

Steve throws this MARKETING bullshit into _every_ single phone thread
o It's as if Steve is paid by Verizon by the word to shill for them.

And yet, Steve's clearly dead wrong, which his own cites showed.
o Verizon has _barely_ better coverage than T-Mobile

Steve's own cites from yesterday concluded that rather strongly.
o Despite those facts which Steve, himself, cited...

  *Steve always slews wholly unsubstantiated MARKETING bullshit.*
-- 
What's sad is the bullshit Steve slews, all of it MARKETING crap.

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#73019

On 03/01/2021 21.12, Arlen Holder wrote:
> Plus, originally, it would just complain after 29 days
> o But later, it wiped out the offline maps after those 29 days expired

One year.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#73026

On 1/4/2021 1:14 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 03/01/2021 21.12, Arlen Holder wrote:
>> Plus, originally, it would just complain after 29 days
>> o But later, it wiped out the offline maps after those 29 days expired
> 
> One year.

Actually if you were doing offline mapping, to reduce data usage, it 
made sense to use a program like CoPilot or OSMAnd 
<https://osmand.net/>. Those maps don't expire.

What you lose is real-time traffic conditions. I used to use the offline 
mapping programs when traveling outside the U.S. but with data prices 
coming down so much it's no longer really necessary.

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