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| Started by | Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> |
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| First post | 2018-10-06 21:32 -0400 |
| Last post | 2018-10-07 20:09 -0700 |
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Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-06 21:32 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 13:40 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 08:30 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-07 15:20 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 15:58 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-10-07 18:54 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:27 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-07 20:55 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 21:06 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 19:40 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 19:02 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-08 14:49 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 04:33 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 07:22 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 16:38 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 12:49 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 20:01 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 19:48 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-10-10 02:55 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-10 04:19 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-10-10 10:41 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:45 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-10-10 16:50 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 08:24 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-10 11:27 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-10 18:08 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-10-10 17:58 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 14:14 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:50 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-11 12:00 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-10 18:06 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:00 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 07:51 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 09:31 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:53 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 09:38 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-11 10:11 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 21:49 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 22:39 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-11 19:47 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 01:38 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-12 10:20 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 12:25 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-12 14:51 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 14:56 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-12 15:18 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-12 19:02 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 17:35 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 18:47 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-12 19:59 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-13 02:46 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-13 09:42 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-14 10:14 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-14 11:39 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-14 17:05 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-14 18:30 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-12 06:59 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-11 12:33 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 15:46 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-11 10:11 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 22:23 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-11 20:01 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-13 13:13 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-13 16:32 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-15 14:39 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:38 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:04 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:59 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 08:46 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 14:08 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:07 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-09 18:48 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 15:43 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 08:16 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 23:09 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 14:46 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 12:51 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-11 14:03 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 19:12 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-11 18:02 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-12 14:01 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-13 15:14 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-13 10:07 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 20:23 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-10 04:18 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:35 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:11 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-11 04:25 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 15:50 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-10 10:24 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:06 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:34 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 15:28 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:47 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:11 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 07:51 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-09 16:53 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 20:09 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 07:08 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-09 16:53 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 20:10 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-09 19:11 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 14:49 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-10 04:36 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 14:59 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:21 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 13:39 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-10 07:44 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-11 02:30 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-11 04:35 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-11 07:51 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2018-10-11 10:44 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 19:19 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-12 01:46 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 01:52 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-12 14:11 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 08:36 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 08:50 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-12 12:19 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-13 13:17 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 11:17 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-12 11:26 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 15:10 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 19:32 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 20:08 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-08 06:30 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-08 15:49 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-10-08 10:39 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 07:24 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 15:09 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 21:31 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 20:09 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-08 03:45 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-08 03:40 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-08 15:56 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 07:32 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 16:45 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-09 13:32 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-09 20:12 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-09 19:22 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2018-10-10 12:01 +0300
