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  When you click on the unsubscribe link in an email... Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-22 13:53 +1100
    Re: When you click on the unsubscribe link in an email... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-01-22 04:53 +0000
      Re: When you click on the unsubscribe link in an email... Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-22 19:18 +1100
        Re: When you click on the unsubscribe link in an email... RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-22 17:25 +0000
          Re: When you click on the unsubscribe link in an email...     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2016-01-22 11:16 -0800
            Re: When you click on the unsubscribe link in an email... Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-01-29 10:07 +0100
          Re: When you click on the unsubscribe link in an email... Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-22 19:41 -0500
            Re: When you click on the unsubscribe link in an email... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-01-23 00:39 +0000
        Re: When you click on the unsubscribe link in an email... Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-01-29 10:01 +0100
    Re: When you click on the unsubscribe link in an email... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-01-22 04:59 +0000
    Re: When you click on the unsubscribe link in an email... Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.fastmail.uk> - 2016-01-22 15:14 +0000
    Re: When you click on the unsubscribe link in an email... Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2016-01-22 19:36 +0000
      Re: When you click on the unsubscribe link in an email... Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-01-29 10:13 +0100

#10069 — When you click on the unsubscribe link in an email...

... does it mean

1) Don't send me this specific email again.

2) Don't send me an email with the same subject line again.

3) Don't send me emails that someone in your organisation considers to 
be of similar content.

4) Don't send me emails that fall into the same finely nuanced category 
out of the 57 you've managed to think up so far.

5) Don't send me any emails from your organisation.

6) Die die die evil spammer.

7) I intend to disconnect from the internet forthwith, and forever.

8) I confirm that this is a real email address, so please spam me into 
eternity.

Well, I think it means 5, absent some compelling reason for it not to.

They seem to think it means 3 or 4, or perhaps even 2. I don't they've 
tried to construe it as 1, though give them time.

Sylvia.

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#10071

Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> ... does it mean

> 1) Don't send me this specific email again.

> 2) Don't send me an email with the same subject line again.

> 3) Don't send me emails that someone in your organisation considers to 
> be of similar content.

> 4) Don't send me emails that fall into the same finely nuanced category 
> out of the 57 you've managed to think up so far.

> 5) Don't send me any emails from your organisation.

> 6) Die die die evil spammer.

> 7) I intend to disconnect from the internet forthwith, and forever.

> 8) I confirm that this is a real email address, so please spam me into 
> eternity.

> Well, I think it means 5, absent some compelling reason for it not to.

> They seem to think it means 3 or 4, or perhaps even 2. I don't they've 
> tried to construe it as 1, though give them time.

Depending upon the disrepute of the sender, it also often can mean #8.

I've seen #4 in action, although the way that trick appeared to work
for the particular corporate entity is that when one forgot to
"uncheck" the checked by default, tiny, hidden, checkbox that said
"please send me email offers, etc.", what they actually did was
subscribe one's email simultaneously to 57 different lists all served
from the same server.  That way as you 'unsubscribed' from each list,
it was almost like playing an email version of 'whack-a-mole'.

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#10073

On 22/01/2016 3:53 PM, Rich wrote:
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>> ... does it mean
>
>> 1) Don't send me this specific email again.
>
>> 2) Don't send me an email with the same subject line again.
>
>> 3) Don't send me emails that someone in your organisation considers to
>> be of similar content.
>
>> 4) Don't send me emails that fall into the same finely nuanced category
>> out of the 57 you've managed to think up so far.
>
>> 5) Don't send me any emails from your organisation.
>
>> 6) Die die die evil spammer.
>
>> 7) I intend to disconnect from the internet forthwith, and forever.
>
>> 8) I confirm that this is a real email address, so please spam me into
>> eternity.
>
>> Well, I think it means 5, absent some compelling reason for it not to.
>
>> They seem to think it means 3 or 4, or perhaps even 2. I don't they've
>> tried to construe it as 1, though give them time.
>
> Depending upon the disrepute of the sender, it also often can mean #8.
>
> I've seen #4 in action, although the way that trick appeared to work
> for the particular corporate entity is that when one forgot to
> "uncheck" the checked by default, tiny, hidden, checkbox that said
> "please send me email offers, etc.", what they actually did was
> subscribe one's email simultaneously to 57 different lists all served
> from the same server.  That way as you 'unsubscribed' from each list,
> it was almost like playing an email version of 'whack-a-mole'.
>
>

Also, they can resubscribe you after a while with the virtual certainty 
that you won't be able to prove, or even be reasonably sure, that you'd 
ever unsubscribed.

