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  mouse movement detection? richard <member@newsguy.com> - 2011-05-10 09:57 -0700
    Re: mouse movement detection? Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2011-05-10 21:11 +0200
      Re: mouse movement detection? richard <member@newsguy.com> - 2011-05-10 12:23 -0700
        Re: mouse movement detection? "P E Schoen" <paul@pstech-inc.com> - 2011-05-10 15:42 -0400
          Re: mouse movement detection? richard <member@newsguy.com> - 2011-05-10 13:56 -0700
            Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-10 21:15 +0000
        Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-10 19:40 +0000
          Re: mouse movement detection? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-05-10 15:10 -0500
            Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-10 23:52 +0200
              Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-10 20:03 -0400
                Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-11 10:49 +0200
                  Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-11 06:39 -0400
                    Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-11 14:24 +0200
                      Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-11 11:25 -0400
                Re: mouse movement detection? Sherm Pendley <sherm.pendley@gmail.com> - 2011-05-11 11:36 -0400
                  Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-11 12:30 -0400
              Re: mouse movement detection? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-05-10 20:24 -0500
                Re: mouse movement detection? Erwin Moller <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@spamyourself.com> - 2011-05-11 08:16 +0200
                Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-11 11:02 +0200
    Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-11 13:18 +1000
      Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-11 04:00 +0000
        Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-11 11:11 +0200
          Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-11 16:57 +0000
            Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-11 22:42 +0200
        Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-11 23:34 +1000
          Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-11 16:53 +0000
            Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-12 12:26 +1000
              Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-12 04:35 +0000
                Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-12 16:09 +1000
                  Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-12 06:52 -0400
                    Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-13 06:48 +1000
                  Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-12 16:12 +0000
                    Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-13 07:36 +1000
                      Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-12 22:05 +0000
                        Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-13 10:14 +1000
                          Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-13 00:56 +0000
                            Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-13 20:34 +1000
                              Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-13 15:36 +0000
                                Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-14 10:01 +1000
                                  Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-14 03:51 +0000
                                    Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-14 15:00 +1000
                                      Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-14 06:00 +0000
                        Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-15 13:35 +0200
                          Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-15 16:41 +0000
                            Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-15 13:00 -0400
                              Re: mouse movement detection? "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> - 2011-05-17 11:37 -0400
                                Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-17 12:34 -0400
                            Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-16 00:36 +0200
                              Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-16 02:07 +0000
                                Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-17 22:33 +0200
                                  Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-17 20:52 +0000
                                    Re: mouse movement detection? "P E Schoen" <paul@pstech-inc.com> - 2011-05-18 08:10 -0400
                                      Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-18 15:20 +0000
                          Re: mouse movement detection? dougatmilmacdotcom@example.com (Doug Miller) - 2011-05-16 12:00 +0000
    Re: mouse movement detection? Sherm Pendley <sherm.pendley@gmail.com> - 2011-05-11 11:33 -0400

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#1500

Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2011 09:57:16 -0700, in comp.lang.php richard
> <member@newsguy.com>
> <5jmrvpnl392w$.dlg@evanplatt.sux> wrote:
> 
>>| Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of
>>| detecting mouse movement.
>>| I had left a website page open all night and in the morning found I had
>>| been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle for 10
>>| minutes.
>>| I have a hunch that it was probably due more to nothing happening on the
>>| page for a couple of hours.
> 
> 
> It could be javascript and timers or the page header has a refresh
> setting <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="600"> 

Can't be done with just an HTML refresh.


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#1509

jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

> Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> richard wrote:
>>>| Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of
>>>| detecting mouse movement.
>>>| I had left a website page open all night and in the morning found I had
>>>| been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle for
>>>| 10 minutes.
>>>| I have a hunch that it was probably due more to nothing happening on
>>>| the page for a couple of hours.
>> 
>> It could be javascript and timers or the page header has a refresh
>> setting <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="600">
> 
> Can't be done with just an HTML refresh.

Yes, it can, but like client-side scripting it is not guaranteed to work.

Do you have permission to use sux.com?


PointedEars
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positively harmful for cross-browser scripting.
 -- Richard Cornford, cljs, <cife6q$253$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk> (2004)

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#1532

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>> Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>> richard wrote:
>>>>| Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of
>>>>| detecting mouse movement.
>>>>| I had left a website page open all night and in the morning found I had
>>>>| been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle for
>>>>| 10 minutes.
>>>>| I have a hunch that it was probably due more to nothing happening on
>>>>| the page for a couple of hours.
>>> 
>>> It could be javascript and timers or the page header has a refresh
>>> setting <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="600">
>> 
>> Can't be done with just an HTML refresh.
> 
> Yes, it can, but like client-side scripting it is not guaranteed to work.

