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  Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-14 23:21 +0000
    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-15 05:19 +0000
      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 01:35 -0400
        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:57 +0000
      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? ElfinArc6 <eflinarc6@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 14:18 -0500
        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:58 +0000
      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-15 19:57 +0000
        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? ElfinArc6 <eflinarc6@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 15:01 -0500
          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 03:46 +0000
            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-16 04:28 +0000
              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-16 05:11 +0000
                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 15:31 +0000
                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 00:17 +0000
                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 21:21 -0400
                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 02:39 +0000
                        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 22:49 -0400
                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 02:18 +0000
                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-18 22:30 -0400
                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 04:42 +0000
                        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 00:45 -0400
                          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 05:07 +0000
                            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 01:39 -0400
                              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 18:34 +0200
                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 13:10 -0400
                                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 19:26 +0200
                                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-19 13:34 -0400
                                    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-19 19:32 +0000
                                      Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-19 23:00 +0000
                                        Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-20 09:30 +0200
                                          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-20 17:01 +0000
                                          Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-20 18:33 +0000
                                            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-21 11:12 +0200
                                            Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2016-07-21 11:12 +0200
                                              Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-21 18:27 +0000
                                                Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-21 18:41 +0000
                                                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-21 21:43 +0000
                                                  Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-23 01:44 +0000
    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-16 12:17 -0600
    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-17 21:18 +0000
    Re: Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities? Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-25 06:49 +0000

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#31682 — Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities?

This is NOT a technical question.
This is a PSYCHOLOGOY question.

*Why do Apple Apologists lie constatnly about iOS capabilities?*

In another thread, I listed at least a dozen things I do on Android every 
day that just aren't possible on my iOS devices, and both nospam and 
Michael Eyd said they could easily do most of those things on iOS.

Yet, they supplied zero proof.
They just said "bullshit" and "Easily possible on iOS".

Fact is, they can't do *any* of those things on iOS.
That's why I listed them (in response to a question from someone of what 
you can do on Android that you can't do on iOS).

Of course, even they *know* these things can't be done on iOS; so the 
question is the PSYCHOLOGY question of *why* do they lie so much?

This is not a technical question.
It's a question about Apple Apologists' PSYCHOLOGY?

What is it about their mind set that allows them to lie so blatantly?

Are they (like used car salesmen perhaps?) so used to telling lies left and 
right where nobody challenges them ever?

Can they possibly be so stupid as to not know the least bit about the iOS 
operating environment?

They can't actually be *that* stupid - and the fact that they can't 
possibly show a shred of proof of what they say, proves that they know teh 
answer.

So why do they lie in almost every post?
What is it about their PSYCHOLOGY that makes them do that?

REFERENCE:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:04:43 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:
Subject: Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:04:43 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <nm76ha$1u9e$1@gioia.aioe.org>

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#31737

Why does Aardvarks troll?

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#31744

On 2016-07-15 05:19:22 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said:

> Why does Aardvarks troll?

Maybe he just wants to save us from cluttering up our desktops with 
rarely used icons - you know... one of those things you can only avoid 
if you have an Android device.
-- 
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May I humbly suggest a campaign mascot?
http://snotnews.reddragontv.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/1522023_690817180949038_1062062659_n.jpg 

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#31845

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 01:35:48 -0400, FPP wrote:

> Maybe he just wants to save us from cluttering up our desktops with 
> rarely used icons - you know... one of those things you can only avoid 
> if you have an Android device.

I don't consider you one of the Apple Apologists.
You don't seem to lie to protect the image of the product you chose.

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#31828

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> Wrote in message:
> Why does Aardvarks troll?
> 
> -- 
> E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
> I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.
> 
> JR
> 

He does a pretty good job of it.
-- 
Elfin

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#31846

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:18:24 -0500 (CDT), ElfinArc6 wrote:

> He does a pretty good job of it.

I accidentally sent the post twice 'cuz of a hiccup, and I tried to
"CANCEL" this, but it still went through.

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#31844

On 15 Jul 2016 05:19:22 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Why does Aardvarks troll?

What I'm trying to understand is WHY you Apple Apologists lie to protect
your Apple image.

Why don't the Android Enthusiasts lie?
We don't lie because we don't care to protect the Android image.

