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| Started by | Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> |
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| First post | 2016-08-12 15:40 +0000 |
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Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-12 15:40 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-12 16:29 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-12 18:18 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-14 01:23 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-12 22:36 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-14 01:23 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files AL <noemail@none.com> - 2016-08-12 10:10 -0700
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-12 18:18 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files AL <noemail@none.com> - 2016-08-12 15:52 -0700
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-14 02:16 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-14 01:23 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-14 16:28 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-14 01:23 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 06:21 -0600
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files AL <noemail@none.com> - 2016-08-14 08:47 -0700
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-14 22:45 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files AL <noemail@none.com> - 2016-08-14 20:24 -0700
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-14 22:45 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-14 18:59 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-15 02:06 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 06:43 -0600
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-16 11:52 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-08-17 05:48 -0600
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-17 17:12 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-17 13:28 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files I R A Darth Aggie <n0b0dy@invalid.invalid> - 2016-08-17 19:05 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-17 19:33 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 10:14 -0600
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-17 19:33 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 10:05 -0600
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-18 13:12 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 14:26 -0600
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-18 16:51 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 20:00 -0600
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-18 22:48 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-09 02:33 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-09 02:36 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 09:06 +0200
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2016-09-09 16:28 +0700
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 11:50 +0200
Fing (was: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files) I R A Darth Aggie <n0b0dy@invalid.invalid> - 2016-08-17 18:43 +0000
Re: Fing Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-17 19:33 +0000
Re: Fing Nigel Wade <nmw@local.domain> - 2016-08-18 09:41 +0100
Re: Fing Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-18 18:43 +0000
Re: Fing tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-18 18:44 -0400
Re: Fing Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-08-19 07:00 +0100
Re: Fing Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-19 16:22 +0000
Re: Fing Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-18 18:43 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files AL <noemail@none.com> - 2016-08-17 16:15 -0700
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-19 05:32 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files AL <noemail@none.com> - 2016-08-18 23:01 -0700
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-19 13:55 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Nigel Wade <nmw@local.domain> - 2016-08-19 15:08 +0100
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-19 16:58 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files AL <noemail@none.com> - 2016-08-19 08:11 -0700
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-19 16:58 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-19 13:11 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-20 01:21 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-19 21:37 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-20 04:24 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-20 00:26 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files AL <noemail@none.com> - 2016-08-19 14:57 -0700
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-20 01:21 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files AL <noemail@none.com> - 2016-08-20 00:05 -0700
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-19 10:37 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-19 16:58 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-19 13:11 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-20 01:21 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-19 21:37 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-20 04:45 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 10:03 -0600
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files AL <noemail@none.com> - 2016-08-18 10:03 -0700
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-18 18:39 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 20:05 -0600
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-18 22:48 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-19 19:12 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-19 15:25 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-20 14:00 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files AL <noemail@none.com> - 2016-08-20 09:45 -0700
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-20 18:42 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-11 02:35 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-11 02:44 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-15 11:46 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-16 05:59 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-16 07:12 -0400
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 05:32 -0600
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-16 06:00 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-16 11:54 +0000
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files pamela <invalid@nospam.com> - 2016-08-16 21:09 +0100
Re: Warning about ES File Explorer Cleaner blowing away APK files Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-17 17:59 +0000
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| From | crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-15 06:43 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nosdg8$dku$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33369 |
On 08/14/2016 08:06 PM, Aardvarks wrote: > On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 18:59:58 -0400, nospam wrote: > >>> I don't have a war with anyone. >> >> other than apple. > > I don't have a war with apple either. > I love my iOS iPads. > The kids love 'em too. > > The only thing is that I can't do as much on iOS as I can on Android simply > because iOS is a more primitive operating system that disallows a *lot* of > things that Android allows. > > So, I have to "just give up" on iOS. > > That's normal for iOS users to "just give up" all the time, every day, all > day. > > But I'm not used to it; that's all. > Try and get over it, as far as I'm concerned every computer, phone, or tablet available to the consumer today qualifies as total garbage in one way or another, regardless of which company is claiming it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Microsoft, Apple, Google, linux... the best of them is decades behind where they should be in one respect or another, and most of that is a result of profit-seeking competition. Just figure out how to work the damned thing then get on to something useful. <g> -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sat Mar 26: "Documentation and Portability"]
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| From | Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-16 11:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nouuql$1h0b$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #33378 |
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 06:43:12 -0600, crankypuss wrote: > Just figure out how to work the damned thing then get on to something > useful. <g> The reality is that I gave the iPads to the kids to use to play games. That's pretty much all they're good for. The one advantage they have over my Android phone is that the battery lasts far longer than does my phone on GPS, and the screen is larger, so, I put the ipad in my backpack when I hike to breadcrumb where I went. Other than the kids playing games and me using it to breadcrumb without sucking my phone's battery, they're pretty useless toys since Android does everything they can do, and more.
