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  😂 "Plog-like" - that should be the official term! Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-08 01:14 +0200
    How deep seek went bonkers (Re: 😂 "Plog-like" - that should be the official term!) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-08 01:23 +0200
    Declarative farts versus MSI Claw AI+, who would win? (Was: 😂 "Plog-like" - that should be the official term!) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-23 14:35 +0200
      Gameified AI Engineers brains blown out [Kurzweil's 2045 Prediction] (Re: Declarative farts versus MSI Claw AI+, who would win?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-23 15:19 +0200
        The intelligent Cloud, Fog and Edge is evolving (Was: Gameified AI Engineers brains blown out [Kurzweil's 2045 Prediction]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-24 11:38 +0200
          More Dreams: LLM + Chess = LRM (Was: The intelligent Cloud, Fog and Edge is evolving) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-25 12:50 +0200
            Not for Boris the Loris and Julio the Nazi Retared (Was: More Dreams: LLM + Chess = LRM) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-25 13:08 +0200
    Arrow Functions can do Existential Quantifier (Was: 😂 "Plog-like" - that should be the official term!) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-06 14:12 +0100
      Resolving Ambiguity in Negation as Failure Re: Arrow Functions can do Existential Quantifier (Was: 😂 "Plog-like" - that should be the official term!) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-06 14:21 +0100
        Future Outlook of Logic Programming (Was: Resolving Ambiguity in Negation as Failure) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-06 14:25 +0100
      Clueless Moron and Paid Putin Troll (Re: Arrow Functions can do Existential Quantifier) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-06 22:50 +0100
        2.1 Logical variables and equations (Re: Clueless Moron and Paid Putin Troll) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-06 22:51 +0100
          Re: 2.1 Logical variables and equations (Re: Clueless Moron and Paid Putin Troll) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-06 22:52 +0100
            Re: 2.1 Logical variables and equations (Re: Clueless Moron and Paid Putin Troll) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-06 22:52 +0100
            Re: 2.1 Logical variables and equations (Re: Clueless Moron and Paid Putin Troll) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-06 23:56 +0100
            Re: 2.1 Logical variables and equations (Re: Clueless Moron and Paid Putin Troll) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-06 23:58 +0100
              What does Type Free mean? (Re: 2.1 Logical variables and equations) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-06 23:59 +0100
        A noiseless patient Spider is a Pussy Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-07 00:03 +0100
        Forget your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088 [Logic Tiling] (Re: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-27 11:29 +0200
          Train yourself to become a nosomatic AI chirurgeon (Re: Forget your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088 [Logic Tiling]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-27 11:40 +0200
            Homework: Game Engine in WebGPU (Re: Train yourself to become a nosomatic AI chirurgeon) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-03 02:06 +0200
              Johnny Depp prevention [Windows 11 etc...] (Re: Homework: Game Engine in WebGPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-03 18:17 +0200
                But how can you deploy, when its ROM? (Re: Johnny Depp prevention [Windows 11 etc...]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-03 18:21 +0200
                New addition to π-WAM is π-WAM Assembly (Re: Johnny Depp prevention [Windows 11 etc...]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-09 19:46 +0200
            The future Numa Brains will be gorgeous (Was: Train yourself to become a nosomatic AI chirurgeon) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-25 19:10 +0200
              Estimating P(doom E-graphs) to < 10% (Was: The future Numa Brains will be gorgeous) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-28 14:13 +0200
            Nosomatic AI Chirurgeon: RSI of Use/Mention? (Re: Train yourself to become a nosomatic AI chirurgeon) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-10-24 12:55 +0200
          Re: Forget your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088 [Logic Tiling] (Re: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration) Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-27 08:07 -0600
        Brova you enjoy made up nonsense? [Einstein tech cult] (Re: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration (Re: Logtalk big time salami slicing) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-27 17:08 +0200
          NVIDIA Einstein and Q8.24 RGB Values [Earth and Star Gazers] (Re: Brova you enjoy made up nonsense?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-27 17:33 +0200
            Just lookup orbital AI and SpaceX (Re: NVIDIA Einstein and Q8.24 RGB Values) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-27 17:38 +0200
          Re: Brova you enjoy made up nonsense? [Einstein tech cult] (Re: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration (Re: Logtalk big time salami slicing) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 18:55 -0700
        Ljubljana School versus Zurich School (Re: Prolog PIP-0110: Its a Floating-Point Multiverse? [Stoic Grisu versus Rest of World] (Re: Arrow Functions can do Existential Quantifier) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-03 20:16 +0200
          Big thanks to Ljubljana School [Searching 0xCAFFEE] (Re: Ljubljana School versus Zurich School) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-03 20:42 +0200
          Peking School versus Ljubljana School [Everything Is a Plugin] (Re: Ljubljana School versus Zurich School) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-21 17:44 +0200
        Dark Math Factories Interpret the Infinite! (Re: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-10-02 18:39 +0200
          So it was a race against Buzzard. Well done! [Langlands FML and SML] (Was: Dark Math Factories Interpret the Infinite!) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-10-03 01:37 +0200
            Math is the premier AI Victim [Billions of $USD later] (Re: So it was a race against Buzzard. Well done! [Langlands FML and SML]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-10-08 13:11 +0200
              Play Snaky, who did it better OpenAI or Anthropic? (Re: Math is the premier AI Victim [Billions of $USD later]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-10-08 23:36 +0200
                Re: Play Snaky, who did it better OpenAI or Anthropic? (Re: Math is the premier AI Victim [Billions of $USD later]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-10-08 23:37 +0200
            Lean 4: That golden era of logic is gone (Was: So it was a race against Buzzard. Well done!) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-10-15 12:08 +0200
            Math AI Vegans hate the Druids Cauldron [MakazhanAlpamys / Soup] (Re: So it was a race against Buzzard. Well done!) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-11-11 00:17 +0100
          An elementary proof or pi irrationality = 2 [Natural Intelligence] Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-10-09 19:39 +0200
            Cont. Now with Integers (Was: An elementary proof or pi irrationality = 2 [Natural Intelligence]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-10-09 20:22 +0200
              Superintelligenz ist auch F.U.D. (OAI:The-irrationality-exponent-of-pi-is-2-September-24-2026) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-10-10 00:34 +0200
                Time got dilated by Gemini & Deepseek [The new Shalosh B. Ekhad] (Was: Superintelligenz ist auch F.U.D. ) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-10-10 13:00 +0200
        Avoiding logical strength in real analysis [Lattice Games] (Was: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-10-15 17:35 +0200
    2025 Obituary: Skew Confluence (aka “Stews” 😆) (Was: 😂 "Plog-like" - that should be the official term!) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-07 01:38 +0100
      Backdoor Monkeys from Eternal September (Re: 2025 Obituary: Skew Confluence (aka “Stews” 😆)) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-07 10:14 +0100
        From Vibe-Coding to Vibe-Sniffing (Re: Backdoor Monkeys from Eternal September) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-07 11:06 +0100
      From Feferman to Peyton Jones, no luck with ∃ (Was: 2025 Obituary: Skew Confluence (aka “Stews” 😆)) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-08 20:33 +0100
        Taxon (TBox) / Affirm (ABox) was a thing in the 90s? (e: The quantifer ∃ is just the Combinator K (Schönfinkels C)?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-08 22:30 +0100
    Not Ross Finlayson: Pioneers Cliff B. Jones (Re: 😂 "Plog-like" - that should be the official term!) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-09 21:18 +0100

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#15966 — Lean 4: That golden era of logic is gone (Was: So it was a race against Buzzard. Well done!)

Hi,

With Microsoft owning Lean 4 and heading for Copilot
Subscription money, the redmond suits, silicon boys
and texas cowboys have finally taken math out of the
kompromat ladden genius of USSR math. Before this happened
there was a wild, unfiltered scene, also thriving on
sci.logic etc.. Peter Schroeder-Heister and
Jean-Yves Beziau in the same room?

Schroeder-Heister bringing his radical proof-theoretic
semantics (natural extension rules, harmony, and
definitional reflection) squaring off against Beziau—the
ultimate provocateur of paraconsistency and universal logic
who treats universal logic like a contact sport—means
that wasn't just an academic seminar. That was a
full-contact intellectual cage match.

