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  Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-15 17:55 +0000
    Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-15 13:58 -0400
      Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-16 18:11 +0000
        Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-16 14:40 -0400
          Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-16 19:30 +0000
            Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-16 15:42 -0400
            Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-16 19:47 +0000
            Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 13:23 -0700
              Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 04:50 +0000
                Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 22:55 -0700
                  Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 06:32 +0000
                    Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 12:09 -0700
                      Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 17:20 -0400
                        Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 01:40 +0000
                          Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 21:48 -0400
                Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? AL <noemail@none.invalid.com> - 2016-09-16 23:23 -0700
                Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-19 18:07 -0400
            Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-17 21:25 +0200
              Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-17 19:59 +0000
            Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-09-19 15:16 -0700
        Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-09-17 22:56 +1000
          Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 01:40 +0000
            Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-09-18 16:51 +1000
              Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 07:31 +0000
                Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2016-09-26 10:08 -0500
            Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-19 21:42 +0200
              Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-19 17:52 -0400
                Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-20 08:25 +0200
                  Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-20 14:11 +0000
        Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-17 21:21 +0200
          Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 01:40 +0000
    Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-15 11:29 -0700
      Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-16 18:19 +0000
        Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-09-16 21:18 -0500
    Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-17 21:19 +0200
    Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-19 18:03 -0400

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#34259 — Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi?

A friend asked me because I have free phone lines (e.g., Sideline, Google 
Voice/Hangouts, etc.) but *all* my equipment already has a SIM card.

Is there a way to get free telephone on GSM Android (tablets or phones) 
WITHOUT putting a SIM card into the phone?

Does it work on WiFi without a SIM card?

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#34260

In article <nrenaa$1pra$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:

> A friend asked me because I have free phone lines (e.g., Sideline, Google 
> Voice/Hangouts, etc.) but *all* my equipment already has a SIM card.
> 
> Is there a way to get free telephone on GSM Android (tablets or phones) 
> WITHOUT putting a SIM card into the phone?

voip works over wifi

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#34292

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:58:21 -0400, nospam wrote:

> voip works over wifi

My fault for not being clear that a legitimate phone number was the goal.
Both sending & receiving POTS calls, for example.

Can VOIP receive a POTS call?
That is, does VOIP give you a real phone number of the format:
 1-800-555-1212

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#34295

In article <nrhcla$1ta9$3@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:

> 
> > voip works over wifi
> 
> My fault for not being clear that a legitimate phone number was the goal.

voip provides a legitimate phone number.

> Both sending & receiving POTS calls, for example.

yep.

> Can VOIP receive a POTS call?

seriously?? 

do you even know what voip *is* ?

> That is, does VOIP give you a real phone number of the format:
>  1-800-555-1212

that number is already taken.

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#34302

On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:40:08 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> My fault for not being clear that a legitimate phone number was the goal.
> 
> voip provides a legitimate phone number.

Either you don't understand the question, or you are just being cryptic for
no good reason.

I've seen this behavior from you so many times, that I've learned the
following:

5% of the time, you actually know what you're talking about.
5% of the time, you don't actually *understand* the question.
90% of the time you're just being duplicitous (for whatever pleasure it
gives you).

The point is that a real phone number is required for this to work.

I have Ooma and many of my friends and relatives have Vonage, but we're not
talking about physical phones - so - you must understand that physical VOIP
is not the question.

We're talking about using a GSM moboile phone WITHOUT the SIM card yet
still getting, for free, a real phone number that calls other phone numbers
and that receives calls from other phone numbers, for free.

Of course on WiFi, that GSM device (with or without a SIM card) can make
calls *to a computer* and it can receive calls *from a computer* but we
were never talking about *that* type of VOIP.


>> Both sending & receiving POTS calls, for example.
> 
> yep.
> 
>> Can VOIP receive a POTS call?
> 
> seriously?? 
> 
> do you even know what voip *is* ?

I have *plenty* of VOIP device, e.g., I use Ooma all the time and I have
hangouts/gv on my iPads which can send and receive both calls and SMS for
free to and from POTS lines.

But I have a SIM card in *all* my mobile devices.
I'm asking if this can be done *without* a SIM card.
 
>> That is, does VOIP give you a real phone number of the format:
>>  1-800-555-1212
> 
> that number is already taken.

Here's one of the times where you don't even understand the simplest of
questions. If you can't understand a 555-1212 foo-style example, then
you're *never* gonna understand the complexities of this question.

