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  EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-01-03 00:09 -0500
    Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2025-01-03 09:47 +0000
      Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-03 10:04 +0000
        Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2025-01-03 10:08 +0000
          Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-03 11:33 +0000
            Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 13:12 +0000
              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-03 19:03 +0000
                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 11:22 -0800
                  Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-01-08 13:46 -0500
          Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 13:12 +0000
        Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 10:14 +0000
          Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-01-03 10:29 +0000
            Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 13:20 +0000
              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2025-01-03 19:07 +0000
                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-03 11:22 -0800
          Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:17 +0000
            Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-05 16:29 +0000
              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:45 +0000
                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2025-01-05 17:25 +0000
                  Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 17:33 +0000
                    Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2025-01-05 17:44 +0000
                      Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 17:47 +0000
                        Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2025-01-05 18:05 +0000
                          Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-01-05 20:19 +0000
                            Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2025-01-05 20:44 +0000
                              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-01-06 10:15 +1300
                              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-05 22:29 +0100
    Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-08 21:02 +0100
      Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-08 12:20 -0800
        Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-08 22:44 +0100
      Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-08 20:37 +0000
        Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2025-01-08 20:44 +0000
          Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-08 22:57 +0100
        Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-09 16:22 +0000
          Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-09 20:46 +0100
            Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-09 20:49 +0000
              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-09 22:01 +0100
                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-10 00:36 +0000
                  Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-09 17:52 -0800
                  Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-10 04:17 +0100
                    Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-10 06:43 +0000
                      Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-10 00:47 -0800
                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-10 15:47 +0000
                  Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-10 20:29 +0100
                    Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-10 21:20 +0000
                      Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-10 22:42 +0100
                        Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-10 23:13 +0000
                          Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-11 03:18 +0100
                            Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-11 05:18 +0000
                              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-11 15:27 +0100
                                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-11 17:32 +0000
                                  Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-13 18:00 +0100
                                    Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-13 09:15 -0800
                                      Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-14 11:41 +0100
                                        Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-14 13:17 +0100
                                          Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-14 16:16 +0100
                                            Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-14 20:55 +0100
                                              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-14 14:07 -0800
                                          Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-01-14 16:11 +0100
                                            Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-01-14 20:52 +0100
                                              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-14 20:00 +0000
                                                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-14 23:11 +0100
                                              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-01-15 07:01 +0100
                                                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 11:22 +0000
                                                  Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-01-15 13:23 +0100
                                      Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2025-01-14 09:56 -0700
                                  Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-13 23:22 +0100
                                    Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-01-14 07:46 +0100
                                      Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-14 13:33 +0100
                                        Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-14 14:26 +0000
                                          Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-14 23:05 +0100
                                            Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-23 04:03 +0000
                                              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-22 20:31 -0800
                                        Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-01-14 17:54 +0100
                                          Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-14 23:05 +0100
                                            Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-01-15 21:36 +0100
                                              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-23 04:14 +0000
                                                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-22 20:32 -0800
                                                  Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-23 10:20 +0100
                  Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-10 21:15 +0000
                    Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-10 17:16 -0600
                    Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-01-11 22:19 +0100
                      Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-12 16:38 +0000
                        Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-01-12 21:31 +0100
                          Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-12 22:36 +0000
                            Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-01-13 07:37 +0100
                              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Siard <xx@xx.invalid> - 2025-01-13 11:32 +0100
                                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-13 18:09 +0100
                                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-13 09:13 -0800
                                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-01-13 20:35 +0100
                                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-13 23:32 +0100
                              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-13 21:31 +0000
                                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-01-14 07:18 +0100
                                  Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-14 07:37 +0000
                            Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-01-13 18:05 +0100
    Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-25 12:13 -0800
      Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-01-25 17:39 -0500
        Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-25 16:59 -0800
          Re: EU new labelling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-26 03:22 +0100
          Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-01-25 21:44 -0500
            Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-25 19:57 -0800
            Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-26 17:39 -0800
              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-27 12:57 +0100
                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-27 10:31 -0800
                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-01-28 10:25 +1300
                  Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-01-27 21:38 +0000
                    Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-27 13:56 -0800
                      Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-28 01:39 +0100
                        Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-27 16:41 -0800
                          Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-28 12:38 +0100
                            Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-28 12:39 -0800
                              Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-28 23:21 +0100
                                Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-01-28 14:35 -0800
            Re: EI mew ;abeling regulations June 20th 2025 Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-27 07:32 +0000

