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  Why I already hate SoylentNews John Brownalt <deconfliction@filteredperception.org> - 2014-02-12 09:37 +0000
    Re: Why I already hate SoylentNews Koen Lefever <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-12 02:16 -0800
      Re: Why I already hate SoylentNews Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-12 09:40 -0500
        Re: Why I already hate SoylentNews RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-12 14:48 +0000
    Re: Why I already hate SoylentNews "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-19 01:54 +0154

#288 — Why I already hate SoylentNews

On the odd chance someone in the universe finds this sadly funny-

I already hate SoylentNews with all of my bitter little heart.  The reason
is especially ironic given that SN was born of "FuckBeta" movement.

I loathe unneeded and overbroad Terms of Service.  I suppose the only reason
I read ToS is because I'm a massochist.

"You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, **hateful**, 
threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any 
laws be it of your country, the country where “SoylentNews” is hosted or 
International Law."

I actually can't register to their forums because I just can't stand to
have to think about whether or not something I say might be "hateful".
Much of what I like to write about is that which I hate.  I write hateful
things on internet forums because I think if I didn't, I'd commit violent
acts in real life.  What I loved about slashdot was the freedom to - for
instance, say things like "Fuck Beta", and know that it was totally 
acceptable in that forum.

$0.02...

(Yes, I know, sane people don't read ToS, or if they do, they don't actually
think about them.  Like I said, I'm sadly a psychotic massochist in that way)

-dmc

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#290

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:37:49 AM UTC+1, John Brownalt wrote:
> On the odd chance someone in the universe finds this sadly funny-
> 
> 
> 
> I already hate SoylentNews with all of my bitter little heart.  The reason
> 
> is especially ironic given that SN was born of "FuckBeta" movement.
> 
> 
> 
> I loathe unneeded and overbroad Terms of Service.  I suppose the only reason
> 
> I read ToS is because I'm a massochist.
> 
> 
> 
> "You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, **hateful**, 
> 
> threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any 
> 
> laws be it of your country, the country where "SoylentNews" is hosted or 
> 
> International Law."
> 
> 
> 
> I actually can't register to their forums because I just can't stand to
> 
> have to think about whether or not something I say might be "hateful".
> 
> Much of what I like to write about is that which I hate.  I write hateful
> 
> things on internet forums because I think if I didn't, I'd commit violent
> 
> acts in real life.  What I loved about slashdot was the freedom to - for
> 
> instance, say things like "Fuck Beta", and know that it was totally 
> 
> acceptable in that forum.
> 
> 
> 
> $0.02...
> 
> 
> 
> (Yes, I know, sane people don't read ToS, or if they do, they don't actually
> 
> think about them.  Like I said, I'm sadly a psychotic massochist in that way)
> 
> 
> 
> -dmc

This text is the standard ToS of PhpBB: it is what you get if you set up a forum and don't bother at all about the ToS.
"https://www.phpbb.com/community/ucp.php?mode=terms"

So I wouldn't read too much in that: the ToS of SoylentNews itself will most probably be completely different.

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#303

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 02:16:39 -0800 (PST), Koen Lefever
<koen.lefever@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:37:49 AM UTC+1, John Brownalt wrote:
>> On the odd chance someone in the universe finds this sadly funny-
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I already hate SoylentNews with all of my bitter little heart.  The reason
>> 
>> is especially ironic given that SN was born of "FuckBeta" movement.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I loathe unneeded and overbroad Terms of Service.  I suppose the only reason
>> 
>> I read ToS is because I'm a massochist.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, **hateful**, 
>> 
>> threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any 
>> 
>> laws be it of your country, the country where "SoylentNews" is hosted or 
>> 
>> International Law."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I actually can't register to their forums because I just can't stand to
>> 
>> have to think about whether or not something I say might be "hateful".
>> 
>> Much of what I like to write about is that which I hate.  I write hateful
>> 
>> things on internet forums because I think if I didn't, I'd commit violent
>> 
>> acts in real life.  What I loved about slashdot was the freedom to - for
>> 
>> instance, say things like "Fuck Beta", and know that it was totally 
>> 
>> acceptable in that forum.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> $0.02...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Yes, I know, sane people don't read ToS, or if they do, they don't actually
>> 
>> think about them.  Like I said, I'm sadly a psychotic massochist in that way)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -dmc
>
>This text is the standard ToS of PhpBB: it is what you get if you set up a forum and don't bother at all about the ToS.
>"https://www.phpbb.com/community/ucp.php?mode=terms"
>
>So I wouldn't read too much in that: the ToS of SoylentNews itself will most probably be completely different.

What Koen said. I too read the TOS (I mean, it was short enough that I
/could/ read it, which was refreshing in and of itself) but I also
came to the conclusion this was standard boilerplate text for the
PhpBB forum. 

However, if you have a concern you ought to mention it to the SN
admins and suggest they hammer out a new TOS. Soylent is still
developing in all areas and I wouldn't take anything as written in
stone yet.

Although honestly, I'd be surprised if Slashdot didn't have similar
text in its terms (I'd check, but I'm trying to honor the boycott ;-).

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#305

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:40:10 -0500
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 02:16:39 -0800 (PST), Koen Lefever
> <koen.lefever@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:37:49 AM UTC+1, John Brownalt wrote:
> >> On the odd chance someone in the universe finds this sadly funny-

> 
> Although honestly, I'd be surprised if Slashdot didn't have similar
> text in its terms (I'd check, but I'm trying to honor the boycott ;-).


I'm not convince "Uck-Fay Eta-Bey" qualifies as hate speech these days,
anyway.  Something like those guys who harrassed some woman via twitter
with insistent threats of death and rape is probably more like hate
speech these days.  

Remember in the 1980s when parents complained that the "A-Team" was too
violent, and magazine articles counted bullets shot per show?  These
days, A-Team doesn't look violent at all.  Hate speech has evolved in
the same way, I think.  You'd probably have to threaten very specific
things to very specific people to 'qualify.'

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#568

Just to let people know, John (at) SoylentNews (the admin) has replied to this on 
squte.com, using the name 'EvilOverlord'.
I am copying it below for those reading this on desktop readers

QUOTE

I'm with everyone else on this - don't read too much into the TOS you find on 
SoylentNews. Right now we're rushing to get everything done, and have only been 
addressing issues related to first rollout.

I intend to turn the site into a nerd utopia that bucks all the ugly corporate trends. 
This will take time to gel - certainly more than a week. Check us out in a few months, 
once we've had a chance to settle in and address the details. You'll probably 
like the TOS.

Did I mention I'm in charge over there? Probably should have...

John (at) SoylentNews (dot) org

END QUOTE

regards
~tdk
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