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Re: Vanadium: The metal that may soon be powering your neighbourhood

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From Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
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Subject Re: Vanadium: The metal that may soon be powering your neighbourhood
Date Mon, 16 Jun 2014 11:51:23 +1000
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On 16/06/2014 3:23 AM, Whiskers wrote:
> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27829874>
>
> For those who aren't impressed by the iron flow battery mentioned
> recently.
>

The Wikipedia article for the vanadium redox battery indicates that you 
need two atoms of vanadium for each electron. Thus 100g of Vanadium 
gives approximately 6 * 10^23 electrons, or about 10^5 Coulombs.

The open cell potential is about 1 volt, so our 100g of Vanadium gives 
at most 10^5 Joules. One tonne of Vanadium thus give us 10^9 Joules, or 
about 280 kWh.

The world's known vanadium reserves are about 13 million tonnes.

http://vanitec.org/vanadium/vanadium-sources-producers/

So if it were all used in vanadium redox batteries, we'd have a capacity 
of 13 * 10^6 * 280 kWh, or about 3640 GWh.

Wikipedia indicates that the world electricity consumption is 
19,320,360,620 MWh per year, or about 53 GWh per day.

The point of using the batteries is to balance supply and demand, yet it 
is clear from the above numbers that the scope for using vanadium redox 
batteries in this role is going to be very limited if for no other 
reason than there isn't enough vanadium.

Sylvia

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Vanadium: The metal that may soon be powering your neighbourhood Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-06-15 18:23 +0100
  Re: Vanadium: The metal that may soon be powering your neighbourhood Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2014-06-16 11:51 +1000
    Re: Vanadium: The metal that may soon be powering your neighbourhood Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2014-06-16 13:29 +1000
    Re: Vanadium: The metal that may soon be powering your neighbourhood Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-06-16 13:03 +0100
      Re: Vanadium: The metal that may soon be powering your neighbourhood Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2014-06-16 23:02 +1000
        Re: Vanadium: The metal that may soon be powering your neighbourhood Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-06-16 20:29 +0100

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