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  Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 13:51 -0700
    Re: Battery usage Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-08-02 22:05 +0100
      Re: Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 17:24 -0700
    Re: Battery usage tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-02 22:52 -0400
      Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-02 23:06 -0400
        Re: Battery usage tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-04 04:07 -0400
      Re: Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 21:38 -0700
        Re: Battery usage tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-04 04:13 -0400
          Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-04 13:02 -0400
            Re: Battery usage mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-08-04 14:14 -0700
              Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-04 17:33 -0400
                Re: Battery usage mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-08-05 01:07 -0700
            Re: Battery usage tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-05 01:38 -0400
              Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-05 01:40 -0400
              Re: Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 14:46 -0700
                Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-05 17:48 -0400
                  Re: Battery usage tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-06 04:22 -0400
                    Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-06 10:36 -0400
                    Re: Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-06 12:59 -0700
                      Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-06 16:02 -0400
          Re: Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 14:45 -0700
      Re: Battery usage Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 07:47 +0000
        Re: Battery usage tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-04 04:18 -0400
      Re: Battery usage Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2016-08-09 13:43 +0100
        Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-09 09:32 -0400
        Re: Battery usage tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-08-09 21:33 -0400
          Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-09 21:46 -0400
            Re: Battery usage AL <noemail@none.com> - 2016-08-09 21:07 -0700
          Re: Battery usage Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2016-08-11 13:30 +0100
            Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-11 09:32 -0400
              Re: Battery usage Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2016-08-12 13:14 +0100
                Re: Battery usage Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-12 17:54 +0000
                  Re: Battery usage Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2016-08-13 12:00 +0100
                    Re: Battery usage Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-13 19:01 +0000
                      Re: Battery usage Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2016-08-14 12:34 +0100
                        Re: Battery usage Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-14 15:28 +0000
                          Flying in circles (Was: Battery usage) Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2016-08-15 11:08 +0100
                            Re: Flying in circles Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-15 11:43 +0000
                      Re: Battery usage Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-14 15:31 +0000
                Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-12 13:59 -0400
                  Re: Battery usage Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2016-08-13 12:00 +0100
    Re: Battery usage Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 07:37 +0000
      Re: Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 10:27 -0700
        Re: Battery usage Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 17:51 +0000
          Re: Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 10:58 -0700
            Re: Battery usage Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 06:25 +0000
              Re: Battery usage crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 08:56 -0600
                Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-05 11:14 -0400
          Re: Battery usage nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-03 14:47 -0400
    Re: Battery usage crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 08:43 -0600
      Re: Battery usage The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 14:43 -0700

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#33037 — Battery usage

I charged it (Motorola Moto G Gen#2) fully and put it in airplane mode. 
  Shut all apps and turned off the screen.  Now 14 hours later the 
battery is down to 62% but the only usage noted is 3% "Phone idle" and 
1% "Screen".

???

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "The fact that windows is one of the most popular ways to
     operate a computer means that evolution has made a general
     fuckup and our race is doomed."                   -- Anon.

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#33038

The Real Bev wrote:

> I charged it (Motorola Moto G Gen#2) fully and put it in airplane mode.

Various android phones I've had will run for over a fortnight on a full 
charge in airplane mode ...

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#33039

On 08/02/2016 02:05 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> I charged it (Motorola Moto G Gen#2) fully and put it in airplane mode.
>
> Various android phones I've had will run for over a fortnight on a full
> charge in airplane mode ...

That's nice.  I'm hoping to find out what's draining the battery and why 
it's keeping its mouth shut.


-- 
Cheers, Bev
======================================================
Guns kill people like spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat.

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#33045

On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 13:51:58 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> I charged it (Motorola Moto G Gen#2) fully and put it in airplane mode. 
>   Shut all apps and turned off the screen.  Now 14 hours later the 
> battery is down to 62% but the only usage noted is 3% "Phone idle" and 
> 1% "Screen".
> 
> ???

No answer, sorry, but three anecdotes about two phones: a Moto Droid X2
(two tales) and a Sony Experia tipo dual (just one).

1) Moto Droid X2 in airplane mode but with wi-fi on, browsing the web --
battery BH5X manufactured 2011-01-21 -- drains from 100% to 20% in 90 min.
Repeatably.

2) Moto Droid X2 in airplane mode but with wi-fi on, browsing the web --
battery BH5X manufactured 2013-04-19 -- drains from 100% to 20% in 8 hours.
Repeatably as well.

