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  motherfuckingwebsite.com RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-23 12:26 +0000
    Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-06-23 10:11 -0500
      Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-23 16:13 +0000
        Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-06-23 19:34 +0100
          Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-06-23 22:09 +0000
      Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com polygonum <rmoudndgers@vrod.co.uk> - 2014-06-23 19:49 +0100
        Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-23 19:38 +0000
        Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-06-24 03:23 -0500
          Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com polygonum <rmoudndgers@vrod.co.uk> - 2014-06-24 21:08 +0100
      Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2014-06-23 20:00 +0100
        Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com "Andy K." <andy.k466@gmail.com> - 2014-06-24 21:35 +0200
          Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2014-06-24 21:46 +0100
            Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-06-24 22:06 +0000
              Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2014-06-24 23:24 +0100
                Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-06-24 23:58 +0000
                  Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Dario Niedermann <dnied@tiscali.it> - 2014-06-25 12:03 +0200
                    Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-06-25 10:19 +0000
                      Buzzfeed Cookie Monster (was Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-25 15:16 +0000
        Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-06-25 06:17 -0500
          Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-06-25 14:38 +0300
          Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2014-06-25 21:03 +0100
    Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-06-23 17:21 -0300
    Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-23 22:22 +0200
      Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-24 08:22 +1000
        Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-27 13:44 +0200
          Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-28 09:58 +1000
      Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2014-06-23 23:03 +0000
        Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> - 2014-06-24 09:59 -0400
          Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-24 15:12 +0000
          Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-06-24 17:50 +0000
            Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> - 2014-06-24 22:52 -0400
          Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com "Andy K." <andy.k466@gmail.com> - 2014-06-24 21:37 +0200
            Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-06-24 16:08 -0500
              Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-27 13:47 +0200
          Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Adrienne Boswell <arbpen@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-25 05:37 +0000
            Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> - 2014-06-25 08:05 -0400
              Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-25 12:24 +0000
                Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> - 2014-06-25 09:27 -0400
                  Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-06-25 16:53 +0300
                  Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Adrienne Boswell <arbpen@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-25 15:36 +0000
                Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-27 13:59 +0200
          Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Ed Mullen <ejEVOMER@edmullen.net> - 2014-06-25 10:49 -0400
      Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Ed Mullen <ejEVOMER@edmullen.net> - 2014-06-23 21:03 -0400
    Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-24 16:12 +0100
      Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> - 2014-06-24 11:23 -0400
    Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-06-25 14:28 +0100
    Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Adrienne Boswell <arbpen@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-25 15:42 +0000
      Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-25 12:06 -0400
        Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Adrienne Boswell <arbpen@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-26 23:44 +0000
          Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-26 20:01 -0700
          Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-06-27 12:07 -0400
            Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Adrienne Boswell <arbpen@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-27 23:07 +0000
              Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Ed Mullen <ejEVOMER@edmullen.net> - 2014-06-28 19:14 -0400
                Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Adrienne Boswell <arbpen@yahoo.com> - 2014-07-01 20:43 +0000
                  Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-07-15 14:45 +0100
            Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-06-28 20:44 +0000
      Re: motherfuckingwebsite.com RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-26 07:14 +0000

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#3870

In message <6348#31208@usenet.squte.com>, tdk <forum.tdk@squte.com> 
writes
>>Many of the sites I visit want to set cookies, but if they are "read 
>>only" sites why does it need them ?

A "read only" site is one that I only read, no log ins, no comments, no 
buying anything.  In many cases, I might only visit the site once in a 
blue moon (and in many cases less often than that.

