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  Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2026-08-03 19:32 -0700
    Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-04 09:31 +0000
      Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-08-04 09:50 -0500
        Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-08-04 10:01 -0500
          Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-04 08:08 -0800
          Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2026-08-04 10:31 -0700
            Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-04 09:35 -0800
            Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-08-04 23:15 -0500
              Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-05 15:58 +0000
                Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2026-08-05 09:46 -0700
                Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-08-05 11:50 -0500
                  Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-05 18:15 +0000
                    Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-05 11:49 -0800
                      Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-05 20:56 +0000
                  Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:53 +0200
                    Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-06 15:46 +0000
                    Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-06 08:33 -0800
                Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-07 20:17 +0000
                  Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-07 20:22 +0000
                  Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-07 22:25 +0200
                    Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-07 19:30 -0800
                      Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-08-08 06:12 +0000
                        Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-08 09:21 +0200
        Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-04 08:09 -0800
        Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-04 18:06 +0000
      Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-04 08:10 -0800
        Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-04 18:06 +0000
          Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-04 11:58 -0800
    Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-04 08:10 -0800
      Re: Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-04 08:25 -0800

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#154656 — Clock App - Can I Go Back a Version?

When Samsung updated my S24 FE from v8.0 to v8.5 the clock app was changed.
I'm not having any substantial problems with it, but I liked the esthetics
of the previous version better.  Is it possible to go back a version for
this one (clock) app, without having to go thru a bunch of phone
modifications?

I can't even figure out who authored the app--was it Android, Samsung,
or...?

-- 
croy

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#154657

croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
> When Samsung updated my S24 FE from v8.0 to v8.5 the clock app was changed.
> I'm not having any substantial problems with it, but I liked the esthetics
> of the previous version better.  Is it possible to go back a version for
> this one (clock) app, without having to go thru a bunch of phone
> modifications?
> 
> I can't even figure out who authored the app--was it Android, Samsung,
> or...?

  See VanguardLH's recent 'Where did the Clock app/widget go?' post/
thread.

  He 'lost' his Clock app and installed a version from Google Play. That
version behaved The Old Way (TM).

  After installing that version, the next problem is how to prevent it
from be updated again to The New Way (TM)! :-)

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#154658

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> After installing that version, the next problem is how to prevent it
> from be updated again to The New Way (TM)! :-)

Disable the auto-update option for an app in the Play Store app:

- Load Google's Play Store app.
- Tap on your profile pic icon (top right).
- Tap on Manage apps & devices.
- Tap on the Manage tab.
- Tap on an app.
- Tap on the 3 vertical dot menu icon (top right).
- Deselect the Enable auto update option.

The app will no longer be updated unless you accidentally or blithely
tap on Update All when reviewing available updates.

Samsung also has its own Store app.  The procedure is similar:

- Load Samsung's Store app.
- Tap on the Menu icon in the navbar at the bottom.
- Tap on My apps.
- Tap on an app.
- Tap on the 3 vertical button menu icon (top right).
- Deselect the Auto update option.

If an app goes on Google's "bad app" list, the Play Store app will
remove it from your phone.  If an app is not compatible with your phone
(the app you want is incompatible, or it is a new version of an app you
have but not compatible in the new version), the Play Store won't show
it in an app search.  If an existing app on your phone is no longer
compatible (the app author upped the sysreqs), the Play Store will
detect the newer version of the app is not compatible with your phone,
and won't update it.

I haven't used nor investigated the Samsung Store app to know what it
does regarding curated apps that are later determined to be bad, or for
apps that are or become incompatible with your phone.  But both the
Google Play Store and Samsung Store apps have the option to disable the
auto-update, but only on a per-app basis.  For N apps you want to block
auto-update, you have to go through the above procedures N times.

However, I have read an occasional report stating that the store apps
will override the disabled auto-update option.  Don't remember if the
override was for curated apps you installed that were later determined
to be evil, or for some other cause sanctioned by Google or Samsung.  Of
course, the store apps don't list themselves in their app lists, so you
can't get at an auto-update option for them.