3) Sony Experia tipo dual. In normal use, usually, after overnight charge,
ends the next day with battery about 80%-95% full. One day recently,
though, it ran to empty and shut itself down before the day was half over.
Would not restart. Would not accept a charge. ... OK ... surgery called for
... removed battery cover, removed battery, waited the scripted 45 seconds,
put battery back in, replaced battery cover, attached charger, began
charging. Waited the scripted 45 minutes, attempted to power the phone on,
saw it power on, let everything finish charging. Now all is back to normal.

Morals I draw from these anecdotes: (i) you may have a moribund battery. Or
(ii) your handset may have had a transient ischemic or psychotic attack:
cure it by removing and (after a substantial pause) replacing its battery.

HTH. YMMV (IGw/oS). Cheers, -- tlvp

PS: these cautionary anecdotes illustrate why I won't have a phone whose
battery is not *easily* accessed, removed, replaced :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#33046

In article <dgc4k6wkit1s$.18pj3jtndxdne.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> 1) Moto Droid X2 in airplane mode but with wi-fi on, browsing the web --
> battery BH5X manufactured 2011-01-21 -- drains from 100% to 20% in 90 min.
> Repeatably.

that's one battery that needs to be recycled.

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#33096

On Tue, 02 Aug 2016 23:06:12 -0400, nospam wrote:

> In article <dgc4k6wkit1s$.18pj3jtndxdne.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
> <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 1) Moto Droid X2 in airplane mode but with wi-fi on, browsing the web --
>> battery BH5X manufactured 2011-01-21 -- drains from 100% to 20% in 90 min.
>> Repeatably.
> 
> that's one battery that needs to be recycled.

Bingo! Give that man a cigar :-) ! Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#33052

On 08/02/2016 07:52 PM, tlvp wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 13:51:58 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> I charged it (Motorola Moto G Gen#2) fully and put it in airplane mode.
>>   Shut all apps and turned off the screen.  Now 14 hours later the
>> battery is down to 62% but the only usage noted is 3% "Phone idle" and
>> 1% "Screen".
>>
>> ???
>
> No answer, sorry, but three anecdotes about two phones: a Moto Droid X2
> (two tales) and a Sony Experia tipo dual (just one).
>
> 1) Moto Droid X2 in airplane mode but with wi-fi on, browsing the web --
> battery BH5X manufactured 2011-01-21 -- drains from 100% to 20% in 90 min.
> Repeatably.
>
> 2) Moto Droid X2 in airplane mode but with wi-fi on, browsing the web --
> battery BH5X manufactured 2013-04-19 -- drains from 100% to 20% in 8 hours.
> Repeatably as well.
>
> 3) Sony Experia tipo dual. In normal use, usually, after overnight charge,
> ends the next day with battery about 80%-95% full. One day recently,
> though, it ran to empty and shut itself down before the day was half over.
> Would not restart. Would not accept a charge. ... OK ... surgery called for
> ... removed battery cover, removed battery, waited the scripted 45 seconds,
> put battery back in, replaced battery cover, attached charger, began
> charging. Waited the scripted 45 minutes, attempted to power the phone on,
> saw it power on, let everything finish charging. Now all is back to normal.
>
> Morals I draw from these anecdotes: (i) you may have a moribund battery. Or
> (ii) your handset may have had a transient ischemic or psychotic attack:
> cure it by removing and (after a substantial pause) replacing its battery.

Excellent idea, but the battery is non-replaceable.  I can probably find 
youtube instructions, but it will have to be a lot worse than it is now 
before I attempt surgery :-(

> HTH. YMMV (IGw/oS). Cheers, -- tlvp
>
> PS: these cautionary anecdotes illustrate why I won't have a phone whose
> battery is not *easily* accessed, removed, replaced :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp

Tradeoffs... There are always tradeoffs :-(

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "No one's life, liberty or property is safe while
     the legislature is in session."    -- Mark Twain

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#33097

On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 21:38:02 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> On 08/02/2016 07:52 PM, tlvp wrote:
>> ...
>> PS: these cautionary anecdotes illustrate why I won't have a phone whose
>> battery is not *easily* accessed, removed, replaced :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
> 
> Tradeoffs... There are always tradeoffs :-(

You mean there's no software-specific Android way to do an electrical
disconnect and reconnect of an Android phone, analogous to pulling and
reinserting its battery? Is that true of Apple iPhones as well?