>HTTP is completely stateless.
>
>A server may get 1000s of requests for pages a second, and because of 
>proxies  and firewalls different people may use the same IP address. So 
>if you view  page A then a second later page B, the server has no idea 
>these are from the  same person. So cookies are used to remember any 
>setting.
>e.g. if you go to this page: 
>http://squte.com/usenet/motherfuckingwebsite.com  , you'll see a check 
>box at the bottom: 'Plain text' that toggles whether to  see quotes 
>plain or colour-coded according to poster. Checking this sets a  cookie 
>'cbOrig', then, when you go to another page, the checkbox is already 
>checked for you.
>
>Without the cookie, you would have to check it again on every page.
>So to answer your question, if they are genuinely completely static 
>sites, they don't need to set cookies, but sites like that are rare 
>nowadays.
>

I can't remember the last site that I went to where I'd do anything like 
that. A site that asks to set a cookie before it even loads says to me a 
site that wants to stalk me.  If they can't give me an explanation (in 
plain English) as to why it is needed, then I'll decline it.  If it is a 
site that I log into, then that is a different proposition.  Sites that 
offer no options, but want to set cookies to "enhance my experience" are 
assumed to be in the stalking category.



Adrian
-- 
To Reply :
replace "bulleid" with "adrian" - all mail to bulleid is rejected
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#3802

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes:

> http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/

I addressed that topic, oh, lemmesee here... 14 years ago so it's a
bit dated; doesn't even mention FB, U-tube and other current
webchrome.  And there are fewer rude words.  But y'all might find it
entertaining:

   http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/alien/guide.html

(Yes, it's lynx-readable. :-)

For those who feel that the products of your creative talents are
being thrashed into pink slime by a turbulent sea of ephemeral
meta-data webcrap, this equally dated Notice is available:

   http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/alien/muse.html



[groups truncated to comp.misc]
-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#3803

On 2014-06-23, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> There was a discussion on Soylentnews.com about web app design with a 40
> + year life expectancy.  That discussion wasn't overly interesting, but
> someone linked to this website, which I find pretty funny and well-done:
>
> http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/

Except he spoils it a bit by using JavaSCript to call Google Analytics. I
have no idea how large that code is, but...

> As the guy who posted something about gopher on this newsgroup, I'm all
> for simple websites and content before flash.  Whoever did
> motherfuckingwebsite.com seems to be in perfect agreement.  Point of
> that site and the discussion at Soy is: you'd better focus on the least
> common denominator and allow intermediary systems to be replaced or
> modified as the system ages.

My current grouse is the increasing number of websites who are loading
ajax.googleapis.com.  It strikes me as not just a single point of failure
(my internet connection comes and goes at the best of times) but a prime
target for a MITM attack via DNS poisoning/kidnapping.

-- 
You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.

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#3806

In article <dtem7b-hgu2.ln1@news.chingola.ch>,
 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:

> On 2014-06-23, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> > ... I find pretty funny and well-done:
> >
> > http://motherf...
> 
> Except he spoils it a bit by using JavaSCript to call Google Analytics. I
> have no idea how large that code is, but...
>

Take him on Paul, he called you out even before you objected. See his: 

" <!-- yes, I know...wanna fight about it? -->
    <script>
      
(function(i,s,o,g,r,a,m){i['GoogleAnalyticsObject']=r;i[r]=i[r]||functi
on(){
...

"

-- 
dorayme

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#3903

On 2014-06-23, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> In article <dtem7b-hgu2.ln1@news.chingola.ch>,
>  Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-06-23, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>> > ... I find pretty funny and well-done:
>> >
>> > http://motherf...
>> 
>> Except he spoils it a bit by using JavaSCript to call Google Analytics. I
>> have no idea how large that code is, but...
>>
>
> Take him on Paul, he called you out even before you objected. See his: 
>
> " <!-- yes, I know...wanna fight about it? -->
>     <script>
>       
> (function(i,s,o,g,r,a,m){i['GoogleAnalyticsObject']=r;i[r]=i[r]||functi
> on(){
> ...
>
> "

Just making sure you were awake, m'dear :-)

I did read the source and also wondered if anyone else would do :-)

-- 
You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.

