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  SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others?  micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-06 21:29 -0400
    Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others?  micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-07 09:15 -0400
      Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:42 +0200
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-07 15:50 +0100
          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-07 17:30 +0200
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-07 17:30 +0200
      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-07 17:27 +0200
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-07 22:09 +0200
          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-10 02:28 +0200
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-10 17:41 +0200
          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-10 09:24 -0800
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-11 10:38 +0200
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-11 02:01 -0800
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-11 12:32 +0100
                  Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-11 08:19 -0800
                    Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-14 19:20 +0200
                      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 10:24 +0100
                        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-15 12:08 +0200
                          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 11:51 +0100
                            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 13:40 +0100
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-11 13:28 +0200
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-11 13:27 +0200
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-11 12:39 +0100
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 10:38 -0700
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-11 13:58 +0000
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-11 14:12 +0000
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-12 20:36 +0200
                  Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-12 20:40 +0000
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-11 08:19 -0800
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-11 08:52 -0800
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-12 20:44 +0200
                  Storage media availability over time (was: Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 09:20 +0100
                    Re: Storage media availability over time Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-16 10:01 -0800
                      Re: Storage media availability over time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-18 14:00 +0200
                        Re: Storage media availability over time "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-18 15:22 +0200
                          Re: Storage media availability over time Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-18 15:44 +0000
                    Re: Storage media availability over time Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-18 13:29 +0200
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-14 19:28 +0200
          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 10:22 +0100
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-15 08:50 -0800
      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-10 02:27 +0200
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-10 08:34 -0800
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-10 13:02 -0400
          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-11 06:20 +0200
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-11 14:37 +0200
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-11 10:21 -0400
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-11 08:18 -0800
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-12 06:00 +0200
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-11 20:47 -0800
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-12 17:03 +0200
                  Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-12 20:41 +0200
                    Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-13 18:59 +0200
                      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-15 07:56 +0200
                        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 11:00 +0100
                          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-15 08:34 -0800
                        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-15 12:10 +0200
                        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-15 19:33 +0200
                          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-16 06:23 +0200
                            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-17 18:18 +0200
                            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-17 17:41 +0000
                              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-18 05:24 +0200
                                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:19 +0000
                    Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-14 00:21 +0200
                      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-14 20:23 -0800
                  Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-14 00:20 +0200
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-14 19:37 +0200
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-15 19:34 +0200
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-15 20:09 +0200
      Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-10 17:38 +0200
        Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-10 11:49 -0400
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-10 18:04 +0200
          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-11 06:33 +0200
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-11 05:54 +0000
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-11 10:10 +0200
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-11 10:18 +0200
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 10:30 +0100
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-15 15:19 +0000
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-11 10:01 +0200
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-11 10:11 +0200
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-11 10:34 +0200
    Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Siard <saylor259@mailbox.org> - 2026-08-07 16:57 +0200
      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-10 02:32 +0200
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Siard <saylor259@mailbox.org> - 2026-08-10 09:25 +0200
          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-10 08:47 +0100
      Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-10 09:40 -0800
    Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:15 +0200
      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-08-07 22:34 +0200
      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-10 08:28 -0800
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-11 10:42 +0200
      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-10 17:40 +0100
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-10 09:28 -0800
    Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 11:43 +0100
      Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-08 20:57 -0400
        Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-09 14:33 +0000
          Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-09 14:28 -0400
            Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-10 08:32 -0800
          Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-09 18:34 -0400
            Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-10 02:20 -0400
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-10 07:31 +0100
              Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2026-08-10 08:59 +0100
                Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-08-10 11:06 +0200
                  Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-10 10:33 +0100
                Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2026-08-10 10:51 +0100
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-08-10 10:25 +0200
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-10 09:43 +0100
                  Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-10 10:34 -0400
                    Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-11 10:24 +0200
              Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-10 09:42 -0400
      Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-09 09:49 +0100
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-09 15:21 +0200
        Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-09 14:21 -0400
          Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-09 22:31 +0200
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-09 19:33 -0400
              Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-10 02:48 +0200
                Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-10 02:25 -0400
    Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-09 14:43 +0000
      Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-10 13:21 -0400
        Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-10 18:01 +0000
          Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-10 14:55 -0400
            Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-10 19:19 +0000
              [OT] non-Unix fingers (was: Re: SD card vs. Esim?   Samsung vs. others?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-11 01:00 +0100
            Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2026-08-11 21:02 +0100

