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Re: DEC and The Americans

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In article <n87ve9$b84$1@solani.org>, RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>On 2016-01-26, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Something serious in the workplace"?
>>
>> Define "serious".  The laptop that I got off of ebay for 200 bucks
>> with the original XP that it came with installed on it will hammer an
>> '80s supercomputer into the dust.  PCs are immensely "serious" today.
>> There are tasks which individual machines are not good at (generally
>> those involving large numbers of users having shared access to live
>> data) and there are applications that benefit from massively parallel
>> architectures, but those are rather specialized and far more than most
>> businesses need.
>
>The fact that modern desktops have the computing power of old PDPs
>doesn't have anything to do with deciding whether the old 'centralized'
>model of computing has benefits that would be interesting today.  Ask
>any sysadmin who has had to deal with a fleet of PCs, each user storing
>his stuff locally, people emailing each other documents to collaborate,
>etc.  
>
>If modern PCs have high specs, hooray.  Now put a souped-up, modern,
>high spec version of what used to be called  a PDP down in the basement,
>and put a thin client on every desk.  Live happily ever after.
>Ostensibly, if desktops are 1x10^6 times more powerful, our servers are,
>too: a recipe for happiness.

A lot of this cloud stuff will move back to "computers that you
own but are located somewhere on the net" from "computers that someone
else owns but are located somewhere on the net".

A lot of the moves towards others computers has been founded on
a huge squeeze in hosting. If you go out and buy colo (i.e. rack space)
you will pay around $2k/rack/month for rack, power, connectivity; if
you buy single racks without any particular buying power; and you need
reasonable access ; i.e. within EU, near large city. Building the
same redundancy in your own basement will cost lots more. Orders of
magintude more. Just having the diesels, power, batteries, cooling in 
costs millions. And double if you are in a standard office building.

If you are Amazon, Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Facebook, IBM you build all
of this yourself, or contract 1km2 or more. Then you pay $350/rack/month
to yourself. They can then sell the service LOTS cheaper, and will
include their services; and still make a bundle. And they have it available
now, not 7 months into the future.

Never mind that this is located in the Nevada desert, or in the Finnish
woods. 

-- mrr

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DEC and The Americans RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-25 17:26 +0300
  Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 10:58 -0500
    Re: DEC and The Americans Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-25 11:47 -0500
    Re: DEC and The Americans John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-01-25 16:47 +0000
      Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-25 17:41 +0000
        Re: DEC and The Americans mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2016-01-25 19:25 +0000
        Re: DEC and The Americans Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-01-25 16:15 -0500
      Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 13:17 -0500
        Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-26 08:20 +0000
          Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-26 11:32 +0000
          Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:23 -0600
        Re: DEC and The Americans Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2016-01-26 19:08 +0200
        Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:20 -0600
          Re: DEC and The Americans scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2016-01-27 19:40 +0000
        Re: DEC and The Americans Yeechang Lee <ylee@columbia.edu> - 2016-01-27 22:40 -0800
      Re: DEC and The Americans Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2016-01-26 21:16 +0200
        Re: DEC and The Americans "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-01-28 10:07 -0800
    Re: DEC and The Americans "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 05:48 +1100
    Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-26 13:56 +0000
      Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:43 -0600
        Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-27 15:42 +0000
          Re: DEC and The Americans pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-02-03 00:36 +0000
            Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-03 14:25 +0000
  Re: DEC and The Americans Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-01-25 17:27 +0000
    Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-25 11:18 -0800
  Re: DEC and The Americans "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 05:40 +1100
  Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 19:12 -0500
    Re: DEC and The Americans RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-26 14:22 +0000
      Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-26 16:20 +0100
        Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-26 11:36 -0500
        Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:37 -0500
          Re: DEC and The Americans Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-27 03:58 +0000
            Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-27 06:16 +0000
            Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-27 15:42 +0000
            Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-27 18:14 +0000
      Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:34 -0500
  Re: DEC and The Americans bleep@compy.0-0 (Colonel Bleep) - 2016-01-30 07:07 +0000
    Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:43 -0500
      Re: DEC and The Americans Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-30 09:02 -0800
    Re: DEC and The Americans Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 20:36 +0000

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