OK then, tell us what HTML tag will tell you whether or not the mouse has
moved.

Doing it in javascript is rather trivial.


> Do you have permission to use sux.com?

Permission to do what exactly?


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#1533

jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>> richard wrote:
>>>>>| Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method
>>>>>| of detecting mouse movement.
>>>>>| I had left a website page open all night and in the morning found I
>>>>>| had been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle
>>>>>| for 10 minutes.
>>>>>| I have a hunch that it was probably due more to nothing happening on
>>>>>| the page for a couple of hours.
>>>> It could be javascript and timers or the page header has a refresh
>>>> setting <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="600">
>>> Can't be done with just an HTML refresh.
>> Yes, it can, but like client-side scripting it is not guaranteed to work.
> 
> OK then, tell us what HTML tag will tell you whether or not the mouse has
> moved.

That is beside the point.  As accurate as "richard"'s problem descriptions 
usually go, chances are it did not say that their "mouse had been idle", but 
that *they* had been idle, i.e. they had not navigated anywhere on that 
site.  You can deal with this condition with a META-refresh, although as I 
said it is not reliable.

> Doing it in javascript is rather trivial.

There is no "javascript".  In any ECMAScript implementation, it cannot be 
done reliably either, partially because one usually cannot determine pointer 
movements beyond the browser viewport.
 
>> Do you have permission to use sux.com?
> 
> Permission to do what exactly?

To specify a mailbox at one of their sub-level domains.


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#1518

On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:00:09 -0000, in comp.lang.php
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
<97ep98-c2m.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:

>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>| > On Tue, 10 May 2011 09:57:16 -0700, in comp.lang.php richard
>| > <member@newsguy.com>
>| > <5jmrvpnl392w$.dlg@evanplatt.sux> wrote:
>| > 
>| >>| Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of
>| >>| detecting mouse movement.
>| >>| I had left a website page open all night and in the morning found I had
>| >>| been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle for 10
>| >>| minutes.
>| >>| I have a hunch that it was probably due more to nothing happening on the
>| >>| page for a couple of hours.
>| > 
>| > 
>| > It could be javascript and timers or the page header has a refresh
>| > setting <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="600"> 
>| 
>| Can't be done with just an HTML refresh.

True. You would need to define which page to direct to:
<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2;url=refresh1.htm"> 

Works with FF4 (although FF complains), IE9, Opera, Safari.

This is an old technique for page refreshes before the days of AJAX.

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#1531

Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:00:09 -0000, in comp.lang.php
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
> <97ep98-c2m.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
> 
>>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>| > On Tue, 10 May 2011 09:57:16 -0700, in comp.lang.php richard
>>| > <member@newsguy.com>
>>| > <5jmrvpnl392w$.dlg@evanplatt.sux> wrote:
>>| > 
>>| >>| Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of
>>| >>| detecting mouse movement.
>>| >>| I had left a website page open all night and in the morning found I had
>>| >>| been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle for 10
>>| >>| minutes.
>>| >>| I have a hunch that it was probably due more to nothing happening on the
>>| >>| page for a couple of hours.
>>| > 
>>| > 
>>| > It could be javascript and timers or the page header has a refresh
>>| > setting <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="600"> 
>>| 
>>| Can't be done with just an HTML refresh.
> 
> True. You would need to define which page to direct to:
> <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2;url=refresh1.htm"> 
> 
> Works with FF4 (although FF complains), IE9, Opera, Safari.
> 
> This is an old technique for page refreshes before the days of AJAX.

I'm not sure what your point is.

Of course you can make a page refresh itself with HTML.

But what you can not do with HTML is tell if the mouse has moved or not.

Only client side scripting can do that.


