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From Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com>
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Subject Re: ebooks
Date Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:21:27 -0500
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Lewis wrote:

> In message <slrnlj02jc.1j0.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>
>   Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:
> > On 2014-03-24, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> In message <slrnlitso1.23e.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>
> >>
> >>> If I'm going to pay for a book, I want a hard copy; a proper
> >>> paperback at least.  I am repelled by the idea of paying money for a
> >>> licence to possess one digital copy which is not transferable to
> >>> anyone else, and possibly not even to another device owned by me, and
> >>> which can be withdrawn at any time the provider sees fit.  Books are
> >>> for sharing and passing on and going back to; that's perfectly
> >>> possible with ebooks, but not while the publishers try to impose
> >>> 'digital rights management' and 'licenses' and other nonsense making
> >>> such activities 'shady' or 'illegal'.
> >>
> >> Fortunately, stripping the DRM from ebooks is trivial.
>
> > But doing so contravenes the 'licence' or 'end user licensing agreement'
> > to which you have to agree before you can access the original file.
>
> Don't care. I consider the license illegal and immoral.

How so?  It is a serious question so I can understand your comments.

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Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-23 12:06 +0000
  Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-23 12:11 +0000
    Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-23 14:43 +0000
      Re: ebooks Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-23 16:14 +0000
      Re: ebooks root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2014-03-23 18:09 +0000
        Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-23 19:21 +0000
        Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-23 20:34 +0000
          Re: ebooks Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2014-06-13 14:14 -0400
            Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-13 21:44 +0100
            Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-13 16:53 -0400
              Re: ebooks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-06-14 08:37 +0100
                Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-14 18:34 -0400
                Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-15 10:40 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-15 12:05 +0100
                Re: ebooks Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-06-15 11:20 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-15 12:37 +0100
                Re: ebooks root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2014-06-15 17:48 +0000
                Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-15 15:59 -0400
                Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-16 06:30 +1000
                Re: ebooks Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2014-06-16 04:04 -0500
                Re: ebooks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-16 11:44 +0000
                Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-16 10:32 -0400
                Re: ebooks Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2014-06-16 10:43 -0500
                Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-16 13:13 -0400
                Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-17 06:45 +1000
                Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-17 06:36 +1000
                Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-15 22:43 +0000
                Re: ebooks Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-06-15 23:26 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-16 22:01 +0100
              Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-15 06:27 +1000
      Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-23 19:09 +0000
      Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 01:55 +0000
        Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 10:35 +0000
          Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-24 13:01 -0400
            Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-24 17:15 +0100
          Re: ebooks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-03-24 15:07 +0000
            Re: ebooks Rich <rich@example.com> - 2014-03-24 17:13 +0000
              Re: ebooks Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-03-24 13:07 -0500
                Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-24 13:28 -0500
                Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-24 21:48 +0100
                Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 22:57 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Lanto J." <lantoj78@gmail.com> - 2014-03-25 08:14 +1100
                Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 00:01 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Lanto J." <lantoj78@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 07:17 +1100
                Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 23:44 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Lanto J." <lantoj78@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 12:01 +1100
                Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-26 13:36 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-26 20:08 +0000
                Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-24 14:48 -0400
                Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-25 18:13 -0400
                Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 01:20 -0400
                Re: ebooks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-03-25 05:49 +0000
                Re: ebooks Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-25 07:06 +0000
                Re: ebooks Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-03-25 08:19 -0500
                Re: ebooks Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-03-25 09:40 -0400
                Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-26 11:14 +1100
                Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-25 15:42 -0400
                Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-25 11:47 -0500
                Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-25 19:25 -0400
                Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-26 12:19 -0400
                Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 08:25 -0500
                Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-26 16:01 -0400
                Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-26 20:38 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-27 08:19 +1100
                Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 15:58 -0500
                Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-27 06:28 -0400
                Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-26 22:03 +0100
                Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 00:46 -0400
                Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-26 15:01 -0500
                Re: ebooks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-03-26 20:57 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-27 13:23 +0000
                Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-27 17:48 +0100
                Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-27 08:26 -0500