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#146435

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> R.Wieser, 2025-01-14 16:11:
> 
> > Arno,
> > 
> >>> Hardly ever.
> >>
> >> See that page:
> > 
> > [snip list]
> > 
> > That list shows 17 male "marion"s in 164 years.  That comes down to one in 
> > over 9.5 years.
> 
> Yes - for *known* men. Not every man called "Marion" or "Andrea" is
> listed in Wikipedia. But even I know to men called "Andrea" and one man
> called "Marion" personally.

  And then there's a boy named Sue.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Boy_Named_Sue>

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#146443

On 2025-01-14 21:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>> R.Wieser, 2025-01-14 16:11:
>>
>>> Arno,
>>>
>>>>> Hardly ever.
>>>>
>>>> See that page:
>>>
>>> [snip list]
>>>
>>> That list shows 17 male "marion"s in 164 years.  That comes down to one in
>>> over 9.5 years.
>>
>> Yes - for *known* men. Not every man called "Marion" or "Andrea" is
>> listed in Wikipedia. But even I know to men called "Andrea" and one man
>> called "Marion" personally.
> 
>    And then there's a boy named Sue.
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Boy_Named_Sue>

"The song tells the tale of a young man's quest for revenge on a father 
who abandoned him at three years of age and whose only contribution to 
his entire life was giving him a guitar and naming him Sue, commonly a 
feminine name, which results in the young man suffering from ridicule 
and harassment by everyone he meets. Ashamed of his name, he becomes a 
hard-hearted nomad as a young man; he swears that he will find and kill 
his father for giving him "that awful name". "


Couldn't he just change his name? Or his mother do it? Why did his 
mother not oppose that name? Why did he not hate his mother?

Argh, me trying to make sense of a song.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#146455

Arno,

>> That list shows 17 male "marion"s in 164 years.  That comes down to
>> one in over 9.5 years.
>
> Yes - for *known* men. Not every man called "Marion" or "Andrea" is
> listed in Wikipedia.

Agreed.  But as you have not shown any correlation between known and unknown 
"Marion"s and "Andrea"s you can't extrapolate the "hardly ever" to anything 
more.

Heck, if I would apply the iceberg assumption (10% visible, 90% not) than it 
still looks to be a rather small number.

Though again, having some other, more popular name to compare against would 
be usefull.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#146458

R.Wieser <address@is.invalid> wrote:
> Arno,
> 
>>> That list shows 17 male "marion"s in 164 years.  That comes down to
>>> one in over 9.5 years.
>> 
>> Yes - for *known* men. Not every man called "Marion" or "Andrea" is
>> listed in Wikipedia.
> 
> Agreed.  But as you have not shown any correlation between known and unknown 
> "Marion"s and "Andrea"s you can't extrapolate the "hardly ever" to anything 
> more.
> 
> Heck, if I would apply the iceberg assumption (10% visible, 90% not) than it 
> still looks to be a rather small number.
> 
> Though again, having some other, more popular name to compare against would 
> be usefull.

Fortunately, someone's built an interactive browser: 
https://engaging-data.com/baby-name-visualizer/

Marion for a boy peaked in the 1910s with a rate of 763/million. 

Contrast with Andrew which peaked in the 1980s with 10x more
(7749/million). 

However, note that the overall trend is for all names (in the US) to appear
less frequently as more and more non-traditional names are used. 

