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  Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? tony@mountifield.org (Tony Mountifield) - 2016-07-15 09:52 +0000
    Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Someone Somewhere <nntpac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 11:02 +0100
      Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 08:06 -0700
        Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? tony@mountifield.org (Tony Mountifield) - 2016-07-16 08:10 +0000
          Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Someone Somewhere <nntpac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 10:20 +0100
            Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Graham. <graham-usenet@mail.com> - 2016-07-16 12:26 +0100
              Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Someone Somewhere <nntpac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 13:34 +0100
    Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-15 11:04 +0100
      Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> - 2016-07-15 13:26 +0100
        Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-15 14:24 +0100
          Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> - 2016-07-16 08:17 +0100
            Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-16 10:09 +0100
              Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> - 2016-07-16 10:38 +0100
                Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2016-07-16 13:10 +0200
                  Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Optimist <v.meldrew@i.do.not.believe.it> - 2016-07-16 14:30 +0100
                  Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> - 2016-07-17 10:53 +0100
    Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2016-07-15 11:31 +0100

#31763 — Still trying to use mobile data when turned off?

I recently went on holiday from the UK to mainland Europe, and took
my Samsung Galaxy S4 running Android 5.0.1 on the EE network.

Before I went, I turned off Roaming Data, and also turned off Mobile Data
completely.

As I entered each country (France, Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany),
I still received texts from EE saying "From EE: Your device is trying to
connect to the internet. To get online abroad, choose a data add-on."

So my question is, if roaming data and mobile data are both turned off
(I checked again each time), why were these messages getting triggered?

Cheers
Tony
-- 
Tony Mountifield
Work: tony@softins.co.uk - http://www.softins.co.uk
Play: tony@mountifield.org - http://tony.mountifield.org

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#31764

On 15/07/2016 10:52, Tony Mountifield wrote:
> I recently went on holiday from the UK to mainland Europe, and took
> my Samsung Galaxy S4 running Android 5.0.1 on the EE network.
>
> Before I went, I turned off Roaming Data, and also turned off Mobile Data
> completely.
>
> As I entered each country (France, Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany),
> I still received texts from EE saying "From EE: Your device is trying to
> connect to the internet. To get online abroad, choose a data add-on."
>
> So my question is, if roaming data and mobile data are both turned off
> (I checked again each time), why were these messages getting triggered?
>
> Cheers
> Tony
>
Did you actually consume any data?  If not, I suspect it's getting 
triggered by the handset accessing the SGSN and hence having access to a 
data channel even if it didn't use it.

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#31793

On 07/15/2016 03:02 AM, Someone Somewhere wrote:
> On 15/07/2016 10:52, Tony Mountifield wrote:
>> I recently went on holiday from the UK to mainland Europe, and took
>> my Samsung Galaxy S4 running Android 5.0.1 on the EE network.
>>
>> Before I went, I turned off Roaming Data, and also turned off Mobile Data
>> completely.
>>
>> As I entered each country (France, Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany),
>> I still received texts from EE saying "From EE: Your device is trying to
>> connect to the internet. To get online abroad, choose a data add-on."
>>
>> So my question is, if roaming data and mobile data are both turned off
>> (I checked again each time), why were these messages getting triggered?
>>
> Did you actually consume any data?  If not, I suspect it's getting
> triggered by the handset accessing the SGSN and hence having access to a
> data channel even if it didn't use it.