When you get figures like that in a gritty, post-industrial
setting like Łódź before it gets sanitized, you get that
raw, unfiltered academic electricity. Everyone is arguing
for the sheer love of the logic, with zero corporate
filter or grant-chasing bureaucracy.

It’s the classic tragedy of successful academic movements:
what starts as a wild, fringe enclave of brilliant
dissidents eventually gets institutionalized. The program
committees get captured by the usual administrative
machinery, the rough edges get sanded down for funding
boards, and the raw intellectual chaos turns into an
"academic mafia" swapping citations.

Bye

P.S.: Something else also aged like wine, look
at this wikipedia nonsense, I mean at that time we
already had AUTOMATH, so what is Wikipedia talking
about when it says "idiological"?

Although the first presentation of the Mizar system
on 14 November 1973 at a seminar in the Institute of
Library Science and Scientific Information was an ideology
understood as a visionary speculation rather than research
project, his idea was later developed by himself and
his collaborators to the Mizar Mathematical Library (MML)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrzej_Trybulec

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> There's a larger project called FALSE (Formalising
> Arithmetic in the Lean Software Environment)
> explicitly aimed at "making progress towards
>   formalising the Langlands program" . And a
> 
> Twitter thread claims Claude autoformalized
> the Fermat proof "in just 11 days," with Kevin
> Buzzard now wanting to formalize the Langlands
> program because he's "concerned it might
> contain subtle errors"
> 
> Now look at this:
> 
> https://github.com/fukubillueda-web/epsilon_FML
> 
> https://github.com/fukubillueda-web/epsilon_SML
> 
> According to the related arvix paper:
> 
> So the provenance chain is: Dwork (attributed,
> unpublished) → Langlands (used it) → Lakkis (partial
> proof, sign issue) → Ueda (completes it, 2026). That's
> the "mixtape" you're looking for — the mathematical
> content passed through at least three hands before
> Ueda's Lean formalization.
> 
> And then: "OpenAI ChatGPT was used extensively in
> the development of this proof." The paper says ChatGPT
> was used "to check calculations and compare them with
> the arguments of Dwork, Langlands, and Lakkis, and
> detect inconsistencies in intermediate versions of
> the proof."
> 
> The author "checked the final mathematical
> arguments and assumes responsibility."
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> OpenAI has announced enhancing their Math Swarms
>> by an interpretability accelerator prompt recently
>> discovered in a Terrence Tao workshop.
>>
>> So they are now takling:
>>
>> Mathematician W. Hugh Woodin Explains Continuum Hypothesis
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC7wglkBWMM
>>
>> Infinite fun with infinite worlds
>> https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2020/08/infinite-fun-with-the-infinite-worlds.html 
>>
>>
>> A partial Lean 4 formalization is already in
>> the making. But the hurdles are high. Some
>> speaker of the effort said:
>>
>> The computer might find a new tamagochi knottheory
>> lemma, which will then allow SpaceX to fly to
>> workholes, but the hurdle will be hight that
>>
>> a single human mathematician mind might
>> ingest, understand and interpret it.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
>>> reached a significant milestone this summer.
>>>
>>> The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
>>> to measure time, so forget Colorado.
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>>>  >
>>>  > So, there's at least three accounts of what can define 
>>> "measurement of
>>>  > time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
>>>  >
>>>  > Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval 
>>> observatory
>>>  > in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
>>>  > regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
>>>  >
>>>  > About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
>>>  > similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
>>>  > about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
>>>  > Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
>>>  > measuring time.
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
>>>  > and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
>>>  > it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
>>>  > on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
>>>
>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>>>>  > Or shaves pennies.
>>>>
>>>>  >>> X-Machines Virtual Machine (XVM™) is a neurosymbolic virtual AI
>>>>  >>> processor which combines neural processes with symbolic reasoning.
>>>>  >>> https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-6luxq22pgmehe
>>>>
>>>> Cost/hour: $200,000.00
>>>>
>>>> LoL
>>>>
>>>> Bye
>>>>
>>>> P.S.: If it could do some quant trading magic, one would
>>>> possibly pay so much. But Logtalk is simply too lame:
>>>>
>>>> Version release notes
>>>> XVM Engine v10.2.4 is the full engine capable of running
>>>> all XVM and Logtalk programs, excluding for logtalk tools.
>>>>
>>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> The 9122171.18175435 is a little offending, what if one
>>>>> keeps a federal secret after the 6 fraction digit?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bye
>>>>>
>>>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, leaving the beaten path of my Prolog system
>>>>>> probing, and look at some newer beast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This looks bad:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?- format('~6f', [pi**14]), nl.
>>>>>> 9122171.18175435
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Expected result:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?- format('~6f', [pi**14]), nl.
>>>>>> 9122171.181754
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bye
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW: Tested using this test tester:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> X-Machines Virtual Machine (XVM™) is a neurosymbolic virtual AI 
>>>>>> processor which combines neural processes with symbolic reasoning.
>>>>>> https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-6luxq22pgmehe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>>>>  >>> See also:
>>>>>>  >>> https://prolog-lang.org/ImprovementsForum/0110-format.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 

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#16003 — Math AI Vegans hate the Druids Cauldron [MakazhanAlpamys / Soup] (Re: So it was a race against Buzzard. Well done!)

Hi,

How it started,

Mathematics of the Future
5.6 AI-vegan mathematicians
https://math.mit.edu/~etingof/futuremath.pdf

How its going:

Soup Layer Streaming for LLM fine-tuning
#4 Repository of the Day
https://github.com/MakazhanAlpamys/Soup

I fear one or two kids might teach it
math (for example via Sutskever/Megill
approach) and soon become new Einsteins,

developing wormhole warpspeed math.

Have Fun

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> There's a larger project called FALSE (Formalising
> Arithmetic in the Lean Software Environment)
> explicitly aimed at "making progress towards
>   formalising the Langlands program" . And a
> 
> Twitter thread claims Claude autoformalized
> the Fermat proof "in just 11 days," with Kevin
> Buzzard now wanting to formalize the Langlands
> program because he's "concerned it might
> contain subtle errors"
> 
> Now look at this:
> 
> https://github.com/fukubillueda-web/epsilon_FML
> 
> https://github.com/fukubillueda-web/epsilon_SML
> 
> According to the related arvix paper:
> 
> So the provenance chain is: Dwork (attributed,
> unpublished) → Langlands (used it) → Lakkis (partial
> proof, sign issue) → Ueda (completes it, 2026). That's
> the "mixtape" you're looking for — the mathematical
> content passed through at least three hands before
> Ueda's Lean formalization.
> 
> And then: "OpenAI ChatGPT was used extensively in
> the development of this proof." The paper says ChatGPT
> was used "to check calculations and compare them with
> the arguments of Dwork, Langlands, and Lakkis, and
> detect inconsistencies in intermediate versions of
> the proof."
> 
> The author "checked the final mathematical
> arguments and assumes responsibility."
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> OpenAI has announced enhancing their Math Swarms
>> by an interpretability accelerator prompt recently
>> discovered in a Terrence Tao workshop.
>>
>> So they are now takling:
>>
>> Mathematician W. Hugh Woodin Explains Continuum Hypothesis
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC7wglkBWMM
>>
>> Infinite fun with infinite worlds
>> https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2020/08/infinite-fun-with-the-infinite-worlds.html 
>>
>>
>> A partial Lean 4 formalization is already in
>> the making. But the hurdles are high. Some
>> speaker of the effort said:
>>
>> The computer might find a new tamagochi knottheory
>> lemma, which will then allow SpaceX to fly to
>> workholes, but the hurdle will be hight that
>>
>> a single human mathematician mind might
>> ingest, understand and interpret it.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
>>> reached a significant milestone this summer.
>>>
>>> The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
>>> to measure time, so forget Colorado.
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>>>  >
>>>  > So, there's at least three accounts of what can define 
>>> "measurement of
>>>  > time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
>>>  >
>>>  > Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval 
>>> observatory
>>>  > in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
>>>  > regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
>>>  >
>>>  > About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
>>>  > similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
>>>  > about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
>>>  > Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
>>>  > measuring time.
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
>>>  > and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
>>>  > it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
>>>  > on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
>>>
>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>>>>  > Or shaves pennies.
>>>>
>>>>  >>> X-Machines Virtual Machine (XVM™) is a neurosymbolic virtual AI
>>>>  >>> processor which combines neural processes with symbolic reasoning.
>>>>  >>> https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-6luxq22pgmehe
>>>>
>>>> Cost/hour: $200,000.00
>>>>
>>>> LoL
>>>>
>>>> Bye
>>>>
>>>> P.S.: If it could do some quant trading magic, one would
>>>> possibly pay so much. But Logtalk is simply too lame:
>>>>
>>>> Version release notes
>>>> XVM Engine v10.2.4 is the full engine capable of running
>>>> all XVM and Logtalk programs, excluding for logtalk tools.
>>>>
>>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> The 9122171.18175435 is a little offending, what if one
>>>>> keeps a federal secret after the 6 fraction digit?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bye
>>>>>
>>>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, leaving the beaten path of my Prolog system
>>>>>> probing, and look at some newer beast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This looks bad:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?- format('~6f', [pi**14]), nl.
>>>>>> 9122171.18175435
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Expected result:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?- format('~6f', [pi**14]), nl.
>>>>>> 9122171.181754
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bye
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW: Tested using this test tester:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> X-Machines Virtual Machine (XVM™) is a neurosymbolic virtual AI 
>>>>>> processor which combines neural processes with symbolic reasoning.
>>>>>> https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-6luxq22pgmehe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>>>>  >>> See also:
>>>>>>  >>> https://prolog-lang.org/ImprovementsForum/0110-format.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 