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#1542

On Wed, 11 May 2011 16:53:54 -0000, in comp.lang.php
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
<2irq98-6k2.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:

>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>| > On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:00:09 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>| > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>| > <97ep98-c2m.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
>| > 
>| >>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>| >>| > On Tue, 10 May 2011 09:57:16 -0700, in comp.lang.php richard
>| >>| > <member@newsguy.com>
>| >>| > <5jmrvpnl392w$.dlg@evanplatt.sux> wrote:
>| >>| > 
>| >>| >>| Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of
>| >>| >>| detecting mouse movement.
>| >>| >>| I had left a website page open all night and in the morning found I had
>| >>| >>| been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle for 10
>| >>| >>| minutes.
>| >>| >>| I have a hunch that it was probably due more to nothing happening on the
>| >>| >>| page for a couple of hours.
>| >>| > 
>| >>| > 
>| >>| > It could be javascript and timers or the page header has a refresh
>| >>| > setting <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="600"> 
>| >>| 
>| >>| Can't be done with just an HTML refresh.
>| > 
>| > True. You would need to define which page to direct to:
>| > <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2;url=refresh1.htm"> 
>| > 
>| > Works with FF4 (although FF complains), IE9, Opera, Safari.
>| > 
>| > This is an old technique for page refreshes before the days of AJAX.
>| 
>| I'm not sure what your point is.
>| 
>| Of course you can make a page refresh itself with HTML.
>| 
>| But what you can not do with HTML is tell if the mouse has moved or not.
>| 
>| Only client side scripting can do that.

It is not whether the mouse has moved but whether or not the page has
been sitting idle for too long.
For example, you may have a form and a session cookie that times out
in 20 minutes. If you haven't successfully submitted the form within
the allotted time then the cookie expires and you will need to log in
again.

Re-reading the OP I think that the statement was a red-herring, maybe
an over simplification of the session timeout. This can easily be
proven by disabling Javascript then waiting 10 minutes - then see what
happens. If nothing happens than it is probably Javascript looking at
mouse movement. If the page does redirect then it is probably the meta
refresh in action.

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#1544

Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2011 16:53:54 -0000, in comp.lang.php
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
> <2irq98-6k2.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
> 
>>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>| > On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:00:09 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>>| > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>| > <97ep98-c2m.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
>>| > 
>>| >>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>| >>| > On Tue, 10 May 2011 09:57:16 -0700, in comp.lang.php richard
>>| >>| > <member@newsguy.com>
>>| >>| > <5jmrvpnl392w$.dlg@evanplatt.sux> wrote:
>>| >>| > 
>>| >>| >>| Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of
>>| >>| >>| detecting mouse movement.
>>| >>| >>| I had left a website page open all night and in the morning found I had
>>| >>| >>| been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle for 10
>>| >>| >>| minutes.
>>| >>| >>| I have a hunch that it was probably due more to nothing happening on the
>>| >>| >>| page for a couple of hours.
>>| >>| > 
>>| >>| > 
>>| >>| > It could be javascript and timers or the page header has a refresh
>>| >>| > setting <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="600"> 
>>| >>| 
>>| >>| Can't be done with just an HTML refresh.
>>| > 
>>| > True. You would need to define which page to direct to:
>>| > <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2;url=refresh1.htm"> 
>>| > 
>>| > Works with FF4 (although FF complains), IE9, Opera, Safari.
>>| > 
>>| > This is an old technique for page refreshes before the days of AJAX.
>>| 
>>| I'm not sure what your point is.
>>| 
>>| Of course you can make a page refresh itself with HTML.
>>| 
>>| But what you can not do with HTML is tell if the mouse has moved or not.
>>| 
>>| Only client side scripting can do that.
> 
> It is not whether the mouse has moved but whether or not the page has
> been sitting idle for too long.
> For example, you may have a form and a session cookie that times out
> in 20 minutes. If you haven't successfully submitted the form within
> the allotted time then the cookie expires and you will need to log in
> again.
> 
> Re-reading the OP I think that the statement was a red-herring, maybe
> an over simplification of the session timeout. This can easily be
> proven by disabling Javascript then waiting 10 minutes - then see what
> happens. If nothing happens than it is probably Javascript looking at
> mouse movement. If the page does redirect then it is probably the meta
> refresh in action.

If you read all the posts, you will see that he posted a link to the site
in question.

I accessed the site with Firebug turned on and watched all the javascript
download and the timers reset as I moved the mouse.

So, for the site in question:

Yes, it uses javascript.

Yes, it uses javascript timers to see if there is any mouse movement.

And no, you can not do that with just HTML.


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#1546

On Thu, 12 May 2011 04:35:51 -0000, in comp.lang.php
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
<7m4s98-8i8.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:

>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>| > On Wed, 11 May 2011 16:53:54 -0000, in comp.lang.php

[snip]
 
>| If you read all the posts, you will see that he posted a link to the site
>| in question.

Not all posts come through and NO I did not get that posting.
 