(Shameful, to the extent it's so :-{ .) Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#33110

In article <1tcpienuzohh9$.1ozhjvn5w712b.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> >> PS: these cautionary anecdotes illustrate why I won't have a phone whose
> >> battery is not *easily* accessed, removed, replaced :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
> > 
> > Tradeoffs... There are always tradeoffs :-(
> 
> You mean there's no software-specific Android way to do an electrical
> disconnect and reconnect of an Android phone, analogous to pulling and
> reinserting its battery? Is that true of Apple iPhones as well?

there are ways to hardware reset devices that have internal batteries.

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#33115

On 8/4/2016 10:02 AM, nospam wrote:
> In article <1tcpienuzohh9$.1ozhjvn5w712b.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
> <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
>
>>>> PS: these cautionary anecdotes illustrate why I won't have a phone whose
>>>> battery is not *easily* accessed, removed, replaced :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
>>>
>>> Tradeoffs... There are always tradeoffs :-(
>>
>> You mean there's no software-specific Android way to do an electrical
>> disconnect and reconnect of an Android phone, analogous to pulling and
>> reinserting its battery? Is that true of Apple iPhones as well?
>
> there are ways to hardware reset devices that have internal batteries.
>
Can you be more specific about how to reset devices that have
internal batteries and are non-responsive to all key combinations
aka dead?

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#33116

In article <no0b9o$v5s$1@dont-email.me>, mike <ham789@netzero.net>
wrote:

> >>>> PS: these cautionary anecdotes illustrate why I won't have a phone whose
> >>>> battery is not *easily* accessed, removed, replaced :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
> >>>
> >>> Tradeoffs... There are always tradeoffs :-(
> >>
> >> You mean there's no software-specific Android way to do an electrical
> >> disconnect and reconnect of an Android phone, analogous to pulling and
> >> reinserting its battery? Is that true of Apple iPhones as well?
> >
> > there are ways to hardware reset devices that have internal batteries.
> >
> Can you be more specific about how to reset devices that have
> internal batteries and are non-responsive to all key combinations
> aka dead?

it depends on the device. normally there's a hardware reset procedure.

for a galaxy s6, which has an internal battery:
<http://www.samsung.com/us/support/answer/ANS00038740/>
  To force reboot your device, press and hold the Volume
  down and Power/Lock keys on the device for 10-20 seconds. This
  performs a simulated battery disconnect.

other devices will have different methods.

note that it could be unresponsive because something on the logic board
has failed, so even a hard reset isn't going to help.

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#33123

On 8/4/2016 2:33 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <no0b9o$v5s$1@dont-email.me>, mike <ham789@netzero.net>
> wrote:
>
>>>>>> PS: these cautionary anecdotes illustrate why I won't have a phone whose
>>>>>> battery is not *easily* accessed, removed, replaced :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
>>>>>
>>>>> Tradeoffs... There are always tradeoffs :-(
>>>>
>>>> You mean there's no software-specific Android way to do an electrical
>>>> disconnect and reconnect of an Android phone, analogous to pulling and
>>>> reinserting its battery? Is that true of Apple iPhones as well?
>>>
>>> there are ways to hardware reset devices that have internal batteries.
>>>
>> Can you be more specific about how to reset devices that have
>> internal batteries and are non-responsive to all key combinations
>> aka dead?
>
> it depends on the device. normally there's a hardware reset procedure.
>
> for a galaxy s6, which has an internal battery:
> <http://www.samsung.com/us/support/answer/ANS00038740/>
>    To force reboot your device, press and hold the Volume
>    down and Power/Lock keys on the device for 10-20 seconds. This
>    performs a simulated battery disconnect.
>
> other devices will have different methods.

Yep, that's the party line, but what if it doesn't?

I had a laptop where the cmos battery had decayed to the point
that the clock chip was in an indeterminate state.  No amount of coaxing
would get anything to happen. Had to completely disassemble the thing
to charge the cmos battery. Still nothing.  Unsoldered the
battery, resoldered it and it worked fine after that.

> note that it could be unresponsive because something on the logic board
> has failed, so even a hard reset isn't going to help.
>

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#33120

On Thu, 04 Aug 2016 13:02:54 -0400, nospam wrote:

> there are ways to hardware reset devices that have internal batteries.

Care to elaborate any? Might help The Real Bev some. And me, too. Thanks.

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#33121

In article <d86n4zh1nwhp$.83kwt0hhpbfz.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> 
> > there are ways to hardware reset devices that have internal batteries.
> 
> Care to elaborate any? Might help The Real Bev some. And me, too. Thanks.

it depends on the device. see my other post for more specifics.