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| From | crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-17 05:48 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <np1jkb$2o1$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33403 |
On 08/16/2016 05:52 AM, Aardvarks wrote: > On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 06:43:12 -0600, crankypuss wrote: > >> Just figure out how to work the damned thing then get on to something >> useful. <g> > > The reality is that I gave the iPads to the kids to use to play games. Then why do you spend so much time bellyaching, are your kids just too good for iOS devices, or what? > > That's pretty much all they're good for. > > The one advantage they have over my Android phone is that the battery lasts > far longer than does my phone on GPS, and the screen is larger, so, I put > the ipad in my backpack when I hike to breadcrumb where I went. > > Other than the kids playing games and me using it to breadcrumb without > sucking my phone's battery, they're pretty useless toys since Android does > everything they can do, and more. Dude, I have picked and poked among the boneyard of free Android apps, and I do not remember a single one that didn't feel like junk compared to what I'm used to on linux, which imo isn't all that great. Granted, iOS is clumsy and inconsistent and lack of filesystem access makes it useless for many traditional computing tasks, but since you can do all those on Android there's no reason to be overly concerned, right? I find Android limiting and prefer linux for actual computing, but mileage varies. iOS is not even under consideration as a computing tool, that isn't what it was built for. It was built for joe computing-illiterate citizen, and his mom, and his kids. And maybe for a few folks like me, although I do find iOS clumsy in many respects. Originally I looked at buying a MacBook because although linux has been around for decades, due to its development environment the constant thrashing makes it effectively early-beta-level code imo, and that isn't really adequate for some things. Then I thought some more about what I wanted, and that was to get email and shopping and a few other fugly office things *off* my development boxes and onto something that could be used for the fugly-office-crap and would continue working even though I might destroy the linux kernel from time to time. And the Apple devices that I have (iPad, iPhone) do a splendid job of dealing with fugly office things like keeping my calendar current on both devices etc. Sure, I could make either of my Android boxes do all that stuff, but then I'd be dependent on a lot of linux-like thrash-ware, I'd have to pick through the Android apps and configure a bunch of stuff and have almost as much fun with that bullshit as I have configuring linux. An iOS device is like one of those calculators we used to have sitting on our desks, it does a specific job, not everything. If you want the perfect box that does everything, you gotta make your own. You can not cajole Apple into making what you want, you represent zero profit while Joe Average is where the purchasing dollars are, and Apple thinks they know what Joe wants. It will be interesting to observe how Apple deals with an increasingly computer-literate demographic, but I expect iOS to remain largely as it is (though improved), and the Mac side of their offerings to be where we'll see the innovations that motivate Experienced Joe to spend money, not on the iPad and iPhone that just do their little jobs and keep working while Experienced Joe has learned to want more. -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sat Mar 26: "Documentation and Portability"]
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| From | Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-17 17:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <np25sq$1s2o$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #33470 |
On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 05:48:30 -0600, crankypuss wrote: > Then why do you spend so much time bellyaching, are your kids just too > good for iOS devices, or what? I don't bellyache. I try to get iOS to do things. Most people on iOS just give up. I don't give up that easily. You call that bellyaching. > Dude, I have picked and poked among the boneyard of free Android apps, > and I do not remember a single one that didn't feel like junk compared > to what I'm used to on linux, which imo isn't all that great. I'm on Linux too. The *one* app on Android/iOS that is *better* than the same functionality on Linux, by far, is "Fing". Linux, amazingly, doesn't have the capability to *accurately* tell you all the devices that are connected to the router. I know that sounds impossible, but I've been through it on alt.os.linux and it's true. It's amazing. But a simple free app can tell you more accurately what's connected to your network than can a Linux box with root access. Other than that.... > Granted, iOS is clumsy and inconsistent and lack of filesystem access > makes it useless for many traditional computing tasks, but since you can > do all those on Android there's no reason to be overly concerned, right? > I find Android limiting and prefer linux for actual computing, but > mileage varies. iOS is not even under consideration as a computing > tool, that isn't what it was built for. It was built for joe > computing-illiterate citizen, and his mom, and his kids. And maybe for > a few