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-10 15:16 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-10 04:38 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-08 07:47 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2018-10-07 13:04 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 17:28 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2018-10-07 18:50 +0100
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 18:48 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-07 20:26 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-07 20:27 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 18:48 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:34 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:46 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-07 19:13 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-10-08 10:46 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-08 14:52 +0000
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 15:17 -0400
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-07 14:23 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-08 03:48 +0200
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> - 2018-10-07 17:29 -0700
Re: Upgrading phone, which of these would you pick? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-10-07 20:09 -0700
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-12 14:01 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <t0f69f-vjg.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #56513 |
On 11/10/2018 20.02, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 11/10/2018 16.03, Frank Slootweg wrote: >>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>> On 10/10/2018 17.16, sms wrote: >>>>> On 10/10/2018 6:43 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I had my Spain SIM, and a T-Mobile SIM, with a number from Florida. I >>>>>> could phone anyone on Mexico, USA, or Canada, but my Canadian friends >>>>>> could not phone me because to them it was an international pone call. >>>>>> They could only text me. >>>>> >>>>> You mean that they were too cheap to pay for a call to the U.S. or >>>>> Spain? On Google Voice, calls to mobile phones in Spain are 3¢ per minute. >>>> >>>> That's assuming we had google voice. As it is, a call to Spain was a >>>> dollar or two per minute. >>>> >>>> I assume Google Voice uses "data", right? Some of my correspondents had >>>> a 2 GB/month data plan, so not a good idea to use google voice. >>> >>> Well, 2GB would buy them about 45 *hours* of talk [1]. Not really worth >>> worrying about, I would say. >> >> If that's all they do internet, yes >> >>>> I had unlimited data on USA, but capped at 5 GB on Canada. I think every >>>> SIM card I saw had that limitation. >>>> >>>> I could instead purchase an extension plan from T-Mobile to call Europe >>>> flat rate, much more practical. >>>> >>>> Still, calling me remained a problem, international rate for them. >>> >>> If they'd use - for example - Skype with Skype Credit, they could call >>> your US/Florida number at 3.4c/min (CAD). >>> >>> <https://secure.skype.com/calling-rates/United%20States?language=en#> >>> >>> (Hard to navigate: Search the country to be called in the top box. Set >>> the currency (below the top box). And then click 'See all rate' near the >>> bottom.) >>> >>> But of course that requires action on *their* (your Canadian friends') >>> side (Skype and $10 Skype Credit). >> >> Right. A technically minded person might do that. Average Joe wouldn't. >> >> I can not go to a shop for some thing or service and ask me to phone me >> to go there and collect what ever. The typical "I'll phone you when ready". > > I don't understand that paragraph at all. Can you please re-explain? Ok, I go to some shop and ask for something, some item. Or to repair something, some service done. "We don't have it now, but tell me your phone number and I'll call you the instant we get it, hopefully tomorrow". Well, I can't give them my Florida number because to them that's an international phone call... They expect to phone a local number at no cost to them. They can, though, text me instead at no cost. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-13 15:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ppt95r.af8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56541 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 11/10/2018 20.02, Frank Slootweg wrote: > > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> On 11/10/2018 16.03, Frank Slootweg wrote: > >>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >>>> On 10/10/2018 17.16, sms wrote: > >>>>> On 10/10/2018 6:43 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I had my Spain SIM, and a T-Mobile SIM, with a number from Florida. I > >>>>>> could phone anyone on Mexico, USA, or Canada, but my Canadian friends > >>>>>> could not phone me because to them it was an international pone call. > >>>>>> They could only text me. > >>>>> > >>>>> You mean that they were too cheap to pay for a call to the U.S. or > >>>>> Spain? On Google Voice, calls to mobile phones in Spain are 3¢ per minute. > >>>> > >>>> That's assuming we had google voice. As it is, a call to Spain was a > >>>> dollar or two per minute. > >>>> > >>>> I assume Google Voice uses "data", right? Some of my correspondents had > >>>> a 2 GB/month data plan, so not a good idea to use google voice. > >>> > >>> Well, 2GB would buy them about 45 *hours* of talk [1]. Not really worth > >>> worrying about, I would say. > >> > >> If that's all they do internet, yes > >> > >>>> I had unlimited data on USA, but capped at 5 GB on Canada. I think every > >>>> SIM card I saw had that limitation. > >>>> > >>>> I could instead purchase an extension plan from T-Mobile to call Europe > >>>> flat rate, much more practical. > >>>> > >>>> Still, calling me remained a problem, international rate for them. > >>> > >>> If they'd use - for example - Skype with Skype Credit, they could call > >>> your US/Florida number at 3.4c/min (CAD). > >>> > >>> <https://secure.skype.com/calling-rates/United%20States?language=en#> > >>> > >>> (Hard to navigate: Search the country to be called in the top box. Set > >>> the currency (below the top box). And then click 'See all rate' near the > >>> bottom.) > >>> > >>> But of course that requires action on *their* (your Canadian friends') > >>> side (Skype and $10 Skype Credit). > >> > >> Right. A technically minded person might do that. Average Joe wouldn't. > >> > >> I can not go to a shop for some thing or service and ask me to phone me > >> to go there and collect what ever. The typical "I'll phone you when ready". > > > > I don't understand that paragraph at all. Can you please re-explain? > > Ok, I go to some shop and ask for something, some item. Or to repair > something, some service done. "We don't have it now, but tell me your > phone number and I'll call you the instant we get it, hopefully > tomorrow". Well, I can't give them my Florida number because to them > that's an international phone call... They expect to phone a local > number at no cost to them. > > They can, though, text me instead at no cost. Ah, I see! First it was your Canadian friends. Now you it's something else. You're not by any chance a new nym of our dear friend 'Arlen'!? Just kidding! Thanks for the explanation.