I don't have a data plan and my phone doesn't work in Mexico, but I get 
these text messages from T-Mobile whenever I cross the border, except it 
tells me that I can make calls for $1.50/minute by blablablabla.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   Eat this, NSA: bomb assassinate Washington North Korea Iraq spy poison
   ISIS AlQaeda Bush Clinton Pelosi Reid

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#31895

In article <nmau5q$7u7$1@dont-email.me>,
The Real Bev  <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 07/15/2016 03:02 AM, Someone Somewhere wrote:
> > On 15/07/2016 10:52, Tony Mountifield wrote:
> >> I recently went on holiday from the UK to mainland Europe, and took
> >> my Samsung Galaxy S4 running Android 5.0.1 on the EE network.
> >>
> >> Before I went, I turned off Roaming Data, and also turned off Mobile Data
> >> completely.
> >>
> >> As I entered each country (France, Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany),
> >> I still received texts from EE saying "From EE: Your device is trying to
> >> connect to the internet. To get online abroad, choose a data add-on."
> >>
> >> So my question is, if roaming data and mobile data are both turned off
> >> (I checked again each time), why were these messages getting triggered?
> >>
> > Did you actually consume any data?  If not, I suspect it's getting
> > triggered by the handset accessing the SGSN and hence having access to a
> > data channel even if it didn't use it.
> 
> I don't have a data plan and my phone doesn't work in Mexico, but I get 
> these text messages from T-Mobile whenever I cross the border, except it 
> tells me that I can make calls for $1.50/minute by blablablabla.

Yes, I also received the general welcome texts for each country I entered,
but the ones about trying to use the internet were additional and puzzling.

Cheers
Tony
-- 
Tony Mountifield
Work: tony@softins.co.uk - http://www.softins.co.uk
Play: tony@mountifield.org - http://tony.mountifield.org

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#31898

On 16/07/2016 09:10, Tony Mountifield wrote:
> In article <nmau5q$7u7$1@dont-email.me>,
> The Real Bev  <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 07/15/2016 03:02 AM, Someone Somewhere wrote:
>>> On 15/07/2016 10:52, Tony Mountifield wrote:
>>>> I recently went on holiday from the UK to mainland Europe, and took
>>>> my Samsung Galaxy S4 running Android 5.0.1 on the EE network.
>>>>
>>>> Before I went, I turned off Roaming Data, and also turned off Mobile Data
>>>> completely.
>>>>
>>>> As I entered each country (France, Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany),
>>>> I still received texts from EE saying "From EE: Your device is trying to
>>>> connect to the internet. To get online abroad, choose a data add-on."
>>>>
>>>> So my question is, if roaming data and mobile data are both turned off
>>>> (I checked again each time), why were these messages getting triggered?
>>>>
>>> Did you actually consume any data?  If not, I suspect it's getting
>>> triggered by the handset accessing the SGSN and hence having access to a
>>> data channel even if it didn't use it.
>>
>> I don't have a data plan and my phone doesn't work in Mexico, but I get
>> these text messages from T-Mobile whenever I cross the border, except it
>> tells me that I can make calls for $1.50/minute by blablablabla.
>
> Yes, I also received the general welcome texts for each country I entered,
> but the ones about trying to use the internet were additional and puzzling.
>
> Cheers
> Tony
>

Welcome SMS platforms are mandated for roaming in Europe and hence we're 
very used to them.  The easiest way for them to work is to sniff the so 
called location update messages between the roamed to network and the 
home network - there are two types of these,  one for circuit switched 
calls and SMS and one for data.

However, by just doing a location update doesn't imply any data is going 
to be used, but it could just be the only thing they look for.

