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  Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone RS Wood  <rswood@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-01 19:45 +0000
    Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-01 20:22 +0000
      Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-01 22:19 +0000
        Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-02 12:52 +0000
      Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2014-03-02 11:55 +0100
        Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-04 16:34 +0100
      Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-04 16:26 +0100
        Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-13 00:40 +0000
          Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-16 08:20 +0100
            Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-16 17:41 +0000
            Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-17 10:40 +0000
      Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-12 22:43 -0700
        Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-13 09:39 +0000
          Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-13 14:01 -0700
            Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-03-13 21:25 +0000
              Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-13 14:37 -0700
                Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-03-13 23:17 +0000
                  Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-13 23:30 +0000
                    Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-13 17:19 -0700
                      Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-14 09:01 +0000
                        Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2014-03-15 20:49 -0700
                          Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-16 17:23 +0000
                            Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-16 22:23 +0000
                            Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-17 10:39 +0000
                      Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-03-14 09:57 +0000
                        Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-14 13:42 +0000
                          Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-16 08:53 +0100
                        Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2014-03-14 11:03 -0500
                          Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-14 16:13 +0000
                            Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2014-03-14 13:18 -0500
                            Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-16 08:55 +0100
                          Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-14 13:22 -0700
                            Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-16 08:59 +0100
                              Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-16 15:07 +0100
                        Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-16 08:46 +0100
                          Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-03-16 09:17 +0000
                            Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-16 10:55 +0000
                            Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-16 12:03 +0100
                          Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-17 10:45 +0000
                            Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-17 13:55 +0000
                            Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-17 14:17 +0000
                      Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-14 11:55 +0000
                      Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-16 08:41 +0100
                        Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-16 18:03 -0700
                  Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-14 11:55 +0000
                    Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-03-14 12:16 +0000
                      Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-14 14:16 +0100
                        Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-03-14 13:24 +0000
                          Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-03-14 15:02 +0000
                      Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-14 16:55 +0000
                        Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-03-14 17:00 +0000
                      Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-16 09:03 +0100
                        Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-16 10:55 +0000
                          Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-16 18:55 +0100
                Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-14 03:28 +0000
                  Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-13 21:15 -0700
                    Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-14 13:41 +0000
            Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-14 03:26 +0000
          Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-16 08:23 +0100
        Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-13 11:27 +0000
          Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-13 14:09 -0700
        Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-13 11:55 +0000
          Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-03-13 15:39 -0600
    Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2014-03-02 19:24 +1100
      Re: Reversing the law that prohibits unlocking your cellphone Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-13 17:57 -0700

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#1650

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:01:22 +0000 in comp.misc, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote,
>I didn't say it is a physical impossibility full stop. I said it is a
>physical impossibility for *me*. Obviously it can be done - my main
>dealer has done it twice for me. It just involves removing some
>components that I'm unwilling to touch, either at the roadside or at
>home.

So, not so much a physical impossibility as an unwillingness
impossibility.

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#1685

On 2014-03-16, David Harmon <source@netcom.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:01:22 +0000 in comp.misc, Tim Streater
> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote,
>>I didn't say it is a physical impossibility full stop. I said it is a
>>physical impossibility for *me*. Obviously it can be done - my main
>>dealer has done it twice for me. It just involves removing some
>>components that I'm unwilling to touch, either at the roadside or at
>>home.
>
> So, not so much a physical impossibility as an unwillingness
> impossibility.

Some models do seem to be designed to discourage the user from any
maintenance beyond topping up windscreen washer liquid.  Replacing
headlamp bulbs on some Citroën C4 models involves at least two people
and removing the front bumper; others are merely very awkward.  My
Citroën ZX is inclined to draw blood, but once you've got the nack it
doesn't take long.  (That car is about to make its last journey).

<http://c4owners.org/plugins/faq/faq.php?0.cat.2.13> "FAQ : 13 : Change
Headlamp Bulbs in a C4 Coupe or Hatch and what bulb types are used? - C4
- DS4 Owners".