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#154659

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> After installing that version, the next problem is how to prevent it
>> from be updated again to The New Way (TM)! :-)
> 
> Disable the auto-update option for an app in the Play Store app:
> 
> - Load Google's Play Store app.
> - Tap on your profile pic icon (top right).
> - Tap on Manage apps & devices.
> - Tap on the Manage tab.
> - Tap on an app.
> - Tap on the 3 vertical dot menu icon (top right).
> - Deselect the Enable auto update option.
> 
> The app will no longer be updated unless you accidentally or blithely
> tap on Update All when reviewing available updates.
> 
> Samsung also has its own Store app.  The procedure is similar:
> 
> - Load Samsung's Store app.
> - Tap on the Menu icon in the navbar at the bottom.
> - Tap on My apps.
> - Tap on an app.
> - Tap on the 3 vertical button menu icon (top right).
> - Deselect the Auto update option.
> 
> If an app goes on Google's "bad app" list, the Play Store app will
> remove it from your phone.  If an app is not compatible with your phone
> (the app you want is incompatible, or it is a new version of an app you
> have but not compatible in the new version), the Play Store won't show
> it in an app search.  If an existing app on your phone is no longer
> compatible (the app author upped the sysreqs), the Play Store will
> detect the newer version of the app is not compatible with your phone,
> and won't update it.
> 
> I haven't used nor investigated the Samsung Store app to know what it
> does regarding curated apps that are later determined to be bad, or for
> apps that are or become incompatible with your phone.  But both the
> Google Play Store and Samsung Store apps have the option to disable the
> auto-update, but only on a per-app basis.  For N apps you want to block
> auto-update, you have to go through the above procedures N times.
> 
> However, I have read an occasional report stating that the store apps
> will override the disabled auto-update option.  Don't remember if the
> override was for curated apps you installed that were later determined
> to be evil, or for some other cause sanctioned by Google or Samsung.  Of
> course, the store apps don't list themselves in their app lists, so you
> can't get at an auto-update option for them.

I found a shortcut in the Google Play Store app if you want to disable
auto-update on ALL apps, not just one app.

- Tap on your profile pic icon (top right).
- Scroll down to tap on the Settings entry.
- Tap on Network preferences.
- Tap on Auto-update apps.
- Select Don't auto-update apps.

You'll probably have to manually initiate a scan for updates, and elect
which ones to install.  I haven't used this last method since I've only
had the need in the past to disable auto-update on one app.

Note that it isn't just the store apps that detect if there are newer
versions of apps, and will install them.  Apps themselves can check for
updates.  They may continually nag there is a newer version, or cripple
themselves if their manifest declares an existing app is incompatible
with your device.  I had one from Bryant for remote control of their
smart thermostat that kept nagging me there was a newer version, but the
newer version was not compatible with my old Android version, so I could
not update.  The store app wouldn't list it, and the play.google.com
website would list the newer version, but flagged it as incompatible, so
I couldn't install it.  Disabling auto-update in the store app did not
eliminate the app itself nagging there was a newer version.  I had to
suffer the nag until I later got a new phone with a later version of
Android moving me from v8 to v15.

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#154660

VanguardLH wrote:
> I found a shortcut in the Google Play Store app if you want to disable
> auto-update on ALL apps, not just one app.
> 
> - Tap on your profile pic icon (top right).
> - Scroll down to tap on the Settings entry.
> - Tap on Network preferences.
> - Tap on Auto-update apps.
> - Select Don't auto-update apps.
> 
> You'll probably have to manually initiate a scan for updates, and elect
> which ones to install.  I haven't used this last method since I've only
> had the need in the past to disable auto-update on one app.

The way to stop those server-side updates isn't trivial if the server is
required for normal use such as with Skyica or with WhatsApp, both of which
enforce server-side nags which will disable the app after a set period if
you don't follow through with the update that it wants you to perform.

If the app doesn't need the Internet, then it is trivial to stop it.
But most of the apps that enforce the update actually require the net.

