Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time)

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From	Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net>
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Subject	Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time)
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Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com>:

> Unicode can only be encoded to bytes.
> Bytes can only be decoded to unicode.

I don't really like it how Unicode is equated with text, or even
character strings.

There's barely any difference between the truth value of these
statements:

   Python strings are ASCII.

   Python strings are Latin-1.

   Python strings are Unicode.

Each of those statements is true as long as you stay within the
respective character sets, and cease to be true when your text contains
characters outside the character sets.

Now, it is true that Python currently limits itself to the 1,114,112
Unicode code points. And it likely won't adopt more characters unless
Unicode does it first. However, text is something more lofty and
abstract than a sequence of Unicode code points.

We shouldn't call strings Unicode any more than we call numbers IEEE or
times ISO.


Marko

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Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-11-20 09:51 -0700
  Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-20 20:56 +0200
    Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 10:49 +1100
      Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-21 08:36 +0200
        Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 18:02 +1100
          Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-21 09:14 +0200
            Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 18:29 +1100
              Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-21 10:16 +0200
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 19:24 +1100
        Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 08:03 -0800
          Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-21 18:36 +0200
            Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 03:52 +1100
            Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-22 15:38 +1100
              Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-22 08:40 +0200
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-23 00:50 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 01:17 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-22 16:18 +0200
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-11-22 09:44 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-22 16:56 +0200
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-11-22 07:44 -0800
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 07:57 -0800
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-22 19:49 +0200
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-11-22 18:17 +0000
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-11-22 11:32 -0800
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-11-22 11:17 -0800
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 07:17 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-11-22 22:04 +0000
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 09:31 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-11-22 23:38 +0000
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-11-23 04:52 -0800
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) random832@fastmail.us - 2014-11-22 20:52 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 13:11 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) random832@fastmail.us - 2014-11-22 22:10 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-11-23 11:33 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 03:39 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) random832@fastmail.us - 2014-11-23 13:13 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2014-11-23 15:31 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 09:22 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-11-23 20:24 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) random832@fastmail.us - 2014-11-24 00:05 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-11-24 11:51 +1300
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 09:59 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-24 08:57 +0200
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 18:18 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-24 09:40 +0200
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-25 09:56 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-25 10:08 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-25 08:23 +0200
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-25 22:56 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-26 00:07 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-11-25 06:26 -0800
              Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) random832@fastmail.us - 2014-11-22 20:35 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-23 17:17 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 17:37 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-11-23 07:40 -0800
    Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-21 11:32 +1100
      Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 12:10 +1100
        Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-22 02:23 +1100
          Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 02:40 +1100
          Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-11-21 10:00 -0600
      Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) random832@fastmail.us - 2014-11-20 20:31 -0500
      Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 12:39 +1100

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