Android sucks for lots of things.
Apple sucks for lots of things.
Android is great for lots of things.
Apple is great for some things.

I think the difference here, is that the Apple Apologists bought Apple
equipment not for price:performance reasons - but for IMAGE reasons.

So, you lie to protect the image of the product image you bought into.

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#31847

Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> Wrote in message:
> On 15 Jul 2016 05:19:22 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> Why does Aardvarks troll?
> 
> What I'm trying to understand is WHY you Apple Apologists lie to protect
> your Apple image.
> 
> Why don't the Android Enthusiasts lie?
> We don't lie because we don't care to protect the Android image.
> 
> Android sucks for lots of things.
> Apple sucks for lots of things.
> Android is great for lots of things.
> Apple is great for some things.
> 
> I think the difference here, is that the Apple Apologists bought Apple
> equipment not for price:performance reasons - but for IMAGE reasons.
> 
> So, you lie to protect the image of the product image you bought into.
> 

You've been lying since day one.  I suppose I should commend you
 for your excellent trollish skills.

-- 
Elfin

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#31872

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:01:10 -0500 (CDT), ElfinArc6 wrote:

> You've been lying since day one.  I suppose I should commend you
>  for your excellent trollish skills.

:)

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#31879

Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:01:10 -0500 (CDT), ElfinArc6 wrote:
> 
>> You've been lying since day one.  I suppose I should commend you
>> for your excellent trollish skills.
> 
> :)

He's actually proud of what he does. It's a sickness.

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#31886

On 16 Jul 2016 04:28:59 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> He's actually proud of what he does. It's a sickness.

You are correct that I'm happy that I finally started to realize why the
Apple Apologist is so irate when iOS is compared to Android in terms of
performance and price.

A. The Apple Apologists bought on *image* (not price:performance)
B. The Apple Apologist finds safety being a herd animal (walled garden)

The Apple Apologist seems to abhor non-supported non-trendy platforms such
as Linux & Android, simply because:

a. They're not trendy
b. They're not part of their herd

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#31906

Aardvarks wrote:

>On 16 Jul 2016 04:28:59 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> He's actually proud of what he does. It's a sickness.
>
>You are correct that I'm happy that I finally started to realize why
>the Apple Apologist is so irate when iOS is compared to Android in
>terms of performance and price.
>
>A. The Apple Apologists bought on image (not price:performance)
>B. The Apple Apologist finds safety being a herd animal (walled
>garden)
>
>The Apple Apologist seems to abhor non-supported non-trendy platforms
>such as Linux & Android, simply because:
>
>a. They're not trendy
>b. They're not part of their herd


My iPhone6 is a company phone.  I started out with Blackberrys but
found them quite cumbersome with terrible microphones.  Even worse was
they had hardly any apps.

When it was time for me to upgrade the only options available were
another Blackberry or an iPhone4.  I really wanted an Android device
but they were not available due to their pedestrian security features.
Eventually I got used to the iPhone and became proficient at it.

I have compared my iPhone to my wife's Samsung Galaxy S5 and am pleased
that I don't have her operating system.  I fiind it clunky and
difficult to do things, but that may be because I'm used to using iOS
now.  I would like the ability to customize my OS, but jailbreaking is
not an option since it's a company phone.  We both agree pictures and
videos taken on my phone are superior to her phone despite what the
specs are.  The microphone on her phone isn't very good quality either.

Today my company offers Galaxy phones, but I will probably stay with
the iPhone when it's time for a refresh.

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#32148

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 15:31:46 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

> I have compared my iPhone to my wife's Samsung Galaxy S5 and am pleased
> that I don't have her operating system.  I fiind it clunky and
> difficult to do things, but that may be because I'm used to using iOS
> now.  I would like the ability to customize my OS, but jailbreaking is
> not an option since it's a company phone.  We both agree pictures and
> videos taken on my phone are superior to her phone despite what the
> specs are.  The microphone on her phone isn't very good quality either.
> 
> Today my company offers Galaxy phones, but I will probably stay with
> the iPhone when it's time for a refresh.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with an iPhone.
You just won't be able to do as many things with it as you can with 
Android.

On the other hand, it has greater cachet, and it is "safer" as Apple is the 
herd leader who decides what you can and cannot do.