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#31901

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 10:20:23 +0100, Someone Somewhere
<nntpac@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 16/07/2016 09:10, Tony Mountifield wrote:
>> In article <nmau5q$7u7$1@dont-email.me>,
>> The Real Bev  <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 07/15/2016 03:02 AM, Someone Somewhere wrote:
>>>> On 15/07/2016 10:52, Tony Mountifield wrote:
>>>>> I recently went on holiday from the UK to mainland Europe, and took
>>>>> my Samsung Galaxy S4 running Android 5.0.1 on the EE network.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before I went, I turned off Roaming Data, and also turned off Mobile Data
>>>>> completely.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I entered each country (France, Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany),
>>>>> I still received texts from EE saying "From EE: Your device is trying to
>>>>> connect to the internet. To get online abroad, choose a data add-on."
>>>>>
>>>>> So my question is, if roaming data and mobile data are both turned off
>>>>> (I checked again each time), why were these messages getting triggered?
>>>>>
>>>> Did you actually consume any data?  If not, I suspect it's getting
>>>> triggered by the handset accessing the SGSN and hence having access to a
>>>> data channel even if it didn't use it.
>>>
>>> I don't have a data plan and my phone doesn't work in Mexico, but I get
>>> these text messages from T-Mobile whenever I cross the border, except it
>>> tells me that I can make calls for $1.50/minute by blablablabla.
>>
>> Yes, I also received the general welcome texts for each country I entered,
>> but the ones about trying to use the internet were additional and puzzling.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tony
>>
>
>Welcome SMS platforms are mandated for roaming in Europe and hence we're 
>very used to them.  The easiest way for them to work is to sniff the so 
>called location update messages between the roamed to network and the 
>home network - there are two types of these,  one for circuit switched 
>calls and SMS and one for data.
>
>However, by just doing a location update doesn't imply any data is going 
>to be used, but it could just be the only thing they look for.


Someone I know gets a "Welcome to Spain" message each time he switches
on his phone, even though he's been back in the UK for months.

His provider doesn't seem to have a solution to his problem, other
than sending him a new SIM, which of course didn't fix it.

Any advice, or magic incantation he can quote to his provider would be
appreciated.



-- 

Graham.

%Profound_observation%

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#31904

On 16/07/2016 12:26, Graham. wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 10:20:23 +0100, Someone Somewhere
> <nntpac@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 16/07/2016 09:10, Tony Mountifield wrote:
>>> In article <nmau5q$7u7$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> The Real Bev  <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 07/15/2016 03:02 AM, Someone Somewhere wrote:
>>>>> On 15/07/2016 10:52, Tony Mountifield wrote:
>>>>>> I recently went on holiday from the UK to mainland Europe, and took
>>>>>> my Samsung Galaxy S4 running Android 5.0.1 on the EE network.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before I went, I turned off Roaming Data, and also turned off Mobile Data
>>>>>> completely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I entered each country (France, Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany),
>>>>>> I still received texts from EE saying "From EE: Your device is trying to
>>>>>> connect to the internet. To get online abroad, choose a data add-on."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So my question is, if roaming data and mobile data are both turned off
>>>>>> (I checked again each time), why were these messages getting triggered?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Did you actually consume any data?  If not, I suspect it's getting
>>>>> triggered by the handset accessing the SGSN and hence having access to a
>>>>> data channel even if it didn't use it.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a data plan and my phone doesn't work in Mexico, but I get
>>>> these text messages from T-Mobile whenever I cross the border, except it
>>>> tells me that I can make calls for $1.50/minute by blablablabla.
>>>
>>> Yes, I also received the general welcome texts for each country I entered,
>>> but the ones about trying to use the internet were additional and puzzling.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tony
>>>
>>
>> Welcome SMS platforms are mandated for roaming in Europe and hence we're
>> very used to them.  The easiest way for them to work is to sniff the so
>> called location update messages between the roamed to network and the
>> home network - there are two types of these,  one for circuit switched
>> calls and SMS and one for data.
>>
>> However, by just doing a location update doesn't imply any data is going
>> to be used, but it could just be the only thing they look for.
>
>
> Someone I know gets a "Welcome to Spain" message each time he switches
> on his phone, even though he's been back in the UK for months.
>
> His provider doesn't seem to have a solution to his problem, other
> than sending him a new SIM, which of course didn't fix it.
>
> Any advice, or magic incantation he can quote to his provider would be
> appreciated.
>
>
>
Unfortunately these platforms are non-standardised so it's all dependent 
on their platform and how it works.

What I would say is that it seems to have captured his telephone number 
(ie rather than his IMSI, which would have changed when the SIM changed) 
and keeps sending a message to it.