folks like me, although I do find iOS clumsy in many respects. What I find iOS & Android useful for is mapping, tracking, backtracking. You can't really do that on a linux laptop because it's missing native GPS. > Originally I looked at buying a MacBook because although linux has been > around for decades, due to its development environment the constant > thrashing makes it effectively early-beta-level code imo, and that isn't > really adequate for some things. Then I thought some more about what I > wanted, and that was to get email and shopping and a few other fugly > office things *off* my development boxes and onto something that could > be used for the fugly-office-crap and would continue working even though > I might destroy the linux kernel from time to time. And the Apple > devices that I have (iPad, iPhone) do a splendid job of dealing with > fugly office things like keeping my calendar current on both devices etc. My main problems with macbooks, despite nospam screaming that they're not more expensive, is that they're more expensive. Sure, we can cherry pick but overall, they're more expensive for the same thing. Plus, Apple makes decisions I would never make - so I'm fine with Kubuntu or Windows XP. Both work better, IMHO, than OSX but I have very little experience with OSX (and hated every moment of it) - so take that with a grain of NaCl. > Sure, I could make either of my Android boxes do all that stuff, but > then I'd be dependent on a lot of linux-like thrash-ware, I'd have to > pick through the Android apps and configure a bunch of stuff and have > almost as much fun with that bullshit as I have configuring linux. What a mobile device is good for is not what a laptop is good for. I wouldn't do anything on a mobile device that required sheer compute power. Nor would I do anything that requires a lot of typing. But it's good for mapping. > An iOS device is like one of those calculators we used to have sitting > on our desks, it does a specific job, not everything. If you want the > perfect box that does everything, you gotta make your own. You can not > cajole Apple into making what you want, you represent zero profit while > Joe Average is where the purchasing dollars are, and Apple thinks they > know what Joe wants. I must agree. I represent zero profit not only to Apple, but also to the Android stores. And to the advertisers. And to the hardware guys (since my Android phone was bought in 2012 and is working fine except that I wore out the USB connector and a few batteries). I'm the opposite of a whale. > It will be interesting to observe how Apple deals with an increasingly > computer-literate demographic, but I expect iOS to remain largely as it > is (though improved), and the Mac side of their offerings to be where > we'll see the innovations that motivate Experienced Joe to spend money, > not on the iPad and iPhone that just do their little jobs and keep > working while Experienced Joe has learned to want more. You have to admit that the average iOS user is *nothing* like what we're used to dealing with on the Windows and Linux forums. Nothing. They're mostly like the people who post on the iOS newsgroups, of which there are only three types. The oddest thing is that you only get two types on Android newsgroups. The one unique type that is odd on the iOS newsgroups are the ones who will lie and tell a mistruth and repeat that mistruth forever, simply because you ask a question that they don't like the true answer to. So they give you the answer *they* would like to give you if they were writing the marketing literature on the subject (even though the solution they decree can't possibly work for you). And the only way you know it's dead wrong is that when you try it, it can't work. Only after you try it, you realize they knew all along that it couldn't work. So they lie. It's used to be so frustrating as to *why* they lie - but I've finally figured out why, so I am no longer frustrated by their incessant lies. Other than those iOS-only oddballs, the other two types of users on iOS are the same as the two types of users on Android.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-08-17 13:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <170820161328005254%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #33479 |
In article <np25sq$1s2o$3@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote: > > > Then why do you spend so much time bellyaching, are your kids just too > > good for iOS devices, or what? > > I don't bellyache. yes you do > I try to get iOS to do things. no you don't. > Most people on iOS just give up. no they don't. > I don't give up that easily. yes you do. and after you give up, you go off on a rant about how whatever you wanted to do is not possible (despite people explaining how) and how apple users give up (which they don't, because they're doing exactly what they just suggested). > You call that bellyaching. it is. worse, actually. ... > My main problems with macbooks, despite nospam screaming that they're not > more expensive, is that they're more expensive. Sure, we can cherry pick > but overall, they're more expensive for the same thing. nope. find a laptop with the *same* specs (as close as possible) and prices will be similar. there are cheaper laptops, but that's because the specs are lower. there are also more expensive laptops than apple, such as the microsoft surfacebook or a chromebook pixel, and the specs aren't actually that much better, if at all.
