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Re: mouse movement detection?

From jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Newsgroups comp.lang.php
Subject Re: mouse movement detection?
Date 2011-05-12 04:35 +0000
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Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2011 16:53:54 -0000, in comp.lang.php
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
> <2irq98-6k2.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
> 
>>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>| > On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:00:09 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>>| > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>| > <97ep98-c2m.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
>>| > 
>>| >>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>| >>| > On Tue, 10 May 2011 09:57:16 -0700, in comp.lang.php richard
>>| >>| > <member@newsguy.com>
>>| >>| > <5jmrvpnl392w$.dlg@evanplatt.sux> wrote:
>>| >>| > 
>>| >>| >>| Just curious to know if PHP, or other script language, has a method of
>>| >>| >>| detecting mouse movement.
>>| >>| >>| I had left a website page open all night and in the morning found I had
>>| >>| >>| been transferred to another page that said my mouse had been idle for 10
>>| >>| >>| minutes.
>>| >>| >>| I have a hunch that it was probably due more to nothing happening on the
>>| >>| >>| page for a couple of hours.
>>| >>| > 
>>| >>| > 
>>| >>| > It could be javascript and timers or the page header has a refresh
>>| >>| > setting <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="600"> 
>>| >>| 
>>| >>| Can't be done with just an HTML refresh.
>>| > 
>>| > True. You would need to define which page to direct to:
>>| > <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2;url=refresh1.htm"> 
>>| > 
>>| > Works with FF4 (although FF complains), IE9, Opera, Safari.
>>| > 
>>| > This is an old technique for page refreshes before the days of AJAX.
>>| 
>>| I'm not sure what your point is.
>>| 
>>| Of course you can make a page refresh itself with HTML.
>>| 
>>| But what you can not do with HTML is tell if the mouse has moved or not.
>>| 
>>| Only client side scripting can do that.
> 
> It is not whether the mouse has moved but whether or not the page has
> been sitting idle for too long.
> For example, you may have a form and a session cookie that times out
> in 20 minutes. If you haven't successfully submitted the form within
> the allotted time then the cookie expires and you will need to log in
> again.
> 
> Re-reading the OP I think that the statement was a red-herring, maybe
> an over simplification of the session timeout. This can easily be
> proven by disabling Javascript then waiting 10 minutes - then see what
> happens. If nothing happens than it is probably Javascript looking at
> mouse movement. If the page does redirect then it is probably the meta
> refresh in action.

If you read all the posts, you will see that he posted a link to the site
in question.

I accessed the site with Firebug turned on and watched all the javascript
download and the timers reset as I moved the mouse.

So, for the site in question:

Yes, it uses javascript.

Yes, it uses javascript timers to see if there is any mouse movement.

And no, you can not do that with just HTML.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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mouse movement detection? richard <member@newsguy.com> - 2011-05-10 09:57 -0700
  Re: mouse movement detection? Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2011-05-10 21:11 +0200
    Re: mouse movement detection? richard <member@newsguy.com> - 2011-05-10 12:23 -0700
      Re: mouse movement detection? "P E Schoen" <paul@pstech-inc.com> - 2011-05-10 15:42 -0400
        Re: mouse movement detection? richard <member@newsguy.com> - 2011-05-10 13:56 -0700
          Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-10 21:15 +0000
      Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-10 19:40 +0000
        Re: mouse movement detection? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-05-10 15:10 -0500
          Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-10 23:52 +0200
            Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-10 20:03 -0400
              Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-11 10:49 +0200
                Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-11 06:39 -0400
                Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-11 14:24 +0200
                Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-11 11:25 -0400
              Re: mouse movement detection? Sherm Pendley <sherm.pendley@gmail.com> - 2011-05-11 11:36 -0400
                Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-11 12:30 -0400
            Re: mouse movement detection? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-05-10 20:24 -0500
              Re: mouse movement detection? Erwin Moller <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@spamyourself.com> - 2011-05-11 08:16 +0200
              Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-11 11:02 +0200
  Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-11 13:18 +1000
    Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-11 04:00 +0000
      Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-11 11:11 +0200
        Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-11 16:57 +0000
          Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-11 22:42 +0200
      Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-11 23:34 +1000
        Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-11 16:53 +0000
          Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-12 12:26 +1000
            Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-12 04:35 +0000
              Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-12 16:09 +1000
                Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-12 06:52 -0400
                Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-13 06:48 +1000
                Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-12 16:12 +0000
                Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-13 07:36 +1000
                Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-12 22:05 +0000
                Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-13 10:14 +1000
                Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-13 00:56 +0000
                Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-13 20:34 +1000
                Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-13 15:36 +0000
                Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-14 10:01 +1000
                Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-14 03:51 +0000
                Re: mouse movement detection? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-05-14 15:00 +1000
                Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-14 06:00 +0000
                Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-15 13:35 +0200
                Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-15 16:41 +0000
                Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-15 13:00 -0400
                Re: mouse movement detection? "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> - 2011-05-17 11:37 -0400
                Re: mouse movement detection? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2011-05-17 12:34 -0400
                Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-16 00:36 +0200
                Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-16 02:07 +0000
                Re: mouse movement detection? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-05-17 22:33 +0200
                Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-17 20:52 +0000
                Re: mouse movement detection? "P E Schoen" <paul@pstech-inc.com> - 2011-05-18 08:10 -0400
                Re: mouse movement detection? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2011-05-18 15:20 +0000
                Re: mouse movement detection? dougatmilmacdotcom@example.com (Doug Miller) - 2011-05-16 12:00 +0000
  Re: mouse movement detection? Sherm Pendley <sherm.pendley@gmail.com> - 2011-05-11 11:33 -0400

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