>| I accessed the site with Firebug turned on and watched all the javascript
>| download and the timers reset as I moved the mouse.

Lucky you.

>| So, for the site in question:
>| 
>| Yes, it uses javascript.
>| 
>| Yes, it uses javascript timers to see if there is any mouse movement.

Well if the OP doesn't want to have the page refresh then all they
need do is disable Javascript.

>| And no, you can not do that with just HTML.

The point is that you don't need Javascript at all to do the refresh.

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#1549

On 5/12/2011 2:09 AM, Jeff North wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2011 04:35:51 -0000, in comp.lang.php
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
> <7m4s98-8i8.ln1@mail.specsol.com>  wrote:
>
>> | Jeff North<jnorthau@yahoo.com.au>  wrote:
>> |>  On Wed, 11 May 2011 16:53:54 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>
> [snip]
>
>> | If you read all the posts, you will see that he posted a link to the site
>> | in question.
>
> Not all posts come through and NO I did not get that posting.
>
>> | I accessed the site with Firebug turned on and watched all the javascript
>> | download and the timers reset as I moved the mouse.
>
> Lucky you.
>

You need to get a better news host then.

>> | So, for the site in question:
>> |
>> | Yes, it uses javascript.
>> |
>> | Yes, it uses javascript timers to see if there is any mouse movement.
>
> Well if the OP doesn't want to have the page refresh then all they
> need do is disable Javascript.
>
>> | And no, you can not do that with just HTML.
>
> The point is that you don't need Javascript at all to do the refresh.

The question was not about refreshing.  It was about detecting mouse 
movement - like the subject says.

Let's see you do it in just html.

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#1557

On Thu, 12 May 2011 06:52:13 -0400, in comp.lang.php Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex@attglobal.net>
<iqge4u$aa3$1@dont-email.me> wrote:

>| On 5/12/2011 2:09 AM, Jeff North wrote:
>| > On Thu, 12 May 2011 04:35:51 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>| > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>| > <7m4s98-8i8.ln1@mail.specsol.com>  wrote:
>| >
>| >> | Jeff North<jnorthau@yahoo.com.au>  wrote:
>| >> |>  On Wed, 11 May 2011 16:53:54 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>| >
>| > [snip]
>| >
>| >> | If you read all the posts, you will see that he posted a link to the site
>| >> | in question.
>| >
>| > Not all posts come through and NO I did not get that posting.
>| >
>| >> | I accessed the site with Firebug turned on and watched all the javascript
>| >> | download and the timers reset as I moved the mouse.
>| >
>| > Lucky you.
>| >
>| 
>| You need to get a better news host then.

It picks up all your crap postings.

>| 
>| >> | So, for the site in question:
>| >> |
>| >> | Yes, it uses javascript.
>| >> |
>| >> | Yes, it uses javascript timers to see if there is any mouse movement.
>| >
>| > Well if the OP doesn't want to have the page refresh then all they
>| > need do is disable Javascript.
>| >
>| >> | And no, you can not do that with just HTML.
>| >
>| > The point is that you don't need Javascript at all to do the refresh.
>| 
>| The question was not about refreshing.  It was about detecting mouse 
>| movement - like the subject says.
>| 
>| Let's see you do it in just html.

Please show me where I have stated that html could detect mouse
movement.

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#1554

Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2011 04:35:51 -0000, in comp.lang.php
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
> <7m4s98-8i8.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
> 
>>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>| > On Wed, 11 May 2011 16:53:54 -0000, in comp.lang.php
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>| If you read all the posts, you will see that he posted a link to the site
>>| in question.
> 
> Not all posts come through and NO I did not get that posting.
> 
>>| I accessed the site with Firebug turned on and watched all the javascript
>>| download and the timers reset as I moved the mouse.
> 
> Lucky you.

Or knowing what I am doing me with a javascript debugger installed in my
web browser.

>>| So, for the site in question:
>>| 
>>| Yes, it uses javascript.
>>| 
>>| Yes, it uses javascript timers to see if there is any mouse movement.
> 
> Well if the OP doesn't want to have the page refresh then all they
> need do is disable Javascript.
> 
>>| And no, you can not do that with just HTML.
> 
> The point is that you don't need Javascript at all to do the refresh.

Depends on what you mean by "refresh".

If by "refresh" you mean some amount of time has passed and you have neither
clicked anything on the page nor navigated away from the page, yes you can
do that in HTML.