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| From | I R A Darth Aggie <n0b0dy@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-08-17 19:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnnr9das.tv8.n0b0dy@invalid.invalid> |
| In reply to | #33481 |
On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:28:00 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>, in <170820161328005254%nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > find a laptop with the *same* specs (as close as possible) and prices > will be similar. http://amzn.to/2bjee9D or if you want to search amazon directly, try this ASIN: B01CQRNBJG ASUS ZenBook Pro UX501VW 15" 4K Touchscreen Laptop (Core i7-6700HQ CPU, 16 GB DDR4, 512 GB NVMe SSD, GTX960M GPU, Thunderbolt III, Win 10 Cortana Premium) US$1,499.00 from Amazon. Looks to be roughly equivalent to a 15" Macbook Pro with Retina display, which lists at US$2,499.00 I suppose we should wait until the new batch of rumored Macbooks drop before passing final judgement... -- Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good, either. I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated.
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| From | Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-17 19:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <np2e5o$8nk$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #33487 |
On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:05:00 -0000 (UTC), I R A Darth Aggie wrote: > US$1,499.00 from Amazon. Looks to be roughly equivalent to a 15" Macbook > Pro with Retina display, which lists at US$2,499.00 > > I suppose we should wait until the new batch of rumored Macbooks drop > before passing final judgement... What nospam will do, and what he always does, is cherry pick the absolutely *worst* buy he can find, and *then* compare that worst choice ever, to the apple equipment. He does it every time. Just watch.
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| From | crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-18 10:14 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <np4n1k$msn$12@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33488 |
On 08/17/2016 01:33 PM, Aardvarks wrote: > On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:05:00 -0000 (UTC), I R A Darth Aggie wrote: > >> US$1,499.00 from Amazon. Looks to be roughly equivalent to a 15" Macbook >> Pro with Retina display, which lists at US$2,499.00 >> >> I suppose we should wait until the new batch of rumored Macbooks drop >> before passing final judgement... > > What nospam will do, and what he always does, is cherry pick the absolutely > *worst* buy he can find, and *then* compare that worst choice ever, to the > apple equipment. > > He does it every time. > Just watch. > OMG you're boring when you get into this rant-over-personality-fucktard mode. -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sat Mar 26: "Documentation and Portability"]
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| From | Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-17 19:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <np2e5p$8nk$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #33481 |
On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:28:00 -0400, nospam wrote: > find a laptop with the *same* specs (as close as possible) and prices > will be similar. I'm not in the market for a laptop, but I just bought a gift phone for a pre-teen kid whose birthday was August 15th. Guess which has the far better price performance ratio? - 16GB iPhone 6 ($550) - 16GB Samsung Galaxy S5 ($350) http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6378&idPhone2=6033 For similar specs, Apple equipment is far more expensive than similar equipment (except in your ridiculously cherry picked apples-to-oranges examples.) Hint: Read this quote from ZDNet: "Appleā¬ phones are by far the most expensive on the market. Flagship devices from other manufacturers cost hundreds of dollars less and are regularly discounted." http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-much-does-an-iphone-6-really-cost-hint-its-way-more-than-199/
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| From | crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-18 10:05 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <np4n1k$msn$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33481 |