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#155051 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

On 17 Aug 2026 17:41:36 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2026 19:33:16 +0200, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Sat, 15 Aug 2026 07:56:18 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 18:59:41 +0200, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >You wouldn't have to take out the card. Simply connect the phone to your
>> >> >computer with a cable and it will act as a USB storage device.
>> > 
>> >> So the cable itself unencrypts it?
>> >> 
>> >> Does one have to buy a special decrypting cable, or do all USB cables
>> >> do the trick?
>> >
>> >Any USB-C to USB-A cable will do. I can't explain how the process works,
>> >so I'll just quote Arno on this:
>> >
>> ><quote>
>> >
>> >It is unencrypted in the moment you access the files while the phone is
>> >running *and* unlocked when connected via USB.
>> >
>> ></quote>
>> 
>> So if the phone dies and you want your photos, there's no way to
>> unencrypt them?
>
>  Yes, same like if the SD-card dies.
>
>  That's why there's this concept called 'backup'.
>
>> I think I'll pass on the encrpytion. 
>
>  That won't help against the SD-card dying.

No, but if there's this concept called "backup" it makes it easier to
backup if the phone dies.



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#155052 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On 17 Aug 2026 17:41:36 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> >Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 15 Aug 2026 19:33:16 +0200, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On Sat, 15 Aug 2026 07:56:18 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 18:59:41 +0200, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> >You wouldn't have to take out the card. Simply connect the phone to your
> >> >> >computer with a cable and it will act as a USB storage device.
> >> > 
> >> >> So the cable itself unencrypts it?
> >> >> 
> >> >> Does one have to buy a special decrypting cable, or do all USB cables
> >> >> do the trick?
> >> >
> >> >Any USB-C to USB-A cable will do. I can't explain how the process works,
> >> >so I'll just quote Arno on this:
> >> >
> >> ><quote>
> >> >
> >> >It is unencrypted in the moment you access the files while the phone is
> >> >running *and* unlocked when connected via USB.
> >> >
> >> ></quote>
> >> 
> >> So if the phone dies and you want your photos, there's no way to
> >> unencrypt them?
> >
> >  Yes, same like if the SD-card dies.
> >
> >  That's why there's this concept called 'backup'.
> >
> >> I think I'll pass on the encrpytion. 
> >
> >  That won't help against the SD-card dying.
> 
> No, but if there's this concept called "backup" it makes it easier to
> backup if the phone dies.

  Sigh! The point is that *anything* can die. You mentioned the phone
dying. I mentioned the SD-card dying.

  If - as in the above scenario - your photos are on the SD-card and the
SD-card dies, your photos are lost, unless you have backup. So whether
or not the SD-card is encrypted is irrelevant and whether or not the
phone is OK is also irrelevant.

  Bottom line: You need backup for (the Internal storage of) the phone
*and* for the SD-card.

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#154958 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

Steve Hayes, 2026-08-12 20:41:

> On Wed, 12 Aug 2026 17:03:21 +0200, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2026 06:00:05 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>
>>>> Are you planning to encrypt that microSD card?
>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> What difference would it make if I were? 
>>
>> Your data would be protected and I'd expect it to run a bit slower. I'm
>> not sure if the storage on the Redmi itself is encrypted. AFAIK Pixel's
>> storage is encrypted by default (but Google probably has a key).
> 
> And if it were encrypted, how easy would it be to unencrypt if I
> copied it to my computer?

It is unencrypted in the moment you access the files while the phone is
running *and* unlocked when connected via USB.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#154989 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

Arno Welzel wrote:
>> And if it were encrypted, how easy would it be to unencrypt if I
>> copied it to my computer?
> 
> It is unencrypted in the moment you access the files while the phone is
> running *and* unlocked when connected via USB.

The data on the adoptable storage is also likely unencrypted when connected
over Wi-Fi also (and, of course, as you noted, the phone is turned on and
unlocked).

Not just USB. 

Note: I never connect the phone to USB 'cuz connecting to Wi-Fi doesn't
even need the phone to be anywhere near me when I want to use it.