I've said that several times now.

The part you keep ignoring is the issue of mouse movement and the only
way you can detect mouse movement is client side scripting, which means
javascript.



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#1558

On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:12:19 -0000, in comp.lang.php
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
<3gdt98-u0e.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:

>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>| > On Thu, 12 May 2011 04:35:51 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>| > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>| > <7m4s98-8i8.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
>| > 
>| >>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>| >>| > On Wed, 11 May 2011 16:53:54 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>| > 
>| > [snip]
>| > 
>| >>| If you read all the posts, you will see that he posted a link to the site
>| >>| in question.
>| > 
>| > Not all posts come through and NO I did not get that posting.
>| > 
>| >>| I accessed the site with Firebug turned on and watched all the javascript
>| >>| download and the timers reset as I moved the mouse.
>| > 
>| > Lucky you.
>| 
>| Or knowing what I am doing me with a javascript debugger installed in my
>| web browser.

I'm impressed - not.

>| >>| So, for the site in question:
>| >>| 
>| >>| Yes, it uses javascript.
>| >>| 
>| >>| Yes, it uses javascript timers to see if there is any mouse movement.
>| > 
>| > Well if the OP doesn't want to have the page refresh then all they
>| > need do is disable Javascript.
>| > 
>| >>| And no, you can not do that with just HTML.
>| > 
>| > The point is that you don't need Javascript at all to do the refresh.
>| 
>| Depends on what you mean by "refresh".

Oh here we go - playing the semantics game.

>| If by "refresh" you mean some amount of time has passed and you have neither
>| clicked anything on the page nor navigated away from the page

The former is refresh, the later is redirect (to be semantically
correct).

>| , yes you can do that in HTML.
>|
>| I've said that several times now.
>| 
>| The part you keep ignoring is the issue of mouse movement and the only
>| way you can detect mouse movement is client side scripting, 

The part you can't seem to grasp is that I am highlighting that there
is an alternative method of doing a page refresh/redirect *without*
the need for a scripting language (which may or may not be disabled /
unknown to the browser).

>| which means javascript.

To be semantically correct - there is also the non-standard VBScript
or the much lesser known language TCL
(http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-script-970314 circa 1998).

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#1559

Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:12:19 -0000, in comp.lang.php
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
> <3gdt98-u0e.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
> 
>>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>| > On Thu, 12 May 2011 04:35:51 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>>| > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>| > <7m4s98-8i8.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
>>| > 
>>| >>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>| >>| > On Wed, 11 May 2011 16:53:54 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>>| > 
>>| > [snip]
>>| > 
>>| >>| If you read all the posts, you will see that he posted a link to the site
>>| >>| in question.
>>| > 
>>| > Not all posts come through and NO I did not get that posting.
>>| > 
>>| >>| I accessed the site with Firebug turned on and watched all the javascript
>>| >>| download and the timers reset as I moved the mouse.
>>| > 
>>| > Lucky you.
>>| 
>>| Or knowing what I am doing me with a javascript debugger installed in my
>>| web browser.
> 
> I'm impressed - not.

Who cares?

>>| >>| So, for the site in question:
>>| >>| 
>>| >>| Yes, it uses javascript.
>>| >>| 
>>| >>| Yes, it uses javascript timers to see if there is any mouse movement.
>>| > 
>>| > Well if the OP doesn't want to have the page refresh then all they
>>| > need do is disable Javascript.
>>| > 
>>| >>| And no, you can not do that with just HTML.
>>| > 
>>| > The point is that you don't need Javascript at all to do the refresh.
>>| 
>>| Depends on what you mean by "refresh".
> 
> Oh here we go - playing the semantics game.
> 
>>| If by "refresh" you mean some amount of time has passed and you have neither
>>| clicked anything on the page nor navigated away from the page
> 
> The former is refresh, the later is redirect (to be semantically
> correct).

There is no former or latter; it is one set of conditions with an "and"
and a "nor" in there, i.e. if (A AND NOT B AND NOT C).

So, is <meta http-equiv="refresh"  to the exact same page a "refresh" or
a "redirect" semantically speaking?


>>| , yes you can do that in HTML.
>>|
>>| I've said that several times now.
>>| 
>>| The part you keep ignoring is the issue of mouse movement and the only
>>| way you can detect mouse movement is client side scripting, 
> 
> The part you can't seem to grasp is that I am highlighting that there
> is an alternative method of doing a page refresh/redirect *without*
> the need for a scripting language (which may or may not be disabled /
> unknown to the browser).