It all depends on what you want to do.
For example, I have both iOS and Android and this is the organization of my 
Android single desktop.
http://i.cubeupload.com/ULjzhc.gif

My iOS single desktop is also well organized - but it's far harder to do, 
and most of what you see there on my Android phone is impossible to do on 
iOS.

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#32154

In article <nmjriq$1gbi$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> There's absolutely nothing wrong with an iPhone.

then why do you endlessly rant about them?

> You just won't be able to do as many things with it as you can with 
> Android.

other than the things *you* said iphones can do that android can't,
such as locking screen orientation, control over permissions, full
encryption, privacy benefits and ease of updating firmware?

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#32164

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:21:16 -0400, nospam wrote:

> other than the things *you* said iphones can do that android can't,
> such as locking screen orientation, control over permissions, full
> encryption, privacy benefits and ease of updating firmware?

You bring up good points, and since I'm never afraid of the truth, and
since I'm extremely well balanced, I'm actually glad to see if there is
anything that can be done on iOS that can't already be done on Android.

I never said there are aren't things that the iPhone can do that Android
can't do, simply because I haven't tried everything yet.

With respect to the items you kindly brought up:
- Locking the screen (true)
- Control over permissions (false)
- Full encryption (depends on what you mean)
- Privacy benefits (true)
- Ease of updating firmware (true, but false for apps, but it depends)
-----------------------
More Detail
-----------------------
- Locking the screen on the iPad is a hardware button
  (and I love that feature).
   I have it with VLC in software on Android - but not in hardware.
   I don't have it with the Youtube app on Android - and I miss it.

- Control over permissions
   I have control over permissions after the fact on Android.
   Here, for example, are my S-Voice permissions:
   http://i.cubeupload.com/1mkCkS.gif
   Plus I get a list of all apps that ask for permissions.
   And when they last asked for them.
   So, I feel the Android after-the-fact control is *better* than the iOS
before-the-fact control, but, feature for feature, both my Android device
and my iPad can control the permissions, so it's a wash to me.

- Full encryption
  I'm not so sure that Android doesn't have full encryption.
  Personally, I haven't tried it out so I'm not sure.
  But there certainly are settings in "my" Android version (4.3).
  For example, see this screenshot of my Settings:
  http://i.cubeupload.com/IarfTA.gif

  It came from Android 4.3 -> Settings > More > Security > 
  a. Encrypt Device
  b. Encrypt External SD Card
  c. Set up SIM card lock

  PS: I bluetoothed that file (tap-tap-done). :)

- Privacy benefits 
  I think this is a biggie for most people which is why those who don't
want to think all that much about privacy tend toward iOS over Android (and
that's a good thing for them).
  Me? I turned off everything possible in Android to protect privacy, but
I'm sure there's more to do (for both iOS and Android). 
 But, out of the box, in factory condition, certainly I'd agree that the
iOS devices are "more private" than the Android devices.

- Ease of updating firmware 
  This is a *very* complex bullet item.
  On the one hand, iOS updates more devices for a longer period than any
one Android version.
  However, on Android, it's trival to backport the old version if you have
a problem, whereas on iOS it's basically impossible. That's bad.
  Also, on Android, you don't see them say they don't support things
outside of teh walled garden, so the *risk* of updating on iOS is far
greater for those outside the walled garden (trust me - I've been burned
with iOS moves as trivial as from 7.0.0 to 7.0.1).
  Even more importantly, on Android, it's trivial to re-install old apps
whereas on iOS, it's much hard to offline archive and reinstall old apps.
  Here is a screenshot of my automatic archival program for example:
  http://i.cubeupload.com/NxixAc.gif

SUMMARY:
- Locking the screen (iOS is better than the Android devices)
- Control over permissions (this is essentially a wash between the two)
- Full encryption (I think "my" phone has full encryption)
- Privacy benefits (iOS is better than Android - but you can make Android
private at far greater effort)
- Ease of updating firmware (given the complexities, this is a wash)

But I do thank you for bringing up these issues, as it would be nice to
have a list of a dozen or two dozen things that can be done with iOS that
can't be done with Android.