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-13 10:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ppt8o9$v17$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56614 |
On 10/13/2018 8:14 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote: <snip> I wrote something up for my U.S. friends and family regarding minimizing costs while traveling outside the U.S.. Some of it applies in general to other countries. It's in Google Docs. <https://docs.google.com/document/d/16Iv7dUGsrLNaoykWhJ9cW7PwSTFNRHQPC2hQ8p4hL4E> The company called "Localphone" offers some good solutions for call forwarding to foreign numbers from local numbers, including renting out local numbers, on a monthly basis, in many countries, which then can be forwarded to numbers in almost any country. You'd pay the per minute cost for people calling your local number, based on calling from the U.S., but the rates are pretty low.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-09 20:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ppjrc9$5ve$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56437 |
On 10/09/2018 04:48 PM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
> On 10/9/2018 2:01 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> Maybe you need one with two SIM cards. That's what I used when I
>> travelled to Canada: one card from my Spain company, another from
>> T-Mobile that I got via Amazon before departing. Otherwise, the cost of
>> phoning abroad can be prohibitive:-(
>>
>> Or have two phones.
>
> The dual-SIM phones aren't really provided by the carriers over here,
> obviously since they expect you to stay on just one SIM -- theirs! But
> you can buy dual-SIM phones online. But that's not really a huge issue,
> I'm used to changing the SIM when I travel between countries.
I read somewhere that some of the phones use the second SIM slot for the
external SD card. Can they fit in the same slot? I'd like to use one
SIM slot for the T-Mobile $10/year SIM, the other for the Freedompop
free data SIM, and a separate slot for a 64GB micro sdcard. Possible?
--
Cheers, Bev
Horn broken. Watch for finger.
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| From | Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-10 04:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <4vOdnbxFDolOKCDGnZ2dnUU7-dednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #56440 |
On 10/9/2018 11:23 PM, The Real Bev wrote: > I read somewhere that some of the phones use the second SIM slot for the > external SD card. Can they fit in the same slot? I'd like to use one > SIM slot for the T-Mobile $10/year SIM, the other for the Freedompop > free data SIM, and a separate slot for a 64GB micro sdcard. Possible? That's not possible, the two slots are completely different.
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-10 07:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ppl2o8$iuk$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56442 |
On 10/10/2018 1:18 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote: > On 10/9/2018 11:23 PM, The Real Bev wrote: >> I read somewhere that some of the phones use the second SIM slot for >> the external SD card. Can they fit in the same slot? I'd like to >> use one SIM slot for the T-Mobile $10/year SIM, the other for the >> Freedompop free data SIM, and a separate slot for a 64GB micro >> sdcard. Possible? > > That's not possible, the two slots are completely different. A nano SIM slot a MicroSD slot ar the same size and they put in the contacts for both types of cards. A great many dual-SIM phones share the second SIM slot with a MicroSD card.