On 08/17/2016 11:28 AM, nospam wrote: > In article <np25sq$1s2o$3@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks > <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote: > >> >>> Then why do you spend so much time bellyaching, are your kids just too >>> good for iOS devices, or what? >> >> I don't bellyache. > > yes you do > >> I try to get iOS to do things. > > no you don't. > >> Most people on iOS just give up. > > no they don't. > >> I don't give up that easily. > > yes you do. > > and after you give up, you go off on a rant about how whatever you > wanted to do is not possible (despite people explaining how) and how > apple users give up (which they don't, because they're doing exactly > what they just suggested). > >> You call that bellyaching. > > it is. worse, actually. > > ... > >> My main problems with macbooks, despite nospam screaming that they're not >> more expensive, is that they're more expensive. Sure, we can cherry pick >> but overall, they're more expensive for the same thing. > > nope. > > find a laptop with the *same* specs (as close as possible) and prices > will be similar. > > there are cheaper laptops, but that's because the specs are lower. > > there are also more expensive laptops than apple, such as the microsoft > surfacebook or a chromebook pixel, and the specs aren't actually that > much better, if at all. > This Dell XPS-13 I'm running linux on at the moment costs more than an equivalently configured MacBook Air 13" by several hundred bucks, and the Apple is probably better-made fwiw. -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sat Mar 26: "Documentation and Portability"]
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-08-18 13:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <180820161312091925%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #33514 |
In article <np4n1k$msn$11@dont-email.me>, crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> My main problems with macbooks, despite nospam screaming that they're not > >> more expensive, is that they're more expensive. Sure, we can cherry pick > >> but overall, they're more expensive for the same thing. > > > > nope. > > > > find a laptop with the *same* specs (as close as possible) and prices > > will be similar. > > > > there are cheaper laptops, but that's because the specs are lower. > > > > there are also more expensive laptops than apple, such as the microsoft > > surfacebook or a chromebook pixel, and the specs aren't actually that > > much better, if at all. > > > > This Dell XPS-13 I'm running linux on at the moment costs more than an > equivalently configured MacBook Air 13" by several hundred bucks, and > the Apple is probably better-made fwiw. exactly the point.
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| From | crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-18 14:26 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <np55s9$j6q$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33520 |
On 08/18/2016 11:12 AM, nospam wrote: > In article <np4n1k$msn$11@dont-email.me>, crankypuss > <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> >>>> My main problems with macbooks, despite nospam screaming that they're not >>>> more expensive, is that they're more expensive. Sure, we can cherry pick >>>> but overall, they're more expensive for the same thing. >>> >>> nope. >>> >>> find a laptop with the *same* specs (as close as possible) and prices >>> will be similar. >>> >>> there are cheaper laptops, but that's because the specs are lower. >>> >>> there are also more expensive laptops than apple, such as the microsoft >>> surfacebook or a chromebook pixel, and the specs aren't actually that >>> much better, if at all. >>> >> >> This Dell XPS-13 I'm running linux on at the moment costs more than an >> equivalently configured MacBook Air 13" by several hundred bucks, and >> the Apple is probably better-made fwiw. > > exactly the point. > Yes, but personally I think Apple is still backward, I looked at a MacBook yesterday and it had only a backspace key marked "delete", with no forward-delete key. Significant productivity inhibitor imo. Not a big worry, doubtless MacOS lets you assign the functions you wish to perform to specific keys... I forget the name for it, it's an X Windows function that doesn't come to mind ATM. -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sat Mar 26: "Documentation and Portability"]
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-08-18 16:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <180820161651150609%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #33525 |
In article <np55s9$j6q$6@dont-email.me>, crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> This Dell XPS-13 I'm running linux on at the moment costs more than an > >> equivalently configured MacBook Air 13" by several hundred bucks, and > >> the Apple is probably better-made fwiw. > > > > exactly the point. > > Yes, but personally I think Apple is still backward, I looked at a > MacBook yesterday and it had only a backspace key marked "delete", with > no forward-delete key. Significant productivity inhibitor imo. the correct name of the key is delete. backspace is a different character (^h) and you can thank microsoft for fucking that one up. if it bothers you, stick a label on it that says backspace. there's limited space on a laptop keyboard to have all of the extra keys that few people actually ever use. nevertheless, forward delete is available with fn-delete (which is very intuitive) or use any standard usb or bluetooth keyboard (non-apple works just fine) with whatever keys you want. if that's the biggest problem you can find with a macbook, then apple is doing just fine. > Not a big worry, doubtless MacOS lets you assign the functions you wish > to perform to specific keys... I forget the name for it, it's an X > Windows function that doesn't come to mind ATM. no need to assign anything. it's already there.