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#1693

In article <slrnlibnh5.gb4.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:

> On 2014-03-16, David Harmon <source@netcom.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:01:22 +0000 in comp.misc, Tim Streater
> > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote,
> >>I didn't say it is a physical impossibility full stop. I said it is a
> >>physical impossibility for *me*. Obviously it can be done - my main
> >>dealer has done it twice for me. It just involves removing some
> >>components that I'm unwilling to touch, either at the roadside or at
> >>home.
> >
> > So, not so much a physical impossibility as an unwillingness
> > impossibility.
> 
> Some models do seem to be designed to discourage the user from any
> maintenance beyond topping up windscreen washer liquid.  Replacing
> headlamp bulbs on some Citroën C4 models involves at least two people
> and removing the front bumper; others are merely very awkward.  My
> Citroën ZX is inclined to draw blood, but once you've got the nack it
> doesn't take long.  (That car is about to make its last journey).
> 
> <http://c4owners.org/plugins/faq/faq.php?0.cat.2.13> "FAQ : 13 : Change
> Headlamp Bulbs in a C4 Coupe or Hatch and what bulb types are used? - C4
> - DS4 Owners".

Indeed. The complexity is fucking ludicrous, and my days of lying down
under cars removing bits are long over.

-- 
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with what Bob in accounting bought last year. Trace it back - they buy
Microsoft because the IBM Selectric didn't suck much" - P Seebach, afc

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#1710

On 2014-03-16, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:
> On 2014-03-16, David Harmon <source@netcom.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:01:22 +0000 in comp.misc, Tim Streater
>> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote,
>>>I didn't say it is a physical impossibility full stop. I said it is a
>>>physical impossibility for *me*. Obviously it can be done - my main
>>>dealer has done it twice for me. It just involves removing some
>>>components that I'm unwilling to touch, either at the roadside or at
>>>home.
>>
>> So, not so much a physical impossibility as an unwillingness
>> impossibility.
>
> Some models do seem to be designed to discourage the user from any
> maintenance beyond topping up windscreen washer liquid. 

I discovered on Saturday that replacing a front sidelight bulb on my
Discovery 3 (US: LR3) involves removing the radiator grill and headlamp
cluster. It's all do-able without tools, but IME plastic clips break off
once they get old and brittle ...


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#1580

On 14/03/14 00:19, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

> I guess only the French would design a car where changing a light would
> be a physical impossibility.

They are masters of that.

1988, Renault 5, changing the sparkplugs for a friend. well, 3 of them. 
Nothing I had in my socket set could get to the 4th one at the back. How 
do they do it?

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#1597

In message <6e0bva-kui.ln1@squidward.local.dionic.net> 
  Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote:
> On 14/03/14 00:19, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

>> I guess only the French would design a car where changing a light would
>> be a physical impossibility.

> They are masters of that.

> 1988, Renault 5, changing the sparkplugs for a friend. well, 3 of them. 
> Nothing I had in my socket set could get to the 4th one at the back. How 
> do they do it?

Engine hoist.

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#1661

On 2014-03-14, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <6e0bva-kui.ln1@squidward.local.dionic.net> 
>   Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote:
>> On 14/03/14 00:19, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>
>>> I guess only the French would design a car where changing a light would
>>> be a physical impossibility.
>
>> They are masters of that.
>
>> 1988, Renault 5, changing the sparkplugs for a friend. well, 3 of them. 
>> Nothing I had in my socket set could get to the 4th one at the back. How 
>> do they do it?
>
> Engine hoist.

Front wheel drive so maybe not quite so simple.  The idea of a jack
underneath the rear of the engine has just sprung from the recesses of my
mind...

I did have a Renault 5 from that era.  When it needed a new clutch I took
it to someone who specialised in clutches and got a good price by offering
cash.  They told me they were a bit short of work at the time so were happy
with the deal.

-- 
Paul Sture

While Twitter was down I got a new job, got married and learned how to
play the bagpipes                                    -- @flamingowurst

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#1600

On 3/14/2014 4:57 AM, Tim Watts wrote:
> On 14/03/14 00:19, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
> 
>> I guess only the French would design a car where changing a light would
>> be a physical impossibility.
> 
> They are masters of that.
> 
> 1988, Renault 5, changing the sparkplugs for a friend. well, 3 of
> them. Nothing I had in my socket set could get to the 4th one at the
> back. How do they do it?