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| From | Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-11 02:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <wvudnQhB7bYNdCPGnZ2dnUU7-V3NnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #56459 |
On 10/10/2018 10:35 AM, sms wrote: > A nano SIM slot a MicroSD slot ar the same size and they put in the > contacts for both types of cards. A great many dual-SIM phones share the > second SIM slot with a MicroSD card. Well, then that's something I'm going to have to make sure doesn't happen. I have started looking at dual-SIM phones just for the kicks, since corresponding on this group. If the 2nd SIM just takes the place of the microSD, then that simply won't do, as I have a need for a separate SD slot. Yousuf Khan
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-11 04:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ppnbvs$h8r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56482 |
On 10/10/2018 11:11 PM, Yousuf Khan wrote: > On 10/10/2018 10:35 AM, sms wrote: >> A nano SIM slot a MicroSD slot ar the same size and they put in the >> contacts for both types of cards. A great many dual-SIM phones share >> the second SIM slot with a MicroSD card. > > Well, then that's something I'm going to have to make sure doesn't > happen. I have started looking at dual-SIM phones just for the kicks, > since corresponding on this group. If the 2nd SIM just takes the place > of the microSD, then that simply won't do, as I have a need for a > separate SD slot. I agree. Right now I'd probably buy the Galaxy A8+ Plus 2018 SM-A730F/DS 64GB has new bands 12 & 66, and keeps the separate MicroSD card slot. Not for Verizon or Sprint. <https://www.ebay.com/itm/142659170135?> I wish that B&H Photo carried the 64GB model since they warranty their gray market phones themselves while on eBay it might be a good idea to get the SquareTrade warranty. 32GB model at BHPhoto <https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1390096-REG>
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-10 15:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <pmc19f-odt.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #56440 |
On 10/10/2018 05.23, The Real Bev wrote: > On 10/09/2018 04:48 PM, Yousuf Khan wrote: >> On 10/9/2018 2:01 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> Maybe you need one with two SIM cards. That's what I used when I >>> travelled to Canada: one card from my Spain company, another from >>> T-Mobile that I got via Amazon before departing. Otherwise, the cost of >>> phoning abroad can be prohibitive:-( >>> >>> Or have two phones. >> >> The dual-SIM phones aren't really provided by the carriers over here, >> obviously since they expect you to stay on just one SIM -- theirs! But >> you can buy dual-SIM phones online. But that's not really a huge issue, >> I'm used to changing the SIM when I travel between countries. > > I read somewhere that some of the phones use the second SIM slot for the > external SD card. Can they fit in the same slot? I'd like to use one > SIM slot for the T-Mobile $10/year SIM, the other for the Freedompop > free data SIM, and a separate slot for a 64GB micro sdcard. Possible? No, the slots are not the same. Similar, but not the same. And the card holder is really delicate, it can break easily. So don't try to force the card into the wrong one or the wrong position. Don't laugh, it happened to me: on my phone one sim faces left, the other right. My eyesight is not as good as it was and I thought I had to force the issue. Grrr. It might be possible to integrate both card holders in one, I think. One facing up, the other down, perhaps. If such a gadget exists, they would have to clearly say so. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-10 10:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <101020181024511543%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #56456 |
In article <pmc19f-odt.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > > I read somewhere that some of the phones use the second SIM slot for the > > external SD card. Can they fit in the same slot? I'd like to use one > > SIM slot for the T-Mobile $10/year SIM, the other for the Freedompop > > free data SIM, and a separate slot for a 64GB micro sdcard. Possible? > > No, the slots are not the same. Similar, but not the same. And the card > holder is really delicate, it can break easily. So don't try to force > the card into the wrong one or the wrong position. Don't laugh, it > happened to me: on my phone one sim faces left, the other right. My > eyesight is not as good as it was and I thought I had to force the > issue. Grrr. > > It might be possible to integrate both card holders in one, I think. One > facing up, the other down, perhaps. > > If such a gadget exists, they would have to clearly say so. it does exist, known as a hybrid sim slot. <https://i0.wp.com/thetechhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hybrid-s im-slot.jpg> <https://www.quora.com/What-does-a-hybrid-sim-slot-mean> Hybrid dual SIM slot is a smartphone technology which is being used by many mobile makers around the world in the new flagship smartphones. Instead of providing 3 separate slots (2 for SIM¹s and 1 for Memory Card), the makers now provide only two slots. Out of these 2 slots, 1 slot is used for SIM while the second slot is used as either SIM or SD Card. In short, a user has two options for the second slot (what kind of slot you want).