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#33136

On 08/04/2016 10:38 PM, tlvp wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2016 13:02:54 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> there are ways to hardware reset devices that have internal batteries.
>
> Care to elaborate any? Might help The Real Bev some. And me, too. Thanks.

Surely you don't mean "factory reset" here, do you?  That's about as 
horrid as it gets.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
==================================================
Segal's Law:  A man with one watch knows the time.
               A man with two is never sure.

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#33137

In article <no31ft$a27$3@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> >> there are ways to hardware reset devices that have internal batteries.
> >
> > Care to elaborate any? Might help The Real Bev some. And me, too. Thanks.
> 
> Surely you don't mean "factory reset" here, do you?  That's about as 
> horrid as it gets.

no

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#33147

On Fri, 05 Aug 2016 17:48:18 -0400, nospam wrote:

> In article <no31ft$a27$3@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> there are ways to hardware reset devices that have internal batteries.
>>
>> Surely you don't mean "factory reset" here, do you?  That's about as 
>> horrid as it gets.
> 
> no

Hail, you of few words.

Is that, "no, I don't mean 'factory reset'"? Or "no, that's not horrid"? Or
is it just that indeterminate sound that Poles and Germans make while
thinking of what to say (kind of like American "umm" or British "err")?

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#33152

In article <pttw0ccefj7w$.1u7tqco43eft9.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> >> >> there are ways to hardware reset devices that have internal batteries.
> >>
> >> Surely you don't mean "factory reset" here, do you?  That's about as 
> >> horrid as it gets.
> > 
> > no
> 
> Hail, you of few words.
>
> Is that, "no, I don't mean 'factory reset'"? Or "no, that's not horrid"? Or
> is it just that indeterminate sound that Poles and Germans make while
> thinking of what to say (kind of like American "umm" or British "err")?

only one question was asked, a yes/no question, so not only is it clear
as to what 'no' refers, but no further words are necessary.

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#33167

On 08/06/2016 01:22 AM, tlvp wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Aug 2016 17:48:18 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> In article <no31ft$a27$3@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> there are ways to hardware reset devices that have internal batteries.
>>>
>>> Surely you don't mean "factory reset" here, do you?  That's about as
>>> horrid as it gets.
>>
>> no
>
> Hail, you of few words.
>
> Is that, "no, I don't mean 'factory reset'"? Or "no, that's not horrid"? Or
> is it just that indeterminate sound that Poles and Germans make while
> thinking of what to say (kind of like American "umm" or British "err")?

I differentiate between 'reset' (like on your computer, it just restarts 
the phone) and 'factory reset' which, as might be expected, supposedly 
resets the phone to factory-fresh virginity.

Perhaps 5% as bad as a factory reset -- whenever an app updates it 
removes its icon from my home page(s) -- and I have 6 of them with 16 
apps each, carefully arranged in some manner that seemed reasonable at 
the time.  So now I have to guess which apps were updated and where I 
put their icons.  And then I have to do it again when they're updated 
next week.  What's the point of a home page if it doesn't stick?

-- 
Cheers,
Bev
66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666
Vampireware;  n, a project capable of sucking the lifeblood
out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it,
which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless
refuses to die.                              -- Trygve Lode

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#33169

In article <no5fim$715$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>> >> there are ways to hardware reset devices that have internal batteries.
> >>>
> >>> Surely you don't mean "factory reset" here, do you?  That's about as
> >>> horrid as it gets.
> >>
> >> no
> >
> > Hail, you of few words.
> >
> > Is that, "no, I don't mean 'factory reset'"? Or "no, that's not horrid"? Or
> > is it just that indeterminate sound that Poles and Germans make while
> > thinking of what to say (kind of like American "umm" or British "err")?
> 
> I differentiate between 'reset' (like on your computer, it just restarts 
> the phone) and 'factory reset' which, as might be expected, supposedly 
> resets the phone to factory-fresh virginity.

odd enough, so does the rest of the world. 

> Perhaps 5% as bad as a factory reset -- whenever an app updates it 
> removes its icon from my home page(s) -- and I have 6 of them with 16 
> apps each, carefully arranged in some manner that seemed reasonable at 
> the time.  So now I have to guess which apps were updated and where I 
> put their icons.  And then I have to do it again when they're updated 
> next week.  What's the point of a home page if it doesn't stick?

user error.

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