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#146459

Chris,

> Marion for a boy peaked in the 1910s with a rate of 763/million.
>
> Contrast with Andrew which peaked in the 1980s with 10x more
> (7749/million).

In that case, 1 on 10, its not what I would call "hardly ever" either.

Thanks.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#146431

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 09:15:11 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2025-01-13 09:00, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 11.01.25 18:32, Marion wrote:
>>> Jesus Christ Carlos.
>>>
>>> What value did you add to this thread that had any semblance of topic?
>>> All you can do is insult people by calling them trolls.
>> 
>> Arlen, you are a Troll. Another brain dead identity. Using a girl's name
>> increases your suvrvivablity? *ROTFLSTC*
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>Now be fair!
>
>"Marion" is a name that is occasionally seen for males.


Although I know a woman named Marion, in my experience, Marion is a
name for men and Marian a name for women.

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#146417

On 2025-01-11 18:32, Marion wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 15:27:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote :
> 
> 
>> On 2025-01-11 06:18, Marion wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 03:18:04 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote :
>>>
>>>> Maybe you will learn that you are stupid insulting people
>>>
>>> OK. Let's run a simple empirical experiment, shall we?
>>>
>>> a. You stop wrongfully accusing me of hiding in the message body
>>
>> But you do hide. You are constantly changing names in order to confuse 
>> people in thinking you are a new guy instead of old Arlen and evading 
>> kill file filters.
>>
>>> b. And I'll stop proving that you're a moron by pointing to what you do
>>
>> Everybody knows you lie and insult when people do not agree with what 
>> you say.
>>
>>>
>>> How's that for a good experiment, Carlos?
>>> A. You immediately stop insulting me (which is what started this 
>>> tangent).
>>
>> I have never insulted you. Post the quote.
>>
>>> B. Then I'll stop responding to your insults (because they won't be 
>>> there).
>>>
>>> Deal?
>>> That way we can get back to kind-hearted purposefully helpful posts.
> 
> Jesus Christ Carlos.
> What value did you add to this thread that had any semblance of topic?
> All you can do is insult people by calling them trolls.
> 
> You can't possibly add even a single iota of on-topic value.
> In fact, everything from you *subtracts* value from this thread Carlos.
> 

Not reading further. You are a troll. That's not an insult, it is a 
FACT. If you do things that trolls do (like change names), then you are 
a troll, period.

And about everybody agrees.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#146420

Carlos,

> If you do things that trolls do (like change names), then you are a troll, 
> period.

If that would be the /only/ thing he would do - so he can't be 
(automatically) tracked (by unnamed nasties) as he explains it - than I 
would consider it to be his peculiarity.  Not always handy, but rather 
harmless.   The other behaviours he is exhibiting ?  Not so much.

And I don't think he's troll - at least not in the definition that he enjoys 
the ruckus he's causing.    For instance, he's not jumping at stuff a true 
(malicious or not) troll would have a field day with, goading his opponents 
even further.

Besides, a troll normaly ends with (good-humoured or not) telling/showing 
his opponent(s) how they fell for their goading.  Instead arlen here just 
"fades away".

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#146426

On 2025-01-14 07:46, R.Wieser wrote:
> Carlos,
> 
>> If you do things that trolls do (like change names), then you are a troll,
>> period.
> 
> If that would be the /only/ thing he would do - so he can't be
> (automatically) tracked (by unnamed nasties) as he explains it - than I
> would consider it to be his peculiarity.  Not always handy, but rather
> harmless.   The other behaviours he is exhibiting ?  Not so much.
> 
> And I don't think he's troll - at least not in the definition that he enjoys
> the ruckus he's causing.    For instance, he's not jumping at stuff a true
> (malicious or not) troll would have a field day with, goading his opponents
> even further.
> 
> Besides, a troll normaly ends with (good-humoured or not) telling/showing
> his opponent(s) how they fell for their goading.  Instead arlen here just
> "fades away".