The French seem to be masters of the NIH school.

But they aren't unique for that particular issue. I've dealt with
several American Fords where the instructions included things like
"remove the left front wheel" (Aerostar van) or "remove the exhaust
manifold" (Ranger truck).

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#1601

In article <lfv992$g4g$1@dont-email.me>, Dave Garland
<dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:

> On 3/14/2014 4:57 AM, Tim Watts wrote:
> > On 14/03/14 00:19, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
> > 
> >> I guess only the French would design a car where changing a light would
> >> be a physical impossibility.
> > 
> > They are masters of that.
> > 
> > 1988, Renault 5, changing the sparkplugs for a friend. well, 3 of
> > them. Nothing I had in my socket set could get to the 4th one at the
> > back. How do they do it?
> 
> The French seem to be masters of the NIH school.
> 
> But they aren't unique for that particular issue. I've dealt with
> several American Fords where the instructions included things like
> "remove the left front wheel" (Aerostar van) or "remove the exhaust
> manifold" (Ranger truck).

What, for changing a headlamp bulb?

-- 
Tim

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nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#1608

On 3/14/2014 11:13 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <lfv992$g4g$1@dont-email.me>, Dave Garland
> <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 3/14/2014 4:57 AM, Tim Watts wrote:
>> > On 14/03/14 00:19, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>> > >> I guess only the French would design a car where changing a
>> light would
>> >> be a physical impossibility.
>> > > They are masters of that.
>> > > 1988, Renault 5, changing the sparkplugs for a friend. well, 3 of
>> > them. Nothing I had in my socket set could get to the 4th one at the
>> > back. How do they do it?
>>
>> The French seem to be masters of the NIH school.
>>
>> But they aren't unique for that particular issue. I've dealt with
>> several American Fords where the instructions included things like
>> "remove the left front wheel" (Aerostar van) or "remove the exhaust
>> manifold" (Ranger truck).
> 
> What, for changing a headlamp bulb?
> 
Nah, that was WRT the Renault plugs. I haven't seen any particularly
bad headlamp bulbs, though I bemoan the loss of sealed beam
headlights. With bulb lights, after 10 or so years the plastic lenses
start turning the same color as seen on old computers where the
original plastic was "putty" color. Then (if you actually want light)
you have to replace the entire headlamp assembly.

I saw an article once that claimed you could de-yellow old computer
plastic by (IIRC) soaking it in an oxygenating laundry compound. Dunno
if that would have worked for headlamp lenses.

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#1662

On 2014-03-14, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <lfv992$g4g$1@dont-email.me>, Dave Garland
><dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 3/14/2014 4:57 AM, Tim Watts wrote:
>> > On 14/03/14 00:19, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>> > 
>> >> I guess only the French would design a car where changing a light would
>> >> be a physical impossibility.
>> > 
>> > They are masters of that.
>> > 
>> > 1988, Renault 5, changing the sparkplugs for a friend. well, 3 of
>> > them. Nothing I had in my socket set could get to the 4th one at the
>> > back. How do they do it?
>> 
>> The French seem to be masters of the NIH school.
>> 
>> But they aren't unique for that particular issue. I've dealt with
>> several American Fords where the instructions included things like
>> "remove the left front wheel" (Aerostar van) or "remove the exhaust
>> manifold" (Ranger truck).
>
> What, for changing a headlamp bulb?

You have to remove a whole wing to replace the battery on at least
one Ferrari model.

-- 
Paul Sture

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play the bagpipes                                    -- @flamingowurst

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#1618

On 2014-03-14 16:03:30 +0000, Dave Garland said:

> On 3/14/2014 4:57 AM, Tim Watts wrote:
>> On 14/03/14 00:19, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>> 
>>> I guess only the French would design a car where changing a light would
>>> be a physical impossibility.
>> 
>> They are masters of that.
>> 
>> 1988, Renault 5, changing the sparkplugs for a friend. well, 3 of
>> them. Nothing I had in my socket set could get to the 4th one at the
>> back. How do they do it?
> 
> The French seem to be masters of the NIH school.
> 
> But they aren't unique for that particular issue. I've dealt with
> several American Fords where the instructions included things like
> "remove the left front wheel" (Aerostar van) or "remove the exhaust
> manifold" (Ranger truck).