The part you can't seem to grasp is that the subject of the post is 
mouse movement detection, not "page refresh/redirect".

>>| which means javascript.
> 
> To be semantically correct - there is also the non-standard VBScript
> or the much lesser known language TCL
> (http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-script-970314 circa 1998).

If I add "for all practical purposes" between the words "means" and
"javascript" would that make you happy?

I originally was going to do that but left it out thinking no one could
be that anal retentive.



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#1562

On Thu, 12 May 2011 22:05:38 -0000, in comp.lang.php
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
<i62u98-utj.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:

>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>| > On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:12:19 -0000, in comp.lang.php

[snip]

>| So, is <meta http-equiv="refresh"  to the exact same page a "refresh" or
>| a "redirect" semantically speaking?

Neither - your statement is syntactically incorrect.
http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/meta.http-equiv.refresh.html
If you look at the above web site it will teach you the correct markup
required and answer your question.

>| >>| , yes you can do that in HTML.
>| >>|
>| >>| I've said that several times now.
>| >>| 
>| >>| The part you keep ignoring is the issue of mouse movement and the only
>| >>| way you can detect mouse movement is client side scripting, 
>| > 
>| > The part you can't seem to grasp is that I am highlighting that there
>| > is an alternative method of doing a page refresh/redirect *without*
>| > the need for a scripting language (which may or may not be disabled /
>| > unknown to the browser).
>| 
>| The part you can't seem to grasp is that the subject of the post is 
>| mouse movement detection, not "page refresh/redirect".

Did you miss this part of the OP posting? 
"I had left a web site page open all night and in the morning found I
had been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle
for 10 minutes."
 
>| >>| which means javascript.
>| > 
>| > To be semantically correct - there is also the non-standard VBScript
>| > or the much lesser known language TCL
>| > (http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-script-970314 circa 1998).
>| 
>| If I add "for all practical purposes" between the words "means" and
>| "javascript" would that make you happy?
>| 
>| I originally was going to do that but left it out thinking no one could
>| be that anal retentive.

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#1563

Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2011 22:05:38 -0000, in comp.lang.php
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
> <i62u98-utj.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
> 
>>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>| > On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:12:19 -0000, in comp.lang.php
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>| So, is <meta http-equiv="refresh"  to the exact same page a "refresh" or
>>| a "redirect" semantically speaking?
> 
> Neither - your statement is syntactically incorrect.

So what is "syntactically incorrect" as it is obviously an incomplete 
example of a meta refresh tag?

Did I mispell "meta" or "refresh"?

> http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/meta.http-equiv.refresh.html
> If you look at the above web site it will teach you the correct markup
> required and answer your question.
> 
>>| >>| , yes you can do that in HTML.
>>| >>|
>>| >>| I've said that several times now.
>>| >>| 
>>| >>| The part you keep ignoring is the issue of mouse movement and the only
>>| >>| way you can detect mouse movement is client side scripting, 
>>| > 
>>| > The part you can't seem to grasp is that I am highlighting that there
>>| > is an alternative method of doing a page refresh/redirect *without*
>>| > the need for a scripting language (which may or may not be disabled /
>>| > unknown to the browser).
>>| 
>>| The part you can't seem to grasp is that the subject of the post is 
>>| mouse movement detection, not "page refresh/redirect".
> 
> Did you miss this part of the OP posting? 
> "I had left a web site page open all night and in the morning found I
> had been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle
> for 10 minutes."

Nope, nor did I miss the sentence immediately before it:

"Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of
detecting mouse movement."

To summarize, the Subject of the post is "mouse movement detection".

The first sentence of the post expicitly asks about "a method of  detecting
mouse movement".

It would seem to be pretty clear that the thing of interest to the poster
is "mouse movement detection".



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#1565

On Fri, 13 May 2011 00:56:59 -0000, in comp.lang.php
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
<r7cu98-98l.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:

>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>| > On Thu, 12 May 2011 22:05:38 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>| > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>| > <i62u98-utj.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
>| > 
>| >>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>| >>| > On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:12:19 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>| > 
>| > [snip]
>| > 
>| >>| So, is <meta http-equiv="refresh"  to the exact same page a "refresh" or
>| >>| a "redirect" semantically speaking?
>| > 
>| > Neither - your statement is syntactically incorrect.
>| 
>| So what is "syntactically incorrect" as it is obviously an incomplete 
>| example of a meta refresh tag?
>| 
>| Did I mispell "meta" or "refresh"?

