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Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones

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On 7/18/2016 1:35 PM, Micky wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:45:44 -0400, PAS <abc@doremi.net> wrote:
>
>> On 7/15/2016 3:16 PM, Micky wrote:
>>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:25:53 -0400, PAS <abc@doremi.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/15/2016 10:47 AM, Daniel James wrote:
>>>>> In article <qvkhobdmm0rc10khj3r4qvknghqkr7kljk@4ax.com>, Chris in Makati
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I've read that Samsung are now locking their latest phones, both
>>>>>> regionally and to the first SIM card entered into them.
>>>>> Samsung have been locking phones to the region in which they are
>>>>> marketed for some time. This is apparently an attempt suppress "grey"
>>>>> imports -- to ensure that they can get maximum profits while still being
>>>>> able to sell phones at lower margins in less affluent parts of the
>>>>> world.
>>>>>
>>>>>> This presents a problem for anyone who wants to travel and use a local
>>>>>> SIM when they visit a different part of the world.
>>>>> Not really. The phone is initially locked to the area of sale and must
>>>>> be used with a SIM card from that area when new. Once it has been used
>>>>> in that "home" area for a short time -- five minutes of calls must be
>>>>> made -- the phone will allow a SIM card from a different area to be
>>>>> used.
>>>>>
>>>>> See:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.androidcentral.com/heres-how-region-locking-works-european-sa
>>>>> msung-galaxy-s5
>>>>>
>>>> Interesting.  Is the ability to use a locked phone in another region
>>>> after five minutes of use in the home region regulated by law?  I could
>>> It's not possible to use one with a different phone company, which
>>> might make it also impossible to use in another region.   But I think
>>> it's not a locked phone anymore once the 5 minutes are up.
>> I erroneously thought you didn't live in the USA.  This ability to use a
> You weren't replying to me the first time.

LOL.  Glad you're following this closer than I am obviously not.
>
>> locked phone in another region after five minutes of use in the home
>> area doesn't happen in the USA, that's why I thought you were living in
>> a different country.  The phones here in the USA are locked by the
>> carriers until they are paid off or, if they are subsidized, when the
>> contract expires.
> That's what I meant by "fully" paid for.
>
>> The carriers don't unlock them when the time comes
>> unless you formally request that they do. As an AT&T subscriber, your
>> phone (and mine, I use AT&T also) can be used on T-Mobile's network.
> You just mean that the phone itself will work on the network?
> You don't mean it would have done that when it was locked, do you? And
> even now, don't I still have to set up a contract with T-mobile and
> install their sim card, so that unless the phone can hold two sim
> cards I can really only deal with one carrier at a time?

Correct, it has to be unlocked.  I just meant that an AT&T phone is 
compatible with T-Mobile's network.  My BLU Pure XL has two SIM slots.  
It has me thinking:  if I were to get a T-Mobile SIM and there was both 
a strong AT&T and T-Mobile signal in a specific area I was in, which 
network would the phone use?

>>>> be wrong but I'm under the impression that locked phones in the USA
>>>> cannot be used in another region until they've been unlocked.
>>> But not by law.  For electronic/protocol reasons that keep another
>>> phone company from connecting.   Didn't they pass a US law a few years
>>> ago that required phone companies to unlock phones after they are
>>> fully paid for and no money is owed on the account?  So the goverment
>>> is promotiing unlocked phones.  It's the phone companies that wanted
>>> the opposite and that rigidly enforced it until the law was passed.
>>>
>>> I had to try 2 or 3 times berfore AT&T let me unlock my previous
>>> phone.  I dont' know what went wrong those times, but on the 3rd time
>>> I just put the IME in the webpage and they emailed me a code within a
>>> day.   I had asked at an AT&T store and he told me to go home and use
>>> the computer.

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Samsung region and SIM locking phones Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> - 2016-07-15 13:23 +0100
  Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2016-07-15 15:47 +0100
    Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-15 11:25 -0400
      Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 15:16 -0400
        Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-18 10:45 -0400
          Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 13:35 -0400
            Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-18 14:21 -0400
              Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 23:22 -0400
                Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-19 09:11 -0400
                Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 01:41 -0400
                Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-20 10:42 -0400
                Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 16:01 -0400
                Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-20 16:09 -0400
                Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 14:10 -0700
                Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-20 17:39 -0400
                Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-21 09:16 -0400
      Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2016-07-22 15:58 +0100
        Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-07-22 11:00 -0400
    Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> - 2016-07-15 17:27 +0100
      Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> - 2016-07-23 23:38 +0100
    Re: Samsung region and SIM locking phones Micky <NONONObobbyburns1111@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 15:09 -0400

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