My old Oldsmobile had a special cover over the engine that was an 
incredible pain in the ass to remove, and seemed to only serve one 
function - ensuring that you had to bring the vehicle to the dealer to 
get any work done.  Never again, GM.

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#1663

On 2014-03-14, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> My old Oldsmobile had a special cover over the engine that was an 
> incredible pain in the ass to remove, and seemed to only serve one 
> function - ensuring that you had to bring the vehicle to the dealer to 
> get any work done.  Never again, GM.

In the early 2000s one of VW's smallest cars was introduced without
an opening bonnet (US hood).  There was some sort of opening for oil,
water and washer fluid but that was it.

-- 
Paul Sture

While Twitter was down I got a new job, got married and learned how to
play the bagpipes                                    -- @flamingowurst

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#1679

Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> writes:
> In the early 2000s one of VW's smallest cars was introduced without
> an opening bonnet (US hood).  There was some sort of opening for oil,
> water and washer fluid but that was it.

That was the Audi A2, and it was a myth invented by the press and / or
competitors.  What the A2 doesn't have is a *hinged* bonnet - you just
remove the entire thing, and it doesn't even require any tools.  It also
has a service hatch that allows you to fill oil and windscreen fluid
without removing the bonnet.

DES
-- 
Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no

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#1660

On 2014-03-14, Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote:
> On 14/03/14 00:19, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>
>> I guess only the French would design a car where changing a light would
>> be a physical impossibility.
>
> They are masters of that.
>
> 1988, Renault 5, changing the sparkplugs for a friend. well, 3 of them. 
> Nothing I had in my socket set could get to the 4th one at the back. How 
> do they do it?

<cough>

The Morris Minor was designed so that you couldn't fill the brake master
cylinder because the torsion bar for the driver's side front suspension got
in the way.  Apparently both the design and manufacturing teams scoffed at
the request of the servicing folks to fix that so cutting a hole in
the floor and putting an inspection plate in became a post-manufacturing
job.

-- 
Paul Sture

While Twitter was down I got a new job, got married and learned how to
play the bagpipes                                    -- @flamingowurst

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#1665

On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 08:46:41 +0100, Paul Sture wrote:

> On 2014-03-14, Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote:
>> On 14/03/14 00:19, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>
>>> I guess only the French would design a car where changing a light
>>> would be a physical impossibility.
>>
>> They are masters of that.
>>
>> 1988, Renault 5, changing the sparkplugs for a friend. well, 3 of them.
>> Nothing I had in my socket set could get to the 4th one at the back.
>> How do they do it?
> 
> <cough>
> 
> The Morris Minor was designed so that you couldn't fill the brake master
> cylinder because the torsion bar for the driver's side front suspension
> got in the way.  Apparently both the design and manufacturing teams
> scoffed at the request of the servicing folks to fix that so cutting a
> hole in the floor and putting an inspection plate in became a
> post-manufacturing job.

I was just going to mention that one, but you beat me to it!

I had two of them...one a convertible!



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#1669

On 2014-03-16, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 08:46:41 +0100, Paul Sture wrote:
>
>> On 2014-03-14, Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote:
>>> On 14/03/14 00:19, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>>
>>>> I guess only the French would design a car where changing a light
>>>> would be a physical impossibility.
>>>
>>> They are masters of that.
>>>
>>> 1988, Renault 5, changing the sparkplugs for a friend. well, 3 of them.
>>> Nothing I had in my socket set could get to the 4th one at the back.
>>> How do they do it?
>> 
>> <cough>
>> 
>> The Morris Minor was designed so that you couldn't fill the brake master
>> cylinder because the torsion bar for the driver's side front suspension
>> got in the way.  Apparently both the design and manufacturing teams
>> scoffed at the request of the servicing folks to fix that so cutting a
>> hole in the floor and putting an inspection plate in became a
>> post-manufacturing job.
>
> I was just going to mention that one, but you beat me to it!
>
> I had two of them...one a convertible!
>
>
>

Great little car, otherwise, someone locally still drives one.
My memory was getting a little drunk at my brothers wedding, 
borrowing a ladies lipstick to write "Just Married" on his
MM's roof. Ten years later, under a different owner, it showed
up when it rained. (Kinda funny when there were several children
in the back seat!)


