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  Desktop in the Cloud RS Wood  <rswood@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-02 14:16 +0000
    Re: Desktop in the Cloud Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-03-02 13:01 -0300
    Re: Desktop in the Cloud 2phar <none@example.com> - 2014-03-03 08:58 -0500
      Re: Desktop in the Cloud Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-03-03 18:02 +0100
        Re: Desktop in the Cloud Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-03-03 21:48 -0300
    Re: Desktop in the Cloud "jonh" <jon@nada-sub.co.uk> - 2014-03-03 15:13 -0600
      Re: Desktop in the Cloud polygonum <rmoudndgers@vrod.co.uk> - 2014-03-03 22:10 +0000
        Re: Desktop in the Cloud Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-05 09:18 +0000
      Re: Desktop in the Cloud Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-04 17:07 +0100

#1143 — Desktop in the Cloud

From the "My desktop is in the washroom" department:
Title: Desktop in the Cloud – It’s Here to Stay
Author:
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 15:13:00 -0500
Link: http://talkincloud.com/blog/desktop-cloud-it-s-here-stay
Podcast Download URL: http://talkincloud.com/site-files/talkincloud.com/files/uploads/2014/02/daas.jpg

It’s no wonder traditional desktop/laptop/PC sales are on the decline. With
the proliferation of mobile devices and 24X7 connectivity readily available,
more and more business is done on the go. As a result, the traditional
corporate desktop environment is shifting to a new paradigm.

* Talkin Cloud Blog[1]

read more[2]

Links:
[1]: http://talkincloud.com/blog/talkin-cloud-blog (link)
[2]: http://talkincloud.com/blog/desktop-cloud-it-s-here-stay (link)

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#1153

On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 14:16:47 +0000 (UTC), RS Wood
<rswood@therandymon.com> wrote:

>From the "My desktop is in the washroom" department:
>Title: Desktop in the Cloud – It’s Here to Stay
>Author:
>Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 15:13:00 -0500
>Link: http://talkincloud.com/blog/desktop-cloud-it-s-here-stay
>Podcast Download URL: http://talkincloud.com/site-files/talkincloud.com/files/uploads/2014/02/daas.jpg
>
>It’s no wonder traditional desktop/laptop/PC sales are on the decline. With
>the proliferation of mobile devices and 24X7 connectivity readily available,
>more and more business is done on the go. As a result, the traditional
>corporate desktop environment is shifting to a new paradigm.

	My chums business went bankrupt. Still waiting for the FBI to
release all the files he needs from Mega. Mega housed thousands of
100% legitimate businesses.
	The cloud is great, for datamining and renting cheap hard
drives out at a premium. If you MUST use a Cloud technology, make sure
it's on servers you own, and you set it up yourself. Cheaper, safer.
	And whatever you do, don't send your passwords over
compromised OS's like Android (to name one).
	[]'s
-- 
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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#1189

On 3/2/2014 9:16 AM, RS Wood wrote:
> It’s no wonder traditional desktop/laptop/PC sales are on the decline. With
> the proliferation of mobile devices and 24X7 connectivity readily available,
> more and more business is done on the go. As a result, the traditional
> corporate desktop environment is shifting to a new paradigm.

Microsoft bear a lot of responsibility for movement to 'the cloud', by 
ruining the personal computer with an insecure, DLL-hell, registry 
bloated, chaotically evolved (Win16, Win32, Win32S, OLE, COM, DCOM, 
.NET, Silverlight, HTML5, etc) platform that has made local installation 
and upgrade of software so egregious that zero-install / remote desktop 
has become the only way to go for IT. And this then gets turned into the 
'software metering', all your data is  belong to us., uber-lockin, etc.

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#1203

On Monday 03 March 2014 14:58, 2phar conveyed the following to 
comp.misc...

> On 3/2/2014 9:16 AM, RS Wood wrote:
>
>> It’s no wonder traditional desktop/laptop/PC sales are on the
>> decline. With the proliferation of mobile devices and 24X7
>> connectivity readily available, more and more business is done on the
>> go. As a result, the traditional corporate desktop environment is
>> shifting to a new paradigm.
> 
> Microsoft bear a lot of responsibility for movement to 'the cloud', by
> ruining the personal computer with an insecure, DLL-hell, registry
> bloated, chaotically evolved (Win16, Win32, Win32S, OLE, COM, DCOM,
> .NET, Silverlight, HTML5, etc) platform that has made local
> installation and upgrade of software so egregious that zero-install /
> remote desktop has become the only way to go for IT. And this then
> gets turned into the 'software metering', all your data is  belong to
> us., uber-lockin, etc.