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#3909

In article <p1208b-u9n1.ln1@news.chingola.ch>,
 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:

> On 2014-06-23, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > In article <dtem7b-hgu2.ln1@news.chingola.ch>,
> >  Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014-06-23, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> >> > ... I find pretty funny and well-done:
> >> >
> >> > http://motherf...
> >> 
> >> Except he spoils it a bit by using JavaSCript to call Google Analytics. I
> >> have no idea how large that code is, but...
> >>
> >
> > Take him on Paul, he called you out even before you objected. See his: 
> >
> > " <!-- yes, I know...wanna fight about it? -->
> >     <script>
> >       
> > (function(i,s,o,g,r,a,m){i['GoogleAnalyticsObject']=r;i[r]=i[r]||functi
> > on(){
> > ...
> >
> > "
> 
> Just making sure you were awake, m'dear :-)
> 
> I did read the source and also wondered if anyone else would do :-)

I am always awake, "m'dear", I don't have what you humans would call 
biology. Why do you lot sleep, btw?

-- 
dorayme

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#3807

In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, Paul Sture  <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> My current grouse is the increasing number of websites who are loading
> ajax.googleapis.com.  It strikes me as not just a single point of failure
> (my internet connection comes and goes at the best of times) but a prime
> target for a MITM attack via DNS poisoning/kidnapping.

Today, at arstechnica:

http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/syrian-electronic-army-targets-reuters-again-but-ad-network-provided-the-leak/

The final two paragraphs of the article is most pertinant here:

     "By compromising Taboola, the value of the compromise is
     significantly higher than just compromising Reuters," Jacobs wrote.
     "Taboola has 350 million unique users and has partnerships with the
     world's biggest news sites including Yahoo!, the BBC, FoxNews, the
     New York Times... Any of Taboola's clients can be compromised
     anytime now."

     Jacobs reminds us that the security of any site using third-party
     analytics or advertising networks is simply reliant on "the weakest
     of those," and he reports that Reuters employs 30-plus such
     services. For protection, Jacobs recommends that users block
     advertising and analytics websites with browser extensions (he
     recommends Disconnect) and that sysadmins both minimize third-party
     services and enable two-factor authentication as a direct
     anti-phishing measure.

Off-hand, I'd bet against a lot of companies falling to hacker
compromise before Google falls, but that still doesn't protect against
all attacks. If you wanted to reach the most machines with a single
DNS change, www.google-analytics.com would be a good target.

Elijah
------
why do so many people want google to know how much traffic they get?
 

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#3811

On 2014-06-23 7:03 PM, Eli the Bearded wrote:
> In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, Paul Sture  <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
>> My current grouse is the increasing number of websites who are loading
>> ajax.googleapis.com.  It strikes me as not just a single point of failure
>> (my internet connection comes and goes at the best of times) but a prime
>> target for a MITM attack via DNS poisoning/kidnapping.
>
> Today, at arstechnica:
>
> http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/syrian-electronic-army-targets-reuters-again-but-ad-network-provided-the-leak/
>
> The final two paragraphs of the article is most pertinant here:
>
>       "By compromising Taboola, the value of the compromise is
>       significantly higher than just compromising Reuters," Jacobs wrote.
>       "Taboola has 350 million unique users and has partnerships with the
>       world's biggest news sites including Yahoo!, the BBC, FoxNews, the
>       New York Times... Any of Taboola's clients can be compromised
>       anytime now."
>
>       Jacobs reminds us that the security of any site using third-party
>       analytics or advertising networks is simply reliant on "the weakest
>       of those," and he reports that Reuters employs 30-plus such
>       services. For protection, Jacobs recommends that users block
>       advertising and analytics websites with browser extensions (he
>       recommends Disconnect) and that sysadmins both minimize third-party
>       services and enable two-factor authentication as a direct
>       anti-phishing measure.
>
> Off-hand, I'd bet against a lot of companies falling to hacker
> compromise before Google falls, but that still doesn't protect against
> all attacks. If you wanted to reach the most machines with a single
> DNS change, www.google-analytics.com would be a good target.
>
> Elijah
> ------
> why do so many people want google to know how much traffic they get?
>
>
I don't think anyone particularly wants Google to know how much traffic 
they get; I think site owners just want something that THEY can use to 
determine what traffic they are getting.

