Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time)

Date	2014-11-20 09:51 -0700
From	Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com>
Subject	Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time)
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On 11/20/2014 09:32 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> wrote:
>>> I think that you may get a Unicode/Encode/Error when you try to /decode/
>>> a unicode string is more confusing...
>>
>> Hang on a minute, what does it even mean to decode a Unicode string?
> 
> Let's not get philosophical ;)

It's not philosophical.  It's an important distinction that folks need
to be clear on when understanding unicode and the errors that python can
throw.

Unicode can only be encoded to bytes.
Bytes can only be decoded to unicode.

Without understanding that, the exception errors about decoding won't be
properly understood, nor will one know how to fix them.

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Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-11-20 09:51 -0700
  Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-20 20:56 +0200
    Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 10:49 +1100
      Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-21 08:36 +0200
        Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 18:02 +1100
          Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-21 09:14 +0200
            Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 18:29 +1100
              Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-21 10:16 +0200
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 19:24 +1100
        Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 08:03 -0800
          Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-21 18:36 +0200
            Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 03:52 +1100
            Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-22 15:38 +1100
              Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-22 08:40 +0200
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-23 00:50 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 01:17 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-22 16:18 +0200
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-11-22 09:44 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-22 16:56 +0200
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-11-22 07:44 -0800
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 07:57 -0800
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-22 19:49 +0200
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-11-22 18:17 +0000
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-11-22 11:32 -0800
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-11-22 11:17 -0800
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 07:17 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-11-22 22:04 +0000
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 09:31 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-11-22 23:38 +0000
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-11-23 04:52 -0800
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) random832@fastmail.us - 2014-11-22 20:52 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 13:11 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) random832@fastmail.us - 2014-11-22 22:10 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-11-23 11:33 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 03:39 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) random832@fastmail.us - 2014-11-23 13:13 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2014-11-23 15:31 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 09:22 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-11-23 20:24 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) random832@fastmail.us - 2014-11-24 00:05 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-11-24 11:51 +1300
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 09:59 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-24 08:57 +0200
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-24 18:18 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-24 09:40 +0200
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-25 09:56 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-25 10:08 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-11-25 08:23 +0200
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-25 22:56 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-26 00:07 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-11-25 06:26 -0800
              Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) random832@fastmail.us - 2014-11-22 20:35 -0500
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-23 17:17 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-23 17:37 +1100
                Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-11-23 07:40 -0800
    Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-21 11:32 +1100
      Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 12:10 +1100
        Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-11-22 02:23 +1100
          Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-22 02:40 +1100
          Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-11-21 10:00 -0600
      Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) random832@fastmail.us - 2014-11-20 20:31 -0500
      Re: python 2.7 and unicode (one more time) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-11-21 12:39 +1100

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