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#154957 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

s|b, 2026-08-12 17:03:

> On Wed, 12 Aug 2026 06:00:05 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
> 
>>> Are you planning to encrypt that microSD card?
>  
>> No.
>>
>> What difference would it make if I were? 
> 
> Your data would be protected and I'd expect it to run a bit slower. I'm
> not sure if the storage on the Redmi itself is encrypted. AFAIK Pixel's
> storage is encrypted by default (but Google probably has a key).

Yes, it's encrypted (also on the Redmi, since this is the standard for
most Android devices for more than 4-5 years if the manufacturer wants
to license Google Play Services), no Google does not have a key.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#154969 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

On 2026-08-11 14:37, s|b wrote:
> A7 Pro has got Nano-SIM + Nano-SIM, same with 15C. I had never heard of
> a physical eSIM, but apparantly it's a thing. A (non physical) eSIM can
> be handy when you travel abroad. You could easily buy one online and you
> don't have to wait until it arrives via snail mail.

It is a card that sits in a SIM slot and can store inside 20 eSIMS, 
intended to add eSIM capability to a phone that doesn't have it.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#155018 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 19:37:16 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

8< snip - physical eSIM >8
> It is a card that sits in a SIM slot and can store inside 20 eSIMS, 
> intended to add eSIM capability to a phone that doesn't have it.

That's even better than what I had in mind.

-- 
s|b

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#155023 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 19:37:16 +0200, "Carlos E. R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2026-08-11 14:37, s|b wrote:
>> A7 Pro has got Nano-SIM + Nano-SIM, same with 15C. I had never heard of
>> a physical eSIM, but apparantly it's a thing. A (non physical) eSIM can
>> be handy when you travel abroad. You could easily buy one online and you
>> don't have to wait until it arrives via snail mail.
>
>It is a card that sits in a SIM slot and can store inside 20 eSIMS, 
>intended to add eSIM capability to a phone that doesn't have it.

Thanks, that explains it. 


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#154877

On Fri, 07 Aug 2026 09:15:22 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 06 Aug 2026 21:29:34 -0400, micky
><NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>>So, I need a new phone and 1) some that I'm looking at have some model
>>that take A) a sim and either a second sim or an SD card. or 
>>          B) a sim and either a second sim or an Esim.   
>>
>>If you had to choose, which is more valuable, an SD slot or an esim
>>slot? 
>>
>>Are there those that have all 3? 
>
>Google ASI says that "flagship phones (like Samsung Galaxy S or Google
>Pixel series) have largely dropped microSD card slots...."  Really? 
>
>When I saw my battery failing, I had time to back up most of what was in
>my phone, but if I had stored everything possible on an SD card, I
>wouldn't have needed warning or last-minute actions.  
>
>I'm surprised I didn't see suggestions to keep things in external
>storage for this reason, but certainly some people already know, so why
>would expensive phones be dropping SD cards? 

Yes, I wondered the same thing. 

My current phone keeps telling me that storage is getting low, and has
removed several apps that I used to use, so I've been looking at
prices of new ones, and was rather to see that the ones with lower
specifications often had a higher price. 


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#154880

In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 10 Aug 2026 17:38:26 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 07 Aug 2026 09:15:22 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
>wrote:
>
>>In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 06 Aug 2026 21:29:34 -0400, micky
>><NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>>So, I need a new phone and 1) some that I'm looking at have some model
>>>that take A) a sim and either a second sim or an SD card. or 
>>>          B) a sim and either a second sim or an Esim.   
>>>
>>>If you had to choose, which is more valuable, an SD slot or an esim
>>>slot? 
>>>
>>>Are there those that have all 3? 
>>
>>Google ASI says that "flagship phones (like Samsung Galaxy S or Google
>>Pixel series) have largely dropped microSD card slots...."  Really? 
>>
>>When I saw my battery failing, I had time to back up most of what was in
>>my phone, but if I had stored everything possible on an SD card, I
>>wouldn't have needed warning or last-minute actions.  
>>
>>I'm surprised I didn't see suggestions to keep things in external
>>storage for this reason, but certainly some people already know, so why
>>would expensive phones be dropping SD cards? 
>
>Yes, I wondered the same thing. 
>
>My current phone keeps telling me that storage is getting low, and has
>removed several apps that I used to use, so I've been looking at
>prices of new ones, and was rather to see that the ones with lower
>specifications often had a higher price. 

There is an incredible -- and I mean that literally. If I hadn't seen it
I would not believe it -- amount of information about phones, half a
dozen videos and texts just comparing two models of the same phone, for
example. 