                Re: ebooks greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-27 14:55 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-27 10:05 -0500
                Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-27 11:55 -0500
                Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-27 14:25 -0500
                Re: ebooks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-03-27 20:44 +0000
                Re: ebooks Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-28 01:38 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-27 22:37 -0500
                Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 23:52 -0400
                Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-28 16:07 +1100
                Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-28 10:52 -0500
                Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-28 11:57 -0500
                Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-28 14:41 -0500
                Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-28 21:27 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-28 17:02 -0500
                Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-28 23:46 -0400
                Re: ebooks Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> - 2014-04-02 01:32 +0000
                Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-02 14:28 +0000
                Re: ebooks Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> - 2014-04-07 05:32 +0000
                Re: ebooks "John" <j@j.j> - 2014-04-17 16:36 -0700
                Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-04-02 07:31 -0800
                Re: ebooks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-03-26 13:38 +0000
                Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 11:14 -0500
                Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 00:56 -0400
                Re: ebooks Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> - 2014-03-27 16:52 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-27 14:03 -0500
                Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 23:07 -0400
                Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-27 21:44 +0100
                Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-26 13:51 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-26 09:22 -0800
                Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-26 13:54 -0500
                Re: ebooks davidmylastname@acm.org (David Griffith) - 2014-03-27 03:41 +0000
                Re: ebooks Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-03-27 07:36 -0400
                Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-28 03:40 -0400
                Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-27 17:59 +0100
                Re: ebooks Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-03-26 15:38 -0700
                Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-26 22:09 -0400
                Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-27 13:55 -0500
                Re: ebooks Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-28 02:27 +0000
                Re: ebooks cb@bobby.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2014-03-28 10:42 +0000
                Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 23:12 -0400
                Re: ebooks Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-03-28 23:17 -0700
                Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-26 16:06 -0400
                Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-26 09:19 -0800
                Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-26 13:50 -0500
                Re: ebooks Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-26 20:00 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-26 13:30 -0800
                Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 15:51 -0500
                Re: ebooks Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-03-26 13:09 -0600
                Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-26 19:23 -0400
                Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-27 08:12 +1100
                Re: ebooks despen@verizon.net (Dan.Espen) - 2014-03-26 19:24 -0400
                Re: ebooks Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-26 23:40 +0000
                Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-27 06:36 -0400
                Knuth/TeX (was Re: ebooks) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-27 14:33 +0000
                Re: Knuth/TeX (was Re: ebooks) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-27 14:01 -0500
                Re: ebooks rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2014-03-27 03:10 +0000
                Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-25 08:19 -0500
                Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-25 15:16 +0000
                Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 13:32 +0000
                Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-25 15:20 +0000
                Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-25 15:49 -0400
                Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-25 15:58 +0000
                Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 01:46 -0400
                Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-25 08:48 -0800
                Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-25 21:20 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-26 07:31 +1100
                Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-25 08:42 -0400
              Re: ebooks Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-03-24 12:52 -0600
            Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-24 20:12 -0400
              Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-24 15:54 -0500
              Re: ebooks Rob Myers <rob@robmyers.org> - 2014-03-24 22:19 +0000
            Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-25 07:54 +1100
          Re: ebooks scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-03-24 16:21 +0000
          Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 17:02 +0000
            Re: ebooks Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-03-24 12:21 -0500
            Re: ebooks Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-03-24 19:50 +0000
              Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 22:48 +0000
                Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 23:42 +0000
                Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-25 15:07 +0000
                Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 23:40 +0000
                Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-26 21:57 +0100
                Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-28 13:58 +0000
                Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-28 15:44 +0100
                Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 11:35 +1100
          Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-25 07:28 +1100
            Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 22:31 +0000
              Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 00:06 +0000
              Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 07:06 +1100
          Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-24 10:25 -0400
      Re: ebooks Mike Sanders <mike@taco-shack.cow> - 2014-03-24 06:04 +0000
      Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-26 13:17 +0100
  Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-23 19:23 -0400

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