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#34306

In article <nrhh8l$57i$4@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:

> 
> >> My fault for not being clear that a legitimate phone number was the goal.
> > 
> > voip provides a legitimate phone number.
> 
> Either you don't understand the question, or you are just being cryptic for
> no good reason.

or that you're *totally* clueless.

> I've seen this behavior from you so many times, that I've learned the
> following:
> 
> 5% of the time, you actually know what you're talking about.
> 5% of the time, you don't actually *understand* the question.
> 90% of the time you're just being duplicitous (for whatever pleasure it
> gives you).

what i've seen from you is that you have no fucking clue about pretty
much everything and instead of learning something new, you just go off
on a rant.

> The point is that a real phone number is required for this to work.
> 
> I have Ooma and many of my friends and relatives have Vonage, but we're not
> talking about physical phones - so - you must understand that physical VOIP
> is not the question.

i never said it was the question.

i said voip is the *answer*.

> We're talking about using a GSM moboile phone WITHOUT the SIM card yet
> still getting, for free, a real phone number that calls other phone numbers
> and that receives calls from other phone numbers, for free.

no shit.

> Of course on WiFi, that GSM device (with or without a SIM card) can make
> calls *to a computer* and it can receive calls *from a computer* but we
> were never talking about *that* type of VOIP.

i'm talking about the other type of voip.

you're *so* lost.
 
> >> Both sending & receiving POTS calls, for example.
> > 
> > yep.
> > 
> >> Can VOIP receive a POTS call?
> > 
> > seriously?? 
> > 
> > do you even know what voip *is* ?
> 
> I have *plenty* of VOIP device, e.g., I use Ooma all the time and I have
> hangouts/gv on my iPads which can send and receive both calls and SMS for
> free to and from POTS lines.
> 
> But I have a SIM card in *all* my mobile devices.
> I'm asking if this can be done *without* a SIM card.

in other words, you don't know what voip actually is.

you just think you do.

> >> That is, does VOIP give you a real phone number of the format:
> >>  1-800-555-1212
> > 
> > that number is already taken.
> 
> Here's one of the times where you don't even understand the simplest of
> questions. If you can't understand a 555-1212 foo-style example, then
> you're *never* gonna understand the complexities of this question.

*whoooooooosh*

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#34307

Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>... oops I mean "Aardvarks"... oops I
mean "Paul M. Cook"... oops I mean "VPN User"... oops I mean "Joe
Clock"... oops I mean "Marob Katon" ...  oops I mean "Chris Rangoon"...
Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote:

[...]

> We're talking about using a GSM moboile phone WITHOUT the SIM card yet
> still getting, for free, a real phone number that calls other phone numbers
> and that receives calls from other phone numbers, for free.

  Leave out the "GSM" bit or replace it with something else. By using it
(several times) in this context, you're - once more - showing that you
don't know what you're talking about.

  As to your question: With a proper setup, you don't need a SIM and if
there's a SIM in the device, it's not used.

  Clue-by-four: Why don't you take the SIM out of your device and see
what happens? IOW, why endlessly whinge about something you can test
yourself in a few minutes?

  Next non-issue.

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#34311

On 09/16/2016 12:30 PM, Horace Algier wrote:

> I have Ooma and many of my friends and relatives have Vonage, but we're not
> talking about physical phones - so - you must understand that physical VOIP
> is not the question.

Ooma is lovely, but I've never been able to convince any of our friends 
to get one.  ~$4/month.  We let the first year of free premium service 
lapse because it just didn't seem that useful to us.

Add a Sentry anti-telemarker device for ~$57 and life gets a LOT better. 
  Robocalls are killed automatically, along with the numbers of known 
national telemarketers.  Local telemarketers are requested to hang up, 
and we never hear the phone ring.  Humans have to press 0 to be 
connected, and are immediately whitelisted.  We've only had one lying 
telemarketer  ("Hi, this is Jim, do you remember we were talking about 
gold a few months ago..."), who we immediately blacklisted.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    A spokesperson for 60s band 'the animals' has today made a
    public apology saying they were mistaken and there isn't a
    house in New Orleans after all.