And your post reminded me of one I saw yesterday whhere this year's
model has half the storage of last years but is 100 dollars more.  He
found some small advantages to this  year, but 128 extra Gb is a big
cost factor yet though it was less, the phone was more. 

And the phone I bought, only 128G. I hope I don't regret that. I coudl
get it with 256 G for $200 more.  I son'r uaw my phonw muxh. I can never
remember numbers. I wish I could remember how much of the phone I had
used. Should have written that down before changing the battery. 

Too much info to read. I'm glad I asked for suggestiosn here.   I'll see
how I feel after it comes tomorrow. 

BTW, I have a physical therapy appt. tomorrow so wanted to send the
delivery to a locker.   Amazon offerred 3, one in New Jersey where I did
some browsing a month or two ago, one that was full, and nee that was
not available.   No apparent way to look for another. 

So I'm letting it go here. Theft has not been a problem  (except for the
one guy whose car was stolen, but none of his packages.)  Another guy
got married and I see Amazon boxes on his stoop all the time now. :-) 

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#154881 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

On 10.08.26 17:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Aug 2026 09:15:22 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 06 Aug 2026 21:29:34 -0400, micky
>> <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So, I need a new phone and 1) some that I'm looking at have some model
>>> that take A) a sim and either a second sim or an SD card. or 
>>>          B) a sim and either a second sim or an Esim.   
>>>
>>> If you had to choose, which is more valuable, an SD slot or an esim
>>> slot? 
>>>
>>> Are there those that have all 3? 
>>
>> Google ASI says that "flagship phones (like Samsung Galaxy S or Google
>> Pixel series) have largely dropped microSD card slots...."  Really? 
>>
>> When I saw my battery failing, I had time to back up most of what was in
>> my phone, but if I had stored everything possible on an SD card, I
>> wouldn't have needed warning or last-minute actions.  
>>
>> I'm surprised I didn't see suggestions to keep things in external
>> storage for this reason, but certainly some people already know, so why
>> would expensive phones be dropping SD cards? 
> 
> Yes, I wondered the same thing. 
> 
> My current phone keeps telling me that storage is getting low, and has
> removed several apps that I used to use, so I've been looking at
> prices of new ones, and was rather to see that the ones with lower
> specifications often had a higher price. 

Try to outsource to Google cloud whatever you can. Think also what
happens in case of loss or theft.

-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita" (Augustinus)

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#154901 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 18:04:26 +0200, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
wrote:

>> My current phone keeps telling me that storage is getting low, and has
>> removed several apps that I used to use, so I've been looking at
>> prices of new ones, and was rather to see that the ones with lower
>> specifications often had a higher price. 
>
>Try to outsource to Google cloud whatever you can. Think also what
>happens in case of loss or theft.

Google cloud, and any other cloud, can delete your data on just about
any pretext, including their AI hallucinating that your data breached
one or other (unspecified) term of service.

It is also my experience that such cloud services become inaccessible
unless you continually "upgrade" your software and hardware, which
nowadays often means that you never end up paying for it. Cloud
storage is OK for the rich, but not for ordinary folk.

I now use a batch file to copy my Dropbox folder from  my desktop to
my laptop, from where I think it may go to the cloud, but they could
stop supporting that at any time too. Same thing happened with
Evernote. You just start getting used to using one of those things
when it stops working, and they say you just need to move on and leave
your data behind. And a few thousand bucks, of course, every month or
every year or whatever. 




-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#154903 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

On 8/10/26 9:33 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:

>Google cloud, and any other cloud, can delete your data on just about
>any pretext, including their AI hallucinating that your data breached
>one or other (unspecified) term of service.

I've used Google Drive (if that's what you mean by Google cloud) for many
 years now with not one problem. I wish some of my other services were as
 reliable.

>It is also my experience that such cloud services become inaccessible
>unless you continually "upgrade" your software and hardware,

My 7 year old phone is my oldest OS at Android 12 and Google Drive works
 just fine on it.

>Cloud storage is OK for the rich, but not for ordinary folk.