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-11 13:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ten39f-jru.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #56457 |
On 10/10/2018 16.24, nospam wrote: > In article <pmc19f-odt.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. > <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >>> I read somewhere that some of the phones use the second SIM slot for the >>> external SD card. Can they fit in the same slot? I'd like to use one >>> SIM slot for the T-Mobile $10/year SIM, the other for the Freedompop >>> free data SIM, and a separate slot for a 64GB micro sdcard. Possible? >> >> No, the slots are not the same. Similar, but not the same. And the card >> holder is really delicate, it can break easily. So don't try to force >> the card into the wrong one or the wrong position. Don't laugh, it >> happened to me: on my phone one sim faces left, the other right. My >> eyesight is not as good as it was and I thought I had to force the >> issue. Grrr. >> >> It might be possible to integrate both card holders in one, I think. One >> facing up, the other down, perhaps. >> >> If such a gadget exists, they would have to clearly say so. > > it does exist, known as a hybrid sim slot. > > <https://i0.wp.com/thetechhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/hybrid-s > im-slot.jpg> > > <https://www.quora.com/What-does-a-hybrid-sim-slot-mean> > Hybrid dual SIM slot is a smartphone technology which is being used > by many mobile makers around the world in the new flagship > smartphones. Instead of providing 3 separate slots (2 for SIM¹s and 1 > for Memory Card), the makers now provide only two slots. Out of these > 2 slots, 1 slot is used for SIM while the second slot is used as > either SIM or SD Card. In short, a user has two options for the > second slot (what kind of slot you want). > Interesting. I think I prefer the three slot system :-) -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-10 07:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ppl2lh$iuk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56440 |
On 10/9/2018 8:23 PM, The Real Bev wrote: > On 10/09/2018 04:48 PM, Yousuf Khan wrote: >> On 10/9/2018 2:01 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> Maybe you need one with two SIM cards. That's what I used when I >>> travelled to Canada: one card from my Spain company, another from >>> T-Mobile that I got via Amazon before departing. Otherwise, the cost of >>> phoning abroad can be prohibitive:-( >>> >>> Or have two phones. >> >> The dual-SIM phones aren't really provided by the carriers over here, >> obviously since they expect you to stay on just one SIM -- theirs! But >> you can buy dual-SIM phones online. But that's not really a huge issue, >> I'm used to changing the SIM when I travel between countries. > > I read somewhere that some of the phones use the second SIM slot for the > external SD card. Can they fit in the same slot? I'd like to use one > SIM slot for the T-Mobile $10/year SIM, the other for the Freedompop > free data SIM, and a separate slot for a 64GB micro sdcard. Possible? Some of them have three slots, 2 SIM slots and one Micro SD slot. I wouldn't buy one of the ones that have the shared second slot. I was just in China two weeks ago. I brought two phones with me. One had a KnowRoaming Global SIM with a U.S. number. One had a data-only Hong Kong China Unicom SIM. Using Google Voice for voice and text I could have gotten by with one phone but before going I didn't know how well the data-only SIM would work, and I thought that I might need a phone with an actual phone number. I already had the KnowRoaming SIM from a previous trip with an existing balance.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-10 15:28 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mcb19f-6ds.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #56437 |
On 10/10/2018 01.48, Yousuf Khan wrote: > On 10/9/2018 2:01 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> Maybe you need one with two SIM cards. That's what I used when I >> travelled to Canada: one card from my Spain company, another from >> T-Mobile that I got via Amazon before departing. Otherwise, the cost of >> phoning abroad can be prohibitive:-( >> >> Or have two phones. > > The dual-SIM phones aren't really provided by the carriers over here, > obviously since they expect you to stay on just one SIM -- theirs! But > you can buy dual-SIM phones online. But that's not really a huge issue, > I'm used to changing the SIM when I travel between countries. The advantage is that you know who wants to contact you "back home" (even if you don't answer). Or that apps like WhatsApp continue working on the same number, while using the network of the local provider. Ie, on arrival to destination (or on the plane) you disable the data network of your original SIM, and enable that of the second SIM. You can receive or make calls on either. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-10 07:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ppl3da$m7i$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56454 |