We would have to discuss types of trolls :-)
I'm not an expert on that.


He claims that he can be found by inspecting his headers and that I'm 
stupid for not finding him fast. Is that true, is there a header that 
gives him away, or at least rise the suspicions?

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#146427

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[...] 

[About 'Arlen':]

> He claims that he can be found by inspecting his headers and that I'm 
> stupid for not finding him fast. Is that true, is there a header that 
> gives him away, or at least rise the suspicions?

  He changes his story/excuses over the years, but for quite some time
he has been claiming that it should be evident from the *body* (not the
headers) that it's him and that anyone who can not do that within one or
two posts is stupid, etc..

  Of course that argument is invalid and also invalidates most other
claims/arguments he makes about his so-called "tutorials".

  Identifying him via the headers of his posts is not practical. The
only common factor is that he mostly uses news servers which are
considered more or less rogue, but other people are also using those
servers.

  That leaves us with identifying his hundred or so nyms one-by-one and
putting them in our (software or/and mental) filters.

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#146442

On 2025-01-14 15:26, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> [...]
> 
> [About 'Arlen':]
> 
>> He claims that he can be found by inspecting his headers and that I'm
>> stupid for not finding him fast. Is that true, is there a header that
>> gives him away, or at least rise the suspicions?
> 
>    He changes his story/excuses over the years, but for quite some time
> he has been claiming that it should be evident from the *body* (not the
> headers) that it's him and that anyone who can not do that within one or
> two posts is stupid, etc..
> 
>    Of course that argument is invalid and also invalidates most other
> claims/arguments he makes about his so-called "tutorials".
> 
>    Identifying him via the headers of his posts is not practical. The
> only common factor is that he mostly uses news servers which are
> considered more or less rogue, but other people are also using those
> servers.
> 
>    That leaves us with identifying his hundred or so nyms one-by-one and
> putting them in our (software or/and mental) filters.

Right. Confirms my thoughts.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#146495

On 14 Jan 2025 14:26:51 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :


>   He changes his story/excuses over the years, 

Bullshit. I care about privacy. If you don't know that by now, that's YOUR
problem, not mine. It's sad you can't comprehend something that simple.

> but for quite some time
> he has been claiming that it should be evident from the *body* (not the
> headers) that it's him and that anyone who can not do that within one or
> two posts is stupid, etc..

Jesus Christ, Frank.

Of all people on this ng, you ran your own NNTP server, and we have
discussed, at length, in the past, that I can change (almost) any header to
whatever I want it to be (as long as it's not injected by the server).

I haven't reacted to Carlos' claims that I said I could easily be located
in robotic scripts by some supposedly cryptic purposefully intruded header
spit - but - the fact is I would never have said something that stupid.

Carlos, in his normal trolling fashion - simply made that up on his own.

The whole point, for God's sake, of munging the *headers* is so that
robotic scripts wouldn't be able to gather my many thousands (or whatever
number there is) of my posts in decades of posting to Usenet & elsewhere.

>   Of course that argument is invalid and also invalidates most other
> claims/arguments he makes about his so-called "tutorials".

Sometimes Frank, you say intelligent things (such as your SMB ports
information) but sometimes you say the dumbest things that make me shake my
head in dismay.

I suspect you are trolling me on your untoward deprecation of my many
hundreds of tutorials over the decades is because you can't write even one. 

Those *tutorials* are so detailed that they contain every step, e.g., how
to turn an iPad into a USB stick - which only one person in ten million
knows how to do (my estimate) given there are extremely special tricks
involved when you need to *write* to the entire iOS file system, Frank.

I explain every single step, usually in a cut-and-paste manner, Frank.
Every single step of my tutorials have been tested by me to work, Frank.

That's *why* they're tutorials.

How many tutorials have *you* written, Frank?

HINT: The answer is zero.