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#34329

On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:23:34 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

>> I have Ooma and many of my friends and relatives have Vonage, but we're not
>> talking about physical phones - so - you must understand that physical VOIP
>> is not the question.
> 
> Ooma is lovely, but I've never been able to convince any of our friends 
> to get one.  ~$4/month.  We let the first year of free premium service 
> lapse because it just didn't seem that useful to us.

What I think is funny is that I also try to get others to use Ooma. 
Basically, you get service forever for the price of tax.

The device costs about $150 but Costco has it on sale a lot (or at least
they used to).

I also let the premium lapse. It only gave me the option to *conference*
but I can already do that with my cellphone, so, it's not a big loss.

> Add a Sentry anti-telemarker device for ~$57 and life gets a LOT better. 

I never give out my phone number, so I never get telemarketer calls.

>   Robocalls are killed automatically, along with the numbers of known 
> national telemarketers.  Local telemarketers are requested to hang up, 
> and we never hear the phone ring.  Humans have to press 0 to be 
> connected, and are immediately whitelisted.  We've only had one lying 
> telemarketer  ("Hi, this is Jim, do you remember we were talking about 
> gold a few months ago..."), who we immediately blacklisted.

BTW, *four* people I know have used the Ooma ploy to *halve* their Vonage
bill.

For whatever reason, they stick to Vonage because they *think* Ooma will go
out of business. If Ooma goes out of business *after* one year, they still
win, but math is lost on them.

ANyway, at least they can *halve* their Vonage bill, simply by *telling*
Vonage they're gonna go to Oooma. *Instantly* Vonage offers to half the
bill from something like 30-something a month to about 15 or so a month.

Worked four times in a row so far ... 

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#34334

On 09/16/2016 09:50 PM, Horace Algier wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:23:34 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>>> I have Ooma and many of my friends and relatives have Vonage, but we're not
>>> talking about physical phones - so - you must understand that physical VOIP
>>> is not the question.
>>
>> Ooma is lovely, but I've never been able to convince any of our friends
>> to get one.  ~$4/month.  We let the first year of free premium service
>> lapse because it just didn't seem that useful to us.
>
> What I think is funny is that I also try to get others to use Ooma.
> Basically, you get service forever for the price of tax.
>
> The device costs about $150 but Costco has it on sale a lot (or at least
> they used to).

I think it was $100 when we bought it from Costco.  Every once in a 
while Ooma sends me an offer for  $20 providing I get a friend to buy a 
unit at $20 off -- generally $80 or $90.  I post that too, but nobody 
ever takes me up on it.  They don't even have to say I referred them, 
but NOOOO!

> I also let the premium lapse. It only gave me the option to *conference*
> but I can already do that with my cellphone, so, it's not a big loss.
>
>> Add a Sentry anti-telemarker device for ~$57 and life gets a LOT better.
>
> I never give out my phone number, so I never get telemarketer calls.

We've had the same phone number since 1959, so we're in LOTS of lists. 
Recently most of them were for local home remodeling businesses, but now 
it's just <crickets> all day!

>>   Robocalls are killed automatically, along with the numbers of known
>> national telemarketers.  Local telemarketers are requested to hang up,
>> and we never hear the phone ring.  Humans have to press 0 to be
>> connected, and are immediately whitelisted.  We've only had one lying
>> telemarketer  ("Hi, this is Jim, do you remember we were talking about
>> gold a few months ago..."), who we immediately blacklisted.
>
> BTW, *four* people I know have used the Ooma ploy to *halve* their Vonage
> bill.

We canceled AT&T (~$30 just for LOCAL calls, no LD at all) when we got 
the Ooma.  GOD I hate AT&T.

> For whatever reason, they stick to Vonage because they *think* Ooma will go
> out of business. If Ooma goes out of business *after* one year, they still
> win, but math is lost on them.

Fear does strange things.

> ANyway, at least they can *halve* their Vonage bill, simply by *telling*
> Vonage they're gonna go to Oooma. *Instantly* Vonage offers to half the
> bill from something like 30-something a month to about 15 or so a month.
>
> Worked four times in a row so far ...