If it isn't using an SMSC it seems the platform may not be getting the 
response message from your friends mobile, but that would be unlikely 
unless many thousands of people were suffering in the same way.  It may 
however be worth moving the SIM to another handset, rebooting a few 
times (or reselecting networks) to see if that clears it.

If it's not that, it's definitely a bug in the platform - presumably it 
is re-using his number rather than someone else (certain circumstances 
may dictate that the message hasn't arrived so it sets a flag in the 
network, and rather than setting it for other numbers it keeps setting 
it for his)

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#31766

On 15/07/2016 10:52, Tony Mountifield wrote:
> I recently went on holiday from the UK to mainland Europe, and took
> my Samsung Galaxy S4 running Android 5.0.1 on the EE network.
>
> Before I went, I turned off Roaming Data, and also turned off Mobile Data
> completely.
>
> As I entered each country (France, Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany),
> I still received texts from EE saying "From EE: Your device is trying to
> connect to the internet. To get online abroad, choose a data add-on."
>
> So my question is, if roaming data and mobile data are both turned off
> (I checked again each time), why were these messages getting triggered?
>
> Cheers
> Tony

Text messages.  Just in case you wanted to change your mind, I expect! 
Make some more money from you.  Mind you, some operators offer zero 
extra cost facilities for Europe, and from next year we may all be 
paying the same in Europe as in the UK.  Perhaps!

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#31770

In message <nmacg5$bf1$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:04:53 on Fri, 15 Jul 
2016, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> remarked:
>Mind you, some operators offer zero extra cost facilities for Europe, 
>and from next year we may all be paying the same in Europe as in the 
>UK.  Perhaps!

Until Brexit, anyway.
-- 
Roland Perry

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#31783

On 15/07/2016 13:26, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <nmacg5$bf1$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:04:53 on Fri, 15 Jul
> 2016, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> remarked:
>> Mind you, some operators offer zero extra cost facilities for Europe,
>> and from next year we may all be paying the same in Europe as in the
>> UK.  Perhaps!
>
> Until Brexit, anyway.

Hence the "perhaps", but someone said recently that it's an agreement 
between manufacturers or at least outside the EU's control.  I'll stick 
with "perhaps" until it happens.

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#31894

In message <nmao6k$i81$2@dont-email.me>, at 14:24:36 on Fri, 15 Jul 
2016, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> remarked:
>On 15/07/2016 13:26, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <nmacg5$bf1$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:04:53 on Fri, 15 Jul
>> 2016, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> remarked:
>>> Mind you, some operators offer zero extra cost facilities for Europe,
>>> and from next year we may all be paying the same in Europe as in the
>>> UK.  Perhaps!
>>
>> Until Brexit, anyway.
>
>Hence the "perhaps", but someone said recently that it's an agreement 
>between manufacturers

LG can tell Vodafone what to charge me for calls. Really?

> or at least outside the EU's control.  I'll stick with "perhaps" until 
>it happens.
>

-- 
Roland Perry

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#31897

On 16/07/2016 08:17, Roland Perry wrote:
[]
> LG can tell Vodafone what to charge me for calls. Really?

No, but operators can all agree not to charge more than their standard 
rate when abroad (to keep within some law).  I also thought that it 
would be lost with brexit, but was told otherwise, possibly by a 
brexiteer, though!

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#31899

In message <nmctju$6bm$2@dont-email.me>, at 10:09:18 on Sat, 16 Jul 
2016, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> remarked:
>> LG can tell Vodafone what to charge me for calls. Really?
>
>No, but operators can all agree not to charge more than their standard 
>rate when abroad (to keep within some law).

There's an EU law, which gets increasingly tougher.

>I also thought that it would be lost with brexit, but was told 
>otherwise, possibly by a brexiteer, though!