If you understood the tag and its attributes you wouldn't have asked
such an inane question.
 
>| > http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/meta.http-equiv.refresh.html
>| > If you look at the above web site it will teach you the correct markup
>| > required and answer your question.
>| > 
>| >>| >>| , yes you can do that in HTML.
>| >>| >>|
>| >>| >>| I've said that several times now.
>| >>| >>| 
>| >>| >>| The part you keep ignoring is the issue of mouse movement and the only
>| >>| >>| way you can detect mouse movement is client side scripting, 
>| >>| > 
>| >>| > The part you can't seem to grasp is that I am highlighting that there
>| >>| > is an alternative method of doing a page refresh/redirect *without*
>| >>| > the need for a scripting language (which may or may not be disabled /
>| >>| > unknown to the browser).
>| >>| 
>| >>| The part you can't seem to grasp is that the subject of the post is 
>| >>| mouse movement detection, not "page refresh/redirect".
>| > 
>| > Did you miss this part of the OP posting? 
>| > "I had left a web site page open all night and in the morning found I
>| > had been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle
>| > for 10 minutes."
>| 
>| Nope, nor did I miss the sentence immediately before it:
>| 
>| "Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of
>| detecting mouse movement."
>| 
>| To summarize, the Subject of the post is "mouse movement detection".
>| 
>| The first sentence of the post expicitly asks about "a method of  detecting
>| mouse movement".
>| 
>| It would seem to be pretty clear that the thing of interest to the poster
>| is "mouse movement detection".

In that case, the message is completely off-topic in a PHP group and
should be treated as such.

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#1574

Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 May 2011 00:56:59 -0000, in comp.lang.php
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
> <r7cu98-98l.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
> 
>>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>| > On Thu, 12 May 2011 22:05:38 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>>| > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>| > <i62u98-utj.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
>>| > 
>>| >>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>| >>| > On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:12:19 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>>| > 
>>| > [snip]
>>| > 
>>| >>| So, is <meta http-equiv="refresh"  to the exact same page a "refresh" or
>>| >>| a "redirect" semantically speaking?
>>| > 
>>| > Neither - your statement is syntactically incorrect.
>>| 
>>| So what is "syntactically incorrect" as it is obviously an incomplete 
>>| example of a meta refresh tag?
>>| 
>>| Did I mispell "meta" or "refresh"?
> 
> If you understood the tag and its attributes you wouldn't have asked
> such an inane question.

Blithering nonsense.

It is common practice when providing an example of something to just quote
the relevent part, which in this case is the meta tag up to the refresh
attribute.

I repeat, what is "syntactically incorrect" as you claim for the example
fragment?

>>| > http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/meta.http-equiv.refresh.html
>>| > If you look at the above web site it will teach you the correct markup
>>| > required and answer your question.
>>| > 
>>| >>| >>| , yes you can do that in HTML.
>>| >>| >>|
>>| >>| >>| I've said that several times now.
>>| >>| >>| 
>>| >>| >>| The part you keep ignoring is the issue of mouse movement and the only
>>| >>| >>| way you can detect mouse movement is client side scripting, 
>>| >>| > 
>>| >>| > The part you can't seem to grasp is that I am highlighting that there
>>| >>| > is an alternative method of doing a page refresh/redirect *without*
>>| >>| > the need for a scripting language (which may or may not be disabled /
>>| >>| > unknown to the browser).
>>| >>| 
>>| >>| The part you can't seem to grasp is that the subject of the post is 
>>| >>| mouse movement detection, not "page refresh/redirect".
>>| > 
>>| > Did you miss this part of the OP posting? 
>>| > "I had left a web site page open all night and in the morning found I
>>| > had been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle
>>| > for 10 minutes."
>>| 
>>| Nope, nor did I miss the sentence immediately before it:
>>| 
>>| "Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of
>>| detecting mouse movement."
>>| 
>>| To summarize, the Subject of the post is "mouse movement detection".
>>| 
>>| The first sentence of the post expicitly asks about "a method of  detecting
>>| mouse movement".
>>| 
>>| It would seem to be pretty clear that the thing of interest to the poster
>>| is "mouse movement detection".
> 
> In that case, the message is completely off-topic in a PHP group and
> should be treated as such.