Sylvia

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#10086

On 2016-01-22, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> On 22/01/2016 3:53 PM, Rich wrote:
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>>> ... does it mean

Don't forget: "We're sorry to see you go!  Please fill out this annoying
survey telling us why you're leaving" ... because we haven't yet annoyed
you to our full capacity.

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#10093

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> Don't forget: "We're sorry to see you go!  Please fill out this annoying
> survey telling us why you're leaving" ... because we haven't yet annoyed
> you to our full capacity.

I usually welcome that as a potential opportunity to rip
them a new one.

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#10181

On 2016-01-22, Bill Evans <wje@acm.org> wrote:
> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>> Don't forget: "We're sorry to see you go!  Please fill out this annoying
>> survey telling us why you're leaving" ... because we haven't yet annoyed
>> you to our full capacity.
>
> I usually welcome that as a potential opportunity to rip
> them a new one.

But that takes us back to a seemingly endless set of meaningless
questions about "rating your experience on a scale of 1-10". I know I've
given up before getting to anywhere I can give proper feedback.

-- 
An invention needs to make sense in the world in which it's finished,
not the world in which it's started.                  -- Ray Kurzweil

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#10097

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016, RS Wood wrote:

> On 2016-01-22, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>> On 22/01/2016 3:53 PM, Rich wrote:
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>>>> ... does it mean
>
> Don't forget: "We're sorry to see you go!  Please fill out this annoying
> survey telling us why you're leaving" ... because we haven't yet annoyed
> you to our full capacity.
>
But will the comment field have enough characters so you can complete your 
complaint?

   Michael

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#10098

Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016, RS Wood wrote:

> > On 2016-01-22, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> >> On 22/01/2016 3:53 PM, Rich wrote:
> >>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> >>>> ... does it mean
> >
> > Don't forget: "We're sorry to see you go!  Please fill out this annoying
> > survey telling us why you're leaving" ... because we haven't yet annoyed
> > you to our full capacity.
> >
> But will the comment field have enough characters so you can complete your 
> complaint?

No, and what is worse, the "survey" will contain an opt-in for email
marketing check-box that is checked on by default, and given a css
style of "display: none;" so that upon submitting the survey, you have
'agreed' to be sent emails again, continuing the cycle....

My other solution to some of this problem is to give each company a
custom, unique, email address.  That way if one of them abuses the
privlidge, I just remove the alias for them, and all of their emails
simply bounce from that point onward.

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#10180

On 2016-01-22, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> On 22/01/2016 3:53 PM, Rich wrote:
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>>> ... does it mean
>>
>>> 1) Don't send me this specific email again.
>>
>>> 2) Don't send me an email with the same subject line again.
>>
>>> 3) Don't send me emails that someone in your organisation considers to
>>> be of similar content.
>>
>>> 4) Don't send me emails that fall into the same finely nuanced category
>>> out of the 57 you've managed to think up so far.
>>
>>> 5) Don't send me any emails from your organisation.
>>
>>> 6) Die die die evil spammer.
>>
>>> 7) I intend to disconnect from the internet forthwith, and forever.
>>
>>> 8) I confirm that this is a real email address, so please spam me into
>>> eternity.
>>
>>> Well, I think it means 5, absent some compelling reason for it not to.
>>
>>> They seem to think it means 3 or 4, or perhaps even 2. I don't they've
>>> tried to construe it as 1, though give them time.
>>
>> Depending upon the disrepute of the sender, it also often can mean #8.
>>
>> I've seen #4 in action, although the way that trick appeared to work
>> for the particular corporate entity is that when one forgot to
>> "uncheck" the checked by default, tiny, hidden, checkbox that said
>> "please send me email offers, etc.", what they actually did was
>> subscribe one's email simultaneously to 57 different lists all served
>> from the same server.  That way as you 'unsubscribed' from each list,
>> it was almost like playing an email version of 'whack-a-mole'.
>>
>>
>
> Also, they can resubscribe you after a while with the virtual certainty 
> that you won't be able to prove, or even be reasonably sure, that you'd 
> ever unsubscribed.

For the last couple of years I've been saving  the "You have been
unsubscribed" web forms for selected offenders.

-- 
An invention needs to make sense in the world in which it's finished,
not the world in which it's started.                  -- Ray Kurzweil

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#10072

Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> ... does it mean

> ...

9) Unsubscribe me *immediately* and *do not* send me any more emails
from your organization.