Yup. My 2 bucks a month (US) to Google for 1G is really straining my
 budget...  8-O

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#154908 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

On 11.08.26 07:54, AJL wrote:
> On 8/10/26 9:33 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
> 
>> Google cloud, and any other cloud, can delete your data on just about
>> any pretext, including their AI hallucinating that your data breached
>> one or other (unspecified) term of service.
> 
> I've used Google Drive (if that's what you mean by Google cloud) for many
>  years now with not one problem. I wish some of my other services were as
>  reliable.

+1 and also applies to Apple's iCloud and other well known public cloud
providers. Public clouds have uptimes and a reliability which can
*never* be matched by private solutions.

Clouds are no backups! They allow to use sophisticated services and the
secure and safe operation of devices. A good backup strategy is
something separate.

Most old users here are completely centred on their $200 devices for
vital services which is not particularly intelligent. Devices are just
means to access data and services.

Today's philosophy of using digital services is completely different
from what I read in this group.

>> It is also my experience that such cloud services become inaccessible
>> unless you continually "upgrade" your software and hardware,
> 
> My 7 year old phone is my oldest OS at Android 12 and Google Drive works
>  just fine on it.
> 
>> Cloud storage is OK for the rich, but not for ordinary folk.
> 
> Yup. My 2 bucks a month (US) to Google for 1G is really straining my
>  budget...  8-O

+1

-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita" (Augustinus)

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#154910 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

Jörg Lorenz, 2026-08-11 10:10:

> Most old users here are completely centred on their $200 devices for
> vital services which is not particularly intelligent. Devices are just
> means to access data and services.


Exactly - data is important, not the device. Devices can and do fail at
any time. You need to make sure your data is stored in a secure way and
with multiple(!) backups in case a file gets deleted or modified
unintentionally and you realize this only a few weeks later when you
need it.

That's the reason, why I have *all* data on servers (which have of
course also a backup) and use my mobile devices only as local "cache".

My backups are done daily with a deduplicating tool (Borg Backup) which
keeps all changes from the last 6 months without requiring a lot of
extra storage for this.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#154998 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

On 2026-08-11, AJL wrote:

> On 8/10/26 9:33 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>>Google cloud, and any other cloud, can delete your data on just about
>>any pretext, including their AI hallucinating that your data breached
>>one or other (unspecified) term of service.
>
> I've used Google Drive (if that's what you mean by Google cloud) for many
> years now with not one problem. I wish some of my other services were as
> reliable.

This is the very same reasoning that one could use to justify not doing
backups.

"I've not done it for many years with not one problem!"

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#155009 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

On 8/15/26 2:30 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
>On 2026-08-11, AJL wrote:
>> On 8/10/26 9:33 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:

>>>Google cloud, and any other cloud, can delete your data on just about
>>>any pretext, including their AI hallucinating that your data breached
>>>one or other (unspecified) term of service.

>> I've used Google Drive (if that's what you mean by Google cloud) for many
>> years now with not one problem. I wish some of my other services were as
>> reliable.

>This is the very same reasoning that one could use to justify not doing
>backups. "I've not done it for many years with not one problem!"

Nope. Even with no problems I have always kept a local Google Drive backup.
 Likewise I haven't had a car accident in over 65 years and my house hasn't
 burned down in the 26 years I've been here but I still carry insurance.
 Cause you never know when shit might happen...

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#154907 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

On 11.08.26 06:33, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 18:04:26 +0200, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
> wrote:
> 
>>> My current phone keeps telling me that storage is getting low, and has
>>> removed several apps that I used to use, so I've been looking at
>>> prices of new ones, and was rather to see that the ones with lower
>>> specifications often had a higher price. 
>>
>> Try to outsource to Google cloud whatever you can. Think also what
>> happens in case of loss or theft.
> 
> Google cloud, and any other cloud, can delete your data on just about
> any pretext, including their AI hallucinating that your data breached
> one or other (unspecified) term of service.

Your pix of child abuse? Nobody prevents you to backup your cloud-data
to a local hard drive.

> It is also my experience that such cloud services become inaccessible
> unless you continually "upgrade" your software and hardware, which
> nowadays often means that you never end up paying for it. Cloud
> storage is OK for the rich, but not for ordinary folk.

Utter nonsense. $2 or $3 is too much for storing your memories? How
boring is your life?

> I now use a batch file to copy my Dropbox folder from  my desktop to
> my laptop, from where I think it may go to the cloud, but they could
> stop supporting that at any time too. Same thing happened with
> Evernote. You just start getting used to using one of those things
> when it stops working, and they say you just need to move on and leave
> your data behind. And a few thousand bucks, of course, every month or
> every year or whatever.