The fact that I've added more value in a single tutorial than you have
added in your entire life, Frank, is not lost on me when you deprecate
them.

You're the troll here, by doing that. Not me for responding to you.

>   Identifying him via the headers of his posts is not practical.

Hint: It should be impossible, although I could munge the headers far more
frequently than I do; but I don't. I munge them when they need to be
munged.

If someone can't tell my posts from the *body* of the post, then I have to
say that they're not all that intelligent - since I don't hide in the body.

Who else posts this kind of detail, Frank, in the body of their articles?
 <https://i.postimg.cc/zD0DVSny/debug-20250122-newpipe.jpg>

Given the fact that the *body* is obviously mine when it includes those
images, it's sadly hilarious in a sadly poignant way, when people like
Carlos & Jeorg (and others) scream out in ecstatic joy *I FOUND YOU!*.

In fact, every time you or someone else claims *I FOUND YOU!*, I shake my
head in sad dismay since when you do that, you prove your IQ to the world.

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#146497

On 2025-01-22 20:03, Marion wrote:
> On 14 Jan 2025 14:26:51 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :
> 
> 
>>   He changes his story/excuses over the years, 
> 
> Bullshit. I care about privacy. If you don't know that by now, that's YOUR
> problem, not mine. It's sad you can't comprehend something that simple.
> 
>> but for quite some time
>> he has been claiming that it should be evident from the *body* (not the
>> headers) that it's him and that anyone who can not do that within one or
>> two posts is stupid, etc..
> 
> Jesus Christ, Frank.
> 
> Of all people on this ng, you ran your own NNTP server, and we have
> discussed, at length, in the past, that I can change (almost) any header to
> whatever I want it to be (as long as it's not injected by the server).
> 
> I haven't reacted to Carlos' claims that I said I could easily be located
> in robotic scripts by some supposedly cryptic purposefully intruded header
> spit - but - the fact is I would never have said something that stupid.
> 
> Carlos, in his normal trolling fashion - simply made that up on his own.
> 
> The whole point, for God's sake, of munging the *headers* is so that
> robotic scripts wouldn't be able to gather my many thousands (or whatever
> number there is) of my posts in decades of posting to Usenet & elsewhere.
Except that if you're using a fake name...

...then there is no actual connection to use AS A PERSON.

So you wouldn't need to change the fake name...

..over...

...and over...

...and over...

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#146430

Carlos,

>> Besides, a troll normaly ends with (good-humoured or not) telling/showing
>> his opponent(s) how they fell for their goading.  Instead arlen here just
>> "fades away".
>
> We would have to discuss types of trolls :-)
> I'm not an expert on that.

Luckily(!), neither am I. :-)

> He claims that he can be found by inspecting his headers and that I'm
> stupid for not finding him fast. Is that true, is there a header that
> gives him away, or at least rise the suspicions?

Not that  I know of.   Although in this case his (chosen by himself)
"@facts.com" email addy does give a bit of a hint.

Furthermore "marion"s first post(!) containing "they're a moron" was enough
to raise my suspicion, and the complaining about "I figured you out" will
most likely have been a lighthouse signal to the one who made that remark.

Quite a while ago I asked the same to someone here who said he had
experience/knowledge with email and newsgroup headers, and even he said he
could effectivily only make guesses.

Also, being able to just extract the users identity from the newspost
headers would no go well with most of people - including arlen here - and
the newsgroup provider enabeling such a thing would be hemmoraging users
when that would come out in the open.

So no, there isn't anything in there from which you can extract a posters
identity.

However, there is a (likely) possibility that one of those headers contains
a random(sh?) number which, if you have access to the newsgroup-servers
look-up table you could find the number and next to it the identification
the person used to sign up with.

Than again, IIRC until last year I used an newgroup host which didn't ask
for a signup, so the trace would end there.