We have to haggle with Charter to get their "introductory" rate.  It 
worked for quite a few years, but the last one the best they could do 
was $10/month off.  We once DID cancel them for dialup (there's still a 
good local dialup) so we're on record for not making idle threats.  So 
for $54/month we get internet and landline.  Grandfathered T-Mobile 
$10/year plan for cell (no data, of course).  Can't get much cheaper.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "No matter how cynical I get, it's just never enough to keep up."
                                                   --Lily Tomlin

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#34338

On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 22:55:59 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> I think it was $100 when we bought it from Costco.  Every once in a 
> while Ooma sends me an offer for  $20 providing I get a friend to buy a 
> unit at $20 off -- generally $80 or $90.  I post that too, but nobody 
> ever takes me up on it.  They don't even have to say I referred them, 
> but NOOOO!

Yup. Costco ran sales all the time on the Ooma Telo and others. 
Most people seem to be *afraid* of Ooma.

They don't want to take any *risk*.

I, myself, think Ooma must go out of business since they make zero money
off of me other than the International calls at about 2 cents a minute.

But, heck - that is what keeps Skype in business - and - as I said, once
you've had Ooma for a few months, it's free after that in that it has paid
for itself over Vonage. 

> We've had the same phone number since 1959, so we're in LOTS of lists. 
> Recently most of them were for local home remodeling businesses, but now 
> it's just <crickets> all day!

OMG. I was only in high school when you got that phone number!

> We canceled AT&T (~$30 just for LOCAL calls, no LD at all) when we got 
> the Ooma.  GOD I hate AT&T.

Yup. We had the Ooma and the landline for a while - but then we dropped the
landline. I wonder if anyone still has a landline?

> Fear does strange things.
Yup. The people who buy Vonage over Ooma do it on fear and fear alone, it
seems. 

Just like the Apple people - I'll be they're the same.

> We have to haggle with Charter to get their "introductory" rate.  It 
> worked for quite a few years, but the last one the best they could do 
> was $10/month off.  We once DID cancel them for dialup (there's still a 
> good local dialup) so we're on record for not making idle threats.  So 
> for $54/month we get internet and landline.  Grandfathered T-Mobile 
> $10/year plan for cell (no data, of course).  Can't get much cheaper.

If you have a tablet, and if you're in the USA, T-Mobile gives you a free
200MB per month. I have two of those. But you have to have a SIM card in
the tablet.

For Comcast cable, I just recently had a kid call me telling me they raised
her introductory rate from about 45 bucks to about 70 bucks because the 12
month introductory rate expired.

In the past, you'd just call Comcast and say "hey, gimme back my
introductory rate" and they'd do it, but they gave us a hard time.

SO, I looked up a house for sale in Zillow, and I impersonated that house
(which, luckily for me, did not currently have Comcast service) and got a
*great* rate (better than her old rate) as an introductory rate.

When we called back with *that* information, they gave her that
introductory rate. 

But it took 4 separate phone calls:
1. She called and they wouldn't lower the rate
2. I called and they wouldn't lower the rate
3. I called as a zillow house - and they gave me a better rate.
4. She called with that information - and they gave it to her.

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#34356

On 09/16/2016 11:32 PM, Horace Algier wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 22:55:59 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> We have to haggle with Charter to get their "introductory" rate.  It
>> worked for quite a few years, but the last one the best they could do
>> was $10/month off.  We once DID cancel them for dialup (there's still a
>> good local dialup) so we're on record for not making idle threats.  So
>> for $54/month we get internet and landline.  Grandfathered T-Mobile
>> $10/year plan for cell (no data, of course).  Can't get much cheaper.
>
> If you have a tablet, and if you're in the USA, T-Mobile gives you a free
> 200MB per month. I have two of those. But you have to have a SIM card in
> the tablet.

I checked into that.  Unfortunately, my tablets are sim-free.  Perhaps 
my next phone will have dual-sim capability and maybe then it will work. 
  I live in fear of T-M dropping the $10 plan -- I don't even use the 30 
additional minutes it buys me.  I've got something like 600 minutes banked.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "I read somewhere that 77 per cent of all the mentally ill live in
    poverty.  Actually, I'm more intrigued by the 23 per cent who are
    apparently doing quite well for themselves."       -- Emo Philips

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#34371

In article <nrk4c9$ks8$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> > If you have a tablet, and if you're in the USA, T-Mobile gives you a free
> > 200MB per month. I have two of those. But you have to have a SIM card in
> > the tablet.
> 
> I checked into that.  Unfortunately, my tablets are sim-free. 

which tablets are those??

> Perhaps 
> my next phone will have dual-sim capability and maybe then it will work. 

apparently you didn't check into that very much, since t-mobile's free
plan is for tablets *only* and won't at all in a phone, no matter how
many sim slots it has.