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#32166

In article <nmk3sa$1p5d$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> > other than the things *you* said iphones can do that android can't,
> > such as locking screen orientation, control over permissions, full
> > encryption, privacy benefits and ease of updating firmware?
> 
> You bring up good points, and since I'm never afraid of the truth, and
> since I'm extremely well balanced,

and delusional.

> I'm actually glad to see if there is
> anything that can be done on iOS that can't already be done on Android.

no you're not. 

you're going to continue to yap that android does more than ios even
though *you* came up with things android can't do that ios can.

> I never said there are aren't things that the iPhone can do that Android
> can't do, simply because I haven't tried everything yet.

yes you have and more than once.

you're lying once again

here's one of many examples:
In article <nmjriq$1gbi$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:
> There's absolutely nothing wrong with an iPhone.
> You just won't be able to do as many things with it as you can with 
> Android.

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#32161

Aardvarks wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 15:31:46 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
>
>> I have compared my iPhone to my wife's Samsung Galaxy S5 and am
>>pleased  that I don't have her operating system.  I fiind it clunky
>>and  difficult to do things, but that may be because I'm used to
>>using iOS  now.  I would like the ability to customize my OS, but
>>jailbreaking is  not an option since it's a company phone.  We both
>>agree pictures and  videos taken on my phone are superior to her
>>phone despite what the  specs are.  The microphone on her phone
>>isn't very good quality either.   
>> Today my company offers Galaxy phones, but I will probably stay
>>with  the iPhone when it's time for a refresh.
>
>There's absolutely nothing wrong with an iPhone.
>You just won't be able to do as many things with it as you can with 
>Android.
>
>On the other hand, it has greater cachet, and it is "safer" as Apple
>is the herd leader who decides what you can and cannot do.
>
>It all depends on what you want to do.
>For example, I have both iOS and Android and this is the organization
>of my Android single desktop.
>http://i.cubeupload.com/ULjzhc.gif
>
>My iOS single desktop is also well organized - but it's far harder to
>do, and most of what you see there on my Android phone is impossible
>to do on iOS.

It looks to me like you have created groups.  I can do that with iOS
too.

Let me just say I am not an Apple enthusiast.  I have had Windows
computers forever and refuse to have a Mac.  In my work area there are
many Mac users and we have bantering about Windows vs. Mac all the time
-- much like Ford vs. Chevy people.  My main contention regarding
Windows vs. Mac is that Macs are good for email, surfing, graphics, and
Starbucks.  Windows is good for people who actually have to work for a
living and require specialized COTS software.  Of course that's just a
generalization, but the point is there are far more software
applications available for Windows than there is for Mac or Unix.

Android vs. iOS is essentially a tie when comparing apps.  The only
thing Android does better is allow customization.  iOS could do this
too, but they made a decision to restrict system level access and it
has served them well in the corporate world.  They essentially killed
the popular Blackberry and took over that market.  I think the control
over app permissions and handling of notifications are superior too.
Android has made strides in those areas but not enough in my opinion.

Then of course there is the issue of OS and hardware integration.
Apple phones never meet the same specs as Android devices, yet they
consistently post superior or identical technical scores by independent
labs.  An iPhone just "feels" snappier compared to my wife's Samsung
Galaxy S5 which is considered the flagship of Android devices.

Frankly these are all minor differences and it really comes down to a
matter of taste.  One man prefers the luxury, smoothness, refinement,
quiet of a Lexus while another man prefers the agility, handling,
responsiveness, style of a BMW.  They are both excellent vehicles but
they do different things better because the designers wanted to
emphasize different aspects.

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#32163

In article <xn0k8no6b2vv4jj002@reader.albasani.net>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Let me just say I am not an Apple enthusiast.  I have had Windows
> computers forever and refuse to have a Mac.  In my work area there are
> many Mac users and we have bantering about Windows vs. Mac all the time
> -- much like Ford vs. Chevy people.  My main contention regarding
> Windows vs. Mac is that Macs are good for email, surfing, graphics, and
> Starbucks. Windows is good for people who actually have to work for a
> living and require specialized COTS software.  Of course that's just a

complete nonsense.

in fact, it's the other way around, since users are typically more
productive on macs than on windows for similar tasks.

> Of course that's just a
> generalization, but the point is there are far more software
> applications available for Windows than there is for Mac or Unix.

quality versus quantity, but a mac is the only computer that can run
all of them natively, making a mac have the most options available.