What tools would you suggest for people who want to know about their 
traffic that doesn't give the information to anyone but the webmaster 
for the site?

-- 
Rhino

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#3814

 
> What tools would you suggest for people who want to know about their 
> traffic that doesn't give the information to anyone but the webmaster 
> for the site?
> 
> -- 
> Rhino
> 

statcounter.com
-- 

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#3823

In comp.misc Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote:
> On 2014-06-23 7:03 PM, Eli the Bearded wrote:
> > why do so many people want google to know how much traffic they
> > get?
> >
> >
> I don't think anyone particularly wants Google to know how much
> traffic they get; I think site owners just want something that THEY
> can use to determine what traffic they are getting.

> What tools would you suggest for people who want to know about their
> traffic that doesn't give the information to anyone but the webmaster
> for the site?

http://www.webalizer.org/

But it would require they have more knowledge than "push button -
launch website".

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#3842

On 2014-06-24 1:50 PM, Rich wrote:
> In comp.misc Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-06-23 7:03 PM, Eli the Bearded wrote:
>>> why do so many people want google to know how much traffic they
>>> get?
>>>
>>>
>> I don't think anyone particularly wants Google to know how much
>> traffic they get; I think site owners just want something that THEY
>> can use to determine what traffic they are getting.
>
>> What tools would you suggest for people who want to know about their
>> traffic that doesn't give the information to anyone but the webmaster
>> for the site?
>
> http://www.webalizer.org/
>
> But it would require they have more knowledge than "push button -
> launch website".
>

Thank you for that link. I'll have a look at it and think about 
incorporating it in my projects.

-- 
Rhino

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#3828

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 09:59:07 -0400
Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote:

> What tools would you suggest for people who want to know about their 
> traffic that doesn't give the information to anyone but the webmaster 
> for the site?

I found awstats[1] very handy for that.

1. http://awstats.sourceforge.net/

-- 
A.

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#3833

>I found awstats[1] very handy for that.
Unfortunately neither webalizer or awstats give the detail that Google  
analytics does, e.g. the Bounce rate per page.

I've heard good things about piwik [1], which is detailed analytics but the  
data isn't shared with anyone else.


[1] http://piwik.org
-- 
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#3904

On 2014-06-24, tdk <forum.tdk@squte.com> wrote:
>>I found awstats[1] very handy for that.
> Unfortunately neither webalizer or awstats give the detail that Google  
> analytics does, e.g. the Bounce rate per page.

The other point that nobody else has mentioned yet is that many services
either don't give access to the web logs or make it difficult to retrieve
them.

FWIW awstats takes a bit of perseverance to set up. It's simple once you've
done it the first time, but finding your way around the instructions that
first time isn't so simple.

> I've heard good things about piwik [1], which is detailed analytics but the  
> data isn't shared with anyone else.
>
>
> [1] http://piwik.org

Noted thanks.

-- 
You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.

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#3843

Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote

> What tools would you suggest for people who want to know about their 
> traffic that doesn't give the information to anyone but the webmaster 
> for the site?
> 

Depending on what kind of server you are on, you might be able to get the 
raw logs and then parse them.

I wrote something server side that gets the person's ip address, page they 
are on, referer, accept, and UA information.  The information was written 
to a table, and I wrote other scripts that would query the table and 
present the information I wanted to see.  It didn't have all the bells and 
whistles that Google Analytics has, but it was enough for me.