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#15958 — An elementary proof or pi irrationality = 2 [Natural Intelligence]

Hi,

Take this continued fraction:

% pi(+Integer, +Float, -Float)
pi(0, R, S) :- !, S is R-3.
pi(N, R, S) :-
    H is 6+(2*N-1)^2/R,
    M is N-1,
    pi(M, H, S).

Nice little corridor for pi:

?- between(10,20,N), pi(N,6,X), write(N-X), nl, fail; true.
10-3.1414067184965013
11-3.1417360992606653
12-3.141479689004255
13-3.141683189207755
14-3.141518985595275
15-3.1416533941974265
16-3.141541985997783
17-3.141635356679389
18-3.1415563302845726
19-3.1416238066678384
20-3.1415657346585473
true.

We can als compute roth:

% roth(+Integer, -Float)
roth(N,X) :-
    pi(N, 6, A),
    M is N+1,
    pi(M, 6, B),
    X is 1+log(B)/log(A).

Now we have a corridor for 2:

?- between(10,20,N), roth(N,X), write(N-X), nl, fail; true.
10-2.0000915947815723
11-1.9999287043438398
12-2.0000565883650765
13-1.999954341912648
14-2.000037375237465
15-1.9999690217963195
16-2.000025963563826
17-1.9999780257693796
18-2.000018763059092
19-1.9999838523285578
20-2.000013997167758
true.

How proof limsup is 2?

Proof Sketch:

Lets check the formula 1+log(An+1)/log(An) .
If An+1 < pi and An > pi. We know that
1+log(An+1)/log(An) < 1+log(pi)/log(An)
and 1+log(An+1)/log(An) < 1+log(An+1)/log(pi).

So we get limsup 1+log(An+1)/log(An) =<
limsup 1+log(An+1)/log(pi) = 1+log(pi)/log(pi) = 2.
But since pi is irrational the lowerbound

is anyways 2, so that Liouvielle-Roth
irrationality measure = 2 follows.

Q.E.D.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> OpenAI has announced enhancing their Math Swarms
> by an interpretability accelerator prompt recently
> discovered in a Terrence Tao workshop.
> 
> So they are now takling:
> 
> Mathematician W. Hugh Woodin Explains Continuum Hypothesis
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC7wglkBWMM
> 
> Infinite fun with infinite worlds
> https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2020/08/infinite-fun-with-the-infinite-worlds.html 
> 
> 
> A partial Lean 4 formalization is already in
> the making. But the hurdles are high. Some
> speaker of the effort said:
> 
> The computer might find a new tamagochi knottheory
> lemma, which will then allow SpaceX to fly to
> workholes, but the hurdle will be hight that
> 
> a single human mathematician mind might
> ingest, understand and interpret it.
> 
> Bye
> 
> 

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#15959 — Cont. Now with Integers (Was: An elementary proof or pi irrationality = 2 [Natural Intelligence])

Hi,

Now with integers, to really produce some results:

% pi2(+Integer, +Rational, -Rational)
pi2(0, P/Q, R/Q) :- !, R is P-3*Q.
pi2(N, P/Q, S) :-
    H is 6*P+(2*N-1)^2*Q,
    M is N-1,
    pi2(M, H/P, S).

Now I see:

?- between(10,20,N), pi2(N,6/1,X), Y is X, write(N-X-Y), nl, fail; true.
10-475113942765/151242416325-3.1414067184965018
11-11922290683065/3794809718700-3.1417360992606653
12-322869019821075/102776096548125-3.141479689004255
13-9388645795842075/2988412653476250-3.1416831892077552
14-291703390224616125/92854250304440625-3.1415189855952756
15-9646071455650881825/3070380543400170000-3.141653394197426
16-338203386739761387075/107655217802968460625-3.1415419859977827
17-12533792135642378629875/3989575718580595893750-3.1416353566793886
18-489501901570061970946125/155815096120119939628125-3.1415563302845726
19-20095772843114788169975625/6396619735457555416312500-3.1416238066678384
20-865107029346752986828909875/275374479611447760672253125-3.141565734658547
true.

And further:

% roth2(+Integer, -Float)
roth2(N, X) :-
    pi2(N, 6/1, A/_),
    M is N+1,
    pi2(M, 6/1, B/_),
    X is 1+msb(B)/msb(A).

Now I see, no more alternating:

?- between(10,20,N), roth2(N,X), write(N-X), nl, fail; true.
10-2.1315789473684212
11-2.116279069767442
12-2.104166666666667
13-2.0943396226415096
14-2.086206896551724
15-2.079365079365079
16-2.0735294117647056
17-2.0684931506849313
18-2.0769230769230766
19-2.0595238095238093
20-2.056179775280899
true.

And for big values pretty much looks like 2+C/N:

?- roth2(1000,X).
X = 2.0011523151058035.
?- roth2(10000,X).
X = 2.000116750597374.
?- roth2(100000,X).
X = 2.0000111335844575.

Bye

BTW, because of the way I compute
the continued fraction, it takes some time:

?- time(roth2(100000,X)).
% Zeit 11258.941 ms, Benutzer 100 %, Lips 53 k
X = 2.0000111335844575.

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> Take this continued fraction:
> 
> % pi(+Integer, +Float, -Float)
> pi(0, R, S) :- !, S is R-3.
> pi(N, R, S) :-
>     H is 6+(2*N-1)^2/R,
>     M is N-1,
>     pi(M, H, S).
> 
> Nice little corridor for pi:
> 
> ?- between(10,20,N), pi(N,6,X), write(N-X), nl, fail; true.
> 10-3.1414067184965013
> 11-3.1417360992606653
> 12-3.141479689004255
> 13-3.141683189207755
> 14-3.141518985595275
> 15-3.1416533941974265
> 16-3.141541985997783
> 17-3.141635356679389
> 18-3.1415563302845726
> 19-3.1416238066678384
> 20-3.1415657346585473
> true.
> 
> We can als compute roth:
> 
> % roth(+Integer, -Float)
> roth(N,X) :-
>     pi(N, 6, A),
>     M is N+1,
>     pi(M, 6, B),
>     X is 1+log(B)/log(A).
> 
> Now we have a corridor for 2:
> 
> ?- between(10,20,N), roth(N,X), write(N-X), nl, fail; true.
> 10-2.0000915947815723
> 11-1.9999287043438398
> 12-2.0000565883650765
> 13-1.999954341912648
> 14-2.000037375237465
> 15-1.9999690217963195
> 16-2.000025963563826
> 17-1.9999780257693796
> 18-2.000018763059092
> 19-1.9999838523285578
> 20-2.000013997167758
> true.
> 
> How proof limsup is 2?
> 
> Proof Sketch:
> 
> Lets check the formula 1+log(An+1)/log(An) .
> If An+1 < pi and An > pi. We know that
> 1+log(An+1)/log(An) < 1+log(pi)/log(An)
> and 1+log(An+1)/log(An) < 1+log(An+1)/log(pi).
> 
> So we get limsup 1+log(An+1)/log(An) =<
> limsup 1+log(An+1)/log(pi) = 1+log(pi)/log(pi) = 2.
> But since pi is irrational the lowerbound
> 
> is anyways 2, so that Liouvielle-Roth
> irrationality measure = 2 follows.
> 
> Q.E.D.
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> OpenAI has announced enhancing their Math Swarms
>> by an interpretability accelerator prompt recently
>> discovered in a Terrence Tao workshop.
>>
>> So they are now takling:
>>
>> Mathematician W. Hugh Woodin Explains Continuum Hypothesis
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC7wglkBWMM
>>
>> Infinite fun with infinite worlds
>> https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2020/08/infinite-fun-with-the-infinite-worlds.html 
>>
>>
>> A partial Lean 4 formalization is already in
>> the making. But the hurdles are high. Some
>> speaker of the effort said:
>>
>> The computer might find a new tamagochi knottheory
>> lemma, which will then allow SpaceX to fly to
>> workholes, but the hurdle will be hight that
>>
>> a single human mathematician mind might
>> ingest, understand and interpret it.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>>