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| From | crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-18 20:00 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <np5pi0$ba3$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33526 |
On 08/18/2016 02:51 PM, nospam wrote: > In article <np55s9$j6q$6@dont-email.me>, crankypuss > <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> >>>> This Dell XPS-13 I'm running linux on at the moment costs more than an >>>> equivalently configured MacBook Air 13" by several hundred bucks, and >>>> the Apple is probably better-made fwiw. >>> >>> exactly the point. >> >> Yes, but personally I think Apple is still backward, I looked at a >> MacBook yesterday and it had only a backspace key marked "delete", with >> no forward-delete key. Significant productivity inhibitor imo. > > the correct name of the key is delete. backspace is a different > character (^h) and you can thank microsoft for fucking that one up. I understand that Apple thinks they were there first and anything that came later was wrong-if-different; it's an understandable viewpoint, if you ignore the fact that everybody wants their stuff to be better than the next guy so they make it different on purpose. And it is possible to delete text with only a backspace function, though not all iOS input fields support the magnified cursor or even let you poke the field to move the cursor from the end of the field, thus making it necessary to retype the whole whatever if you discover a typo in the first part. The spotty support shows the iOS user-interface to be poorly designed; all that stuff belongs in common system routines that are shared across the board. They'll get around to fixing that later, no drama. > > if it bothers you, stick a label on it that says backspace. Great, where does that leave the forward-delete funtion? Absent by default. People who do a lot of writing benefit greatly from having a moveable cursor and the ability to delete from the cursor in either direction. Frankly I don't care that Apple prefers to stick with what they invented in early days when the teletype keyboard was the industry standard. I can make the gizmo work. > > there's limited space on a laptop keyboard to have all of the extra > keys that few people actually ever use. > > nevertheless, forward delete is available with fn-delete (which is very > intuitive) That's good information, thank you. It's not intuitive to me what any of the "special?" keys on the bottom row do, and I haven't yet sought out that piece of documentation. Nor have I yet accustomed myself to the concept of "just trying" some of the icons that apps offer up and provide no clue about what they mean; too many years of being in a situation where "just trying" something could toast your system gives a fellow reason for caution, or maybe just bad habits. > or use any standard usb or bluetooth keyboard (non-apple > works just fine) with whatever keys you want. > > if that's the biggest problem you can find with a macbook, then apple > is doing just fine. I think Apple's doing okay, yes. Not perfect, but pretty good. > >> Not a big worry, doubtless MacOS lets you assign the functions you wish >> to perform to specific keys... I forget the name for it, it's an X >> Windows function that doesn't come to mind ATM. > > no need to assign anything. it's already there. > I'll learn about that later if/when it's time for a MacBook. -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sat Mar 26: "Documentation and Portability"]
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-08-18 22:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <180820162248326774%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #33531 |
In article <np5pi0$ba3$2@dont-email.me>, crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> This Dell XPS-13 I'm running linux on at the moment costs more than an > >>>> equivalently configured MacBook Air 13" by several hundred bucks, and > >>>> the Apple is probably better-made fwiw. > >>> > >>> exactly the point. > >> > >> Yes, but personally I think Apple is still backward, I looked at a > >> MacBook yesterday and it had only a backspace key marked "delete", with > >> no forward-delete key. Significant productivity inhibitor imo. > > > > the correct name of the key is delete. backspace is a different > > character (^h) and you can thank microsoft for fucking that one up. > > I understand that Apple thinks they were there first and anything that > came later was wrong-if-different; it's an understandable viewpoint, if > you ignore the fact that everybody wants their stuff to be better than > the next guy so they make it different on purpose. they don't think that at all. > And it is possible > to delete text with only a backspace function, though not all iOS input > fields support the magnified cursor or even let you poke the field to > move the cursor from the end of the field, thus making it necessary to > retype the whole whatever if you discover a typo in the first part. if it's a standard uitextview, it supports the magnifier unless the app developer specifically disables that (which requires more than just a checkbox in interface builder). and you were complaining that there's no backspace on a macbook keyboard, not ios keyboards or text field functionality. try to stay on topic. ios keyboards are changeable and apps designed for text editing may have forward-delete and other keys. it's entirely up to the app developer what keys are there. and as you've been told before, direct cursor control is easily done with a two-finger gesture, including extending and shrinking selections. > The > spotty support shows the iOS user-interface to be poorly designed; all > that stuff belongs in common system routines that are shared across the > board. They'll get around to fixing that later, no