Depends whether we stay bound by EU laws (without the opportunity to 
vote on them). Some exiters think that's viable option, but makes you 
wonder why they ever voted to leave.
-- 
Roland Perry

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#31900

Am 16.07.2016 um 11:38 schrieb Roland Perry:

> Depends whether we stay bound by EU laws (without the opportunity to
> vote on them). Some exiters think that's viable option, but makes you
> wonder why they ever voted to leave.

There is no such thing as an "EU law"! The EU issues *regulations* which 
are required to be transformed into national law if a country wants to 
participate in the EU free trade zone.

If the UK wants to continuously benefit from free trade with EU 
countries (and honestly, you don't have any other option), you will 
continue to be bound be these regulations, respective national laws 
based on them. Take a look at Norway, they are exactly in that situation.

Yes, it was dumb to vote for "leave". You've lost your prospects to 
influence the regulations, but are still bound by most of them...

Hergen

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#31905

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 13:10:18 +0200, Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> wrote:

>Am 16.07.2016 um 11:38 schrieb Roland Perry:
>
>> Depends whether we stay bound by EU laws (without the opportunity to
>> vote on them). Some exiters think that's viable option, but makes you
>> wonder why they ever voted to leave.
>
>There is no such thing as an "EU law"! The EU issues *regulations* which 
>are required to be transformed into national law if a country wants to 
>participate in the EU free trade zone.
>
>If the UK wants to continuously benefit from free trade with EU 
>countries (and honestly, you don't have any other option), you will 
>continue to be bound be these regulations, respective national laws 
>based on them. Take a look at Norway, they are exactly in that situation.
>
>Yes, it was dumb to vote for "leave". You've lost your prospects to 
>influence the regulations, but are still bound by most of them...
>
>Hergen


Exporters also have to comply with rules set by USA, Canada, Australia, Japan etc. to sell into
those countries, so what is your point?

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#31993

In message <q9hp5d-6bi.ln1@hergen.dyndns.org>, at 13:10:18 on Sat, 16 
Jul 2016, Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> remarked:

>> Depends whether we stay bound by EU laws (without the opportunity to
>> vote on them). Some exiters think that's viable option, but makes you
>> wonder why they ever voted to leave.
>
>There is no such thing as an "EU law"! The EU issues *regulations*

That's about as wrong as it's possible to be. Regulations have direct 
effect... and Directives:

>which are required to be transformed into national law

The exact word is "transposed"

>if a country wants to participate in the EU free trade zone.

You are muddling up two concepts here; one is the political leverage 
imposed on participants in *free* trade, and the other is the need to 
meet European various quality/safety rules if goods are to be sold 
within the EU.

>If the UK wants to continuously benefit from free trade with EU 
>countries (and honestly, you don't have any other option), you will 
>continue to be bound be these regulations, respective national laws 
>based on them. Take a look at Norway, they are exactly in that situation.

-- 
Roland Perry

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#31767

"Tony Mountifield" <tony@mountifield.org> wrote in message 
news:nmabpg$hte$1@softins.softins.co.uk...
>I recently went on holiday from the UK to mainland Europe, and took
> my Samsung Galaxy S4 running Android 5.0.1 on the EE network.
>
> Before I went, I turned off Roaming Data, and also turned off Mobile 
> Data
> completely.
>
> As I entered each country (France, Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany),
> I still received texts from EE saying "From EE: Your device is 
> trying to
> connect to the internet. To get online abroad, choose a data 
> add-on."
>
> So my question is, if roaming data and mobile data are both turned 
> off
> (I checked again each time), why were these messages getting 
> triggered?
>

I suspect it's because your phone is likely trying to get the info it 
wants/needs by GPRS because faster data is turned off. Possible that 
your SP or the one you are using abroad don't allow GPRS outside your 
home country?

If mobile data is turned off it usually stops you phone from using 3G 
or 4G wherever you are. Certainly does for mine.


-- 
Woody

harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com

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