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Re: mouse movement detection?

From jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Newsgroups comp.lang.php
Subject Re: mouse movement detection?
Date 2011-05-12 22:05 +0000
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Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:12:19 -0000, in comp.lang.php
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
> <3gdt98-u0e.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
> 
>>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>| > On Thu, 12 May 2011 04:35:51 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>>| > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>| > <7m4s98-8i8.ln1@mail.specsol.com> wrote:
>>| > 
>>| >>| Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>| >>| > On Wed, 11 May 2011 16:53:54 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>>| > 
>>| > [snip]
>>| > 
>>| >>| If you read all the posts, you will see that he posted a link to the site
>>| >>| in question.
>>| > 
>>| > Not all posts come through and NO I did not get that posting.
>>| > 
>>| >>| I accessed the site with Firebug turned on and watched all the javascript
>>| >>| download and the timers reset as I moved the mouse.
>>| > 
>>| > Lucky you.
>>| 
>>| Or knowing what I am doing me with a javascript debugger installed in my
>>| web browser.
> 
> I'm impressed - not.

Who cares?

>>| >>| So, for the site in question:
>>| >>| 
>>| >>| Yes, it uses javascript.
>>| >>| 
>>| >>| Yes, it uses javascript timers to see if there is any mouse movement.
>>| > 
>>| > Well if the OP doesn't want to have the page refresh then all they
>>| > need do is disable Javascript.
>>| > 
>>| >>| And no, you can not do that with just HTML.
>>| > 
>>| > The point is that you don't need Javascript at all to do the refresh.
>>| 
>>| Depends on what you mean by "refresh".
> 
> Oh here we go - playing the semantics game.
> 
>>| If by "refresh" you mean some amount of time has passed and you have neither
>>| clicked anything on the page nor navigated away from the page
> 
> The former is refresh, the later is redirect (to be semantically
> correct).

There is no former or latter; it is one set of conditions with an "and"
and a "nor" in there, i.e. if (A AND NOT B AND NOT C).

So, is <meta http-equiv="refresh"  to the exact same page a "refresh" or
a "redirect" semantically speaking?


>>| , yes you can do that in HTML.
>>|
>>| I've said that several times now.
>>| 
>>| The part you keep ignoring is the issue of mouse movement and the only
>>| way you can detect mouse movement is client side scripting, 
> 
> The part you can't seem to grasp is that I am highlighting that there
> is an alternative method of doing a page refresh/redirect *without*
> the need for a scripting language (which may or may not be disabled /
> unknown to the browser).

The part you can't seem to grasp is that the subject of the post is 
mouse movement detection, not "page refresh/redirect".

>>| which means javascript.
> 
> To be semantically correct - there is also the non-standard VBScript
> or the much lesser known language TCL
> (http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-script-970314 circa 1998).

If I add "for all practical purposes" between the words "means" and
"javascript" would that make you happy?

I originally was going to do that but left it out thinking no one could
be that anal retentive.



-- 
Jim Pennino

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