>   I live in fear of T-M dropping the $10 plan -- I don't even use the 30 
> additional minutes it buys me. I've got something like 600 minutes banked.

it's not a "$10 plan". it's a monthly pay as you go plan that happens
to have a 1 year expiration for gold members. their monthly pay as you
go plans now have a $3/mo minimum. there also is no data so if you do
get a new phone you'll need to change it.

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#34402

On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:20:08 -0400, nospam wrote:

> apparently you didn't check into that very much, since t-mobile's free
> plan is for tablets *only* and won't at all in a phone, no matter how
> many sim slots it has.

Since nospam is more often wrong than he is right, I will concur with him
on this one, in that T-Mobile only offers the free 200MB/month for
"tablets" (whether Android or iOS), so, a "phone" won't be eligible.

So, in this case, nospam is correct (as he is in the case below).
 
> it's not a "$10 plan". it's a monthly pay as you go plan that happens
> to have a 1 year expiration for gold members. their monthly pay as you
> go plans now have a $3/mo minimum. there also is no data so if you do
> get a new phone you'll need to change it.

I used to use the AT&T and T-Mobile pay-as-you-go plans, both non-gold and
gold.

With AT&T, they used to suck out three or so bucks a month, so, it was
really a 3/buck-a-month and then pay as you go plan. The pay as you go part
was something like 30 cents a minute (as I recall), so that sucked too.

So I went to T-Mobile, who would just drop the entire amount if I let it
lapse - so that sucked also. Of course, if you kept putting money in, then
it worked fine, and when you got to $100, you became gold.

I think *now* they require a single payment of $100 (I think - but I'm not
sure) whereas in the olden days, you just had to accumulate 100 dollars.

Even so, if you let it lapse, they'd *expire* the darn SIM cards, so I had
to buy a new SIM card whenever I wanted to start it back up, even though
there was nothing physically wrong with the old SIM card (I have a stack of
them lying in a drawer somewhere).

Overall...

Using the pay-as-you-go (for me) was such a pain that I dropped altogether
the pay-as-you-go stuff, in favor of a second phone number on my cellphone
(e.g., sideline) for free.

Even Sideline will drop you if you don't use it - but there's no cost
involved, and, in a way, it's a privacy measure such that you don't always
have the same number.

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#34403

In article <nrkr9u$upb$3@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:

> 
> > apparently you didn't check into that very much, since t-mobile's free
> > plan is for tablets *only* and won't at all in a phone, no matter how
> > many sim slots it has.
> 
> Since nospam is more often wrong than he is right, 

projection

> I will concur with him
> on this one, in that T-Mobile only offers the free 200MB/month for
> "tablets" (whether Android or iOS), so, a "phone" won't be eligible.
> 
> So, in this case, nospam is correct (as he is in the case below).

so not more often wrong.

> > it's not a "$10 plan". it's a monthly pay as you go plan that happens
> > to have a 1 year expiration for gold members. their monthly pay as you
> > go plans now have a $3/mo minimum. there also is no data so if you do
> > get a new phone you'll need to change it.
> 
> I used to use the AT&T and T-Mobile pay-as-you-go plans, both non-gold and
> gold.
> 
> With AT&T, they used to suck out three or so bucks a month, so, it was
> really a 3/buck-a-month and then pay as you go plan. The pay as you go part
> was something like 30 cents a minute (as I recall), so that sucked too.

then you were on a shitty plan.

when i used at&t paygo, it was 10c/min, no monthly minimum.

> So I went to T-Mobile, who would just drop the entire amount if I let it
> lapse - so that sucked also. Of course, if you kept putting money in, then
> it worked fine, and when you got to $100, you became gold.

every prepaid plan drops the entire amount if you let it lapse.

> I think *now* they require a single payment of $100 (I think - but I'm not
> sure) whereas in the olden days, you just had to accumulate 100 dollars.

they don't, but $100 up front is a better deal.

> Even so, if you let it lapse, they'd *expire* the darn SIM cards, so I had
> to buy a new SIM card whenever I wanted to start it back up, even though
> there was nothing physically wrong with the old SIM card (I have a stack of
> them lying in a drawer somewhere).

they don't expire sims that are in use.

looks like you're wrong more than you're right.