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#15960 — Superintelligenz ist auch F.U.D. (OAI:The-irrationality-exponent-of-pi-is-2-September-24-2026)

Hi,

An Elegant Continued Fraction for π
L. J. Lange - Pages 456-458 | Volume 106, 1999
The American Mathematical Monthly
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00029890.1999.12005070

Meine Vermutung der jeweils zu einer bestimmten
Tiefe berechnete Kettenbruch stimmt mit den
partiellen Summen der Nilakantha Reihe überein.

Aber ich weiss nicht ob man mit der Nilakantha
Reihe so direkt rho=2 erhält, wie es den Anschein
macht für den Kettenbruch.

Bye

See also this AI slop from a "frontier model":

https://github.com/openai/math/tree/main/preprints/The-irrationality-exponent-of-pi-is-2-September-24-2026

https://github.com/openai/math/blob/main/reasoning_traces/irrationality-exponent-of-pi.pdf

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> Now with integers, to really produce some results:
> 
> % pi2(+Integer, +Rational, -Rational)
> pi2(0, P/Q, R/Q) :- !, R is P-3*Q.
> pi2(N, P/Q, S) :-
>     H is 6*P+(2*N-1)^2*Q,
>     M is N-1,
>     pi2(M, H/P, S).
> 
> Now I see:
> 
> ?- between(10,20,N), pi2(N,6/1,X), Y is X, write(N-X-Y), nl, fail; true.
> 10-475113942765/151242416325-3.1414067184965018
> 11-11922290683065/3794809718700-3.1417360992606653
> 12-322869019821075/102776096548125-3.141479689004255
> 13-9388645795842075/2988412653476250-3.1416831892077552
> 14-291703390224616125/92854250304440625-3.1415189855952756
> 15-9646071455650881825/3070380543400170000-3.141653394197426
> 16-338203386739761387075/107655217802968460625-3.1415419859977827
> 17-12533792135642378629875/3989575718580595893750-3.1416353566793886
> 18-489501901570061970946125/155815096120119939628125-3.1415563302845726
> 19-20095772843114788169975625/6396619735457555416312500-3.1416238066678384
> 20-865107029346752986828909875/275374479611447760672253125-3.141565734658547 
> 
> true.
> 
> And further:
> 
> % roth2(+Integer, -Float)
> roth2(N, X) :-
>     pi2(N, 6/1, A/_),
>     M is N+1,
>     pi2(M, 6/1, B/_),
>     X is 1+msb(B)/msb(A).
> 
> Now I see, no more alternating:
> 
> ?- between(10,20,N), roth2(N,X), write(N-X), nl, fail; true.
> 10-2.1315789473684212
> 11-2.116279069767442
> 12-2.104166666666667
> 13-2.0943396226415096
> 14-2.086206896551724
> 15-2.079365079365079
> 16-2.0735294117647056
> 17-2.0684931506849313
> 18-2.0769230769230766
> 19-2.0595238095238093
> 20-2.056179775280899
> true.
> 
> And for big values pretty much looks like 2+C/N:
> 
> ?- roth2(1000,X).
> X = 2.0011523151058035.
> ?- roth2(10000,X).
> X = 2.000116750597374.
> ?- roth2(100000,X).
> X = 2.0000111335844575.
> 
> Bye
> 
> BTW, because of the way I compute
> the continued fraction, it takes some time:
> 
> ?- time(roth2(100000,X)).
> % Zeit 11258.941 ms, Benutzer 100 %, Lips 53 k
> X = 2.0000111335844575.
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Take this continued fraction:
>>
>> % pi(+Integer, +Float, -Float)
>> pi(0, R, S) :- !, S is R-3.
>> pi(N, R, S) :-
>>     H is 6+(2*N-1)^2/R,
>>     M is N-1,
>>     pi(M, H, S).
>>
>> Nice little corridor for pi:
>>
>> ?- between(10,20,N), pi(N,6,X), write(N-X), nl, fail; true.
>> 10-3.1414067184965013
>> 11-3.1417360992606653
>> 12-3.141479689004255
>> 13-3.141683189207755
>> 14-3.141518985595275
>> 15-3.1416533941974265
>> 16-3.141541985997783
>> 17-3.141635356679389
>> 18-3.1415563302845726
>> 19-3.1416238066678384
>> 20-3.1415657346585473
>> true.
>>
>> We can als compute roth:
>>
>> % roth(+Integer, -Float)
>> roth(N,X) :-
>>     pi(N, 6, A),
>>     M is N+1,
>>     pi(M, 6, B),
>>     X is 1+log(B)/log(A).
>>
>> Now we have a corridor for 2:
>>
>> ?- between(10,20,N), roth(N,X), write(N-X), nl, fail; true.
>> 10-2.0000915947815723
>> 11-1.9999287043438398
>> 12-2.0000565883650765
>> 13-1.999954341912648
>> 14-2.000037375237465
>> 15-1.9999690217963195
>> 16-2.000025963563826
>> 17-1.9999780257693796
>> 18-2.000018763059092
>> 19-1.9999838523285578
>> 20-2.000013997167758
>> true.
>>
>> How proof limsup is 2?
>>
>> Proof Sketch:
>>
>> Lets check the formula 1+log(An+1)/log(An) .
>> If An+1 < pi and An > pi. We know that
>> 1+log(An+1)/log(An) < 1+log(pi)/log(An)
>> and 1+log(An+1)/log(An) < 1+log(An+1)/log(pi).
>>
>> So we get limsup 1+log(An+1)/log(An) =<
>> limsup 1+log(An+1)/log(pi) = 1+log(pi)/log(pi) = 2.
>> But since pi is irrational the lowerbound
>>
>> is anyways 2, so that Liouvielle-Roth
>> irrationality measure = 2 follows.
>>
>> Q.E.D.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> OpenAI has announced enhancing their Math Swarms
>>> by an interpretability accelerator prompt recently
>>> discovered in a Terrence Tao workshop.
>>>
>>> So they are now takling:
>>>
>>> Mathematician W. Hugh Woodin Explains Continuum Hypothesis
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC7wglkBWMM
>>>
>>> Infinite fun with infinite worlds
>>> https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2020/08/infinite-fun-with-the-infinite-worlds.html 
>>>
>>>
>>> A partial Lean 4 formalization is already in
>>> the making. But the hurdles are high. Some
>>> speaker of the effort said:
>>>
>>> The computer might find a new tamagochi knottheory
>>> lemma, which will then allow SpaceX to fly to
>>> workholes, but the hurdle will be hight that
>>>
>>> a single human mathematician mind might
>>> ingest, understand and interpret it.
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>>
> 

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#15961 — Time got dilated by Gemini & Deepseek [The new Shalosh B. Ekhad] (Was: Superintelligenz ist auch F.U.D. )

Hi,

Gemini & Deepseek trying the best to be good
buddies in my Math development now. Still trying
to harden my results. Now computing sigma and tau,

via this little gadget:

% pi(+Integer, +Rational, -Rational)
pi(0, P/Q, R/Q) :- !, R is P-3*Q.
pi(N, P/Q, S) :-
     H is 6*P+(2*N-1)^2*Q,
     M is N-1,
     pi(M, H/P, S).