And do realize that arlen is one of the knights-of-claim-a-lot, meaning that
he seldom, if ever, supports his claims with verifyable data.

There are a few possibilities for his claim :

1) He actually is able to do what he says.  Though he's way to eager to show
off what all he can do, so I think we can forget about that.

2) He thinks he noticed a constant or a pattern in those newsgroup-message
headers contents, and concluded that that identifies him - blightely
ignoring that even if we would know where that that constant would be
located in the headers, we would not be able to ascertain who that that
constant  belongs to.

3) He's goading you/us with some "I know something you don't so I'm more
important than you!".   Which he definitily is the person for.

Last but not least, I've not heard of anyone being able to do what arlen
there has been claiming for years now.

To recuperate :

> is there a header that gives him away, or at least rise the suspicions?

Not to my knowledge.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#146441

On 2025-01-14 17:54, R.Wieser wrote:
> Carlos,
> 
>>> Besides, a troll normaly ends with (good-humoured or not) telling/showing
>>> his opponent(s) how they fell for their goading.  Instead arlen here just
>>> "fades away".
>>
>> We would have to discuss types of trolls :-)
>> I'm not an expert on that.
> 
> Luckily(!), neither am I. :-)
> 
>> He claims that he can be found by inspecting his headers and that I'm
>> stupid for not finding him fast. Is that true, is there a header that
>> gives him away, or at least rise the suspicions?
> 
> Not that  I know of.   Although in this case his (chosen by himself)
> "@facts.com" email addy does give a bit of a hint.

Right! That's in the name I use for his filter.

> 
> Furthermore "marion"s first post(!) containing "they're a moron" was enough
> to raise my suspicion, and the complaining about "I figured you out" will
> most likely have been a lighthouse signal to the one who made that remark.

That's true.

> 
> Quite a while ago I asked the same to someone here who said he had
> experience/knowledge with email and newsgroup headers, and even he said he
> could effectivily only make guesses.
> 
> Also, being able to just extract the users identity from the newspost
> headers would no go well with most of people - including arlen here - and
> the newsgroup provider enabeling such a thing would be hemmoraging users
> when that would come out in the open.
> 
> So no, there isn't anything in there from which you can extract a posters
> identity.
> 
> However, there is a (likely) possibility that one of those headers contains
> a random(sh?) number which, if you have access to the newsgroup-servers
> look-up table you could find the number and next to it the identification
> the person used to sign up with.

Yes, of course.

> 
> Than again, IIRC until last year I used an newgroup host which didn't ask
> for a signup, so the trace would end there.
> 
> And do realize that arlen is one of the knights-of-claim-a-lot, meaning that
> he seldom, if ever, supports his claims with verifyable data.

Right.

> 
> There are a few possibilities for his claim :
> 
> 1) He actually is able to do what he says.  Though he's way to eager to show
> off what all he can do, so I think we can forget about that.
> 
> 2) He thinks he noticed a constant or a pattern in those newsgroup-message
> headers contents, and concluded that that identifies him - blightely
> ignoring that even if we would know where that that constant would be
> located in the headers, we would not be able to ascertain who that that
> constant  belongs to.
> 
> 3) He's goading you/us with some "I know something you don't so I'm more
> important than you!".   Which he definitily is the person for.
> 
> Last but not least, I've not heard of anyone being able to do what arlen
> there has been claiming for years now.

Right.

> 
> To recuperate :
> 
>> is there a header that gives him away, or at least rise the suspicions?
> 
> Not to my knowledge.

Ok, so I was not missing anything.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#146462

Carlos,

>>> is there a header that gives him away, or at least rise the suspicions?
>>
>> Not to my knowledge.
>
> Ok, so I was not missing anything.

That, or all of us here past and present, as well as security-oriented 
researchers* are.

* like "Krebs on Security"

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#146496

On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:54:10 +0100, R.Wieser wrote :


>  I've not heard of anyone being able to do what arlen
> there has been claiming for years now.

