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  What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 00:29 -0400
    Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 06:34 +0200
      Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-13 06:59 +0000
        Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 10:57 +0200
          Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 23:47 +0000
        Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-07-13 14:05 +0200
          Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 23:50 -0400
            Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-07-14 13:50 +0200
              Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 04:33 -0400
                Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-07-15 15:20 +0200
                  Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 14:54 -0400
                    Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-07-15 22:14 +0200
                      Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 21:03 -0400
                        Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 09:13 +0200
                          Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 23:46 +0000
                          Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 23:53 -0400
                            Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 07:28 +0200
                              Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 01:39 -0400
                                Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 07:51 +0200
                                Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 08:43 +0200
                                  Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 10:55 -0400
                                    Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 18:16 +0200
                                      Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 18:17 +0200
                                      Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 12:21 -0400
                              Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 03:56 -0400
                                Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 18:13 +0200
                                  Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 23:51 -0400
                                    Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 06:54 +0200
                                      Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 02:09 -0400
                                        Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 09:06 +0200
                                          Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-28 03:27 -0400
                                    Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-22 02:25 -0400
                                      Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 08:37 +0200
                                      Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-22 02:40 -0400
                                        Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 08:53 +0200
                    Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-16 00:03 -0400
                      Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-07-18 16:41 -0500
                        Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-07-20 03:20 -0400
                          Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-07-20 15:51 -0500
                  Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 14:56 -0400
                    Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-07-15 22:17 +0200
                      Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 21:05 -0400
                Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 23:47 +0000
              Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 23:47 +0000
          Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-18 23:47 +0000
            Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 23:56 -0400
            Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-07-19 20:20 +0200
        Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 00:57 -0400
          Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 21:00 -0400
          Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 00:41 +0000
            Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 00:01 -0400
              Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 05:37 +0000
                Re: What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts? Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 03:30 -0400

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#31558 — What does it mean when a map program wants my contacts?

What does it mean when a map program wants access to my contacts? 

Here.   Highly rated, wanted access to almost everything. Contacts
caught my eye.  I tapped that and instead of saying "Okay, I can live
without contacts" it said, "needs contacts". 

I didnt' copy the rest of the list but why would it possibly need my
contacts.  It's a map program and I don't put their addresses in
anyhow.   Is it going to spy on me or does it assume I'll want
directions to their place (as if I can't find it myself).  

Would you still install it, or what? 

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#31559

Dne 13/07/2016 v 06:29 Micky napsal(a):
> What does it mean when a map program wants access to my contacts? 
> 
> Here.   Highly rated, wanted access to almost everything. Contacts
> caught my eye.  I tapped that and instead of saying "Okay, I can live
> without contacts" it said, "needs contacts". 
> 
> I didnt' copy the rest of the list but why would it possibly need my
> contacts.  It's a map program and I don't put their addresses in
> anyhow.   Is it going to spy on me or does it assume I'll want
> directions to their place (as if I can't find it myself).  
> 
> Would you still install it, or what? 
> 
It is quite common, many map applications
provide feature of sharing current locations,
points, tracks, other data.

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#31565

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 06:34:08 +0200, Poutnik wrote:

> It is quite common, many map applications
> provide feature of sharing current locations,
> points, tracks, other data.

Why not install "App Ops Starter"?
It allows you to deny each of the specific privileges after the fact. 

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#31578

On 07/13/2016 08:59 AM, Aardvarks wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 06:34:08 +0200, Poutnik wrote:
>
>> It is quite common, many map applications
>> provide feature of sharing current locations,
>> points, tracks, other data.
>
> Why not install "App Ops Starter"?
> It allows you to deny each of the specific privileges after the fact.
>
Is it Android version an root status independent ?

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#32136

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:57:01 +0200, Poutnik wrote:

> Is it Android version an root status independent ?

I'm using App Ops Starter freeware with Android 4.3 Samsung S3.
That's all I know.

It allows me to turn off access to the file system for any app on a
case-by-case basis and on a type-by-type basis.

Here, for example, is what my ChatON permissions look like:
http://i.cubeupload.com/5KsLuA.gif

Here's a before and after on the Automatic Call Recorder:
http://i.cubeupload.com/YTUsAt.gif

Here are my settings for that obnoxious S-Voice:
http://i.cubeupload.com/1mkCkS.gif

Likewise with the annoying Amazon bloatware:
http://i.cubeupload.com/kMdSQ1.gif

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#31581

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 06:59:53 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:

> Why not install "App Ops Starter"?
> It allows you to deny each of the specific privileges after the fact. 

I have a Nexus 5X which has such a feature built-in. It will block all
permissions by default and will show you a dialog when a certain app
wants to access Contacts, Camera, etc. A lot of apps ask a lot of
permissions although they won't actually use them.

-- 
s|b

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#31615

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:05:36 +0200, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 06:59:53 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:
>
>> Why not install "App Ops Starter"?
>> It allows you to deny each of the specific privileges after the fact. 
>
>I have a Nexus 5X which has such a feature built-in. It will block all

Aren't nexuses expensive, or is that only the ones I looked at? 