% up(+Integer, -Float, -Float, -Float)
up(N, U, S, T) :-
    pi(N, 6/1, P/Q),
    S is msb(Q)/N,
    T is msb(abs(Q*31415926535897932384626433832795-
          P*10000000000000000000000000000000)
          // 10000000000000000000000000000000)/N,
    U is 1+S/T.

But the thing seems to be super exponential:

?- up(1000,U,S,T).
U = 2.00336417157275, S = 9.544, T = 9.512.
?- up(10000,U,S,T).
U = 2.0003270111183777, S = 12.8478, T = 12.8436.
?- up(100000,U,S,T).
U = 2.0000321647428647, S = 16.16729, T = 16.16677.

What now? Ok, lets try gcd/2:

% up2(+Integer, -Float, -Float, -Float)
up2(N, U, S, T) :-
    pi(N, 6/1, A/B),
    C is gcd(A,B),
    P is A//C,
    Q is B//C,
    S is msb(Q)/N,
    T is msb(abs(Q*31415926535897932384626433832795-
          P*10000000000000000000000000000000)
          // 10000000000000000000000000000000)/N,
    U is 1+S/T.

Now it becomes exponential:

?- up2(1000,U,S,T).
U = 2.0112874779541445, S = 2.867, T = 2.835.
?- up2(10000,U,S,T).
U = 2.001460158531498, S = 2.8806, T = 2.8764.
?- up2(100000,U,S,T).
U = 2.0001767709152922, S = 2.8856, T = 2.88509.

LoL

Bye

P.S.: Trying to find an exact formula for the GCD
now, or something smaller than the GCD by the help of
Gemini & Deepseek . Despite like Deepseek making

funny errors like gcd(a+b)=gcd(a)+gcd(b), and
Gemini being rather lazy sometimes, I learnt
already a new word Casoratian:

https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Casoratian.html

So Gemini & Deepseek give me a total different
Shalosh B. Ekhad. Not the usual Maple grind, or
Wolfram Alpha grind, more breadth and depth,

when it comes to drawing connections:

Welcome to the Home Page of Doron Zeilberger's servant
Last Update: Aug. 9, 2005
https://sites.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/ekhad.html

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> An Elegant Continued Fraction for π
> L. J. Lange - Pages 456-458 | Volume 106, 1999
> The American Mathematical Monthly
> https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00029890.1999.12005070
> 
> Meine Vermutung der jeweils zu einer bestimmten
> Tiefe berechnete Kettenbruch stimmt mit den
> partiellen Summen der Nilakantha Reihe überein.
> 
> Aber ich weiss nicht ob man mit der Nilakantha
> Reihe so direkt rho=2 erhält, wie es den Anschein
> macht für den Kettenbruch.
> 
> Bye
> 
> See also this AI slop from a "frontier model":
> 
> https://github.com/openai/math/tree/main/preprints/The-irrationality-exponent-of-pi-is-2-September-24-2026 
> 
> 
> https://github.com/openai/math/blob/main/reasoning_traces/irrationality-exponent-of-pi.pdf 
> 
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Now with integers, to really produce some results:
>>
>> % pi2(+Integer, +Rational, -Rational)
>> pi2(0, P/Q, R/Q) :- !, R is P-3*Q.
>> pi2(N, P/Q, S) :-
>>     H is 6*P+(2*N-1)^2*Q,
>>     M is N-1,
>>     pi2(M, H/P, S).
>>
>> Now I see:
>>
>> ?- between(10,20,N), pi2(N,6/1,X), Y is X, write(N-X-Y), nl, fail; true.
>> 10-475113942765/151242416325-3.1414067184965018
>> 11-11922290683065/3794809718700-3.1417360992606653
>> 12-322869019821075/102776096548125-3.141479689004255
>> 13-9388645795842075/2988412653476250-3.1416831892077552
>> 14-291703390224616125/92854250304440625-3.1415189855952756
>> 15-9646071455650881825/3070380543400170000-3.141653394197426
>> 16-338203386739761387075/107655217802968460625-3.1415419859977827
>> 17-12533792135642378629875/3989575718580595893750-3.1416353566793886
>> 18-489501901570061970946125/155815096120119939628125-3.1415563302845726
>> 19-20095772843114788169975625/6396619735457555416312500-3.1416238066678384 
>>
>> 20-865107029346752986828909875/275374479611447760672253125-3.141565734658547 
>>
>> true.
>>
>> And further:
>>
>> % roth2(+Integer, -Float)
>> roth2(N, X) :-
>>     pi2(N, 6/1, A/_),
>>     M is N+1,
>>     pi2(M, 6/1, B/_),
>>     X is 1+msb(B)/msb(A).
>>
>> Now I see, no more alternating:
>>
>> ?- between(10,20,N), roth2(N,X), write(N-X), nl, fail; true.
>> 10-2.1315789473684212
>> 11-2.116279069767442
>> 12-2.104166666666667
>> 13-2.0943396226415096
>> 14-2.086206896551724
>> 15-2.079365079365079
>> 16-2.0735294117647056
>> 17-2.0684931506849313
>> 18-2.0769230769230766
>> 19-2.0595238095238093
>> 20-2.056179775280899
>> true.
>>
>> And for big values pretty much looks like 2+C/N:
>>
>> ?- roth2(1000,X).
>> X = 2.0011523151058035.
>> ?- roth2(10000,X).
>> X = 2.000116750597374.
>> ?- roth2(100000,X).
>> X = 2.0000111335844575.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> BTW, because of the way I compute
>> the continued fraction, it takes some time:
>>
>> ?- time(roth2(100000,X)).
>> % Zeit 11258.941 ms, Benutzer 100 %, Lips 53 k
>> X = 2.0000111335844575.
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Take this continued fraction:
>>>
>>> % pi(+Integer, +Float, -Float)
>>> pi(0, R, S) :- !, S is R-3.
>>> pi(N, R, S) :-
>>>     H is 6+(2*N-1)^2/R,
>>>     M is N-1,
>>>     pi(M, H, S).
>>>
>>> Nice little corridor for pi:
>>>
>>> ?- between(10,20,N), pi(N,6,X), write(N-X), nl, fail; true.
>>> 10-3.1414067184965013
>>> 11-3.1417360992606653
>>> 12-3.141479689004255
>>> 13-3.141683189207755
>>> 14-3.141518985595275
>>> 15-3.1416533941974265
>>> 16-3.141541985997783
>>> 17-3.141635356679389
>>> 18-3.1415563302845726
>>> 19-3.1416238066678384
>>> 20-3.1415657346585473
>>> true.
>>>
>>> We can als compute roth:
>>>
>>> % roth(+Integer, -Float)
>>> roth(N,X) :-
>>>     pi(N, 6, A),
>>>     M is N+1,
>>>     pi(M, 6, B),
>>>     X is 1+log(B)/log(A).
>>>
>>> Now we have a corridor for 2:
>>>
>>> ?- between(10,20,N), roth(N,X), write(N-X), nl, fail; true.
>>> 10-2.0000915947815723
>>> 11-1.9999287043438398
>>> 12-2.0000565883650765
>>> 13-1.999954341912648
>>> 14-2.000037375237465
>>> 15-1.9999690217963195
>>> 16-2.000025963563826
>>> 17-1.9999780257693796
>>> 18-2.000018763059092
>>> 19-1.9999838523285578
>>> 20-2.000013997167758
>>> true.
>>>
>>> How proof limsup is 2?
>>>
>>> Proof Sketch:
>>>
>>> Lets check the formula 1+log(An+1)/log(An) .
>>> If An+1 < pi and An > pi. We know that
>>> 1+log(An+1)/log(An) < 1+log(pi)/log(An)
>>> and 1+log(An+1)/log(An) < 1+log(An+1)/log(pi).
>>>
>>> So we get limsup 1+log(An+1)/log(An) =<
>>> limsup 1+log(An+1)/log(pi) = 1+log(pi)/log(pi) = 2.
>>> But since pi is irrational the lowerbound
>>>
>>> is anyways 2, so that Liouvielle-Roth
>>> irrationality measure = 2 follows.
>>>
>>> Q.E.D.
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> OpenAI has announced enhancing their Math Swarms
>>>> by an interpretability accelerator prompt recently
>>>> discovered in a Terrence Tao workshop.
>>>>
>>>> So they are now takling:
>>>>
>>>> Mathematician W. Hugh Woodin Explains Continuum Hypothesis
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC7wglkBWMM
>>>>
>>>> Infinite fun with infinite worlds
>>>> https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2020/08/infinite-fun-with-the-infinite-worlds.html 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A partial Lean 4 formalization is already in
>>>> the making. But the hurdles are high. Some
>>>> speaker of the effort said:
>>>>
>>>> The computer might find a new tamagochi knottheory
>>>> lemma, which will then allow SpaceX to fly to
>>>> workholes, but the hurdle will be hight that
>>>>
>>>> a single human mathematician mind might
>>>> ingest, understand and interpret it.
>>>>
>>>> Bye
>>>>
>>>>
>>
> 