> Note that it isn't just the store apps that detect if there are newer
> versions of apps, and will install them.  Apps themselves can check for
> updates.  They may continually nag there is a newer version, or cripple
> themselves if their manifest declares an existing app is incompatible
> with your device.  I had one from Bryant for remote control of their
> smart thermostat that kept nagging me there was a newer version, but the
> newer version was not compatible with my old Android version, so I could
> not update.  The store app wouldn't list it, and the play.google.com
> website would list the newer version, but flagged it as incompatible, so
> I couldn't install it.  Disabling auto-update in the store app did not
> eliminate the app itself nagging there was a newer version.  I had to
> suffer the nag until I later got a new phone with a later version of
> Android moving me from v8 to v15.


Google Play only updates apps that it thinks are apps it should look at.
For example, it looks at apps whose installer is "com.android.vending".

When we go into:
  Play Store -> Profile -> Settings -> Network preferences -> 
  Auto-update apps -> Don't auto-update apps, 
We are only telling the Play Store:
  Do not automatically update any apps that the Play Store manages.

That includes:
 a. All apps installed from the Play Store
 b. All apps sideloaded but still recognized by the Play Store
 c. System apps that receive updates through the Play Store 

But it does not include all apps which have updates on the play store.
Nor any apps that have updates, but just not on the play store.

We've covered many times this topic, where, if we really want to update an
app, the google play store is not the way to do it in one simple easy pass.

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#154666

On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 10:01:11 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

>VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>
>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> After installing that version, the next problem is how to prevent it
>>> from be updated again to The New Way (TM)! :-)
>> 
>> Disable the auto-update option for an app in the Play Store app:
>> 
>> - Load Google's Play Store app.
>> - Tap on your profile pic icon (top right).
>> - Tap on Manage apps & devices.
>> - Tap on the Manage tab.
>> - Tap on an app.
>> - Tap on the 3 vertical dot menu icon (top right).
>> - Deselect the Enable auto update option.
>> 
>> The app will no longer be updated unless you accidentally or blithely
>> tap on Update All when reviewing available updates.
>> 
>> Samsung also has its own Store app.  The procedure is similar:
>> 
>> - Load Samsung's Store app.
>> - Tap on the Menu icon in the navbar at the bottom.
>> - Tap on My apps.
>> - Tap on an app.
>> - Tap on the 3 vertical button menu icon (top right).
>> - Deselect the Auto update option.
>> 
>> If an app goes on Google's "bad app" list, the Play Store app will
>> remove it from your phone.  If an app is not compatible with your phone
>> (the app you want is incompatible, or it is a new version of an app you
>> have but not compatible in the new version), the Play Store won't show
>> it in an app search.  If an existing app on your phone is no longer
>> compatible (the app author upped the sysreqs), the Play Store will
>> detect the newer version of the app is not compatible with your phone,
>> and won't update it.
>> 
>> I haven't used nor investigated the Samsung Store app to know what it
>> does regarding curated apps that are later determined to be bad, or for
>> apps that are or become incompatible with your phone.  But both the
>> Google Play Store and Samsung Store apps have the option to disable the
>> auto-update, but only on a per-app basis.  For N apps you want to block
>> auto-update, you have to go through the above procedures N times.
>> 
>> However, I have read an occasional report stating that the store apps
>> will override the disabled auto-update option.  Don't remember if the
>> override was for curated apps you installed that were later determined
>> to be evil, or for some other cause sanctioned by Google or Samsung.  Of
>> course, the store apps don't list themselves in their app lists, so you
>> can't get at an auto-update option for them.
>
>I found a shortcut in the Google Play Store app if you want to disable
>auto-update on ALL apps, not just one app.
>
>- Tap on your profile pic icon (top right).
>- Scroll down to tap on the Settings entry.
>- Tap on Network preferences.
>- Tap on Auto-update apps.
>- Select Don't auto-update apps.
>
>You'll probably have to manually initiate a scan for updates, and elect
>which ones to install.  I haven't used this last method since I've only
>had the need in the past to disable auto-update on one app.
>
>Note that it isn't just the store apps that detect if there are newer
>versions of apps, and will install them.  Apps themselves can check for
>updates.  They may continually nag there is a newer version, or cripple
>themselves if their manifest declares an existing app is incompatible
>with your device.  I had one from Bryant for remote control of their
>smart thermostat that kept nagging me there was a newer version, but the
>newer version was not compatible with my old Android version, so I could
>not update.  The store app wouldn't list it, and the play.google.com
>website would list the newer version, but flagged it as incompatible, so
>I couldn't install it.  Disabling auto-update in the store app did not
>eliminate the app itself nagging there was a newer version.  I had to
>suffer the nag until I later got a new phone with a later version of
>Android moving me from v8 to v15.

