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| Started by | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| First post | 2014-09-22 01:58 +0000 |
| Last post | 2014-09-22 12:17 -0500 |
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Enclosed, but not encrypted Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-22 01:58 +0000
Re: Enclosed, but not encrypted "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-09-22 05:17 -0500
Re: Enclosed, but not encrypted RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-09-22 12:29 +0000
Re: Enclosed, but not encrypted Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-22 16:23 +0000
Re: Enclosed, but not encrypted Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2014-09-22 13:24 +0200
Re: Enclosed, but not encrypted "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-09-22 12:17 -0500
| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-09-22 01:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Enclosed, but not encrypted |
| Message-ID | <q5b4pVsNgn532I1mKQ4ETpFy@dont-email.me> |
http://www.h-online.com/security/features/Enclosed-but-not-encrypted-746199.html A new generation of inexpensive disk drive enclosures using hardware encryption and RFID keys do not fulfil the promises of their publicity. The adverts claim 128-bit AES hardware encryption, but they don't tell us how it is used. The specifications of the 2.5in. Easy Nova Data Box PRO-25UE RFID hard drive case by German vendor Drecom sound promising: hardware data encryption with 128-bit AES, access control via an RFID chip compact enough to carry around on your key ring and optional 160GB or 250GB hard disk capacity. Swiping the RFID chip along the case causes the integrated Innmax IM7206 crypto controller to reveal the drive as a USB 2.0 mass storage compatible device to the attached computer. This works under Linux and Mac OS X as well as Windows. There's no need for special drivers. Look a little closer, and things don't look so good. Heise online's sister publication c't magazine has discovered that the encryption offered by this product was weak, and erroneously advertised as including "128-bit AES hardware data encryption". c't has since spoken with the manufacturers involved and can confirm that the encryption weakness discovered probably affects numerous similar products. ...
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| From | "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> |
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| Date | 2014-09-22 05:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <6883#39615@usenet.squte.com> |
| In reply to | #5023 |
This is shocking, they advertise it as using AES 128, actually it only uses a trivial 'proprietry' Vigenere cypher. From the TFA: >The following crypto hard drive enclosures also use the IM7206 and are >therefore likely to be vulnerable to the same attacks: >STYSEN E08 RFID Security Mobile Disk >DoTop RFID SATA to USB storage >Agestar RFID Security External Enclosure SRB2A >Silverstone Treasure TS01B >Sharkoon Swift-Case Securita >DIGITTRADE RFID Security Hard Disk >These manufacturers have been alerted, but we have yet to receive replies >from them. This is exactly what Bruce Schneier described as Snake Oil [1] [1] https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-9902.html -- tdk Take back your Internet! http://squte.com/Webertarian-Manifesto View this thread at http://squte.com/usenet/enclosed-not-encrypted?src=u#comment-39615
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-09-22 12:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20140922122947.2660ca25.rsw@therandymon.com> |
| In reply to | #5025 |
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 05:17:38 -0500 "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> wrote: > This is shocking, they advertise it as using AES 128, actually it only uses a > trivial 'proprietry' Vigenere cypher. From the TFA: > This is exactly what Bruce Schneier described as Snake Oil [1] > [1] https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-9902.html > -- > tdk That is a very, very good article. Schneier is one of the rare individuals who not only understands the math but can communicate about it effectively. We need more people like that. Glad for this link - thanks!
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-09-22 16:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lvpie5$fh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #5029 |
RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 05:17:38 -0500 > "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> wrote: > > This is shocking, they advertise it as using AES 128, actually it > > only uses a trivial 'proprietry' Vigenere cypher. From the TFA: > > This is exactly what Bruce Schneier described as Snake Oil [1] > > [1] https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-9902.html > > -- > > tdk > That is a very, very good article. Schneier is one of the rare > individuals who not only understands the math but can communicate > about it effectively. We need more people like that. Glad for this > link - thanks! If you read into the article (I think it was on pg. 2) there is a small blurb indicating where it was they were "using" AES-128. To encrypt the tiny bit of data obtained from the RFID "key". So, another example of how the marketing department makes a mockery of anything slightly more technical than a wet paper towel.
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| From | Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2014-09-22 13:24 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <c8af7kFdjuuU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #5023 |
Am 22.09.2014 um 03:58 schrieb Rich: > http://www.h-online.com/security/features/Enclosed-but-not-encrypted-746199.html > > A new generation of inexpensive disk drive enclosures using hardware ... Is this news still relevant. It is dated 18 February 2008, 16:09 cu Peter
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| From | "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> |
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| Date | 2014-09-22 12:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <6883#39652@usenet.squte.com> |
| In reply to | #5026 |
Peter Mc Donough wrote: >Is this news still relevant You're right, and it got a lot of press at the time. They are still selling [1] the chip concerned though and advertising it as "Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) 128 bits de/encryption." [1] http://www.innmax.com/en/im7206.html -- tdk Take back your Internet! http://squte.com/Webertarian-Manifesto View this thread at http://squte.com/usenet/enclosed-not-encrypted?src=u#comment-39652
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