On 10/10/2018 6:28 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 10/10/2018 01.48, Yousuf Khan wrote: >> On 10/9/2018 2:01 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> Maybe you need one with two SIM cards. That's what I used when I >>> travelled to Canada: one card from my Spain company, another from >>> T-Mobile that I got via Amazon before departing. Otherwise, the cost of >>> phoning abroad can be prohibitive:-( >>> >>> Or have two phones. >> >> The dual-SIM phones aren't really provided by the carriers over here, >> obviously since they expect you to stay on just one SIM -- theirs! But >> you can buy dual-SIM phones online. But that's not really a huge issue, >> I'm used to changing the SIM when I travel between countries. > > The advantage is that you know who wants to contact you "back home" > (even if you don't answer). Or that apps like WhatsApp continue working > on the same number, while using the network of the local provider. > > Ie, on arrival to destination (or on the plane) you disable the data > network of your original SIM, and enable that of the second SIM. You can > receive or make calls on either. Note that the newest iPhones all have one eSIM and one physical SIM. So all of a sudden, a huge number of U.S. new phone sales are essentially dual-SIM if the carrier uses the e-SIM.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-11 13:11 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <cnn39f-u1v.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #56463 |
On 10/10/2018 16.47, sms wrote: > On 10/10/2018 6:28 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 10/10/2018 01.48, Yousuf Khan wrote: >>> On 10/9/2018 2:01 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> Maybe you need one with two SIM cards. That's what I used when I >>>> travelled to Canada: one card from my Spain company, another from >>>> T-Mobile that I got via Amazon before departing. Otherwise, the cost of >>>> phoning abroad can be prohibitive:-( >>>> >>>> Or have two phones. >>> >>> The dual-SIM phones aren't really provided by the carriers over here, >>> obviously since they expect you to stay on just one SIM -- theirs! But >>> you can buy dual-SIM phones online. But that's not really a huge issue, >>> I'm used to changing the SIM when I travel between countries. >> >> The advantage is that you know who wants to contact you "back home" >> (even if you don't answer). Or that apps like WhatsApp continue working >> on the same number, while using the network of the local provider. >> >> Ie, on arrival to destination (or on the plane) you disable the data >> network of your original SIM, and enable that of the second SIM. You can >> receive or make calls on either. > > Note that the newest iPhones all have one eSIM and one physical SIM. So > all of a sudden, a huge number of U.S. new phone sales are essentially > dual-SIM if the carrier uses the e-SIM. > Google "what is an eSIM" An eSIM is a SIM-card that is embedded in the mobile device. ... An eSIM will come in the form of an integrated SIM chip that cannot and need not be removed from a device. The eSIM is sometimes called an eUICC (embedded Universal Circuit Card). The information on the eSIM will be compliant and rewritable by all operators. http://www.telecomabc.com/e/esim.html The driver for eSIM comes from the difficulty to change a SIM card in M2M devices, such as smart meters. Interesting. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-11 07:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <111020180751090109%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #56488 |
In article <cnn39f-u1v.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > Google "what is an eSIM" > > An eSIM is a SIM-card that is embedded in the mobile device. ... An eSIM > will come in the form of an integrated SIM chip that cannot and need not > be removed from a device. The eSIM is sometimes called an eUICC > (embedded Universal Circuit Card). The information on the eSIM will be > compliant and rewritable by all operators. > > http://www.telecomabc.com/e/esim.html > > The driver for eSIM comes from the difficulty to change a SIM card in > M2M devices, such as smart meters. there's no need to change a sim in a smart meter. the benefit of an esim is that it doesn't take up precious space in a space-constrained mobile device, particularly wearables. it can also be configured on the fly, particularly iot devices. it also gives power back to the consumer to easily switch mobile phone carriers whenever they want rather than obtain a physical sim.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-09 16:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ppitek.dss.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56402 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 08/10/2018 16.49, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On 10/7/2018 3:40 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >>> See my response to the OP. He probably lives in the US. If so, you are
> >>> right about how things 'work' - FSVSVO 'work' - in the US, for a phone
> >>> provided by a telephone company.