Rudy,

You are a troll, which is fine, and Carlos is a troll, which is also fine,
but the fact you two are discussing ad infinitum a falsity that Carlos
simply fabricated out of nothing - proves neither of you own a synapse.

If you can't tell, instantly, from the *body* of a message that it's from
me, then I claim that your IQ is so low, nothing you say will ever matter.

If you can't tell that any post with this kind of image is from me, then
nobody on the planet can help you because you're an utter moron, Rudy.
 <https://i.postimg.cc/zD0DVSny/debug-20250122-newpipe.jpg>

Rest assured, I'm well aware you & Carlos hate me because I've provided
more on-topic value in one day than you have in your entire lives.

But for you and Carlos to discuss ad infinitum Carlos' ridiculously made up
falsity, simply shows that the two of you are wasting everyone's time here.

You (including Allen, Joerg, Chris, et al.) are the trolls on this ng.
Not me.

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#146498

On 2025-01-22 20:14, Marion wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:54:10 +0100, R.Wieser wrote :
> 
> 
>>  I've not heard of anyone being able to do what arlen
>> there has been claiming for years now.
> 
> Rudy,
> 
> You are a troll, which is fine, and Carlos is a troll, which is also fine,
> but the fact you two are discussing ad infinitum a falsity that Carlos
> simply fabricated out of nothing - proves neither of you own a synapse.
> 
> If you can't tell, instantly, from the *body* of a message that it's from
> me, then I claim that your IQ is so low, nothing you say will ever matter.
Except the filters available in Usenet clients can't make that 
distinction...

...so you're changing your nym to avoid those.

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#146502

On 2025-01-23 05:32, Alan wrote:
> On 2025-01-22 20:14, Marion wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:54:10 +0100, R.Wieser wrote :
>>
>>
>>>  I've not heard of anyone being able to do what arlen
>>> there has been claiming for years now.
>>
>> Rudy,
>>
>> You are a troll, which is fine, and Carlos is a troll, which is also 
>> fine,
>> but the fact you two are discussing ad infinitum a falsity that Carlos
>> simply fabricated out of nothing - proves neither of you own a synapse.
>>
>> If you can't tell, instantly, from the *body* of a message that it's from
>> me, then I claim that your IQ is so low, nothing you say will ever 
>> matter.
> Except the filters available in Usenet clients can't make that 
> distinction...
> 
> ...so you're changing your nym to avoid those.

Exactly.

It is his claim that we can tell instantly that it is him that made me 
wonder.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#146376

On 10 Jan 2025 15:47:27 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :


>   In this short subthread he both praised and insulted me, 

Frank,

When you teach a class of students, you praise individuals when they say
useful things, and you gently chastise them when they say absurd things.

a. What you term an "insult" simply means you say absurd things.
b. What you term "praise" simply means you sometimes don't.

How I react to you depends on what YOU say, Frank.
I'm extremely consistent.

> while I have
> not responded to him, not now and not in a long time. Normally he has
> some bogus 'explanation' for this inconsistent behaviour of his, but
> even that can not apply in this case.

It's extremely consistent Frank.
a. When YOU say absurd things - I disagree with you.
b. When YOU say correct things - I concur.

The only person "inconsistent" here.... is YOU.
Not me.

I've been the same for decades - and that's all the more reason that people
like Carlos who scream out "I found you" are simply proving they're morons.

If it takes you more than one or two posts to figure out mine, then there
is something drastically wrong with you since even my images are the same
over the years - and they're all unique - as nobody posts what I post.
 <https://i.postimg.cc/x1BL0M8G/shortcut-location-accuracy04.jpg>

After seeing just one of those, anyone who claims "I'm hiding" from them is
simply stating that they're like the mentally handicapped who claim "I
found it" when they see the Easter egg on the table which is not hidden.

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