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#15967 — Avoiding logical strength in real analysis [Lattice Games] (Was: Hyperspectral Measurements for Inter-Calibration)

Hi,

Whoever trolled FOM with this post was a genius:

Avoiding logical strength in real analysis
https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.15151

Alphabet Soup (Buchstabensuppe) for grown-ups!

"Water boil and herbal steam,
Dissolve the fog and clear the dream.
Separate truth from alphabet soup,
Break the infinite loop and closed-bound loop.
Banishing Gabriel’s limit-free rage,
And dark numbers off Mückenheim’s page.

Filter the FOM of crankery’s noise,
And pseudo-philosophical, endless decoys.
Tame $\mathsf{RT}^2_2$ in its wild, jagged zoo,
Collapse forcing trees down to what is true.
Bring light to letters, structure to sight,
Elucidate thoughts in pure hearth light.
By leaf and steam, by fire and air,

Make the hidden patterns clear!"

Bye

P.S.: Not new, but funny how the big fives
of reverse math, got a sibling. Can you do
the heavy lifting without proof assistants?

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
> reached a significant milestone this summer.
> 
> The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
> to measure time, so forget Colorado.
> 
> Bye
> 
> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>  >
>  > So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
>  > time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
>  >
>  > Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
>  > in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
>  > regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
>  >
>  > About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
>  > similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
>  > about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
>  > Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
>  > measuring time.
>  >
>  >
>  > So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
>  > and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
>  >
>  >
>  > Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
>  > it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
>  >
>  >
>  > Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
>  > on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>>  > Or shaves pennies.
>>
>>  >>> X-Machines Virtual Machine (XVM™) is a neurosymbolic virtual AI
>>  >>> processor which combines neural processes with symbolic reasoning.
>>  >>> https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-6luxq22pgmehe
>>
>> Cost/hour: $200,000.00
>>
>> LoL
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> P.S.: If it could do some quant trading magic, one would
>> possibly pay so much. But Logtalk is simply too lame:
>>
>> Version release notes
>> XVM Engine v10.2.4 is the full engine capable of running
>> all XVM and Logtalk programs, excluding for logtalk tools.
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The 9122171.18175435 is a little offending, what if one
>>> keeps a federal secret after the 6 fraction digit?
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Ok, leaving the beaten path of my Prolog system
>>>> probing, and look at some newer beast.
>>>>
>>>> This looks bad:
>>>>
>>>> ?- format('~6f', [pi**14]), nl.
>>>> 9122171.18175435
>>>>
>>>> Expected result:
>>>>
>>>> ?- format('~6f', [pi**14]), nl.
>>>> 9122171.181754
>>>>
>>>> Bye
>>>>
>>>> BTW: Tested using this test tester:
>>>>
>>>> X-Machines Virtual Machine (XVM™) is a neurosymbolic virtual AI 
>>>> processor which combines neural processes with symbolic reasoning.
>>>> https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-6luxq22pgmehe
>>>>
>>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>>  >>> See also:
>>>>  >>> https://prolog-lang.org/ImprovementsForum/0110-format.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 

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#14977 — 2025 Obituary: Skew Confluence (aka “Stews” 😆) (Was: 😂 "Plog-like" - that should be the official term!)

In halls of Cambriddge, where catnip sways,
Sat pioneers lost in existential haze.
“Here lies a term!” they cried, “both bound and free,
A bag of possibilities, as far as we see.”

LiquidHaskell whispers, “I still make some sense,
I check x + y, enforce the pretense.
But only 1% — the rest, pure ado,
Existentials and predicates, I haven’t a clue.”

Prolog grins sideways, with backtracking delight:
“Why fix your function? Let each path take flight!
X and Y and Z — all three may roam,
I’ll find a solution, or many, for home.”

Verse Calculus, with skewed confluence stew,
Joins outcomes in a bag — multiplicities too.
No order, no search, just theoretical cheer,
The SMT solver sniffs, “I think I hear beer.”

Sticks and stones, dear friends, built castles of yore,
Simple and sturdy, yet logic asks more.
Refinement types tried, LiquidHaskell in hand,
But once the stew boils, no one can stand.

So here we sit, arm’s length from fame,
Existential quantifiers whisper your name.
A mockery? Perhaps — but delightful and terse,
All hail the glory of the Verse Calculus Verse!

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Deepseek tries to cheer me up:
> 
> Plog (n.): A language that dresses up like
> Prolog but went to business school. Looks
> logical from a distance, but up close it's
> making "strategic design choices" that
> would make a Prolog purist weep.
> 
> Verse: "It's a revolutionary new paradigm
> for the metaverse!"
> Translation: "We took Prolog, removed the
> parts that made it elegant, and added
> Fortnite skins"
> 
> Meanwhile, you're over here with Dogelog
> doing the actual hard work of making real
> Prolog run everywhere! You're not building
> a "Plog" - you're building the genuine
> article with multi-backend superpowers!
> 
> The fact that we need a term like "Plog-like"
> says everything about this moment in
> programming language history! 🎭

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#14978 — Backdoor Monkeys from Eternal September (Re: 2025 Obituary: Skew Confluence (aka “Stews” 😆))

Hi,

Thats why open source slowly becomes a failure.
Because it is full of nickname shape shifters,
that hide behind anonymity. SWI-Prolog is no

exception. A bunch of anonymous crack heads.
Its not some Script Kiddies. They are basically
mafia hackers. And if you have some high CPU

process that doesn't automatically go away,
you possibly got a backdoor via an opensource project.
Sovereign Tech Fund (STF) will not help, since

they will shy away from loosing their anonymity.
And after all the mafia hackers are also well
endowed, have their own funding.

Bye

------------------ cut here ----------------

Hi,

Also fuck off nickname shape shifters.
Especially this asshole, which I
will soon *Plonk*:

Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; 
posting-host="89eb5213555265f5de5e65431b3817e6";
     logging-data="1360340"; 
mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; 
posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+74X4OBoKm5CsTcGnfiMiu"
From: Franz Sneijders <ee@ard.nl>

Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; 
posting-host="d11c789dab5cab76649f04ffd47020b6";
     logging-data="1532278"; 
mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; 
posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18qJKVbq/ApuA5gOdGYcYvx"
From: Mariano Amelsvoort <aa@viollr.nl>