-- 
Adrienne Boswell
Arbpen Designs - http://cavalcade-of-coding.info
The Good Plate - Gourmet foods on a budget - http://the-good-plate.com

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#3851

On 2014-06-25 1:37 AM, Adrienne Boswell wrote:
> Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote
>
>> What tools would you suggest for people who want to know about their
>> traffic that doesn't give the information to anyone but the webmaster
>> for the site?
>>
>
> Depending on what kind of server you are on, you might be able to get the
> raw logs and then parse them.
>
> I wrote something server side that gets the person's ip address, page they
> are on, referer, accept, and UA information.  The information was written
> to a table, and I wrote other scripts that would query the table and
> present the information I wanted to see.  It didn't have all the bells and
> whistles that Google Analytics has, but it was enough for me.
>
Good point. I _could_ write my own logging and analysis package. I have 
some decent computer skills and would like the chance to play with 
XML/XSLT again.

-- 
Rhino

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#3854

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 08:05:03 -0400
Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote:
... and would like the chance to play with XML/XSLT again.


Boy, that's something you don't hear people saying very often :)

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#3855

On 2014-06-25 8:24 AM, RS Wood wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 08:05:03 -0400
> Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote:
> ... and would like the chance to play with XML/XSLT again.
>
>
> Boy, that's something you don't hear people saying very often :)
>
Maybe I'm just strange then ;-) I "grok" XML and found it surprisingly 
easy to get nicely formatted reports from my XML via XSLT.  I remember 
using it to format some error logs that I was generating in an application.

For a while there, I thought XML and XSLT were going to be quite big but 
I hardly ever see either one mentioned any more. Have they both fallen 
by the wayside into the "rarely used" category? If so, do you have any 
idea why?

-- 
Rhino

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#3857

Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com>:

> For a while there, I thought XML and XSLT were going to be quite big
> but I hardly ever see either one mentioned any more. Have they both
> fallen by the wayside into the "rarely used" category? If so, do you
> have any idea why?

Rest assured: XML *is* big, unfortunately. The main problem with XML is
that it cannot even be parsed without a schema:

 * The schema (document type) defines the entities ("&xxx;"). A valid
   XML file may contain, say, "&aring;", but the XML parser has no idea
   what to make of it in the absense of the schema.

 * By default, white space around attribute values is insignificant.
   Thus, <tag x="y"/> and <tag x=" y "/> are equivalent—unless the
   schema says otherwise.

 * By default, newlines and white space between tags is significant.
   Thus, <a><b/></a> and <a> <b/> </a> are different—unless the schema
   says otherwise.

Other gripes include:

 * Namespaces are horrifying. Not many XML enthusiasts understand them.

 * Attributes are superfluous.

 * CDATA is superfluous.

 * Following the DOM standard, DOM parsers generally assume external
   framing. IOW, the DOM parser must be told where the XML element ends
   even though it could figure it out on its own. This external framing
   is accomplished by encapsulating documents in files or HTTP PDUs.

A lot of people have migrated to JSON. Unfortunately, there is a serpent
in the JSON paradise as well: the JSON parser must support five
different character encoding schemes (UTF-8, UTF-16LE, UTF-16BE,
UTF-32LE and UTF-32BE).


Marko

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#3862

Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote

> On 2014-06-25 8:24 AM, RS Wood wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 08:05:03 -0400
>> Rhino <no_offline_contact_please@example.com> wrote:
>> ... and would like the chance to play with XML/XSLT again.
>>
>>
>> Boy, that's something you don't hear people saying very often :)
>>
> Maybe I'm just strange then ;-) I "grok" XML and found it surprisingly
> easy to get nicely formatted reports from my XML via XSLT.  I remember
> using it to format some error logs that I was generating in an
> application. 
> 
> For a while there, I thought XML and XSLT were going to be quite big
> but I hardly ever see either one mentioned any more. Have they both
> fallen by the wayside into the "rarely used" category? If so, do you
> have any idea why?
> 

Certainly not XML, I see it used in everything from soup to nuts!  I'm 
developing something right now that reads Edgar SEC files, fun, fun, fun. 
Recently, I got a new hard drive with OS on it, and had to transfer 
settings and stuff from the old drive to the new one - I wound up looking 
at a lot of XML.

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