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Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off?

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On 16/07/2016 12:26, Graham. wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 10:20:23 +0100, Someone Somewhere
> <nntpac@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 16/07/2016 09:10, Tony Mountifield wrote:
>>> In article <nmau5q$7u7$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> The Real Bev  <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 07/15/2016 03:02 AM, Someone Somewhere wrote:
>>>>> On 15/07/2016 10:52, Tony Mountifield wrote:
>>>>>> I recently went on holiday from the UK to mainland Europe, and took
>>>>>> my Samsung Galaxy S4 running Android 5.0.1 on the EE network.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before I went, I turned off Roaming Data, and also turned off Mobile Data
>>>>>> completely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I entered each country (France, Belgium, Luxembourg and Germany),
>>>>>> I still received texts from EE saying "From EE: Your device is trying to
>>>>>> connect to the internet. To get online abroad, choose a data add-on."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So my question is, if roaming data and mobile data are both turned off
>>>>>> (I checked again each time), why were these messages getting triggered?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Did you actually consume any data?  If not, I suspect it's getting
>>>>> triggered by the handset accessing the SGSN and hence having access to a
>>>>> data channel even if it didn't use it.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a data plan and my phone doesn't work in Mexico, but I get
>>>> these text messages from T-Mobile whenever I cross the border, except it
>>>> tells me that I can make calls for $1.50/minute by blablablabla.
>>>
>>> Yes, I also received the general welcome texts for each country I entered,
>>> but the ones about trying to use the internet were additional and puzzling.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tony
>>>
>>
>> Welcome SMS platforms are mandated for roaming in Europe and hence we're
>> very used to them.  The easiest way for them to work is to sniff the so
>> called location update messages between the roamed to network and the
>> home network - there are two types of these,  one for circuit switched
>> calls and SMS and one for data.
>>
>> However, by just doing a location update doesn't imply any data is going
>> to be used, but it could just be the only thing they look for.
>
>
> Someone I know gets a "Welcome to Spain" message each time he switches
> on his phone, even though he's been back in the UK for months.
>
> His provider doesn't seem to have a solution to his problem, other
> than sending him a new SIM, which of course didn't fix it.
>
> Any advice, or magic incantation he can quote to his provider would be
> appreciated.
>
>
>
Unfortunately these platforms are non-standardised so it's all dependent 
on their platform and how it works.

What I would say is that it seems to have captured his telephone number 
(ie rather than his IMSI, which would have changed when the SIM changed) 
and keeps sending a message to it.

If it isn't using an SMSC it seems the platform may not be getting the 
response message from your friends mobile, but that would be unlikely 
unless many thousands of people were suffering in the same way.  It may 
however be worth moving the SIM to another handset, rebooting a few 
times (or reselecting networks) to see if that clears it.

If it's not that, it's definitely a bug in the platform - presumably it 
is re-using his number rather than someone else (certain circumstances 
may dictate that the message hasn't arrived so it sets a flag in the 
network, and rather than setting it for other numbers it keeps setting 
it for his)

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Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? tony@mountifield.org (Tony Mountifield) - 2016-07-15 09:52 +0000
  Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Someone Somewhere <nntpac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 11:02 +0100
    Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 08:06 -0700
      Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? tony@mountifield.org (Tony Mountifield) - 2016-07-16 08:10 +0000
        Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Someone Somewhere <nntpac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 10:20 +0100
          Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Graham. <graham-usenet@mail.com> - 2016-07-16 12:26 +0100
            Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Someone Somewhere <nntpac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 13:34 +0100
  Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-15 11:04 +0100
    Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> - 2016-07-15 13:26 +0100
      Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-15 14:24 +0100
        Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> - 2016-07-16 08:17 +0100
          Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-16 10:09 +0100
            Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> - 2016-07-16 10:38 +0100
              Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2016-07-16 13:10 +0200
                Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Optimist <v.meldrew@i.do.not.believe.it> - 2016-07-16 14:30 +0100
                Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-07-17 08:14 +0100
                Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> - 2016-07-17 10:53 +0100
  Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2016-07-15 11:31 +0100
  Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 04:49 -0700
    Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? tony@mountifield.org (Tony Mountifield) - 2016-07-15 13:42 +0000
      Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 05:10 -0700
      Re: Still trying to use mobile data when turned off? Mark Carver <invalid.invalid@gmx.net> - 2016-07-17 13:08 +0100

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