You do exactely what you think is right for you.

The discussion in this thread is once more the typical geriatric and
senile nonsense from a very distant past.

-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita" (Augustinus)

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#154909 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

Steve Hayes, 2026-08-11 06:33:

> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 18:04:26 +0200, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
> wrote:
> 
>>> My current phone keeps telling me that storage is getting low, and has
>>> removed several apps that I used to use, so I've been looking at
>>> prices of new ones, and was rather to see that the ones with lower
>>> specifications often had a higher price. 
>>
>> Try to outsource to Google cloud whatever you can. Think also what
>> happens in case of loss or theft.
> 
> Google cloud, and any other cloud, can delete your data on just about
> any pretext, including their AI hallucinating that your data breached
> one or other (unspecified) term of service.
> 
> It is also my experience that such cloud services become inaccessible
> unless you continually "upgrade" your software and hardware, which
> nowadays often means that you never end up paying for it. Cloud
> storage is OK for the rich, but not for ordinary folk.

You can backup cloud storage as well - just synchronize Google Drive (or
any other server you use) with you local computer and make a backup from
that in multiple versions, so you can go back in time, if a recent
backup shows missing or damaged files.

And about "for the rich": Hetzner offers a private Nextcloud instance
with 1 TB of storage for less than 5 EUR per month:

<https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share/>

Using DAVx5 you can synchronize all contacts and calendar entries with
that and FolderSync also includes automatic sync with Nextcloud backends
for files - for example when you take a picture, this can get uploaded
automatically when you are back to a WiFi network or even immediately,
if your data plan is ok for that.

Yes, a complete device backup would be better, but this is not possible
with Android, you can only enable Google backup (without Photos etc. to
save storage) which will save *some* (but not all) apps with their
settings and data stored on the device.

> I now use a batch file to copy my Dropbox folder from  my desktop to
> my laptop, from where I think it may go to the cloud, but they could
> stop supporting that at any time too. Same thing happened with
> Evernote. You just start getting used to using one of those things
> when it stops working, and they say you just need to move on and leave
> your data behind. And a few thousand bucks, of course, every month or
> every year or whatever. 

An "Dropbox" is not "cloud"?

-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#154912 — Re: SD card vs. Esim? Samsung vs. others?

On 2026-08-11 10:11, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Steve Hayes, 2026-08-11 06:33:
> 
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 18:04:26 +0200, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> My current phone keeps telling me that storage is getting low, and has
>>>> removed several apps that I used to use, so I've been looking at
>>>> prices of new ones, and was rather to see that the ones with lower
>>>> specifications often had a higher price.
>>>
>>> Try to outsource to Google cloud whatever you can. Think also what
>>> happens in case of loss or theft.
>>
>> Google cloud, and any other cloud, can delete your data on just about
>> any pretext, including their AI hallucinating that your data breached
>> one or other (unspecified) term of service.
>>
>> It is also my experience that such cloud services become inaccessible
>> unless you continually "upgrade" your software and hardware, which
>> nowadays often means that you never end up paying for it. Cloud
>> storage is OK for the rich, but not for ordinary folk.
> 
> You can backup cloud storage as well - just synchronize Google Drive (or
> any other server you use) with you local computer and make a backup from
> that in multiple versions, so you can go back in time, if a recent
> backup shows missing or damaged files.
> 
> And about "for the rich": Hetzner offers a private Nextcloud instance
> with 1 TB of storage for less than 5 EUR per month:
> 
> <https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share/>
> 
> Using DAVx5 you can synchronize all contacts and calendar entries with
> that and FolderSync also includes automatic sync with Nextcloud backends
> for files - for example when you take a picture, this can get uploaded
> automatically when you are back to a WiFi network or even immediately,
> if your data plan is ok for that.
> 
> Yes, a complete device backup would be better, but this is not possible
> with Android, you can only enable Google backup (without Photos etc. to
> save storage) which will save *some* (but not all) apps with their
> settings and data stored on the device.

I use google things for apps, and Amazon something for the photos, but 
it is full. The size I would need is not cheap.

My engineering association has a deal with google, and the size of the 
storage is much bigger, but that is not the account my phone uses.


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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