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#1671

On 2014-03-16, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 08:46:41 +0100, Paul Sture wrote:
>
>> On 2014-03-14, Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote:
>>> On 14/03/14 00:19, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>>
>>>> I guess only the French would design a car where changing a light
>>>> would be a physical impossibility.
>>>
>>> They are masters of that.
>>>
>>> 1988, Renault 5, changing the sparkplugs for a friend. well, 3 of them.
>>> Nothing I had in my socket set could get to the 4th one at the back.
>>> How do they do it?
>> 
>> <cough>
>> 
>> The Morris Minor was designed so that you couldn't fill the brake master
>> cylinder because the torsion bar for the driver's side front suspension
>> got in the way.  Apparently both the design and manufacturing teams
>> scoffed at the request of the servicing folks to fix that so cutting a
>> hole in the floor and putting an inspection plate in became a
>> post-manufacturing job.
>
> I was just going to mention that one, but you beat me to it!
>
> I had two of them...one a convertible!

I had three of 'em, one a Traveller (the estate version with the wooden
outer frame).

The master cylinder could be got at by using a hydraulic jack in between
the torsion bar and chassis.

Morris Minors were great fun to drive. Top Gear's Tiff Needell has a thing
about them:

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ANYcjCGzPM>
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooBJ2Z2sZvo>

FWIW a former neighbour did a stint on the shop floor at BL in the 70s.
When he enquired about staff discount for parts for his Minor he got told
to simply take what he needed; that was apparently not regarded as
stealing because "it belongs to management".  There was a bit more to the
incessant strikes then than simply "workers versus management"; the
management themselves had their own class system where production looked
down on the sales and servicing folks, and the designers looked down
on the lot of them.

-- 
Paul Sture

"In that case," said Napoleon, "let us wait twenty minutes; when the enemy
is making a false movement we must take good care not to interrupt him."

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#1712

On 2014-03-16, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> On 2014-03-14, Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote:
>> On 14/03/14 00:19, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>
>>> I guess only the French would design a car where changing a light would
>>> be a physical impossibility.
>>
>> They are masters of that.
>>
>> 1988, Renault 5, changing the sparkplugs for a friend. well, 3 of them. 
>> Nothing I had in my socket set could get to the 4th one at the back. How 
>> do they do it?
>
><cough>
>
> The Morris Minor was designed so that you couldn't fill the brake master
> cylinder because the torsion bar for the driver's side front suspension got
> in the way.  Apparently both the design and manufacturing teams scoffed at
> the request of the servicing folks to fix that so cutting a hole in
> the floor and putting an inspection plate in became a post-manufacturing
> job.

Wrong. The filler was under the carpet in the driver's footwell. What you
*couldn't* do was *replace* the master cylinder without either removing
the torsion bar or leaning on it with a large wrecking bar and hoping it
didn't slip while your fingers were in the way.

(Been There. Done that.)


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#1722

On 2014-03-17, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2014-03-16, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
>
> Wrong. The filler was under the carpet in the driver's footwell. What you
> *couldn't* do was *replace* the master cylinder without either removing
> the torsion bar or leaning on it with a large wrecking bar and hoping it
> didn't slip while your fingers were in the way.
>
> (Been There. Done that.)
>
>

 (Been There. Done that.)
New addition to that, "Have the hospital wrist thingie"

(Coming from a A&E last year, popped in to a shop
for something, the Shopkeeper asked why I had been in
hospital, which puzzled me until he pointed to the wrist
identifaction. (Maybe that is a local thing)

Should have answered "Bubonic Plague" :)
)



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