Good stuff!  Thanks!

Now, if I could just figure out how to get a particular version of the
Samsung clock app.  With the Google Play Store is seems to be, "get it, or
don't get it".  And it shows that it's already installed, which it is, but
I'd still like to go back to the previous version.

-- 
croy

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#154667

croy wrote:
> Now, if I could just figure out how to get a particular version of the
> Samsung clock app.  With the Google Play Store is seems to be, "get it, or
> don't get it".  And it shows that it's already installed, which it is, but
> I'd still like to go back to the previous version.

That was already answered here as you're not the only one needing it.

 Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
 Subject: Re: Where did the Clock app/widget go?
 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2026 08:34:15 -0800
 Message-ID: <114t4a7$1e1l$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

You can get (and install) any version you like.
Without losing any data.

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#154681

croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

> Now, if I could just figure out how to get a particular version of the
> Samsung clock app.  With the Google Play Store is seems to be, "get it, or
> don't get it".  And it shows that it's already installed, which it is, but
> I'd still like to go back to the previous version.

The version at the Play Store will be the latest at Google's store.  For
now, the version at Google's Play Store is older than the version
offered by the Samsung Store app.

If you already have the same version as offered at the Play Store, there
is no reverse option to get an older version than that.  While possible
to side load an APK to get an old version, I don't know where you would
find the APKs for old versions of Samsung's Clock app.

I can do a web search just like you on "samsung clock app old version".
One hit pointed to:

https://samsung-clock.en.uptodown.com/android/versions
https://androidapks.com/samsung-clock/com-sec-android-app-clockpackage/old/

Obviously those are not a Samsung website nor a Google website.  Up to
you if you want to trust exectuable content from elsewhere.

The Web will also tell you how to side load APKs onto your phone.
You'll need to disable the option in the Play Store app that blocks side
loads.

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#154687

On 8/4/26 9:15 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

>> Now, if I could just figure out how to get a particular version of the
>> Samsung clock app.  With the Google Play Store is seems to be, "get it, or
>> don't get it".  And it shows that it's already installed, which it is, but
>> I'd still like to go back to the previous version.

>The version at the Play Store will be the latest at Google's store.  For
>now, the version at Google's Play Store is older than the version
>offered by the Samsung Store app.


>If you already have the same version as offered at the Play Store, there
>is no reverse option to get an older version than that.

Actually there is. I just got a new toy, A TCL Tab 10 Gen 4 Android tablet.
 I discovered earlier that if I tried to delete the Samsung Clock app on my
 phone in the Play Store it just removed the updates. So far it's stayed but
 my old phone stopped getting updates long ago so YMMV. Anyway I tried it on
 my new TCL tablet which has Google Clock and it dropped it from Clock
 version 9.0 to 8.5. Course I'm not sure how useful that would be as you
 can't pick the older version that you get and you have to turn off updates
 or it reverts, but for arguments sake, you CAN get an older version in the
 Play Store...  ;)