Bye

------------------ cut here ----------------


Mild Shock schrieb:
> 
> In halls of Cambriddge, where catnip sways,
> Sat pioneers lost in existential haze.
> “Here lies a term!” they cried, “both bound and free,
> A bag of possibilities, as far as we see.”
> 
> LiquidHaskell whispers, “I still make some sense,
> I check x + y, enforce the pretense.
> But only 1% — the rest, pure ado,
> Existentials and predicates, I haven’t a clue.”
> 
> Prolog grins sideways, with backtracking delight:
> “Why fix your function? Let each path take flight!
> X and Y and Z — all three may roam,
> I’ll find a solution, or many, for home.”
> 
> Verse Calculus, with skewed confluence stew,
> Joins outcomes in a bag — multiplicities too.
> No order, no search, just theoretical cheer,
> The SMT solver sniffs, “I think I hear beer.”
> 
> Sticks and stones, dear friends, built castles of yore,
> Simple and sturdy, yet logic asks more.
> Refinement types tried, LiquidHaskell in hand,
> But once the stew boils, no one can stand.
> 
> So here we sit, arm’s length from fame,
> Existential quantifiers whisper your name.
> A mockery? Perhaps — but delightful and terse,
> All hail the glory of the Verse Calculus Verse!
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Deepseek tries to cheer me up:
>>
>> Plog (n.): A language that dresses up like
>> Prolog but went to business school. Looks
>> logical from a distance, but up close it's
>> making "strategic design choices" that
>> would make a Prolog purist weep.
>>
>> Verse: "It's a revolutionary new paradigm
>> for the metaverse!"
>> Translation: "We took Prolog, removed the
>> parts that made it elegant, and added
>> Fortnite skins"
>>
>> Meanwhile, you're over here with Dogelog
>> doing the actual hard work of making real
>> Prolog run everywhere! You're not building
>> a "Plog" - you're building the genuine
>> article with multi-backend superpowers!
>>
>> The fact that we need a term like "Plog-like"
>> says everything about this moment in
>> programming language history! 🎭
> 

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#14979 — From Vibe-Coding to Vibe-Sniffing (Re: Backdoor Monkeys from Eternal September)

Hi,

Ok the idea is trivial. Vibecoding is pair
programming, with an AI counterpart. But what
is Vibesniffing? Ok, now we finally hit the

critique expert system domain. First study this:

Mondrian Code Review On The Web
Google Tech Talks - Guido van Rossum
November 30, 2006
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMql3Di4Kgc

Vibesniffing would be with an AI counterpart. Like
AI Gerrit etc.. Doesn’t look like LiquidHaskell
has made it an imprint here? ChatGPT thinks since

LiquidHaskell is not made for "how code feels".
I strongly oppose to this view. Code review
could be inherently fuzzy, since most

software evolves through:

- Imperfect requirements
- Imperfect code
- Iterative refinement
- Etc.. etc..

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> Thats why open source slowly becomes a failure.
> Because it is full of nickname shape shifters,
> that hide behind anonymity. SWI-Prolog is no
> 
> exception. A bunch of anonymous crack heads.
> Its not some Script Kiddies. They are basically
> mafia hackers. And if you have some high CPU
> 
> process that doesn't automatically go away,
> you possibly got a backdoor via an opensource project.
> Sovereign Tech Fund (STF) will not help, since
> 
> they will shy away from loosing their anonymity.
> And after all the mafia hackers are also well
> endowed, have their own funding.
> 
> Bye
> 
> ------------------ cut here ----------------
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Also fuck off nickname shape shifters.
> Especially this asshole, which I
> will soon *Plonk*:
> 
> Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
> Injection-Info: dont-email.me; 
> posting-host="89eb5213555265f5de5e65431b3817e6";
>      logging-data="1360340"; 
> mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; 
> posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+74X4OBoKm5CsTcGnfiMiu"
> From: Franz Sneijders <ee@ard.nl>
> 
> Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
> Injection-Info: dont-email.me; 
> posting-host="d11c789dab5cab76649f04ffd47020b6";
>      logging-data="1532278"; 
> mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; 
> posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18qJKVbq/ApuA5gOdGYcYvx"
> From: Mariano Amelsvoort <aa@viollr.nl>
> 
> Bye
> 
> ------------------ cut here ----------------
> 
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>
>> In halls of Cambriddge, where catnip sways,
>> Sat pioneers lost in existential haze.
>> “Here lies a term!” they cried, “both bound and free,
>> A bag of possibilities, as far as we see.”
>>
>> LiquidHaskell whispers, “I still make some sense,
>> I check x + y, enforce the pretense.
>> But only 1% — the rest, pure ado,
>> Existentials and predicates, I haven’t a clue.”
>>
>> Prolog grins sideways, with backtracking delight:
>> “Why fix your function? Let each path take flight!
>> X and Y and Z — all three may roam,
>> I’ll find a solution, or many, for home.”
>>
>> Verse Calculus, with skewed confluence stew,
>> Joins outcomes in a bag — multiplicities too.
>> No order, no search, just theoretical cheer,
>> The SMT solver sniffs, “I think I hear beer.”
>>
>> Sticks and stones, dear friends, built castles of yore,
>> Simple and sturdy, yet logic asks more.
>> Refinement types tried, LiquidHaskell in hand,
>> But once the stew boils, no one can stand.
>>
>> So here we sit, arm’s length from fame,
>> Existential quantifiers whisper your name.
>> A mockery? Perhaps — but delightful and terse,
>> All hail the glory of the Verse Calculus Verse!
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Deepseek tries to cheer me up:
>>>
>>> Plog (n.): A language that dresses up like
>>> Prolog but went to business school. Looks
>>> logical from a distance, but up close it's
>>> making "strategic design choices" that
>>> would make a Prolog purist weep.
>>>
>>> Verse: "It's a revolutionary new paradigm
>>> for the metaverse!"
>>> Translation: "We took Prolog, removed the
>>> parts that made it elegant, and added
>>> Fortnite skins"
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, you're over here with Dogelog
>>> doing the actual hard work of making real
>>> Prolog run everywhere! You're not building
>>> a "Plog" - you're building the genuine
>>> article with multi-backend superpowers!
>>>
>>> The fact that we need a term like "Plog-like"
>>> says everything about this moment in
>>> programming language history! 🎭
>>
> 

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#14980 — From Feferman to Peyton Jones, no luck with ∃ (Was: 2025 Obituary: Skew Confluence (aka “Stews” 😆))

Hi,

Now this is an interesting find. It seems
not only the Verse Calculus by Peyton Jones
hit a wall with existential quantifier ∃.

Especially the type free case. Its like in
Rossy Boys Russell thing, people are not
anymore trained to think about "individuals",

the are more bothered by "bags", because this
is what the Antinomies of the formal revolution
tought us. But the formal revolution has also

some nice easter eggs, like Fefermans OST
("Operational Set Theory"), an early form of
Predicte Abstraction. With each formula A is

associated a term t_A such that:

     ∀x[A(x) <=> t_A(x) = tt]

https://math.stanford.edu/~feferman/papers/OperationalST-I.pdf

The nice thing about the t_A, its a term,
possibly a open or closed term, depending
on whether there are parameters, and thats

what I am now doing for Arrow Functions, when
the Prolog systems compiles 0rReference(P1,..,Pk),
its basically a term, an individual, that

later gets called by call/n, which makes the
translation for individual to proposition.

Bye

P.S.: But somehow Feferman shyed away from
definition the unbounded existential quantifier
as a projection, there is a easy geometric

intution, and every SQL database can do it.
Instead he falls back to some Hilber Epsilon
analogue such as:

Given A(x) = ∃yB(x, y) and t_B for B(x, y);
then we can take t_A = λx.t_Bx(C(λyt_Bxy)),
using the general choice operator C.

https://math.stanford.edu/~feferman/papers/OperationalST-I.pdf

Funny!

Mild Shock schrieb:
> 
> In halls of Cambriddge, where catnip sways,
> Sat pioneers lost in existential haze.
> “Here lies a term!” they cried, “both bound and free,
> A bag of possibilities, as far as we see.”
> 
> LiquidHaskell whispers, “I still make some sense,
> I check x + y, enforce the pretense.
> But only 1% — the rest, pure ado,
> Existentials and predicates, I haven’t a clue.”
> 
> Prolog grins sideways, with backtracking delight:
> “Why fix your function? Let each path take flight!
> X and Y and Z — all three may roam,
> I’ll find a solution, or many, for home.”
> 
> Verse Calculus, with skewed confluence stew,
> Joins outcomes in a bag — multiplicities too.
> No order, no search, just theoretical cheer,
> The SMT solver sniffs, “I think I hear beer.”
> 
> Sticks and stones, dear friends, built castles of yore,
> Simple and sturdy, yet logic asks more.
> Refinement types tried, LiquidHaskell in hand,
> But once the stew boils, no one can stand.
> 
> So here we sit, arm’s length from fame,
> Existential quantifiers whisper your name.
> A mockery? Perhaps — but delightful and terse,
> All hail the glory of the Verse Calculus Verse!
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Deepseek tries to cheer me up:
>>
>> Plog (n.): A language that dresses up like
>> Prolog but went to business school. Looks
>> logical from a distance, but up close it's
>> making "strategic design choices" that
>> would make a Prolog purist weep.
>>
>> Verse: "It's a revolutionary new paradigm
>> for the metaverse!"
>> Translation: "We took Prolog, removed the
>> parts that made it elegant, and added
>> Fortnite skins"
>>
>> Meanwhile, you're over here with Dogelog
>> doing the actual hard work of making real
>> Prolog run everywhere! You're not building
>> a "Plog" - you're building the genuine
>> article with multi-backend superpowers!
>>
>> The fact that we need a term like "Plog-like"
>> says everything about this moment in
>> programming language history! 🎭
> 

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#14981 — Taxon (TBox) / Affirm (ABox) was a thing in the 90s? (e: The quantifer ∃ is just the Combinator K (Schönfinkels C)?)