> Android vs. iOS is essentially a tie when comparing apps.  The only
> thing Android does better is allow customization.  iOS could do this
> too, but they made a decision to restrict system level access and it
> has served them well in the corporate world.  They essentially killed
> the popular Blackberry and took over that market.  I think the control
> over app permissions and handling of notifications are superior too.
> Android has made strides in those areas but not enough in my opinion.
> 
> Then of course there is the issue of OS and hardware integration.
> Apple phones never meet the same specs as Android devices,

not only do they meet, but they consistently exceed them. 

ios devices were first with a retina display, bluetooth le, 64 bit
processor, a fingerprint sensor that doesn't suck, a wide gamut display
and much more.

> yet they
> consistently post superior or identical technical scores by independent
> labs.  An iPhone just "feels" snappier compared to my wife's Samsung
> Galaxy S5 which is considered the flagship of Android devices.

apple spends a *lot* of time tuning the performance.

> Frankly these are all minor differences and it really comes down to a
> matter of taste.  One man prefers the luxury, smoothness, refinement,
> quiet of a Lexus while another man prefers the agility, handling,
> responsiveness, style of a BMW.  They are both excellent vehicles but
> they do different things better because the designers wanted to
> emphasize different aspects.

pretty much.

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#32183

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:18:14 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

> It looks to me like you have created groups.  I can do that with iOS
> too.

This isn't a technical thread, but to flesh out your comments, both Android
& iOS can do dumb "folders". However, Android can do three levels (sort of,
depending on the app) while iOS can only do two levels of hierarchy.

In addition, Android can hide apps in a fantastically functional hidden
location (called an App Drawer app), while iOS users can only hide apps in
another essentially dumb barely-functional folder.

There are tons of features that this allows, e.g., Android users can *show
the actual package name* of app icons, whereas iOS can't possibly to that. 

> Let me just say I am not an Apple enthusiast. 

I love both platforms.
They're just very different.
And, the *people* who buy the products are polar opposites in personality.

> I have had Windows computers forever and refuse to have a Mac. 

I've used Windows, Mac, and Linux myself.
Three times I've used Apple computers, from the early days in the 80s, to
the mid nineties, to about a year ago.

> In my work area there are
> many Mac users and we have bantering about Windows vs. Mac all the time
> -- much like Ford vs. Chevy people.  My main contention regarding
> Windows vs. Mac is that Macs are good for email, surfing, graphics, and
> Starbucks.  Windows is good for people who actually have to work for a
> living and require specialized COTS software.  Of course that's just a
> generalization, but the point is there are far more software
> applications available for Windows than there is for Mac or Unix.

All the desktop computers do essentially the same things.
 
> Android vs. iOS is essentially a tie when comparing apps. 

Not really. But close enough to not bother to quibble.

> The only thing Android does better is allow customization. 

Android not only allows users to define the look and feel, but the
*utilities* on Android far outweigh those on iOS.

> iOS could do this
> too, but they made a decision to restrict system level access and it
> has served them well in the corporate world.  They essentially killed
> the popular Blackberry and took over that market.  I think the control
> over app permissions and handling of notifications are superior too.
> Android has made strides in those areas but not enough in my opinion.

Apple has the educational world in their grasp.
I don't know about the corporate world.
It seems pretty 50:50 to me.

> of course there is the issue of OS and hardware integration.
> Apple phones never meet the same specs as Android devices, yet they
> consistently post superior or identical technical scores by independent
> labs.  An iPhone just "feels" snappier compared to my wife's Samsung
> Galaxy S5 which is considered the flagship of Android devices.

All the iPhones are high-end devices.

> Frankly these are all minor differences and it really comes down to a
> matter of taste.  One man prefers the luxury, smoothness, refinement,
> quiet of a Lexus while another man prefers the agility, handling,
> responsiveness, style of a BMW.  They are both excellent vehicles but
> they do different things better because the designers wanted to
> emphasize different aspects.

Yup. Android does more things than does iOS, but iOS does some things that
Android doesn't do too.

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In article <nmkb4j$kc$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> Yup. Android does more things than does iOS, but iOS does some things that
> Android doesn't do too.

that's a contradiction.

both clauses cannot be true.

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