> >>
> >> Canada actually, but the system is similar here as in the States. It's
> >> the phone service provider that provides any updates for the phone.
> >
> > Out of interest: How do you *know* the phone service provider provides
> > the updates?
> >
> > Don't you - explicitly or implicitly - do a 'Check for updates' on
> > your phone and the phone does or doesn't download/install an update?
> >
> > How do you *know* *where* the update comes from? How do you *know*
> > that your phone does *not* connect to a server of the manufacturer,
> > but to a server of the phone service provider?
>
> I don't :-)
>
> What I know is that certain application that came installed with the
> phone, and has the name of my ISP on it, is still there when I do the
> upgrade and can not be removed. Who feeds the upgrade to me doesn't
> matter much, but that ISP provided phone will not upgrade unless both
> manufacturer and ISP agree on creating the upgrade, so that it keeps the
> factory supplied ISP app.
Yes, that's indeed not definitive proof. One could *assume* that it
connects to your network provider ('ISP' is something else), because
your network provider's name is on the app, but it's not proof.
For example, I have a Telstra (Australian network provider) branded
phone, which is a Huawei phone. It mumbles about 'Telstra' when it
starts up, yet its 'Check for updates' function does not say anything
about Telstra, but *does* use Huawei terminology ('EMUI'). So I assume
that it connects to Huawei's server, but also I have no proof, unless I
do a network trace.
> Which poses an interesting (for me) question. I was recently in Canada
> and it was close to impossible to buy a free phone, not linked to a
> telephone company and a plan. At places like Walmart or Best Buy there
> were just three or four *old* free models, and many non free models.
> Why? In Spain it is the reverse. Just curious...
>
> In fact, if I went to the Motorola.ca web site, selected a model, then
> clicked on where to buy, it took me to an ISP site, not to a free shop.
Yeah, silly people! :-) First I thought it was only the US. The
Canucks should *really* take care of their border, too much bad things
come from the south! :-)
Normally I would advise to buy a cheap phone-with-SIM-and-plan and use
the SIM/plan in/with a non-SIM-locked phone, but apparantly things are
also locked the other way around, i.e. not only is the phone locked to a
network provider, but also is the SIM locked to *that* phone.
Oh well, eventually they will join the rest of the world and do things
the sane way.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-09 20:09 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <df7v8f-l0d.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #56421 |
On 09/10/2018 18.53, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 08/10/2018 16.49, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/7/2018 3:40 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>> See my response to the OP. He probably lives in the US. If so, you are
>>>>> right about how things 'work' - FSVSVO 'work' - in the US, for a phone
>>>>> provided by a telephone company.
>>>>
>>>> Canada actually, but the system is similar here as in the States. It's
>>>> the phone service provider that provides any updates for the phone.
>>>
>>> Out of interest: How do you *know* the phone service provider provides
>>> the updates?
>>>
>>> Don't you - explicitly or implicitly - do a 'Check for updates' on
>>> your phone and the phone does or doesn't download/install an update?
>>>
>>> How do you *know* *where* the update comes from? How do you *know*
>>> that your phone does *not* connect to a server of the manufacturer,
>>> but to a server of the phone service provider?
>>
>> I don't :-)
>>
>> What I know is that certain application that came installed with the
>> phone, and has the name of my ISP on it, is still there when I do the
>> upgrade and can not be removed. Who feeds the upgrade to me doesn't
>> matter much, but that ISP provided phone will not upgrade unless both
>> manufacturer and ISP agree on creating the upgrade, so that it keeps the
>> factory supplied ISP app.