drama. they did all of that already from the start. it's never been spotty. > > if it bothers you, stick a label on it that says backspace. > > Great, where does that leave the forward-delete funtion? fn-delete, as i mentioned. > Absent by > default. nope. > People who do a lot of writing benefit greatly from having a > moveable cursor and the ability to delete from the cursor in either > direction. Frankly I don't care that Apple prefers to stick with what > they invented in early days when the teletype keyboard was the industry > standard. I can make the gizmo work. some might, but most people don't give a shit that there isn't yet another useless key cluttering up the keyboard. > > there's limited space on a laptop keyboard to have all of the extra > > keys that few people actually ever use. > > > > nevertheless, forward delete is available with fn-delete (which is very > > intuitive) > > That's good information, thank you. It's not intuitive to me what any > of the "special?" keys on the bottom row do, and I haven't yet sought > out that piece of documentation. delete is <-way (common scenario) and fn-delete is ->way (less common scenario). logical and obvious. > Nor have I yet accustomed myself to > the concept of "just trying" some of the icons that apps offer up and > provide no clue about what they mean; too many years of being in a > situation where "just trying" something could toast your system gives a > fellow reason for caution, or maybe just bad habits. apple is *very* good about warning the user and requiring confirmation prior to toastng anything. the default choice (i.e., what happens when you hit return when a dialog comes up) is almost always the 'safe' choice. the confirmation request can usually be overridden by using the option key. > > or use any standard usb or bluetooth keyboard (non-apple > > works just fine) with whatever keys you want. > > > > if that's the biggest problem you can find with a macbook, then apple > > is doing just fine. > > I think Apple's doing okay, yes. Not perfect, but pretty good. nothing is perfect. > >> Not a big worry, doubtless MacOS lets you assign the functions you wish > >> to perform to specific keys... I forget the name for it, it's an X > >> Windows function that doesn't come to mind ATM. > > > > no need to assign anything. it's already there. > > I'll learn about that later if/when it's time for a MacBook. ok
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| From | tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-09 02:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1shnzv87h01u5$.1fn3d8rw8nvvi$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #33533 |
On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:48:32 -0400, nospam wrote: > ... is almost always the 'safe' choice ... For what value of "almost"? And would you be pleased if your Lotus Elan brakes worked as intended only "almost always" :-) ? Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-09-09 02:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <090920160236202173%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #34044 |
In article <1shnzv87h01u5$.1fn3d8rw8nvvi$.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote: > > > ... is almost always the 'safe' choice ... > > For what value of "almost"? And would you be pleased if your Lotus Elan > brakes worked as intended only "almost always" :-) ? Cheers, -- tlvp whoosh
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-09 09:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nqtn1v$97d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #34044 |
Dne 09/09/2016 v 08:33 tlvp napsal(a): > On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:48:32 -0400, nospam wrote: > >> ... is almost always the 'safe' choice ... > > For what value of "almost"? And would you be pleased if your Lotus Elan > brakes worked as intended only "almost always" :-) ? Cheers, -- tlvp > In real life, only the death is sure. -- Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer ) Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.
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| From | John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> |
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| Date | 2016-09-09 16:28 +0700 |
| Message-ID | <2505tbph3919u9f0ttll3fcc234n673t1k@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #34046 |
On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 09:06:41 +0200, Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> wrote: >Dne 09/09/2016 v 08:33 tlvp napsal(a): >> On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:48:32 -0400, nospam wrote: >> >>> ... is almost always the 'safe' choice ... >> >> For what value of "almost"? And would you be pleased if your Lotus Elan >> brakes worked as intended only "almost always" :-) ? Cheers, -- tlvp >> > >In real life, only the death is sure. Traditionally it is "death and taxes" is it not :-) -- cheers, John B.
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-09 11:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nqu0l1$5n2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #34048 |
On 09/09/2016 11:28 AM, John B. wrote: > On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 09:06:41 +0200, Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Dne 09/09/2016 v 08:33 tlvp napsal(a): >>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:48:32 -0400, nospam wrote: >>> >>>> ... is almost always the 'safe' choice ... >>> >>> For what value of "almost"? And would you be pleased if your Lotus Elan >>> brakes worked as intended only "almost always" :-) ? Cheers, -- tlvp >>> >> In real life, only the death is sure. > > Traditionally it is "death and taxes" is it not :-) Yes, I get it. :-) In some cases, taxes are pardoned. Death is not. :-)
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