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#34336

On 9/16/2016 9:50 PM, Horace Algier wrote:

> I never give out my phone number, so I never get telemarketer calls.

Even that doesn't work since they often just series dial the numbers.

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#34495

On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 04:50:57 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote:

> I never give out my phone number, so I never get telemarketer calls.

Really? Your number never gets randomly included in the 0000-9999 sweeps
the telemarketeers' predictive dialing software indulges in? You've got
better luck than I have, Gunga Din :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#34359

Horace Algier schrieb am 2016-09-16 um 21:30:

> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:40:08 -0400, nospam wrote:
> 
>>> My fault for not being clear that a legitimate phone number was the goal.
>>
>> voip provides a legitimate phone number.
[...]
> The point is that a real phone number is required for this to work.

VoIP providers give you a "real phone number"!

Even many landline systems use VoIP nowadays.

[...]
> We're talking about using a GSM moboile phone WITHOUT the SIM card yet
> still getting, for free, a real phone number that calls other phone numbers
> and that receives calls from other phone numbers, for free.

1) Look for a SIP provider and register a phone number there

2) Install a VoIP app which supports SIP on the phone and use this
number via WiFi

> Of course on WiFi, that GSM device (with or without a SIM card) can make
> calls *to a computer* and it can receive calls *from a computer* but we
> were never talking about *that* type of VOIP.

No - it can also make calls to regular phone numbers. Usually *making*
calls is not for free and you have to pay for a plan at the SIP
provider, but *receiving* calls is usually for free - on a regular phone
number.



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#34360

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> Horace Algier schrieb am 2016-09-16 um 21:30:
> 
> > On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:40:08 -0400, nospam wrote:
> > 
> >>> My fault for not being clear that a legitimate phone number was the goal.
> >>
> >> voip provides a legitimate phone number.
> [...]
> > The point is that a real phone number is required for this to work.
> 
> VoIP providers give you a "real phone number"!

  We're getting a bit sloppy with terminology here!

  nospam says "voip provideS". You say "VoIP provideRS". (In both cases
the emphasis is mine.)

  Strictly speaking, both sentences are wrong in the sense that they can
be true, but are not neccessarily true in all cases. Luckily you explain
what you mean by later (see below) talking about getting a SIP provider
and phone number.

[Left for completeness/reference:]

> Even many landline systems use VoIP nowadays.
> 
> [...]
> > We're talking about using a GSM moboile phone WITHOUT the SIM card yet
> > still getting, for free, a real phone number that calls other phone numbers
> > and that receives calls from other phone numbers, for free.
> 
> 1) Look for a SIP provider and register a phone number there
> 
> 2) Install a VoIP app which supports SIP on the phone and use this
> number via WiFi
> 
> > Of course on WiFi, that GSM device (with or without a SIM card) can make
> > calls *to a computer* and it can receive calls *from a computer* but we
> > were never talking about *that* type of VOIP.
> 
> No - it can also make calls to regular phone numbers. Usually *making*
> calls is not for free and you have to pay for a plan at the SIP
> provider, but *receiving* calls is usually for free - on a regular phone
> number.

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#34496

On 9/16/2016 12:30 PM, Horace Algier wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:40:08 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>>> My fault for not being clear that a legitimate phone number was the goal.
>>
>> voip provides a legitimate phone number.
>
> Either you don't understand the question, or you are just being cryptic for
> no good reason.
>
> I've seen this behavior from you so many times, that I've learned the
> following:
>
> 5% of the time, you actually know what you're talking about.
> 5% of the time, you don't actually *understand* the question.
> 90% of the time you're just being duplicitous (for whatever pleasure it
> gives you).
>
> The point is that a real phone number is required for this to work.
>
> I have Ooma and many of my friends and relatives have Vonage, but we're not
> talking about physical phones - so - you must understand that physical VOIP
> is not the question.
>
> We're talking about using a GSM moboile phone WITHOUT the SIM card yet
> still getting, for free, a real phone number that calls other phone numbers
> and that receives calls from other phone numbers, for free.

You can't use a GSM phone without a SIM card to make non-emergency
calls.
You can use a device with WiFi connected to the web and an operating 
system and application that support
VOIP to make and receive phone calls via WiFi.  "SIM" and "GSM"
are not involved in any way.

We can talk more about that, after you are finished
with the pissing contest with nospam.

snip

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