Perhaps you should learn to read as the very first sentence asks the quite
clear multipart question "... if PHP, or other script language ..." which
makes the post about the capability of PHP.


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#1583

On Fri, 13 May 2011 15:36:55 -0000, in comp.lang.php
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
<npvv98-m7s.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:

>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>| > On Fri, 13 May 2011 00:56:59 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>| > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>| > <r7cu98-98l.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
>| > 
>| >>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>| >>| > On Thu, 12 May 2011 22:05:38 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>| >>| > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>| >>| > <i62u98-utj.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
>| >>| > 
>| >>| >>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>| >>| >>| > On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:12:19 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>| >>| > 
>| >>| > [snip]
>| >>| > 
>| >>| >>| So, is <meta http-equiv="refresh"  to the exact same page a "refresh" or
>| >>| >>| a "redirect" semantically speaking?
>| >>| > 
>| >>| > Neither - your statement is syntactically incorrect.
>| >>| 
>| >>| So what is "syntactically incorrect" as it is obviously an incomplete 
>| >>| example of a meta refresh tag?
>| >>| 
>| >>| Did I mispell "meta" or "refresh"?
>| > 
>| > If you understood the tag and its attributes you wouldn't have asked
>| > such an inane question.
>| 
>| Blithering nonsense.
>| 
>| It is common practice when providing an example of something to just quote
>| the relevent part, which in this case is the meta tag up to the refresh
>| attribute.

If you understood the tag and it's attributes then you would have
quoted the entire tag when asking the question "So, is <meta
http-equiv="refresh"  to the exact same page a "refresh" or
"redirect" semantically speaking?"

<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2"> would "reload the current
page" or do a page refresh.

<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2;url=page1.html"> would "load a
different page" or redirect.

Now can you see why your original question could not be answered?

>| I repeat, what is "syntactically incorrect" as you claim for the example
>| fragment?
>| 
>| >>| > http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/meta.http-equiv.refresh.html
>| >>| > If you look at the above web site it will teach you the correct markup
>| >>| > required and answer your question.
>| >>| > 
>| >>| >>| >>| , yes you can do that in HTML.
>| >>| >>| >>|
>| >>| >>| >>| I've said that several times now.
>| >>| >>| >>| 
>| >>| >>| >>| The part you keep ignoring is the issue of mouse movement and the only
>| >>| >>| >>| way you can detect mouse movement is client side scripting, 
>| >>| >>| > 
>| >>| >>| > The part you can't seem to grasp is that I am highlighting that there
>| >>| >>| > is an alternative method of doing a page refresh/redirect *without*
>| >>| >>| > the need for a scripting language (which may or may not be disabled /
>| >>| >>| > unknown to the browser).
>| >>| >>| 
>| >>| >>| The part you can't seem to grasp is that the subject of the post is 
>| >>| >>| mouse movement detection, not "page refresh/redirect".
>| >>| > 
>| >>| > Did you miss this part of the OP posting? 
>| >>| > "I had left a web site page open all night and in the morning found I
>| >>| > had been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle
>| >>| > for 10 minutes."
>| >>| 
>| >>| Nope, nor did I miss the sentence immediately before it:
>| >>| 
>| >>| "Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of
>| >>| detecting mouse movement."
>| >>| 
>| >>| To summarize, the Subject of the post is "mouse movement detection".
>| >>| 
>| >>| The first sentence of the post expicitly asks about "a method of  detecting
>| >>| mouse movement".
>| >>| 
>| >>| It would seem to be pretty clear that the thing of interest to the poster
>| >>| is "mouse movement detection".
>| > 
>| > In that case, the message is completely off-topic in a PHP group and
>| > should be treated as such.
>| 
>| Perhaps you should learn to read as the very first sentence asks the quite
>| clear multipart question "... if PHP, or other script language ..." which
>| makes the post about the capability of PHP.

Are you saying the PHP can be used to detect mouse movement on a web
page?

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#1585

Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 May 2011 15:36:55 -0000, in comp.lang.php
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
> <npvv98-m7s.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:

<snip steaming piles of crap>


>>| Perhaps you should learn to read as the very first sentence asks the quite
>>| clear multipart question "... if PHP, or other script language ..." which
>>| makes the post about the capability of PHP.
> 
> Are you saying the PHP can be used to detect mouse movement on a web
> page?

No, you babbling twit, I'm saying the question of whether or not PHP can
detect mouse movement is a valid question for a PHP group.


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