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#154689

On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 15:58:35 -0000 (UTC), AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>On 8/4/26 9:15 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>>croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
>
>>> Now, if I could just figure out how to get a particular version of the
>>> Samsung clock app.  With the Google Play Store is seems to be, "get it, or
>>> don't get it".  And it shows that it's already installed, which it is, but
>>> I'd still like to go back to the previous version.
>
>>The version at the Play Store will be the latest at Google's store.  For
>>now, the version at Google's Play Store is older than the version
>>offered by the Samsung Store app.
>
>
>>If you already have the same version as offered at the Play Store, there
>>is no reverse option to get an older version than that.
>
>Actually there is. I just got a new toy, A TCL Tab 10 Gen 4 Android tablet.
> I discovered earlier that if I tried to delete the Samsung Clock app on my
> phone in the Play Store it just removed the updates. So far it's stayed but
> my old phone stopped getting updates long ago so YMMV. Anyway I tried it on
> my new TCL tablet which has Google Clock and it dropped it from Clock
> version 9.0 to 8.5. Course I'm not sure how useful that would be as you
> can't pick the older version that you get and you have to turn off updates
> or it reverts, but for arguments sake, you CAN get an older version in the
> Play Store...  ;)

Hmmm.  Interesting.  Thanks!

-- 
croy

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#154690

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

> On 8/4/26 9:15 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>>croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
> 
>>> Now, if I could just figure out how to get a particular version of the
>>> Samsung clock app.  With the Google Play Store is seems to be, "get it, or
>>> don't get it".  And it shows that it's already installed, which it is, but
>>> I'd still like to go back to the previous version.
> 
>>The version at the Play Store will be the latest at Google's store.  For
>>now, the version at Google's Play Store is older than the version
>>offered by the Samsung Store app.
> 
>>If you already have the same version as offered at the Play Store, there
>>is no reverse option to get an older version than that.
> 
> Actually there is. I just got a new toy, A TCL Tab 10 Gen 4 Android tablet.
>  I discovered earlier that if I tried to delete the Samsung Clock app on my
>  phone in the Play Store it just removed the updates. So far it's stayed but
>  my old phone stopped getting updates long ago so YMMV. Anyway I tried it on
>  my new TCL tablet which has Google Clock and it dropped it from Clock
>  version 9.0 to 8.5. Course I'm not sure how useful that would be as you
>  can't pick the older version that you get and you have to turn off updates
>  or it reverts, but for arguments sake, you CAN get an older version in the
>  Play Store...  ;)

I wouldn't say that is getting the old version from the Play Store.
What you did was remove the updates, not uninstall the app.  So, without
the updates, you reverted to the bundled version of the app.  Apparently
you got a bundled version of the app that cannot be uninstalled hence
the availability of only removing the updates.  An old version would be
one that didn't have subsequent updates.  You can't get old versions
from the Play Store.  If doable, you can remove updates from an app that
gave you the new[er] version.

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#154696

On 8/5/26 9:50 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
>AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>>VanguardLH wrote:

>>>The version at the Play Store will be the latest at Google's store.  For
>>>now, the version at Google's Play Store is older than the version
>>>offered by the Samsung Store app.
 
>>>If you already have the same version as offered at the Play Store, there
>>>is no reverse option to get an older version than that.
 
>> Actually there is. I just got a new toy, A TCL Tab 10 Gen 4 Android tablet.
>>  I discovered earlier that if I tried to delete the Samsung Clock app on my
>>  phone in the Play Store it just removed the updates. So far it's stayed but
>>  my old phone stopped getting updates long ago so YMMV. Anyway I tried it on
>>  my new TCL tablet which has Google Clock and it dropped it from Clock
>>  version 9.0 to 8.5. Course I'm not sure how useful that would be as you
>>  can't pick the older version that you get and you have to turn off updates
>>  or it reverts, but for arguments sake, you CAN get an older version in the
>>  Play Store...  ;)


>I wouldn't say that is getting the old version from the Play Store.
>What you did was remove the updates, not uninstall the app.  So, without
>the updates, you reverted to the bundled version of the app.  Apparently
>you got a bundled version of the app that cannot be uninstalled hence
>the availability of only removing the updates.  An old version would be
>one that didn't have subsequent updates.  You can't get old versions
>from the Play Store.  If doable, you can remove updates from an app that
>gave you the new[er] version.