>
> Yes, that's indeed not definitive proof. One could *assume* that it
> connects to your network provider ('ISP' is something else), because
> your network provider's name is on the app, but it's not proof.
Maybe you misunderstand.
That particular app can not be removed, ie, it is on the firmware, which
possibly means it is added by the phone manufacturer under contract from
the phone company. To get upgrades they also need another contract for
the manufacturer to add again that application (updated).
If the phone company does not renew the contract, you do not get the
upgrade that owners of the free version of the same phone do.
Before smartphones the customization came with the SIM, I believe. Oh,
and locking the phone to that or similar branded SIM. But I do not
believe they can add apps on the SIM, do they?
>
> For example, I have a Telstra (Australian network provider) branded
> phone, which is a Huawei phone. It mumbles about 'Telstra' when it
> starts up, yet its 'Check for updates' function does not say anything
> about Telstra, but *does* use Huawei terminology ('EMUI'). So I assume
> that it connects to Huawei's server, but also I have no proof, unless I
> do a network trace.
>
>> Which poses an interesting (for me) question. I was recently in Canada
>> and it was close to impossible to buy a free phone, not linked to a
>> telephone company and a plan. At places like Walmart or Best Buy there
>> were just three or four *old* free models, and many non free models.
>> Why? In Spain it is the reverse. Just curious...
>>
>> In fact, if I went to the Motorola.ca web site, selected a model, then
>> clicked on where to buy, it took me to an ISP site, not to a free shop.
>
> Yeah, silly people! :-) First I thought it was only the US. The
> Canucks should *really* take care of their border, too much bad things
> come from the south! :-)
>
> Normally I would advise to buy a cheap phone-with-SIM-and-plan and use
> the SIM/plan in/with a non-SIM-locked phone, but apparantly things are
> also locked the other way around, i.e. not only is the phone locked to a
> network provider, but also is the SIM locked to *that* phone.
>
> Oh well, eventually they will join the rest of the world and do things
> the sane way.
Oh, well... :-)
--
Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-09 07:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <uOmdnWUeqdeHESHGnZ2dnUU7-TPNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #56378 |
On 10/8/2018 10:49 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Out of interest: How do you*know* the phone service provider provides > the updates? > > Don't you - explicitly or implicitly - do a 'Check for updates' on > your phone and the phone does or doesn't download/install an update? > > How do you*know* *where* the update comes from? How do you*know* > that your phone does*not* connect to a server of the manufacturer, > but to a server of the phone service provider? Because I directly tested this out myself several years ago. My wife and I had identical phones from the same manufacturer, and we are with the same service provider. The only difference was that I bought mine directly from the manufacturer's online store, while she bought hers through the service provider's plan. My phone received far more OS updates than hers. Yousuf Khan
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-10-09 16:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ppis7q.c04.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56410 |
Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote: > On 10/8/2018 10:49 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote: > > Out of interest: How do you*know* the phone service provider provides > > the updates? > > > > Don't you - explicitly or implicitly - do a 'Check for updates' on > > your phone and the phone does or doesn't download/install an update? > > > > How do you*know* *where* the update comes from? How do you*know* > > that your phone does*not* connect to a server of the manufacturer, > > but to a server of the phone service provider? > > Because I directly tested this out myself several years ago. My wife and > I had identical phones from the same manufacturer, and we are with the > same service provider. The only difference was that I bought mine > directly from the manufacturer's online store, while she bought hers > through the service provider's plan. My phone received far more OS > updates than hers. Did your test *specifically say* that it was connecting to your *phone service provider's* server? If not, how do you *know* - not assume - it did? For example, if I do a 'Check for updates' on my phone, it just does its thing and says 'No updates'. So it does not say to whose server it connects, phone manufacturer or network provider [1]. [1] *I* know that it's not connecting to my 'network provider', because I have several SIMs/network-providers and hence the phone is not tied to any particular network-provider.
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