Who wants to pay for expensive cloud services when the NSA will store 
your data for free? :p

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qrlDGhoI1Q&list=LLq4deBbEh5llV2sgCO-A-
gA&index=35>

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#1226

On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 18:02:22 +0100, Aragorn
<thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:

>Who wants to pay for expensive cloud services when the NSA will store 
>your data for free? :p
>
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qrlDGhoI1Q

	Apparently they don't let you retrieve it. Maybe they are
affiliated to Megaupload ?
	[]'s
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We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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#1221

From the 1950's to the 70's, most terminals were thin terminals connected to mainframes, 
so in one sense the current "cloud" trend is just a swing back towards that kind 
of thin-client/fat-server model (although admittedly, today's this clients are 
orders of magnitude more capable than, say, a VT100). I wouldn't be surprised if 
we see the trend swing back towards fat clients in the next 15 years or so.

Actually, I suppose that one difference between the mainframe era and the cloud 
era is that companies actually owned the mainframes that they stored all their data 
on, so there is that, but it seems that people are learning (one way or another) 
that owning your data storage is actually a really good idea.
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#1224

On 03/03/2014 21:13, jonh wrote:
>  From the 1950's to the 70's, most terminals were thin terminals
> connected to mainframes, so in one sense the current "cloud" trend is
> just a swing back towards that kind of thin-client/fat-server model
> (although admittedly, today's this clients are orders of magnitude more
> capable than, say, a VT100). I wouldn't be surprised if we see the trend
> swing back towards fat clients in the next 15 years or so.
>
> Actually, I suppose that one difference between the mainframe era and
> the cloud era is that companies actually owned the mainframes that they
> stored all their data on, so there is that, but it seems that people are
> learning (one way or another) that owning your data storage is actually
> a really good idea.

I could be wrong here, but I was under the impression that much 
mainframe kit was supplied under complex leasing arrangements rather 
than purchase. This meaning that ownership remained either with the 
manufacturer or a leasing company.

What difference does that make? Probably not much, but actual ownership 
could be important in cases of companies being wound up.

-- 
Rod

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#1255

On 2014-03-03, polygonum <rmoudndgers@vrod.co.uk> wrote:
> On 03/03/2014 21:13, jonh wrote:
>>  From the 1950's to the 70's, most terminals were thin terminals
>> connected to mainframes, so in one sense the current "cloud" trend is
>> just a swing back towards that kind of thin-client/fat-server model
>> (although admittedly, today's this clients are orders of magnitude more
>> capable than, say, a VT100). I wouldn't be surprised if we see the trend
>> swing back towards fat clients in the next 15 years or so.
>>
>> Actually, I suppose that one difference between the mainframe era and
>> the cloud era is that companies actually owned the mainframes that they
>> stored all their data on, so there is that, but it seems that people are
>> learning (one way or another) that owning your data storage is actually
>> a really good idea.
>
> I could be wrong here, but I was under the impression that much 
> mainframe kit was supplied under complex leasing arrangements rather 
> than purchase. This meaning that ownership remained either with the 
> manufacturer or a leasing company.

Correct. And the tense is "is", rather than "was". IBM *still* lease
mainframes and charge per CPU cycle.


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#1524

On 2014-03-03, jonh <jon@nada-sub.co.uk> wrote:
>
> From the 1950's to the 70's, most terminals were thin terminals
> connected to mainframes, so in one sense the current "cloud" trend is
> just a swing back towards that kind of thin-client/fat-server model
> (although admittedly, today's this clients are orders of magnitude more
> capable than, say, a VT100). I wouldn't be surprised if we see the trend
> swing back towards fat clients in the next 15 years or so.

A problem with mainframes was that the end user didn't own the data, the
central Data Processing (what we used to call IT) department did.  Getting
access to new functionality was often a frustrating process, with many
a request being subject to extended development times or simply refused.

It's important to remember that by moving to minis and then later PCs, 
end users got control of not only their data but running costs as well.

The way mainframe users were charged was memory, CPU and disk space.

Ooh look, the cloud model brings that back, except this time you get to
add network charges.

When it came to migrating away from the mainframe solution, it cost enough
money to get that data out in a timely fashion that re-entering it into a
new system was often financially viable.

The parallels are there.

> Actually, I suppose that one difference between the mainframe era and
> the cloud era is that companies actually owned the mainframes that they
> stored all their data on, so there is that, but it seems that people are
> learning (one way or another) that owning your data storage is actually
> a really good idea.

Many companies leased those mainframes, and in my experience you didn't
buy licenses for IBM software, you rented them.

They did however own the backup tapes and had the skills to read them.

-- 
Paul Sture
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