My goodness all that technical mumbo jumbo. Look back. See the smiley? Look
 up "tongue in cheek". But then perhaps my wording was a bit poor. As was
 yours?

You said (above):
"If you already have the same version as offered at the Play Store, there
is no reverse option to get an older version than that."

I simply disagreed because I've done it USING THE PLAY STORE. So there CAN
 BE a reverse option. I'm proof. With both the Samsung and Google Clock apps
 (on-topic yea). Did I say it always worked? Nope. But you said a DEFINITE
 "no reverse option" when it obviously IS possible... ;)  ;)   ;)   ;)   ;)

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#154700

AJL wrote:
> I simply disagreed because I've done it USING THE PLAY STORE. So there CAN
>  BE a reverse option. I'm proof. With both the Samsung and Google Clock apps
>  (on-topic yea). Did I say it always worked? Nope. But you said a DEFINITE
>  "no reverse option" when it obviously IS possible... ;)  ;)   ;)   ;)   ;)

The real problem with some people is they're just incapable of learning.
For most apps, of course it's possible to revert to an older version.

Duh.

We've been discussing this already on this thread, so I wonder why people
like Vanguard say they can't (when nobody else but they would say that)?

As AJL knows, for most apps, if we can find the older version, we do this:
a. Get the older version
b. Install it over the newer version using "replace" & "downgrade" options
That keeps all the data and results in the older version.

Also as AJL knows, as do most people, there's not much stopping us from:
a. Deleting the newer version (but keeping the data)
b. Installing the older version (which will use the kept data)
That also keeps all the data and results in the older version.

The next step, of course, is to deprecate that older app from updating.
As I've noted, generally that's trivial to accomplish.

But as Frank noted, some apps are harder than others to prevent updating.
I agree. So far I've been successful. But I control Android more than most.
-- 
The real problem with some people is they're just incapable of learning.

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#154703

On 8/5/26 12:49 PM, Maria Sophia wrote:

>As AJL knows, for most apps, if we can find the older version, we do this:
>a. Get the older version...

I might add that another place I get my older version Android apps is the
 Amazon Appstore. They are older versions because they are for use in their
 Amazon Fire OS tablets, the Fire OS being an older version of Android. 

When I first installed the Google Play Store on this Amazon Fire tablet I'm
 posting with I got a chuckle out of the Amazon-Google wars. I would install
 an app from the Amazon Appstore and then Google would immediately update it
 making it work poorly (or not at all). So I turned off updating in both
 stores and now just play it by ear... :-/

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#154718

On 2026-08-05 18:50, VanguardLH wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 8/4/26 9:15 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>>> croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:


>> Actually there is. I just got a new toy, A TCL Tab 10 Gen 4 Android tablet.
>>   I discovered earlier that if I tried to delete the Samsung Clock app on my
>>   phone in the Play Store it just removed the updates. So far it's stayed but
>>   my old phone stopped getting updates long ago so YMMV. Anyway I tried it on
>>   my new TCL tablet which has Google Clock and it dropped it from Clock
>>   version 9.0 to 8.5. Course I'm not sure how useful that would be as you
>>   can't pick the older version that you get and you have to turn off updates
>>   or it reverts, but for arguments sake, you CAN get an older version in the
>>   Play Store...  ;)
> 
> I wouldn't say that is getting the old version from the Play Store.
> What you did was remove the updates, not uninstall the app.  So, without
> the updates, you reverted to the bundled version of the app.  Apparently
> you got a bundled version of the app that cannot be uninstalled hence
> the availability of only removing the updates.  An old version would be
> one that didn't have subsequent updates.  You can't get old versions
> from the Play Store.  If doable, you can remove updates from an app that
> gave you the new[er] version.

Normally (Play Store) if an app came in the firmware (or perhaps 
bundled) you can remove the updates, then in a last step inhibit it. For 
practical purposes (except firmware size) the app is not loaded and it 
doesn't run.

I don't know about Samsung apps.