>permissions by default and will show you a dialog when a certain app
>wants to access Contacts, Camera, etc. A lot of apps ask a lot of
>permissions although they won't actually use them.

I had a friend like that once. 

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#31640

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:50:57 -0400, Micky wrote:

> >I have a Nexus 5X which has such a feature built-in. It will block all
 
> Aren't nexuses expensive, or is that only the ones I looked at? 

Depends on what you call expensive.

I paid 287 euro for an LG Nexus X 16GB. ATM they are sold for 246 euro.
Same model 32GB costs 299 euro.

In 2014 I paid 348,95 euro for a (POS) Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini. Before
that I bought a Nokia N9. I don't remember how much I paid for it
exactly, but I'm pretty sure it was a lot more than 300 euro.

-- 
s|b

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#31754

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:50:46 +0200, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 23:50:57 -0400, Micky wrote:
>
>> >I have a Nexus 5X which has such a feature built-in. It will block all
> 
>> Aren't nexuses expensive, or is that only the ones I looked at? 
>
>Depends on what you call expensive.

All the ones below are expensive by me.    If I called more people or
they called me, it might be worth it. 

>I paid 287 euro for an LG Nexus X 16GB. ATM they are sold for 246 euro.
>Same model 32GB costs 299 euro.
>
>In 2014 I paid 348,95 euro for a (POS) Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini. Before
>that I bought a Nokia N9. I don't remember how much I paid for it
>exactly, but I'm pretty sure it was a lot more than 300 euro.

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#31780

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:33:50 -0400, Micky wrote:

> >Depends on what you call expensive.
 
> All the ones below are expensive by me.    If I called more people or
> they called me, it might be worth it. 

If calling or be called is more important, then you're probably better
off with a so-called "senior" phone:
<http://www.seniorentelefoonstore.be/product/331576/category-192829/fysic-fm-7500-senioren-telefoon.html>

34,99 euro

-- 
s|b

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#31819

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:20:38 +0200, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:33:50 -0400, Micky wrote:
>
>> >Depends on what you call expensive.
> 
>> All the ones below are expensive by me.    If I called more people or
>> they called me, it might be worth it. 
>
>If calling or be called is more important, then you're probably better
>off with a so-called "senior" phone:
><http://www.seniorentelefoonstore.be/product/331576/category-192829/fysic-fm-7500-senioren-telefoon.html>
>
>34,99 euro

No I wouldn't be better off.   It doesn't display maps, for one thing.
And it doesn't search the web or do email for the rare but occasional
times I'll want to do that.   That I don't want to spend 250 doesn't
mean I won't spend 50 or 100. 

And I'm not a senior.  I graduated high school and college long ago. 

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#31850

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:54:02 -0400, Micky wrote:

> No I wouldn't be better off.   It doesn't display maps, for one thing.

GPS devices can be bought separately. My mother has an iPhone, but she
also uses a TomTom. It displays traffic and speed cameras.

> And it doesn't search the web or do email for the rare but occasional
> times I'll want to do that.   That I don't want to spend 250 doesn't
> mean I won't spend 50 or 100. 

I was under the impression your only interest was to be available and to
call...

> And I'm not a senior.  I graduated high school and college long ago. 

I didn't mean to offend. It's just a name they give. I know people my
age and younger that have a similar. They're interested in (you guessed
it) calling or being called. They want to be available. Some don't even
want to text!

-- 
s|b

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#31868

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:14:26 +0200, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:54:02 -0400, Micky wrote:
>
>> No I wouldn't be better off.   It doesn't display maps, for one thing.
>
>GPS devices can be bought separately. My mother has an iPhone, but she
>also uses a TomTom. It displays traffic and speed cameras.

First, I don't want to carry two things, have to charge two things,
fill my pocket with two things.   

Second, I thought GPSes were mostly for directions.  I want maps, not
directions.

Third, at most I'd be even, certainly not better off. 

>> And it doesn't search the web or do email for the rare but occasional
>> times I'll want to do that.   That I don't want to spend 250 doesn't
>> mean I won't spend 50 or 100. 
>
>I was under the impression your only interest was to be available and to
>call...

I didn't say anything about it being my "only" interest.  I said "If I
called more people or they called me, it might be worth it " to buy a
nexus instead of a smartphone that costs between 50 and 100. 
>
>> And I'm not a senior.  I graduated high school and college long ago. 
>
>I didn't mean to offend. It's just a name they give. I know people my
>age and younger that have a similar. They're interested in (you guessed
>it) calling or being called. They want to be available. Some don't even
>want to text!

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#32042

Dne 16/07/2016 v 03:03 Micky napsal(a):

> 
> Second, I thought GPSes were mostly for directions.  I want maps, not
> directions.

GPS as subdevice/firmware of smartphones just gives numerical position.

GPS as map application uses GPS device and map/routing resources
for either giving directions
or just the position on map.