One that always gets me is the: 

  "You have been unsubscribed, however it make take up to one week for
   your unsubscription to take effect"

To which I always respond: No, unsubscription from an email list-serv
is instant.  You are clearly a technical incompetent if it takes one
week to finally be removed.


There is a reason why, when "org X" wants "email address" and they have
no need for it, they get "nospam@example.com".

That way, I get "no spam" from them....

Of course, this only works for the one's where you can work with their
not being able to contact you.

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#10080

On 2016-01-22 02:53:10 +0000, Sylvia Else said:

> ... does it mean
> 
> 1) Don't send me this specific email again.
> 
> 2) Don't send me an email with the same subject line again.
> 
> 3) Don't send me emails that someone in your organisation considers to 
> be of similar content.
> 
> 4) Don't send me emails that fall into the same finely nuanced category 
> out of the 57 you've managed to think up so far.
> 
> 5) Don't send me any emails from your organisation.
> 
> 6) Die die die evil spammer.
> 
> 7) I intend to disconnect from the internet forthwith, and forever.
> 
> 8) I confirm that this is a real email address, so please spam me into 
> eternity.
> 
> Well, I think it means 5, absent some compelling reason for it not to.
> 
> They seem to think it means 3 or 4, or perhaps even 2. I don't they've 
> tried to construe it as 1, though give them time.
> 
> Sylvia.

As a rule, I'd only use the unsubscribe link on a spam email if I've 
been seeing the same message coming from the same organisation for 
several weeks or months. This would indicate to me that it is a genuine 
mailing list that either acquired my email address by some means, or 
that someone else subscribe me to for teh lulz.

As I have my own personal email, and use custom aliases for most 
services I use, it's not too hard to work out where email harvesting 
has occurred.
-- 
Alan Ralph - Wearer Of Many Hats!

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#10090

In message <dgdjsoFmddmU1@mid.individual.net>, Sylvia Else 
<sylvia@not.at.this.address> writes
>... does it mean
>
>1) Don't send me this specific email again.
>
>2) Don't send me an email with the same subject line again.
>
>3) Don't send me emails that someone in your organisation considers to 
>be of similar content.
>
>4) Don't send me emails that fall into the same finely nuanced category 
>out of the 57 you've managed to think up so far.
>
>5) Don't send me any emails from your organisation.
>
>6) Die die die evil spammer.
>
>7) I intend to disconnect from the internet forthwith, and forever.
>
>8) I confirm that this is a real email address, so please spam me into 
>eternity.
>
>Well, I think it means 5, absent some compelling reason for it not to.
>
>They seem to think it means 3 or 4, or perhaps even 2. I don't they've 
>tried to construe it as 1, though give them time.
>
>Sylvia.

You forgot 9.  You (the person doing the clicking) clearly don't 
understand what you are doing, so we'll ignore your request.


Adrian
-- 
To Reply :
replace "bulleid" with "adrian" - all mail to bulleid is rejected
Sorry for the rigmarole, If I want spam, I'll go to the shops
Every time someone says "I don't believe in trolls", another one dies.

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#10182

On 2016-01-22, Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> wrote:
> In message <dgdjsoFmddmU1@mid.individual.net>, Sylvia Else 
><sylvia@not.at.this.address> writes
>>... does it mean
>>
>>1) Don't send me this specific email again.
>>
>>2) Don't send me an email with the same subject line again.
>>
>>3) Don't send me emails that someone in your organisation considers to 
>>be of similar content.
>>
>>4) Don't send me emails that fall into the same finely nuanced category 
>>out of the 57 you've managed to think up so far.
>>
>>5) Don't send me any emails from your organisation.
>>
>>6) Die die die evil spammer.
>>
>>7) I intend to disconnect from the internet forthwith, and forever.
>>
>>8) I confirm that this is a real email address, so please spam me into 
>>eternity.
>>
>>Well, I think it means 5, absent some compelling reason for it not to.
>>
>>They seem to think it means 3 or 4, or perhaps even 2. I don't they've 
>>tried to construe it as 1, though give them time.
>>
>>Sylvia.
>
> You forgot 9.  You (the person doing the clicking) clearly don't 
> understand what you are doing, so we'll ignore your request.

That's up there with those services which say that they'll keep your
account alive so that if you change your mind you can get it back
*cough* Facebook *cough*

-- 
An invention needs to make sense in the world in which it's finished,
not the world in which it's started.                  -- Ray Kurzweil

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