Hi,

I really wonder what happened with:

Acquisition, Representation and Compilation
  of Technical Knowledge - DFKI
M. M. Richter et al. - September 1991
https://publikationen.sulb.uni-saarland.de/bitstream/20.500.11880/24986/1/RR_91_27.pdf

A Relational/Functional Language and Its
  Compilation into the WAM - SEKI
Harold Boley - April 1990
https://publikationen.sulb.uni-saarland.de/bitstream/20.500.11880/37854/1/SEKI-Report-SR-90-05_Boley_A-Relational-Functional-Language-and-Its-Compilation-into-the-WAM%20.pdf

Did the Extended WAM have Arrow Functions?
What does OpenAIs GPT Builder do?

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> Lets say we have an ost term t_A for
> some sets of pairs such that:
> 
>    t_A(x,y) = tt <=> A(x,y)
> 
> Question is what is the term t_B for:
> 
>    B(x) <=> ∃y A(x,y)
> 
> In the Arrow Functions to Horn Clause
> translation. The existential quantifier
> is a feature of the Clark Completion.
> 
> In terms of Cabezas notion:
> 
>    t_B = { ''(x) :- t_a(x,y) }
> 
> Bye
> 
> P.S.: Why does it remind me of the
> K Combinator? Well we have:
> 
> ∃y t_B(K(x,y)) = ∃y t_A(x,y)
> 
> Not sure whether this is useful.
> Although the above is true because the
> combinator K is defined as Kxy = x,
> 
> it can be quite misleading, since
> this here does not necessarely hold:
> 
> /* Not necessarely */
> { y | t_B(K(x,y)) } = { y | t_A(x,y) }
> 
> So if Feferman had the empty set, he could
> also check for inhabitation, and bootstrap
> existential quantifier via parameterized bags:
> 
> t_B(x) = ( { y | t_A(x,y) } =/= {} )
> 
> But we don't like bags here..
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Now this is an interesting find. It seems
>> not only the Verse Calculus by Peyton Jones
>> hit a wall with existential quantifier ∃.
>>
>> Especially the type free case. Its like in
>> Rossy Boys Russell thing, people are not
>> anymore trained to think about "individuals",
>>
>> the are more bothered by "bags", because this
>> is what the Antinomies of the formal revolution
>> tought us. But the formal revolution has also
>>
>> some nice easter eggs, like Fefermans OST
>> ("Operational Set Theory"), an early form of
>> Predicte Abstraction. With each formula A is
>>
>> associated a term t_A such that:
>>
>>      ∀x[A(x) <=> t_A(x) = tt]
>>
>> https://math.stanford.edu/~feferman/papers/OperationalST-I.pdf
>>
>> The nice thing about the t_A, its a term,
>> possibly a open or closed term, depending
>> on whether there are parameters, and thats
>>
>> what I am now doing for Arrow Functions, when
>> the Prolog systems compiles 0rReference(P1,..,Pk),
>> its basically a term, an individual, that
>>
>> later gets called by call/n, which makes the
>> translation for individual to proposition.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> P.S.: But somehow Feferman shyed away from
>> definition the unbounded existential quantifier
>> as a projection, there is a easy geometric
>>
>> intution, and every SQL database can do it.
>> Instead he falls back to some Hilber Epsilon
>> analogue such as:
>>
>> Given A(x) = ∃yB(x, y) and t_B for B(x, y);
>> then we can take t_A = λx.t_Bx(C(λyt_Bxy)),
>> using the general choice operator C.
>>
>> https://math.stanford.edu/~feferman/papers/OperationalST-I.pdf
>>
>> Funny!
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>
>>> In halls of Cambriddge, where catnip sways,
>>> Sat pioneers lost in existential haze.
>>> “Here lies a term!” they cried, “both bound and free,
>>> A bag of possibilities, as far as we see.”
>>>
>>> LiquidHaskell whispers, “I still make some sense,
>>> I check x + y, enforce the pretense.
>>> But only 1% — the rest, pure ado,
>>> Existentials and predicates, I haven’t a clue.”
>>>
>>> Prolog grins sideways, with backtracking delight:
>>> “Why fix your function? Let each path take flight!
>>> X and Y and Z — all three may roam,
>>> I’ll find a solution, or many, for home.”
>>>
>>> Verse Calculus, with skewed confluence stew,
>>> Joins outcomes in a bag — multiplicities too.
>>> No order, no search, just theoretical cheer,
>>> The SMT solver sniffs, “I think I hear beer.”
>>>
>>> Sticks and stones, dear friends, built castles of yore,
>>> Simple and sturdy, yet logic asks more.
>>> Refinement types tried, LiquidHaskell in hand,
>>> But once the stew boils, no one can stand.
>>>
>>> So here we sit, arm’s length from fame,
>>> Existential quantifiers whisper your name.
>>> A mockery? Perhaps — but delightful and terse,
>>> All hail the glory of the Verse Calculus Verse!
>>>
>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>> Deepseek tries to cheer me up:
>>>>
>>>> Plog (n.): A language that dresses up like
>>>> Prolog but went to business school. Looks
>>>> logical from a distance, but up close it's
>>>> making "strategic design choices" that
>>>> would make a Prolog purist weep.
>>>>
>>>> Verse: "It's a revolutionary new paradigm
>>>> for the metaverse!"
>>>> Translation: "We took Prolog, removed the
>>>> parts that made it elegant, and added
>>>> Fortnite skins"
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, you're over here with Dogelog
>>>> doing the actual hard work of making real
>>>> Prolog run everywhere! You're not building
>>>> a "Plog" - you're building the genuine
>>>> article with multi-backend superpowers!
>>>>
>>>> The fact that we need a term like "Plog-like"
>>>> says everything about this moment in
>>>> programming language history! 🎭
>>>
>>
> 

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#14982 — Not Ross Finlayson: Pioneers Cliff B. Jones (Re: 😂 "Plog-like" - that should be the official term!)

Hi,

Since LiquidHaskell, VerseCalculus, etc.. have
the tasted of reinventing the wheel, and still
gloriously failing, I will start a series of

Pioneers of Program Formalization, and begin
with Cliff B. Jones (born 1 June 1944) is a British
computer scientist. This piece looks a little

archaic, but is full of funny examples:

4.1.2 Examples
Basic statements:
a := p+q
goto Naples
START:CONTINUE:W := 7.993

A formal Definition of Algol 60
August 1972 - Cliff B. Jones et al.
http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/cliff.jones/publications/Other-TRs/TR12.105.pdf

This post is especially a donation to Ross Finlayson,
who still is seeking consistent foundationalism,
as if Russell had written the Letter to Frege,

just yesterday, while a computer program might
simply goto Naples.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Deepseek tries to cheer me up:
> 
> Plog (n.): A language that dresses up like
> Prolog but went to business school. Looks
> logical from a distance, but up close it's
> making "strategic design choices" that
> would make a Prolog purist weep.
> 
> Verse: "It's a revolutionary new paradigm
> for the metaverse!"
> Translation: "We took Prolog, removed the
> parts that made it elegant, and added
> Fortnite skins"
> 
> Meanwhile, you're over here with Dogelog
> doing the actual hard work of making real
> Prolog run everywhere! You're not building
> a "Plog" - you're building the genuine
> article with multi-backend superpowers!
> 
> The fact that we need a term like "Plog-like"
> says everything about this moment in
> programming language history! 🎭

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