To know position is very useful for both vector and raster maps,
even if you need not directions,
or they are even not possible to have.

Like for the off-trail hiking
and/or following raster map without any routing data.

To want map application without GPS is IMHO not very wise,
especially if most current smart devices do have it.


-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#32132

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:13:39 +0200, Poutnik wrote:

> To want map application without GPS is IMHO not very wise,
> especially if most current smart devices do have it.

Poutnik has helped me in the past with GPS off-trail apps and everything he
says is correct.

You do NOT need cellular data for mapping *unless* you care about traffic.
If traffic is your schtick, then you'll need cellular data.

However, if you just want routing and location and excellent maps, all you
need are two things:
a. Offline map apps
b. GPS 

Here, for example, are my Android map apps ordered from top to bottom, left
to right, in the order that I use them most:
http://i.cubeupload.com/ULjzhc.gif

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#32177

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:13:39 +0200, Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Dne 16/07/2016 v 03:03 Micky napsal(a):
>
>> 
>> Second, I thought GPSes were mostly for directions.  I want maps, not
>> directions.
>
>GPS as subdevice/firmware of smartphones just gives numerical position.

But he was suggesting I get a non-Smart phone and a separate GPS.  
>
>GPS as map application uses GPS device and map/routing resources
>for either giving directions
>or just the position on map.
>
>To know position is very useful for both vector and raster maps,
>even if you need not directions,
>or they are even not possible to have.
>
>Like for the off-trail hiking
>and/or following raster map without any routing data.

I don't do off-trail hiking anymore.  I don't even do on-trail hiking
until I lose some weight or stop the pain in my back (which are
probalby related. ) 

>To want map application without GPS is IMHO not very wise,
>especially if most current smart devices do have it.

It's very very rare I don't know where I am, even when traveling. What
I do need is a modern compass for my car.  I bought one at a truck
stop and gave it to my friend who died in March.  He never used it and
I wish his brother had offered it back to me, it or any other thing of
his I could have kept as a memento. 

I need to either go to a good truck stop and buy one of those, or get
a rear view mirror with a good compass.  I bought one a couple years
ago but it broke.    On my way back from Kimberton... well I never
told anyone about *going* to Kimberton.  I should make a whole post
out of it. 

Thanks for the suggestions. 

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#32190

Dne 19/07/2016 v 05:53 Micky napsal(a):
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:13:39 +0200, Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Dne 16/07/2016 v 03:03 Micky napsal(a):
>>
>>>
>>> Second, I thought GPSes were mostly for directions.  I want maps, not
>>> directions.
>>
>> GPS as subdevice/firmware of smartphones just gives numerical position.
> 
> But he was suggesting I get a non-Smart phone and a separate GPS.  

Separate GPS is fine,
but with non-smart phone it may be problematic to use.

> 
>> To want map application without GPS is IMHO not very wise,
>> especially if most current smart devices do have it.
> 
> It's very very rare I don't know where I am, even when traveling. What
> I do need is a modern compass for my car.  I bought one at a truck
> stop and gave it to my friend who died in March.  He never used it and
> I wish his brother had offered it back to me, it or any other thing of
> his I could have kept as a memento. 

It is not necesserily about getting lost,
but about to know exactly +/- few meters where you are.

A compass usage in a car is problematic
due the car iron interference and vibrations.

Most of GPS smartphones do have HW compass,
but even then they do not derive the heading course from it,
but from GPS, what is at the car speed more reliable.

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#32197

In article <nmkdpn$eas$1@dont-email.me>, Poutnik
<poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> wrote:

> A compass usage in a car is problematic
> due the car iron interference and vibrations.

nonsense. compasses work just fine in cars and many cars come with them
built in.

> Most of GPS smartphones do have HW compass,
> but even then they do not derive the heading course from it,
> but from GPS, what is at the car speed more reliable.

actually they use both.

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#32200

Dne 19/07/2016 v 07:39 nospam napsal(a):
> In article <nmkdpn$eas$1@dont-email.me>, Poutnik
> <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> A compass usage in a car is problematic
>> due the car iron interference and vibrations.
> 
> nonsense. compasses work just fine in cars and many cars come with them
> built in.

In a smartphone it may problematic,
but it is device and application dependent.
> 
>> Most of GPS smartphones do have HW compass,
>> but even then they do not derive the heading course from it,
>> but from GPS, what is at the car speed more reliable.
> 
> actually they use both.
> 
I am aware of that. Some of applications offer
switching from HW compass to "GPS compass" above chosen speed.

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#32206

Dne 19/07/2016 v 07:39 nospam napsal(a):
> In article <nmkdpn$eas$1@dont-email.me>, Poutnik
> <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> A compass usage in a car is problematic
>> due the car iron interference and vibrations.
> 
> nonsense. compasses work just fine in cars and many cars come with them
> built in.
> 
Rather, they point. How correct they are
is different, case dependent story.

Sellers sell anything the drivers are willing to buy.

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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