There may be apps that truly can not be uninstalled nor disabled. 
Normally they are services, not actual apps.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#154719

On 8/6/26 5:53 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

>Normally (Play Store) if an app came in the firmware (or perhaps 
>bundled) you can remove the updates, then in a last step inhibit it. For 
>practical purposes (except firmware size) the app is not loaded and it 
>doesn't run.

>There may be apps that truly can not be uninstalled nor disabled. 
>Normally they are services, not actual apps.

I just looked on my new TCL Android 15 tablet and couldn't find any.

But for me this post is mainly a test to see if I can post using my PhoNews
 newsreader on the new tablet which is Android 15. First impressions are not
 good as I have to stop and restart the app periodically to keep it going.
 And I get double posts. Guess I better not get rid of the Fire OS tablet
 yet. Also PhoNews runs fine on my up to date Chromebook. Weird. I've been
 Windows free for many months now so no help there with my old friend TB. Ok
 here goes, wish me luck...

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#154722

Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Normally (Play Store) if an app came in the firmware (or perhaps 
> bundled) you can remove the updates, then in a last step inhibit it. For 
> practical purposes (except firmware size) the app is not loaded and it 
> doesn't run.
> 
> I don't know about Samsung apps.
> 
> There may be apps that truly can not be uninstalled nor disabled. 
> Normally they are services, not actual apps.

There are always exceptions it seems, but in my experience, almost no app
package refuses to uninstall when we use adb to do the dirty deed.

 adb shell pm disable-user --user 0 com.android.vending
 pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.android.vending


In my experience, it doesn't matter if they're oem apps or not, but, of
course, if it's a device being updated, the oem might just update it later.

As you astutely noted, uninstalling "system" and "oem" apps only make them
'seem' to disappear from the user partition, but, they are still there.

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#154777

On 8/5/26 8:58 AM, AJL wrote:

> I discovered earlier that if I tried to delete the Samsung Clock app on my
> phone in the Play Store it just removed the updates. So far it's stayed but
> my old phone stopped getting updates long ago.

I lied. My 7 year old phone IS getting updates. Today Samsung reupdated my
 Clock app that I earlier removed the updates when trying to delete it (to
 12.1.25.0). And it also told Google because the Play Store shows the app
 and says it was "Updated 35 minutes ago". Further a Samsung app called
 "Samsung Cloud for Wear OS" was also updated "35 minutes ago" according to
 the Play Store. I didn't know I had that app or even what it does. But I
 guess I should be happy to still be getting updates after 7 years
 (maybe)...  8-/

(I'm posting this with my Chromebook. I'm curious what version of the
 Android OS PhoNews thinks this is and will check the headers to find out.)

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#154778

On 8/7/26 1:17 PM, AJL wrote:

> I'm posting this with my Chromebook. I'm curious what version of the
> Android OS PhoNews thinks this is and will check the headers to find out.

Ah. Turned out to be Android 13. Guess that's why PhoNews is still working
 ok on it...

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#154779

On 2026-08-07 22:17, AJL wrote:
> On 8/5/26 8:58 AM, AJL wrote:
> 
>> I discovered earlier that if I tried to delete the Samsung Clock app 
>> on my
>> phone in the Play Store it just removed the updates. So far it's 
>> stayed but
>> my old phone stopped getting updates long ago.
> 
> I lied. My 7 year old phone IS getting updates. Today Samsung reupdated my
> Clock app that I earlier removed the updates when trying to delete it (to
> 12.1.25.0). And it also told Google because the Play Store shows the app
> and says it was "Updated 35 minutes ago". Further a Samsung app called
> "Samsung Cloud for Wear OS" was also updated "35 minutes ago" according to
> the Play Store. I didn't know I had that app or even what it does. But I
> guess I should be happy to still be getting updates after 7 years
> (maybe)...  8-/
> 
> (I'm posting this with my Chromebook. I'm curious what version of the
> Android OS PhoNews thinks this is and will check the headers to find out.)

Apps get updates for ever.

At least while the designers of each app decide they maintain it and for 
which Android versions.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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